Slashdot Mirror


Chinese Bloggers Stage Hoax

Carl Bialik from WSJ writes "It seemed like the latest instance of a recurring story: Two Chinese blogs had shut down, apparently the victim of government censorship. 'Within hours, English-language bloggers and Western news media spread the word that the Chinese government had closed the sites,' the Wall Street Journal reports. The BBC spread the word, and its report was picked up by the French free-press group Reporters Without Borders. 'But in this case, it appears the Chinese government wasn't involved, the WSJ reports. 'By Thursday, a day after the shut-downs, the blogs were back up and running. In an interview, Beijing-based journalist Wang Xiaofeng of Massage Milk says he shut his blog down to make a point about freedom of speech -- just one directed at the West instead of at Beijing. He calls the Western press "irresponsible" and says that the hoax was designed "to give foreign media a lesson that Chinese affairs are not always the way you think." ' The BBC later corrected its story."

15 of 437 comments (clear)

  1. Boys who cried wolf by ktappe · · Score: 5, Insightful
    When the Chinese government eventually DOES shut them down, I hope they don't expect much coverage in the Western media.

    -Kurt

    --
    "We can categorically state we have not released man-eating badgers into the area." - UK military spokesman, July 2007
    1. Re:Boys who cried wolf by GoMMiX · · Score: 5, Interesting

      And on the other-hand, how do we know the Chinese government didn't force them to say that?!?!

      *adjusts tinfoil hat*

    2. Re:Boys who cried wolf by CRC'99 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      When the Chinese government eventually DOES shut them down, I hope they don't expect much coverage in the Western media.

      But it also makes you wonder if reporters these days actually have reliable sources - and if they even bother to verify them. I'm tipping this is a classic example of a big "NO" on both accounts.

      I wonder how much other news is in this catagory?

      --
      Sendmail is like emacs: A nice operating system, but missing an editor and a MTA.
    3. Re:Boys who cried wolf by sethaw · · Score: 5, Insightful

      When the Chinese government eventually DOES shut them down, I hope they don't expect much coverage in the Western media.

      They didn't cry wolf. According to the article, the web page only said

      "Due to unavoidable reasons with which everyone is familiar, this blog is temporarily closed."

      Crying wolf would be for them to post a message saying the Chinese government shut them down. According to the article, it was the BBC who did a bad job of journalism of blaming the Chinese government without actually asking anyone of the circumstances of the shutdown. He had a very good point in that "They are not just supposed to report based on their own perceptions". They should be reporting based on facts. The BBC had a knee jerk reaction just as the blogger suspected they would.

    4. Re:Boys who cried wolf by FooBarWidget · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'll probably get modded down because 99% of the Slashdotters are anti-Chinese, but someone has to say it.

      Your kind of posts is exactly what they're talking about. There is absolutely no strong evidence that the Chinese government is behind it. But even then, you're already speculating that the government is involved even when they say the government isn't. Your "they're guilty until proven innocent" is exactly the irresponsible behavior they mean.

      Yes I'm Chinese. My parents are Chinese. I was born in China. And no we don't live in China.
      Yet I still think all the mud throwing at the Chinese government is rediculous. Everybody here's making it sound like China is a hell in which you will be executed if you try to pronounce the 'd' of 'democracy'. China is not North Korea. While I think the Chinese government should be more open, they're not the Big Bad Stalinist Communist Overlords everybody claims they are.

      My dad - yes yes he does NOT live in China - has an even stronger opinion than I have. He firmly believes that people are getting paid by the US government to bash the Chinese government. When the Chinese government does something, everybody yells 'OMG those communist bastards are 3v1l!!!'. But when the US government does something, almost nobody says a word.

      Again, just to argue with you conspiracy theorists: NO we don't live in China. The Chinese government isn't forcing me to write this. I live in Europe.

    5. Re:Boys who cried wolf by Tackhead · · Score: 5, Funny
      > And on the other-hand, how do we know the Chinese government didn't force them to say that?!?!
      > *adjusts tinfoil hat*

      And on the third hand, how do we know they weren't working for the Chinese government all along, as part of a psyops plan to discredit Chinese bloggers who oppose the government?

      *adjusts tinfoil hat with fourth hand and requests immediate beamout; the humans are onto me for some reason!*

    6. Re:Boys who cried wolf by IAmTheDave · · Score: 5, Insightful
      everybody yells 'OMG those communist bastards are 3v1l!!!'.

      With all due respect, communism is not high on the chart of things that get the benefit of the doubt. Even if the government did not shut down this particular blog, we know from hard evidence that Yahoo! has participated in identifying online dissidents as have other for-profit companies. We know from hard facts that the Chineese government does censor its web content, searches, and traffic, and we do know from hard evidence that they have shut down blogs and sites in the past.

      So while I'll give you that news agencies should really do some fact checking before picking up the latest blog chatter and reporting it as real news... It's not that far fetched that the Chinese government would be up to some of their pretty old, tried, and true techniques of squelching any information not explicitly approved for public consumption.

      --
      Excuse my speling.
      Making The Bar Project
    7. Re:Boys who cried wolf by bombadier_beetle · · Score: 5, Funny

      But when the US government does something, almost nobody says a word.

      You must be new here.

      --

      If you mod me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.
    8. Re:Boys who cried wolf by Wescotte · · Score: 5, Funny

      My dad - yes yes he does NOT live in China - has an even stronger opinion than I have. He firmly believes that people are getting paid by the US government to bash the Chinese government. When the Chinese government does something, everybody yells 'OMG those communist bastards are 3v1l!!!'. But when the US government does something, almost nobody says a word.

      If he ever finds the agency paying these people to bash China (or any country) tell him to let me know.. Not that I have anything against China I just could use the money.

      Thanks
      Eric

    9. Re:Boys who cried wolf by Quinn · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm against any and all censorship. However, I must interject a possible non-sequitur: Falun Gong is a rung away from Scientology on the crazy ladder to spiritual enlightenment.

      --
      #19845
    10. Re:Boys who cried wolf by xnot · · Score: 5, Insightful
      It's not that far fetched that the Chinese government would be up to some of their pretty old, tried, and true techniques of squelching any information not explicitly approved for public consumption.

      Or, you could choose to hear and understand the argument being made that people immediately jump to conclusions as far as the Chinese government is concerned, and that doing so is irresponsible. The awareness of that point was the purpose of the action, and the message that is supposed to be taken from it. What the Chinese government did in the past or what they may do in the future is irrelvant to the purpose of the story.

      The re-iteration of your viewpoint, regardless of facts which have nothing to do with it, brings up an interesting memory of mine. There's an important idea I learned while studying the history of science in collage.

      ALL scientific truths go through exactly three phases.

      1. They are ridiculed
      2. They are violently opposed
      3. They are accepted as self-evident.

      I find this applies to almost everything people believe. We reach some point where we accept certain things as being set in stone. Then what happens is we refuse to accept any new information which disrupts what we believe. The unfortunately thing in doing so is we waste years applying the wrong information, when such a struggle was unnecessary.

      Teach yourself to be able to accept evidence which may contradict your current viewpoint, no matter how strongly you believe in it. The world is full of polarity. Just because there is evidence to the contrary of what you believe doesn't mean you have to change your belief. But be open to doing so if the evidence should prove overwhelming.

      Getting back to the current issue, the point to take is that automatically damning ANYTHING is a bad idea. Don't accuse people of evil before they actually do it. As the US should have learned from the post 9/11 hell-hole that is Iraq, demonizing people just makes them hate you more. It doesn't solve any problem.

    11. Re:Boys who cried wolf by Lord_Pain · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Let me start off by saying that I am Chinese. Let me further clarify that I am a Nationalist Chinese.

      So I have no problem believing that the Communist government of China would force anyone into saying something. I also have no trouble believing that this group and this farce was supported by the State.

      All the hubbub is not mudslinging. It's fact. Ask a Tibetian about how benign this government is. Ask the Heroes of Tiananmen Square Democracy movement how distressing it is that the State is getting a bad rap.

      And your point about evil government: Yes, the Communist government of China is systematically evil. The Democratic government of the USA is far from perfect and has had a checkered past. But the bottom line the US's past behavior does not lessen the crimes commited against millions by the Communist government of China.

      --
      -- What's this '-r *' file doing here? -- Oh well, a simple 'rm' should do the trick.
  2. The Western Press Ins't Perfect by FreeUser · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The western press isn't perfect at detecting liars. As a result, they should shut up and say nothing at all.

    What a bunch of bozos.

    Am I pissed at the western press for giving Bush a free pass for so many years, and still showing a suprising lack of backbone even today? You bet. Does that mean the press offers nothing of value (even on those subjects it slants in ways I disagree with)? No.

    So a couple of government-friendly bloggers decided to stage a hoax and mimic a shutdown so many bloggers have actually experienced at the hands of that same government, just to draw out the press and discredit their message that "censorship is wrong."

    Well, maybe they're congratulating themselves, but I'm not buying their criticism. The press is imperfect, and downright wrong from time to time. Reporters are often lazy, doing more googling and reprinting of press releases than actual research, and courage seems to be lacking from many news organizations (and others appear to be outright owned by supporters of the current conservative regimes in many places, including Australia and the USA).

    However, faking a blog shutdown in a way that mimics dozens of real shutdowns, then screaming 'ha ha! fooled you you dumb free speech westerners' is like staging your own kidnapping, hiding out, then going public with how stupid the news media is for reporting your disappearance and possible kidnapping. The media has plenty of faults, but not detecting every case of fraud and deliberate deception is hardly a reason to dismiss every news they report, particularly with respect to repressive regimes.

    Hell, if the media were able to detect hoaxes and lies so easilly, Bush, Blair, and their respective administrations would get a whole lot less airtime, and we wouldn't be busy fighting a war in Iraq instead of fighting the War on Terror we were supposed to be fighting in that other country, hundreds of miles to the east ... what was it called again? Oh yeah, Afghanistan.

    --
    The Future of Human Evolution: Autonomy
  3. A very important lesson by MikeRT · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Journalists today often do not fact check any more than the bloggers they denounce. That's why this lesson was necessary and will need to be repeated several more times. The "mainstream media" is not differentiating itself from bloggers because no one expects us to fact check every post and its references because we're amateurs. Calling bloggers "citizen journalists" is flattery that none of us deserve. When blogs do fact check, it's like a mechanic doing some engineering work, but the journalists are behaving like engineers who are too proud and lazy to actually do basic mechanical work on their own machines or software. You don't expect the mechanic to be able to partially redesign something to get it working better, but when they do, you respect that. However, you ought to expect an engineer to be able to maintain what they've built, and the media shows no signs of being willing to do professional grunt work as "lowly" as fact checking.

    Another important lesson here is that the media often doesn't do its job when it comes to presenting Americans with a deeper report on totalitarian governments and violence abroad. So far, no American newspaper has reprinted the Danish cartoons, allegedly out of respect for Muslims. Yet the New York Times will report on something as safe as "Piss Christ" which is significantly more of an attack on Christianity than those cartoons were on Islam. Why? Because then they'd have to worry about Islamists carbombing the NY Times. If they wrote scathing exposes of China, Syria, Libya and other states like those, they might have to worry about those countries' security and intel agencies killing their reporters abroad.

  4. Re:Not to smart.... by JFMulder · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't agree. Reporting news is a serious issue and the facts should have been checked first, which clearly wasn't done. They made a very valid point.