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Ars Technica Reviews Controller Keyboard

phaedo00 writes "Ars Technica has reviewed the AlphaGrip AG-5 handheld keyboard and mouse. From the article: 'After lots of research and five revisions, the perfectionists at AlphaGrip finally decided that they had a product worthy of marketing, and they released the long awaited AG-5. Although the AG-5 looks strange and intimidating, it is a unique and highly innovative product that deserves consideration, particularly by mobile computing enthusiasts. The AG-5 interfaces with computers via a single removable USB cable. It uses a simple chord-like keyboarding model and an integrated trackball to provide complete keyboard and mouse functionality in a unique form factor that looks a bit like a console gaming controller.'"

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  1. Cool.. So.. by Jupix · · Score: 5, Funny

    does it get you banned in WoW? :P

    1. Re:Cool.. So.. by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Funny

      Avast, ye swab perhaps you'd rather read about Arrrrs Technica's review of a keyboard

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    2. Re:Cool.. So.. by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 5, Funny

      does it get you banned in WoW? :P

      And I nominate Jupix for the next slashdot cliché!

      Votes please?

    3. Re:Cool.. So.. by rich_r · · Score: 4, Funny

      Typical. The moment I give away my last mod point is the moment at which I end up choking on my coffee....

  2. Wha huh? by jmartens · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Even from a person who has taught himself how to use dvorak ... that looks like a nightmare.

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  3. I'm not sure this is the answer by RunFatBoy.net · · Score: 4, Informative

    While most mobile users would like to have something more compact, is it really necessary to sacrafice teh productivity of a standard keyboard in order to gain a convenient, compact form factor?

    I like the promise that the virtual keyboards have (e.g. http://www.virtualdevices.net/ ). While functionly they have some limitations right now (e.g. having to hold your fingers about the infrared keys), over time they are going to get better. At least this solution you could have a full range keyboard without having to lug it around.

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    1. Re:I'm not sure this is the answer by harrkev · · Score: 5, Informative

      Try doing that while riding on a train, or as a passenger in a car. That invention that you pointed to ONLY works if you have a table or other flat surface in fron of you. And if you type too long on a table, your hands would likely start hurting.

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      I am the proud owner of an Alphagrip. I have only spend a couple of hours with it so far, but I have an important comment that was not mentioned on TFA...

      I am a large guy. I am over six feet tall -- and I have large hands.

      I find the Alphagrip to be uncomfortable because it was designed for use by smaller hands. When I am holding it to comfortably reach the back keys, my fingers are in the wrong position to easily use the front keys. Similarly, if I can use the front keys, I have difficulty with the back keys.

      I am also not entirely sure how to hold this thing either. If it was bigger, I could press my palms against the side. However, as it is, I have to use my fingertips to hold it, which is awkward because those same fingertips are always over one button or another. If you press to hard then you get extra characters that you don't want.

      The Alphagrip seems like it has the posibility to be rather nice if it can fit you. But if you have large hands, you might want to reconsider until they make the AG-6.

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    2. Re:I'm not sure this is the answer by cayenne8 · · Score: 3, Funny
      Actually...I think the only MAJOR upgrade to the keyboard,is to do away with it totally...and have the computer somehow be connected to read your thoughts...

      Of course, this will have some drawbacks, such as when your boss walks into your office, and you forget to turn off the mindreader....and he sees over and over on the screen behind you...

      ...what a tool.

      ...what a tool.

      ...what a tool.

      ...hehehe...I boned his wife at the Xmas party while he was passed out...

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  4. Real geeks won't use it by Dekortage · · Score: 3, Funny

    This would eliminate the only exercise they get (typing!). Besides, it requires TWO HANDS.

    Also, from the article: If we are successful, the AG-5 will turn out to be just a glimpse of the future of desk-free computing. Desk-free? Where am I going to put my coffee cup?

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    1. Re:Real geeks won't use it by mrsev · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Your two hands comment is actually very correct. This many provide a useful tool for people who type alot of the time in a "conventional" manner but most of the time I am doing other things with one of my hands (I can predict the replies to this part of my comment). I like to eat, drink, hold up a piece of paper or hold one of my kids on my lap. Plus my kids will be pissed that it does not seem to be able fit their hands very well.

      On the whole a good idea and a great device for alot of people but not for me.

  5. But what I want to know... by solarbob · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...Is how is it going to effect people with RSI. Having something which looks relativly heavy and having to hold it up for a longish period at a time isn't going to be good for your wrists (not that a keyboard is much better tbh)

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  6. Re:Well.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A keyboard is letters on buttons...

  7. Engelbart Chord Keyset by daddyrief · · Score: 3, Interesting

    That thing looks like a beast.

    This is Offtopic, but maybe someone here would know...

    I've been looking to get a chord keyset similar to the 5-key style that Engelbart created. Picture. I vaguely remember seeing one or two products when i looked a few months back, but nowhere could i find a purchase link.

    I guess the question is: does anyone know where i could buy a chord keyset? Maybe some uber-nerdy slashdotter has one laying around i can buy?

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  8. ICK by Lumpy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I had to learn the Handeykey Twiddler for my foray into the world of wearable computing and it was a PITA to learn. But it at least let me do it one handed and at a somewhat decent rate. This thing looks really awkward to use no matter what you do.

    None of these alternative keybards have any real benefits. The twiddler was close as you could type while walking down the street or listening during a class without getting everyone's attention. This thing will get professors glaring at you.

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  9. A snowball's chance. by dpbsmith · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Chording keyboards hae been since the invention of the stenotype machine in the late 1800s, enabling those willing to master what the Ars Technica article calls a "steep learning curve" to attain speeds of 225 wpm or about three times the speed of a comparably skilled typist.

    They were an integral part of Engelbart's conception--the mouse was intended for use with a five-key chording keyboard.

    There is nothing about them that is very difficult or expensive to manufacture. (In fact, common sense says that all things being equal a device with a dozen or so buttons ought to cost less than one with a hundred).

    This one must be about the tenth that's made it to the point of being manufactured and sold to the general PC-using public, several marketed at the height of concern about RSI with reasonable evidence that they would be less stressful to use than conventional keyboards.

    None of 'em have ever come close to catching on.

    Chalk up chording keyboards with leap-week calendars or decimal time or the Single Tax. Ain't gonna happen.

  10. Written by an android? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny
    I can consistently achieve about 45 words per minute with the AG-5 (vs. 65wpm on a traditional keyboard), and I think that with more experience I could probably exceed 50. My typing speed on the AG-5 is apparently not indicative of the average user experience. I suppose my pedantically compulsive nature and capacity for data retention made it easier for me to assimilate the layout.


    This just in: The AG-5 is the 'keyboard' of choice for robots, androids, and borg the world over!
  11. Looks good for VR by bigpat · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Using the headtracking on my Z800 to full effect has been a challenge, since I have been largely stuck using the keyboard for FPS gaming. But this thing could really give me some extra freedom of movement. Just need a long enough USB cable and I should be able to manage the cables well enough to do a few 360 degree turns without getting too tangled.

    I tried a wireless programmable controller, but the batteries didn't last very long and their seemed to be some latency. This thing should provide all the keyboard commands you could ever need.

  12. Re:Well.... by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 4, Funny

    What do you call a device that has numbers and letters on it and its use is primarily for input into a machine.

    I call that the telephone.

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  13. They aren't guilty by Hakubi_Washu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Read the first article again. They said it was invented to reduce mechanical failure (no word about typing speed), which is exactly what that article states it was for.

  14. I bought One...My thoughts... by haplo21112 · · Score: 4, Informative

    I got one of these controllers. I have played with it a little its definately only for those that can seriously learn to touch type. Since many of the buttons are not at all in sight you really have to learn the keyboard. Over all its comfortable, but I feel that more than one size would have been better. The shipping model is more suitable for the average hand. A smaller hand could problay learn to work with it. My medium-large hands are pretty much at the limit of comfortable use. If you have large hands the buttons are not going to be anyplace near your finger tips.

    The keyboard makes extensive use of shift buttons to accomplish things. Get used to some finger acrobatics. I still have not quite got the hang of Control-Alt-Delete on this thing.

    The Built in Mouse....

    Personally this is the one true downfall in my opinion. The roller ball is WAY to small, and its far far far to slow it takes me far far to many rolls over the ball to get the mouse around even a 1024/768 acreen, never mind the 1280/1024 I typically run at. The performance in games (The reason I originally thought this might be a useful product) is basically worthless at this point. I went so far as to hack the registry to increase the mouse responsiveness to the maximum allowable, a setting you can't even do in the crontrol panel applet. The mouse still isn't acceptably responsive. In fact it seemed barley changed on the AG-5 despite the fact that another mouse on the same machine now zips the cursor accross the machine so fast you have to take a second after the movement to find it again.

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  15. Re:stop propogating myths by tyme · · Score: 5, Informative
    demon411 wrote:
    "In 1874 a company called Sholes and Glidden developed the QWERTY keyboard layout for their typewriters in order to decrease the frequency of mechanical failure."

    Stop Propogating Myths


    What are you talking about? According an article referenced from your first link:
    The first typewriter had its letters on the end of rods called "typebars." The typebars hung in a circle. The roller which held the paper sat over this circle, and when a key was pressed, a typebar would swing up to hit the paper from underneath. If two typebars were near each other in the circle, they would tend to clash into each other when typed in succession. So, Sholes figured he had to take the most common letter pairs such as "TH" and make sure their typebars hung at safe distances.

    He did this using a study of letter-pair frequency prepared by educator Amos Densmore, brother of James Densmore, who was Sholes' chief financial backer. The QWERTY keyboard itself was determined by the existing mechanical linkages of the typebars inside the machine to the keys on the outside. Sholes' solution did not eliminate the problem completely, but it was greatly reduced.

    The keyboard arrangement was considered important enough to be included on Sholes' patent granted in 1878 (see drawing), some years after the machine was into production. QWERTY's effect, by reducing those annoying clashes, was to speed up typing rather than slow it down.


    This indicates that the QWERTY layout is a direct result of the inventor attempting to prevent mechanical jams in the device. The submitter of the article wrote:
    In 1874 a company called Sholes and Glidden developed the QWERTY keyboard layout for their typewriters in order to decrease the frequency of mechanical failure.

    The myth to which you are alluding, however, is that Sholes developed the QWERTY layout to decrease the speed of typists (admittedly, to prevent the same jamming of typebars), when, in fact, the QWERTY layout acheived exactly the opposite effect (it allowed typists to type faster because jamming was less likely). The submitter is not claiming that Sholes was trying to slow down the typists (a myth) but that he was trying to reduce typebar jams (the truth).
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  16. May not be ergonomic by Tihstae · · Score: 4, Informative

    From the website http://www.alphagrips.com/store/shopping.html

    "The AlphaGrip may not be ergonomic. The company has not conducted the requisite studies to make that determination."

  17. No good if you don't have all your fingers by Tech · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The problem with all of these chorded keyboard replacements - including this one - is that they are mostly useless for anyone with fewer than five working fingers [*] on each hand, either accidentally or from birth. And a person with the normal allocation of fingers who temporarily loses use of one, due to an injury for example, would have to revert to the standard keyboard which, happily, is still entirely functional - albeit slower. I would be very interested to see more designs of alternative input devices that can accommodate temporary and permanent disabilities.

    [*] Ignoring the thumb-vs-finger debate.