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Info on Intel's Viiv DRM

An anonymous reader writes "CNET went to Intel's Viiv launch in Australia and scored some interesting info about Viiv's DRM scheme. From the article: '[Don] MacDonald also told CNET.com.au that Viiv won't be testing to see if the content being played is pirated from networks such as BitTorrent. He believes that it's not Intel's job to be policing downloads and that it's wrong to assume that all consumers are criminals. As such, Viiv won't test for watermarks or other red flags that reveal pirated content, allowing any type of media to be played.' Another choice quote from the article: 'MacDonald is confident that piracy won't be a significant issue for Viiv, as Intel promises to make content easier to buy than it is to pirate.'"

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  1. yet... by sedyn · · Score: 3, Funny

    I lost count of how many times I said "yet" while reading this...

    Maybe I should take my cynical hat off and read it again.

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  2. Easy to buy is nice... by iminplaya · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Easy to use is even nicer.

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  3. What this really means... by Saven+Marek · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Viiv won't be testing to see if the content being played is pirated from networks such as BitTorrent. He believes that it's not Intel's job to be policing downloads and that it's wrong to assume that all consumers are criminals. As such, Viiv won't test for watermarks or other red flags that reveal pirated content, allowing any type of media to be played.' Another choice quote from the article: 'MacDonald is confident that piracy won't be a significant issue for Viiv, as Intel promises to make content easier to buy than it is to pirate.'"

    Translation: "If we say we're against DRM right from the start, we'll sow seeds in people's minds that we're the good guys, so that when we start implementing really restrictive DRM schemes, it'll be really difficult to turn people against us. Hey it worked for Apple"

    1. Re:What this really means... by Lehk228 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      you mean like threaten anyone who tries to make it easy to install an x86 operating system on generic x86 hardware?

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    2. Re:What this really means... by asdfghjklqwertyuiop · · Score: 5, Informative

      When have they done this? Cite an example.


      example cited.

  4. Careless by Spad · · Score: 3, Funny

    Somebody at the RI/MPAA forgot to mail their "donations" to Intel. Expect Intel to see the error of their ways before long (3 business days for a cheque to clear these days isn't it?).

    What? Me, cynical?

  5. With apologies to the original. by Tackhead · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The original:
    Whenever a controversial law is proposed, and its supporters, when confronted with an egregious abuse it would permit, use a phrase along the lines of 'Perhaps in theory, but the law would never be applied in that way' - they're *lying*. They intend to use the law that way as early and as often as possible.

    - http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=169254&cid =14107454

    I propose the following DRM and media corollary:

    Whenever a DRM scheme is proposed, and a hardware manufacturer, when confronted with an egregious abuse it would permit, uses a phrase along the lines of "make content easier to buy than it is to pirate" -- the manufacturer is *lying*. It intends to abuse the DRM scheme as early and as often as the content industry asks it to.

  6. What You Wanted To Hear by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 4, Insightful

    He's telling the masses what they want to hear. The Furher means you no harm. You will all be protected. These rumors you have heard are too fantastic to be sure. We are civilised, like you, yes?

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  7. Re:Forced to pirate? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Then that's unfortunate, but doesn't give you the right to do anything dodgy to obtain it.

  8. Common sense prevails! by Y-Crate · · Score: 4, Insightful
    "MacDonald is confident that piracy won't be a significant issue for Viiv, as Intel promises to make content easier to buy than it is to pirate."
    I think it is safe to say that the iTunes Store halo effect has a lot to do with this assumption. While the iTunes Store hasn't squashed piracy altogether, it has sold over a billion songs and tens of millions of videos that it is safe to say would not have necessarily been purchased if they had not been made available for sale so readily and easily through one mouse click.

    People are willing to pay to be honest, they just don't like to feel ripped-off by the transaction - something the record labels have yet to learn with their demands that Apple raise prices across the board and closer to the MSRP of physical CDs. One can claim that the labels can demand whatever the market will bear, but I think the whole point of the matter is that we've seen what the market will bear and the creation of the iTunes Store is partially a response to that. No one wants to pay what the labels have been charging for physical media, and that has been reflected in the sales figures. Their stubbornness when it comes to accepting this fact has a good deal to do with their grim prospects.

    DRM on these files is rather pointless as anything Apple sells is already widely available elsewhere, and few who chose to buy something from the iTunes Store do so because they cannot obtain the content for free. Their very choice to purchase the content negates the need for DRM. The very presence of it is - surprise - due to contract stipulations made by the record labels. Steve Jobs has gone on the record that he does not believe it is necessary, but he has no choice.
  9. Consumers should buy DRM-free hardware by UseFree.org · · Score: 5, Informative

    Intel is pushing a technology called Treacherous Computing, which will prevent unsigned code from running on their hardware. So even if you have the source code, if you try to remove the DRM restrictions, the hardware will refuse to run the modified binary.

    The Free Software Foundation admits that the anti-DRM provisions in the GPLv3 will not be enough on their own to prevent the nightmare scenario where users can't trust their own computers.

    People who understand the dangers of Digital Restrictions Management at a technical level (ie.Free and Open Source software developers) should warn the general public to avoid buying DRM-crippled hardware. Consumers should know about the great variety of DRM-free computers and accessories built specifically to work with Linux, the KDE desktop, and other Free and Open Source applications.

    On the music side, there are plenty of websites that legally sell DRM-free, RIAA-free music by independent artists. Consumers can use a cross-platform, iTunes-like application called Songbird to easily download songs from these sites.

    As for movies, building a Linux media center works just as well as the DRM-crippled offering from M$FT. Just download MythTV and run it on a computer equipped with the pcHDTV HD-3000 card and the PVR-350 card -- these will capture both standard definition (NTSC) and Digital/Hi-Definition (ATSC/HDTV) signals.

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    1. Re:Consumers should buy DRM-free hardware by dr.badass · · Score: 4, Informative

      Consumers can use a cross-platform, iTunes-like application called Songbird to easily download songs from these sites.

      Songbird is not cross-platform. It is currently Windows-only. It also sucks really hard.

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    2. Re:Consumers should buy DRM-free hardware by Wesley+Felter · · Score: 3, Informative

      Intel is pushing a technology called Treacherous Computing, which will prevent unsigned code from running on their hardware. So even if you have the source code, if you try to remove the DRM restrictions, the hardware will refuse to run the modified binary.

      This actually isn't correct. You'll be able to run whatever you want, but if you run unapproved binaries you won't be able to download certain stuff (e.g. legal music/movie downloads) and may not be able to play certain online games. This is trickier than just banning unsigned code, because such a computer running free software will appear to work fine, but over time it may be gradually locked out of more and more Web sites/services. (How do you boil a user?)

      Trusted computing is bad, but you should attack it based on what it is.

    3. Re:Consumers should buy DRM-free hardware by rubypossum · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why this isn't modded Flamebait, I don't know. C'mon "Trecherous Computing", are we all in pre-school now? If you honestly believe that intel will not allow developers to release free products for their platform, you're certifiably insane. Which is unfortunate, since I think it would be GREAT. As much as I love free software (I'm typeing this on Slackware 10.1), I'm also a professional software developer. I would LOVE to prevent people from stealing my software. If you refuse to use my software under my terms, then you should not have access to it. It's that's simple. A system that prevented people from running unsigned code would be the greatest boon for the development community possible. No more would you find yourself paying for thousands of people to download your product - only to crack it and not pay you. Listen to me programmers! As much fun as Open Source projects are, you rarely make any money with them. Money is necessary in life to pay for the costs you incurr as you live. A small time developer would actually be able to quit side jobs and just sell their software if the wacko Trecherous Computing is addopted. Hooray for Trecherous Computing!!

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  10. What about AMD? by stretch0611 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Can intel be that smart promoting VIIV's DRM capabilities at a time when they are losing market share to AMD?

    On Wall Street, AMD is currently gaining market share from Intel. (slowly, but surely)

    As a consumer, I see AMD with a better price-to-performance ratio then Intel. Also AMD's chips require less electricity for that performance.

    Now throw DRM into the mix and what am I going to buy? A DRM enabled chip that costs more, or a chip that is DRM-Free, costs less, and performs better?

    It sounds like Intel is shooting themselves in the foot...

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    1. Re:What about AMD? by dr.badass · · Score: 3, Informative

      Now throw DRM into the mix and what am I going to buy? A DRM enabled chip that costs more, or a chip that is DRM-Free, costs less, and performs better?

      If you're looking for "DRM-free" you're not going to find it from AMD. AMD is a founding member of the Trusted Computing Group, along with Intel, and is building the exact same functionality into their processors.

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  11. Maybe this is in a FAQ somewhere.... by sharkey · · Score: 4, Funny

    Is Viiv like the next generation of f00f?

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  12. That's nice, but price and DRM remain issues. by lwells-au · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I was at the Intel Viiv launch yesterday. It was a reasonably interesting launch although I will forever have the jargon "the new normal" burned in to me brain.

    Whilst the talk of making "content easier to buy than it is to pirate" is nice, you have to remember that Intel is only providing the platform to access the content and not the content itself. This is clearly different from Apple's iTunes/iPod/Frontrow strategy of controlling the software and hardware platform(s) for viewing content *and* being the distributor/supplier of content. Hence Intel itself doesn't have much to say on the crucial issue of the cost of content (in fact, to the best of my knowledge, cost -- in comparison to existing distribution points/media types -- was not mentioned once during the presentation). Its all very well to make content easy to access, but it also has to be priced correctly. Intel is obviously hoping the market and competition (between content suppliers) will take care of pricing. I guess time will tell, but its a far cry from the simple easy-to-remember 99c-a-song (in the US, $1.29 here) model of the iTMS.

    Whilst its nice that Viiv won't apply DRM restrictions to content that enters into the system without DRM, that doesn't mean that the content provided through the Viiv platform won't be ladden with DRM. Again, as Intel doesn't control the supply of content supply the best they can 'promise'(as per the Cnet article) is to "[encourage] Viiv content providers to allow users to pass their media to other devices". Personally I would prefer a stated policy rather than some airy-fairy promise about encouraging fair(er) use for consumers.

    On a related issue, Dan Warne of APC raised an interesting point during the panel discussion regarding billing. Unlike Apple's system (where, obviously, they are the only supply point through iTunes), because there will be multiple content providers and there is no centralised billing system its likely you will have to provide your credit card details to each content provider seperately (at least for the time being, although MacDonald made some soothing noises about investigating a more centralised model... grain of salt, etc). Ironically, despite making much of the fact that you won't need a keyboard with Viiv for complex tasks (such as networking, etc), some on the panel noted it would be cumbersome to have to enter your credit card details through the Viiv interface with the remote and suggest hooking up a keyboard or visiting the content providers website on another computer.

    In case you hadn't guessed, whilst I think Viiv has some interesting uses, I remain very sceptical that this is anything more than a flash in the pan despite Intel's claims of this being the (wait for it) "new normal" and hoping in 50 years time it will be remembered like the introduction of television. It may have more impact in other markets, but given the lack of interest in such basic technologies as Standard Definition Digital TV, trying to get consumers to spend thousands on a PC for the living room (without the buzz of the iPod/iTunes duo) seems like a hard sell to me.