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PS3 Delay To Have Little Impact?

According to analyst firm Strategy Analytics, the PS3's delay is unlikely to have much of an effect on the next-gen race, reports GameDailyBiz. From the article: "While 2006 sales will clearly fall short of previous expectations, Strategy Analytics maintains its previous forecast of PS3 sales of 121.8 million units through 2012 ... This compares to expected sales of Microsoft's Xbox 360 of 58.8 million units over the same period." Gamasutra reports that, from Steve Ballmer's perspective, the opposite is true. From that article: "In every other generation, the first guy to 10 million consoles was the number one seller in the generation ... Did we just get an even better opportunity to be the first guy to 10 million? Yeah, of course we did." This all assumes the console launches this year.

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  1. installed user base by BewireNomali · · Score: 3, Insightful

    the ps installed user base is too big to overcome. most ps2 owners will re up and get a ps3. most ps2 owners are satisfied with their gaming experience, and I have no reason to believe that this will change between now and when the ps3 is released.

    the ps3 will do well. how well the 360 does isn't dependent on what Sony does, more on what microsoft does. they have been marketing the 360 poorly in my opinion, thus limiting the reach of the console.

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  2. 121.8 and 58.8? Bah! by ThisIsForReal · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Those analyst forecasts are way off.

    By my calculations, it's 121.6 (they must have forgotten to take into account leap year, tax increases, etc).

    How can somebody make predictions on the sale of a new piece of technology, projecting 6 years into the future, and to be so arrogant that they use the tenth's decimal place to make their forecast? Whatever...

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  3. History can repeat itself, though... by babbling · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Indeed, but the original PlayStation came out at a time when people had been VERY satisfied with their previous Nintendo system, the SNES. In fact, the first PlayStation was originally going to be a collaboration between Nintendo and Sony as a CD-ROM drive for the SNES. Nintendo pulled out, Sony continued developing it, and the cancellation of that contract turned out to be the worst decision that Nintendo ever made.

    My point is, at some point in time, the "popular" brand of systems always falls. Atari, Nintendo (and Sega?), and Sony's time will eventually come... It might not happen with the PS3, but the important thing to remember is that can happen, and eventually will. All empires are eventually toppled.

    1. Re:History can repeat itself, though... by MikeFM · · Score: 2, Informative

      It can happen but I don't think there is much risk of it happening right now. Sony would have to release a PS3 (now later than the 360) that just didn't have the power and features needed. Lacking such a stupid move I think they'll do fine.

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    2. Re:History can repeat itself, though... by scot4875 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You (and a lot of other people) seem to have a really funny definition of hardcore gamer, in my mind.

      I've been playing video games for over 20 years. I've played systems from the Atari 2600 and Intellivision era through the current console generation. I've been playing PC games since my first 8088. I've played every genre. I am very good at games. I consider myself as hardcore as they come.

      But I'm bored to tears with what most people consider 'hardcore' games. Seriously, fuck every FPS from now until infinity until someone introduces something *new*. Fuck every sports and racing sim out there. Fuck every "line up 3 and they disappear'" puzzle game. Stealth action games can go to hell -- new ways to hide and/or be detected ain't a new game, nor is a new (usually stupid, tired, cliched -- thank you Tom Clancy!) story. 1-on-1 Fighting games are getting extremely tired (I pumped hundreds of dollars into Mortal Kombat machines over 10 years ago).

      In the last generation, I could probably count the number of unique, interesting games on my fingers. All these moron 10-18 year olds who think they're "so hardcore!" are just playing new versions of the same stuff that I mastered in the '80s and '90s.

      I think that any truly hardcore gamer is probably as bored as I am with what's out there and wants something new to try. I'm not talking about high resolution or 5.1 surround, either -- those are nice, and I certainly enjoy a polished presentation as much as the next guy -- but the only next-gen system I'm really interested in (and that includes my gaming PC) is the Revolution. Everything else is just more of the same.

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    3. Re:History can repeat itself, though... by MikeFM · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You, like myself, are getting old. We don't count as hardcore gamers. Hardcore gamers are the mostly young male population that lives for games and might never have played Pac Man or Super Mario.

      I do share some things with the gamers though in that I'm very interested in seeing what kind of raw processing power can put put into these consumer machines. They want them for games and I want them for doing my own little interesting projects on.

      The Revolution may innovate in the controller and basic gameplay premises which is great but as soon as it does the XBox and PS3 will just adopt those innovations and be left with much more powerful machines that can do everything the Revolution can and much more. Sure the game market is stuck in a rut but processing power still gives you more room to do stuff.

      I'm betting on collabortive content creation as the next-gen killer app. Get some very powerful machines networked together and turn game building, movie production, music production, etc into an easy-to-do group experience and you'll have something. Maybe the Revolution-type controller will be part of that process but a lot of it has to do with having the raw power and bandwidth needed and creating some nice software interfaces and new task-purposed hardware for input etc.

      An example would be that many years ago I had a group of friends that had some custom software that would let them hook their midi instruments up and transmit the data back and forth so the group could jam together despite not living close to each other. Today you could provide a nice interface to that process complete with vocals, cam feeds, live editing, recording, and fan interaction and I think people would love it. That isn't a hardcore gamer type of thing but it could make good use of some serious hardware. It's reinventing the concept of a garage band for the Internet era. You could even offer an MMORPG built around such a system so that you could form online bands and compete with other bands and quest and work your way up in the world by being a good band. Some games have bards and things like that. What if everyone in your group used an instrument to battle, defend, cast magic, heal, etc or if your band had to play a given song with the level of percision used to base how well you succeeded. Lots of possibilities.

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  4. Re:delay, shmelay by MikeFM · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I just want the PS3 to kick ass. If it kicks ass I won't mind if they even skip a whole generation of consoles. I want an awesome experience and I'm willing to pay for it. Deliver and you'll make some cash. I'd even go as far as saying that I'd pay $1000 for a console if it really blew me away. I really want to see something more powerful than the XBox 360 which in my mind is comparable to my (fairly high-end) PC. Cram two or three Cell processors in there and some serious amounts of RAM if needed. I want a machine that I'll lust over the way I wanted a Nintendo when I was a kid.

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  5. Both are wrong. by paullyjunge · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't think Ballmer is exactly right, nor whoever wrote the article either. If Microsoft starts really hammering it in that the "next generation" is here, people will get sick of waiting for the PS3 and get a 360. It's common sense. If you are putzing along on a PS2 and get sick of waiting for the PS3, you'll get the itch and pick one up. Sad but true.

  6. PS3 will also compete with MS Vista and HDTV by G3ckoG33k · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I think many people, including myself, will wait with a (much needed) pc upgrade until MS Vista (DirectX 10) capable hardware is around. Ok, I have run Kororaa with XGL (but normally run Gentoo), and I like it A LOT. However, I have kids... And unless there are compelling Linux gaming alternatives the upgrade may well be Vista... Also, I may need to by a new tv... An HDTV. Oooo, another 1,000$ So, if the PS3 will work as a Linux-based pc, too, then it is clear. It will be PS3. If it will be cheap, like 500$, then maybe both a new pc and a PS3. Oh, I almost forgot, I need a new car, too...

  7. Replacements by smithsfan · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I guess this is as good an article to make this comment. As someone who has worked in retail for 6 years (Gamestop and now Gamecrazy) I am eternally amused that no analyst (that I've read, at least) has ever once mentioned that the installed PS2 user base is grossly overstated. Yes, the PS2 has sold well over 100 million units, but I would be very conservative in estimating that at least 30 million of those units(AT LEAST) are replacements for broken PS2's. It's really quite amazing to me that I've sold quite a few customers their 4th PS2 since 2001. The thing is, they're so invested in games, that they simply must replace their PS2 when it breaks, and they break... gosh, seems yearly.

    Besides the replacements, there are tons of users that have second and third machines. Much like the GBA buyers, they just had to get the special edition units, or the slimmer unit, or... whatever, you get it.

    I'd say that the installed user base for PS2s, based on my own experience, is overstated by 40-50%. The PS2 won the last console war, but not by nearly as much as the sales figures show.

    (and, yes, the Xbox had quite a few return customers due to broken hardware, but not nearly as many. The Gamecube appears to be indestructible)

    1. Re:Replacements by Cerium · · Score: 2, Interesting

      In all fairness though, how many of those 'broken' PS2s were actually broken? The original PS2 had an adjustable angle for the laser assembly; which could be easily knocked out of alignment during shipping or due to abuse/rough handling. I cant even count how many PS2s Ive 'fixed' by simply cracking the case open and moving the little white gear near the rear-right side. Disc read error? I think not.
      Most people wont bother attempting to fix anything themselves, theyd much rather write it off as a loss and buy a new one.

  8. Re:121.8 and 58.8? Bah! by ThisIsForReal · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I understand a decimal place, when applied to millions of units, equals hundreds of thousands. That doesn't diminish the principle that the analyst numbers are garbage. You're applying a decimal to a 3 digit number, which means you're forecasting a number with more accuracy than a percentage point. It's no more accurate than a fart in the wind.

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