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Download-to-own Films Coming Soon

riflemann writes "CNN is reporting that Universal Pictures will soon launch a service whereby films can be downloaded legally to own, i.e. non time-limited digital downloads. Currently most legally downloaded movies are time limited. Buyers will also receive a DVD version in the post. Is the movie industry finally listening? And how will they define 'own?'"

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  1. wait, what? by gcnaddict · · Score: 4, Funny

    Universal Pictures is doing this?

    ...and the MPAA hasn't responded yet? It's taking the MPAA this long to respond to a dangerous "piracy" issue?

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    1. Re:wait, what? by Ruff_ilb · · Score: 4, Interesting

      That's because the MPAA is fine with it, I'm sure; by "own," they mean watch only in their special DRMed format on valid Windows XP/Vista PC's only - no copying allowed.

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  2. 40$ for Kong? by mrpotato · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's way to expensive. These guys still don't get it. Designed to fail.

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    1. Re:40$ for Kong? by ScrewMaster · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, but in the process of failing they appear progressive, with the intent of deflecting criticism.

      "You see, Mr. Congressman? We tried the newfangled approach and it just doesn't work, you can't sell things on the Intarweb, so we're going back to our old-fashioned screw-the-consumer oligopoly. We know we can make money with that."

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    2. Re:40$ for Kong? by billcopc · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Man can I borrow your soapbox ? Looks like yours has a big built-in amplifier :)

      Torrent networks don't "attack" things.. while it might be possible to add someone's IP to the list of tracked peers and generate bogus SYN traffic, it wouldn't accomplish much as Bittorrent clients are designed to initiate a connection less than once every 5 minutes to any given host or tracker.

      Rewinding to the main topic, the only way to communicate to these media conglomerates isn't whining on /. or threatening to pirate their movies. We are dealing with business.. big business. The only language businesses speak is the language of money. Don't buy their stuff.. any of their stuff! Stop buying DVD movies, stop going to the cinemas, tell little Nicky he can shove his Harry Potter up his ass. Now I'm not saying this will hurt the company, but their bean counters will notice and those bean counters are the ones in power. They won't listen to our voice, but they will listen to our dollars.

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    3. Re:40$ for Kong? by mix4pix · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Certain types of customers would love that sort of thing." Yeah, the ones with RAID arrays in their living rooms and time to watch hours and hours of un-color-corrected, noisy, botched takes. Hint: that footage didn't make it into the movie for a reason. While "providing all the original uncut footage" might be a wet dream for some fans, it would be horrible PR for the actors and director, and a total invasion of their privacy, not to mention COMPLETELY discounting the work of the editors, sound editors, visual effects guys, and music guys. The ONLY purpose of something like this would be to give the public an appreciation of what goes into making a film . . . something you seem to be lacking in as well.

    4. Re:40$ for Kong? by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Don't buy their stuff.. any of their stuff!

      I disagree. You can buy their stuff and still put even more economic hurt on them than a simple boycott.

      My strategy - buy used DVDs, buy them from rental stores for ~$5 a disc. Then lend them out to as many people as you can. I usually work at companies with mostly well-educated, well-paid employees. I lend my $5 used DVDs out to anyone who asks, after seeing another guy do it, I even keep an inventory of recent titles on my desk for easy borrowing.

      These people are the studio's target audience - the single people have plenty of disposable income and the parents have kids which dispose of their income for them. When I lend out my $5 copy of Star Wars ep3 to 20 people over 3 months, that's at least 10 less people who would otherwise have paid money to rent or buy (I presume the other 10 just borrow it because its free, so no real loss of business opportunity there.)

      For each $5, I am stealing (to use the MPAA/RIAA's favorite terminology) around $100 worth of business away from the studios and their associates (they've got 'revenue-sharing' deals with Blockbuster and Hollywood Video) and not only is it 100% legal, I also get to own the DVD of the movie too.

      You might not think that just one guy can make a difference - that might be true, but if you check Blockbuster Video's financial status, you will see they are soo deep in the red that they will probably be bankrupt within 3 years, maybe sooner. I claim complete responsibility for that!

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  3. Security Measures? by eMartin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Security measures will make it impossible to e-mail the film to somebody else."

    What else will they prevent us from doing?

    1. Re:Security Measures? by ScrewMaster · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What else will they prevent us from doing?

      Well, given how quickly every protection scheme that has come down the pike so far has been cracked, I'd have to say ... not much.

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    2. Re:Security Measures? by Amouth · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think the file size alone will prevent "e-mail" ing the film to anyone..

      if i got a full length movie sent via e-mail to me and the mail server accepted it i would first fix the mail server then beat the person who sent it to me

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  4. Own by Eightyford · · Score: 5, Interesting

    How will they define own?

    Ownership agreement:

    You will not make backup copies of your files.
    You will not have your files on more than one computer.
    You may not share the files under any circumstance.
    You may not playback the movie to more than 5 people.

    1. Re:Own by ErikTheRed · · Score: 5, Funny
      How will they define own?
      See: Pwn3d
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  5. Still too much by paiute · · Score: 5, Insightful

    $35? It won't take off until it goes below $20.

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  6. More expensive than normal DVD's. by O'Laochdha · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Let's face it, most downloaders aren't in it for the convenience. Whether it's an ideological beef with the MPAA, lack of funds, or just plain stinginess, most people don't want to pay for these movies. This might catch on among people who don't feel like going out to the store or waiting for it to come via online stores, but it's not going to curb illegal downloading.

    1. Re:More expensive than normal DVD's. by temojen · · Score: 5, Funny
      Let's face it, most downloaders aren't in it for the convenience.
      BitTorrent is much more convenient that learning Japanese and moving to Japan just to watch cartoons...
    2. Re:More expensive than normal DVD's. by kwark · · Score: 4, Informative

      "I can watch on my TV which has a bigger screen, better sound and a nicer chair than my computer."

      In what century are you living? Modern dvd-players/recorders play MPEG-4 content, for about 50EUR you can get one with all necessary outputs for you surround system. Movies can be downloaded in different qualities:
      - 700Mb: 2channel mp3 with good enough picture quality
      -1400Mb: multichannel ac3 with good enough picture quality
      -4500Mb: stripped/recompressed DVD images in a good quality
      >7000Mb: untouched versions of originals

      "thousands of audio file.... Movies aren't as versatile that way. If I'm going to watch a movie, I'm going to sit down and pay attention to it. There's no point for me having many thousands of movie titles."

      You might have noticed that diskspace is dirt cheap these days. The same for DVDs on a 50cent DVD one can fit 6 movies. But if you have for example an modded xbox hookup up to your TV and a network disk it's almost the same as your music files example. With ease one can have a TB of movie data at your disposal, all you have to do is sit down and pick something.

  7. Has potential, for sure... by DerGeist · · Score: 4, Insightful
    This is definitely something that could be very powerful -- like iTunes, except you get the CD in the mail as well. My guess for the "ownership" part of the movie would be it only works on the computer you downloaded it to initially and is, of course, bogged down with DRM that requires you to authenticate each time you use the media.

    This service could really be huge if they implemented something vaguely similar to FairPlay in the sense that you can put it on a few other computers, and instead of putting it on your iPod, you could have a 30 day "timeout" -- if you don't connect to the internet in 30 days and reauthenticate your DRM'ed movie, you can't play it. This way it'll still work if you go on vacation or whatnot.

    The big issue here is we're talking about a movie -- a multi-million dollar venue, corporations don't lightly toss around the idea of letting you put a $500 million production on five other computers for nothing. Hopefully this is a step in the right direction and not just some kind of sick ploy, like if they load it with horrible DRM that eats your soul and then afterwards (when the service rightfully bombs) they just say "eh, there's no market for this kind of service" and never try again. Anyway here's hoping.

  8. Their FAQ is funny by grub · · Score: 5, Funny


    Heh, from their FAQ:
    Broadband internet connection recommended.

    +9000, Duh

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  9. Re:Restricted Access by robertjw · · Score: 4, Interesting
    You've never seen an Independent movie? I bet you just didn't know it. Some of the best movies ever made are indies. There's a list of the top 50 at imdb which includes titles like
    • The Terminator
    • Apocalypse Now
    • The Usual Suspects
    • Psycho
    • Pulp Fiction


    It's kind of sad (from the aspect that Hollywood makes lots of crap), but many oscar winners and oscar nominees start out as indie films. There are many more that never make the mainstream distribution channels and are only shown in 'art houses'. Just keep in mind, indie doesn't mean good either. Many of the best written movies are indies, but many of the worst movies I've seen are also independent.
  10. On Apple and iTunes...music and film by Y-Crate · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Apple is widely rumored to be in negotiations with the studios to add feature films to the iTunes Store, but the major hangup seems to be that the studios are insisting on a $9.99 a month subscription to keep a constant flow of cash coming their way, with an extra $13 or so on top of the monthly fee to keep movies after the term of the subscription ends. Jobs is having none of this, insisting on a $9.99 per movie fee with no monthly charge. You pay $10 and it's yours forever, and you don't have to keep spending money every month to maintain access to your files. The iTunes Music Store has had an enormous amount of success with this compared to the subscription models offered by other services, and it is more compatible with the existing customer mentality that when you pay for a film, it becomes part of your collection forever.

    The service proposed in the article is a perfect example of what we would get if the music industry got their way with iTunes music pricing. The labels are insisting they be allowed to charge more for newer, and more popular music (driving the prices of digital content closer to that of physical media) while offering "lower" prices for older content (Steve Jobs is resisting the increases). The Universal movie service will charge you $35 for new releases, and offer an "incredible" 50% discount on older films, which brings the price for the back catalog down to what you would pay for a physical DVD.

    Economics dictates that they can charge whatever the market will bear, but I think the past few years has proven that the market simply will not bear what the conglomerates are demanding. They have this fantasy that if online stores offer the same products that they aren't selling enough of in brick-and-mortar stores at the same, or a higher price than the brick-and-mortar stores, that sales will increase.

    The prevalence of file sharing had a lot to do with the convenience, but it was also much more a direct rebellion against the pricing schemes that the cartels had shoved down our throats for decades. iTunes killed two birds with one stone and took away the incredible premium they were demanding in retail stores, and adopted the convenience of the file sharing networks. Sales rebounded, and now they feel as if their original methodology was somehow correct and they can begin maximizing their profits by demanding more money for less product.

    They are unable to accept the notion that they have been wrong all of these years, and are terrified that Apple is increasingly making them irrelevant in the marketplace. They are not producing any physical product, the overhead and media itself is being paid for out of Apple's tiny cut (they've only recently passed break-even on the store) and they are collecting a lionshare of the proceeds for doing nothing but allowing Apple to reproduce the content they did not make. It's a zero-risk, zero-investment game with high returns for them and them alone. With fewer bands (even established ones) getting any attention from the marketing departments at major labels, the day is coming when they will be cut out of the arrangement altogether and bands upload their music on their own (as they can do right now when they lack a big-label contract prohibiting such things). If you're not getting any airplay, the only thing you need is GarageBand, a tour promoter and an iTunes merchant account. The 90% take the labels claim on each sale, and the indentured servitude they put bands in for the ridiculous expenses they charge to each group just isn't getting anyone but a few main artists any kind of return.

    The film studios are well-aware of the trap the music labels walked into, and want to ensure that any movie service has no room in it for the individual copyright holder and is arranged so if the movie studios are the only source for content, they get a monthly cut and there is no ability for individuals to upload their own films, as there is no way for them to tap into the monthly revenue stream going back to Hollywood.

  11. Re:No emailing? by patio11 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Their security feature was making it multiple gigabytes, which neatly stops most people from mailing it. Now, P2P networking, on the other hand, still working on that one. But email is definately out as a pirate method. So is hand-transcribing to papyrus, and nailing to the back of a squirrel.

  12. Re:So when... by ozmanjusri · · Score: 5, Insightful
    So when should we expect to see download-to-own software?

    Now. http://www.fsf.org/

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