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Intel Unveils PC for Developing Nations

Poppler writes "Intel has announced it will produce a PC aimed at developing nations, the 'Community PC.' Instead of giving out minimal PCs to as many individuals as possible, Intel wants to sell these machines to 'kiosk owners' who will rent out use to their village. Price TBA. How does this stack up against the $100 laptop, in terms of helping the developing world?"

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  1. In some ways, quite useful. In others, not. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Firstly how long will a desktop PC and monitor run off of a battery, and how much hand cranking will be required for 10 minutes of use?

    Okay, maybe these PCs will be located where there is a reliable power supply. That's not much use for many of the uses the $100 handheld PC will be used for though - education, textbook provision, assistance (e.g., farming techniques for farmers in the field).

    There's no reason that this cannot co-exist, but it seems that Intel will pay $50m to the countries to get a stranglehold on the market and to destroy the competition. I'm sure that Microsoft will ride on the coattails of this, knowing that a country brought up using Windows will then be tied to it for a long time afterwards. I bet they'll offer another $50m soon just to enable this option. Then Brazil, etc, can think 'Spend $100m to get 1m laptops, or spend $0 and get 250k desktops'.

    1. Re:In some ways, quite useful. In others, not. by EatHam · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Our poor people can go to the library to use computers.

  2. Can't you feel it coming? by LeddRokkenstud · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Can't you hearrrrr it calling? The computers will build another Empire!

  3. this is actually more realistic. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Frankly this seems to be a better idea, and more realistic. I can't honestly see people out in rice patties cranking up their $100 laptop, but I can see a community sharing a fully featured PC to find out medical information and argicultural techniques in the center of town.

    Hopefully either of the projects can become real.

  4. Missing the point again by MadFarmAnimalz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Based in Cairo, Egypt here. We have long slagged the USD 100 laptop project, since for that price you can get a more functional second hand pc. What the market here needs is more efficient hardware trickle down mechanics, not new architectures.

    Now, if they're building a kiosk, then the lest they can do is make the machine fnction in multiseat mode. This is possible both using Linux and windows.

    But then again, that would translate to lower Intel sales, so I guess this is just another case of developing markets being receptacles for unworkable ideas developed by some guy in a suit in NY or CA whose idea of field visits involve brave runs down to the mall.

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    1. Re:Missing the point again by MadFarmAnimalz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm sorry, I was assuming we were talking socio-economic development, not lets-give-photogenic-villagers-computers-and-pat-o urselves-on-the-back-development.

      Fact: The availability of relatively reliable electricity does not translate to ubiquitous computer literacy. Computers are too expensive.
      Fact: The urban population can contribute to bridging the digital divide just as well as the villager can (arguably better; sorry, it's economics)
      Fact: Speaking more pragmatically now, it's more effective to work on computer literacy in urban areas and in Egypt, the percentage of urban to total is high and is increasing rapidly.
      Fact: People with lower standards of living do not regard a computer as anything vital when compared to water, access to fair markets for produce, etc.

      Now, a hand-cranked machine doesn't target this market as much as the rural areas, true. Which makes it, ultimately...

      An ineffective tool of socio-economic development through technology

      I do this for a living. I know. I've seen too many moronic ICT4D projects to let your comment slide.

      Sorry for being abrasive; it wasn't intentional. There's just too much techno-fancy-pants'ing in ICT4D these days.

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    2. Re:Missing the point again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      You're talking about "bridging the digital divide" and working on "computer literacy", so you're still missing the point of the laptops, which are primarily intended to be an easy way of getting massive amounts of knowledge/information/etc out to everyone, particularly children, not to aim towards some fancy dream of "bridging the digital divide", which I would definitely consider to be a "moronic" project aim.

    3. Re:Missing the point again by MadFarmAnimalz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If it's unworkable, how come it'll generate higher sales?
      Did I say it would? It won't. Not here.

      Also, your trickly down comment is ignorant. As one of the elites of Egypt, I am sure you are unaware of the needs of the poor.

      1. Ad hominem isn't constructive.
      2. Without giving out my bank statement on /., suffice it you know I'm not an elite. I'm not poor either, for that matter.
      3. I think I have a good idea of what low-income Egyptians need. It isn't that difficult to tell. If they're dying of bilharzia, then there's a good chance that they need focus on health issues. Freshmeat is devoid of a software solution to bilharzia.
      4. I've worked with microfinance, information systems for socio-economic tracking to monitor the effects of development projects, and grass-roots Linux advocacy (and also govt. advocacy, but let's stay on topic here). If I don't know what the country needs for economic and social advancement. Plenty of exposure to the impoverished segments there.

      how much does electricity cost over there?
      It's subsidized; not very much unless you're running a lot of A/C or oil heaters. As an elite, I get the monthly average of maybe 5 or 10 dollars maximum.

      The cost of electricity isn't the issue (what with the Aswan dam and all). Water's a bigger issue, really, and until the Egyptian middle class discovers water cooled UT gaming rigs, I'd say that more efficient computing won't help there. Offtopic, we did do some GIS development for managing national water resources at my old job, so yea, if there's a technological solution to a real problem I've been there.

      Clearly if many governments are buying into the $100 laptop, there's either not enough trickle down hardware or there is a need for them

      So if the govt. invests in something, it's a good idea?

      As I said, there's enough trickle down hardware but there's no mechanism for it to trickle down (support, installation, marketing, etc.)

      Why don't you go about improving the process, seeing as how new yorkers and californians supposedly can't do it?

      I'm half Danish; what do you think I'm doing here?

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  5. Do the developing countries need these ? by jonv · · Score: 3, Insightful

    These cheap PC for developing countries seem to be getting quite popular at the moment. Is this just a case of people in the technology industry trying to do something nice rather than meeting an actual need ?
    I would have thought that other infrastructure is more important to developing nations than having access to a PC.

  6. Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm a medical student and a technophile. I studied part of my third year clinicals in a third world nation with Doctors without Borders. Quite frankly, people who keep pushing for computers to be put into 3rd world nations don't seem to actually visit the poorest (and hence the most populous parts) of those places. The fact is that even a $100 put towards a computer can be better put towards generic versions of prescription drugs. Clean water, food, medical care and education are more important than any internet connection, laptop, or cellular phone. Unfortunately, Slashdot folks don't get it. A computer is nothing more than a tool that only matters when an educated and healthy population can utilize them.

    1. Re:Why? by HomerJ · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Anonymous Coward:writes:

      I'm a medical student and a technophile. I studied part of my third year clinicals in a third world nation with Doctors without Borders. Quite frankly, people who keep pushing for computers to be put into 3rd world nations don't seem to actually visit the poorest (and hence the most populous parts) of those places. The fact is that even a $100 put towards a computer can be better put towards generic versions of prescription drugs. Clean water, food, medical care and education are more important than any internet connection, laptop, or cellular phone. Unfortunately, Slashdot folks don't get it. A computer is nothing more than a tool that only matters when an educated and healthy population can utilize them.

      If I had mod points, I'd just mod you up, but I'll just do a "me too" post. What good is a computer, if you're drinking the same water you took a leak it yesterday, and have children dying of diseases a $5 vaccination would cure?
    2. Re:Why? by jacoplane · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Nicholas Negroponte on why he is developing the $100 laptop: "... if you take any world problem, any issue on the planet -- the big ones, peace, the environment, poverty -- the solution to that problem certainly includes education, could even be just education, and, if you have a solution that doesn't include education it's not a solution at all."

      So on education he would agree with you, however, access to text-books and information is of course the number one requirement for education. Giving people water, food, medical care etc is of course also extremely important. However, I'm reminded of the proverb by Maimonides: "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime."

    3. Re:Why? by amightywind · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The fact is that even a $100 put towards a computer can be better put towards generic versions of prescription drugs. Clean water, food, medical care and education are more important than any internet connection, laptop, or cellular phone. Unfortunately, Slashdot folks don't get it.

      I have been downmodded many times on this forum for saying as much. Nice to hear it from someone with experience.

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    4. Re:Why? by suv4x4 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Quite frankly, people who keep pushing for computers to be put into 3rd world nations don't seem to actually visit the poorest (and hence the most populous parts) of those places."

      Come on... all they need is a computer and a local Chrisitian church missionary base to teach them they are poor since they don't accept Christ. Right? ... Right?

      Black humor aside, computer *is* education. This is 2006, networking is not just for porn and chatting anymore, Internet is by far the fastest way to educate yourself on any kind of matter, and noone actually is claiming a computer will feed you or heal you, but it's still a critical component for getting the developing nation actually develop.

      It would be nice if the $100 laptop could run Windows CE since it's closer to the most popular platform in the world (thus easing the porting of various educational tools and software), but then they wouldn't be $100...

      In the web era I guess a capable web browser would do as well.

    5. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I agree with the original parent poster. Comments such as yours seem to ignore the infrastructure costs in deploying and maintaining internet access in third world nations. Secondly, your argument completely neglects to mention the fact that most of the world's knowledge is still available only in books. Thirdly, the fastest way to educate the masses is a competent teacher, a blackboard, a few books and a willing group of students. To blindly throw technology at every problem doesn't address the problems Intel and others seem to be trying to solve. When Americans have a majority of their public education taught from cheap laptops, then maybe we can consider importing this method of teaching to third world nations. Until then it just shows how truly disconnected you are from reality. Bravo to the OP.

    6. Re:Why? by should_be_linear · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sending food and medicine doesn't work. Why? Because we are able/want to send much _less_ food/medicine/water then it is needed. Reason: Sending 10% of your money (that would be enough) for food in Africa will not win you any elections anywhere. In case this is true (it is) we should keep with plan B (building education there so that they can feed themselves). If you are growing apples Africa, it is _big_ difference if you can use cell phone and sell your products without going 20 miles away or simply negotiate activities with your family elsewhere. Cell phones will have huge impact on productivity of people in Africa just like it had anywhere else. I am not sure about _computers_ however. Anyway, "bring them food instead of cell phones/computers" attitude equals to "do nothing" in practice. Nobody will bring food to Africa even if we could. Fact proved by history.

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  7. Re:Been there seen that... by cnettel · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There are lots of places where $1 an hour would be a very significant blocking point against general usage. In locations where a "normal" Internet cafe is commonplace (and affordable), I think that both this device and the hand-driven $100 laptop would be little more than an oddity.

  8. Help the developing world by Gothmolly · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Lets see, high on a rational priority list would be (just off the top of my head here):

    1) Convince the Muslim clerics in Nigeria that the polio vaccine is not a Western conspiracy to kill off Muslims.
    1a) Fix polio.
    2) Stop the hysteria over genetically modified food, so that people can grow 'golden rice', rice modified to produce beta carotene, so that people who live only on rice, at least get some nutrition from it.
    3) Provide real birth control options for developing nations.
    4) Stop pouring money into China.
    5) Get the French out of the Sudan, so that the UN can actually fix the problems there. ...
    1001) Get them all laptops, so that the power of the Internet can Change Their Lives.

    Seriously folks, stop the laptops-for-everyone circlejerk, and fix the real problems.

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    1. Re:Help the developing world by Vellmont · · Score: 5, Insightful


      Lets see, high on a rational priority list would be (just off the top of my head here):

      Contrary to popular belief, "the developing world" isn't a single place, but a vastly different collection of places and people at differing levels of development.

      Help is also not a zero sum game. It's not as if Intel not doing this kind of development opens up greater possibilities for priorities 1-5 in your numbering scheme.

      Is this something that can help some people in developing countries? I really don't know. But attacking the idea on the premise that there's other people with other problems is really missunderstanding the entire situation.

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    2. Re:Help the developing world by suv4x4 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Seriously folks, stop the laptops-for-everyone circlejerk, and fix the real problems."

      Do you expect Intel to work on fixing the polio vaccine and "stop the hysteria over genetically mofified foods"?

      The people who work on these issues aren't just an entity called "folks", they are different organisations capable of addressing different issues. MIT and Intel are doing what they are specialised in: provide access to information, processing power.

      Let's not nag them for doing what they can do, instead of what they can't.

    3. Re:Help the developing world by metlin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Please stop trolling.

      On every article on technology development, there is always someone who comes up with similar arguments.

      *sigh*

      Just why? I mean, do you really think that development should happen only if everything else falls into place?

      Hell, the US has its own set of problems - are you going to stop everything and everybody from coming up with and using technology until they are all solved. Development is not a single task, nor is it for a single place.

      Often, development is the coming together of a lot of things. While the points similar to the ones you mentioned should not be ignored, that in no way means that everything else should be put to a standstill while those problems are solved.

      If all the money and everyone were bent on changing the world to fix the "problems" first, we'd never have any progress.

      Like another poster said, the developing world is not a single place. It's a bunch of places, with differing cultures and needs. There is no one single solution.

      I mean, what if a developing nation, say India, had focussed entirely on solving its problems and not on fostering and using technology? Do you think the software industry in India would have picked up? Do you think millions would have the jobs they do now and have a better standard of living?

      To think that people should solve all the problems before doing anything else is ridiculous.

      There are always problems, and while they need to be solved, they should not be the reason enough to give up looking at other ways of enhancing people's lives.

  9. Issues and Specs by Dekortage · · Score: 3, Insightful

    From the article: Intel's Community PC is designed to withstand temperatures of 113 degrees Fahrenheit and up to 85 percent relative humidity, and has a removable dust filter.

    See, this is a concrete example of the intelligent engineering behind this particular PC For The Poor. Negroponte's $100 laptop has a hand crank for powering it, but I do not recall hearing how it handled heat and humidity. (maybe he said somewhere but I don't see it)

    Still, as someone who works for an international nonprofit that works to improve healthcare delivery systems in "Third World" countries... I am afraid that we are putting our attention and investments into some of the lesser problems. Can you e-mail food to a starving person? Can HTTP protect you from malaria? Honestly it's not the end user who needs reliable computing power and Internet access; it's the medical professionals, ministries of health, NGOs, etc., who need up-to-date information and communication capabilities.

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  10. How important is the CPU? by jacoplane · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Intel is of course not happy with the $100 laptop since that runs on the AMD Geode processor. Intel is of course focusing on the "fully featured" "community sharing" idea because they want to stop the idea that having a limited CPU is sufficient for most tasks. I think that is the elephant in the room here: For most common tasks, like web browsing, document editing, and e-mail, a top of the line processor is simply not really required. Ars Technica has said it well.

  11. Re:Been there seen that... by Verteiron · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yeah, the biggest problem I have with the $100 laptop idea is that unless you give these to -everyone- in that Remote Village (TM), they'll quickly be sold and/or stolen for food, drugs or women. And even -if- they give them to everyone, what use is a wind-up toy laptop when you're barely able to eat?

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  12. Third world needs help... by vitya404 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ... and not the words of some hypocrites. It is very spectacular to build nice projects, run big ad campaigns. But when will they start to give something? I guess the answer is never. These guys give 5$ to the red cross, and that is their yearly offer for the poor. And I agree: we should first help them with food, medication and education. If this [wikipedia.org] is not a good reason for sticking to this order, then what? To say the least: I can't code when I'm starving or when I'm ill.

  13. Big brand bullshit by z4pp4 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Wanna provide developing nations a PC for under $100?
    DONATE your old PC.
    Stop being a let's catch the headlines bullshitter and adress the PROBLEM instead of YOUR CORPORATE EGO.

  14. Developing Nations = Permanent Poverty by digitaldc · · Score: 3, Insightful

    'Developing Nations' have been developing for decades, yet they are still in poverty.

    Now why is that? Shouldn't they be developed enough to create wealth and an educated populus? It seems to me that they are kept in poverty to suit the needs of other countries that exploit them. I hope a PC will help them, but I doubt it. Things need to change on a global economic scale first, then these nations might have a chance at creating a 'first world' society.

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  15. Pure Marketing Stunt... by vhogemann · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Does the developing nations need computers? Maybe...
    Does the children at these nations need computers? Pehaps...
    Does they need better EDUCATIONAL and WEALTH DIVISION policies? You can bet it!

    I live at Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. And I can tell you that most of the children here already has acces to computers. But they don't use them to study, they prefer to user them to play Counter-Strike.

    Distribute free computers among the poor populations, and dump them at public schools has NO USE when the average teacher is underpaid... When there arent enought schools... When there is no social programs to make sure the children stay at school... When lots of children go to the local drug dealers to make money, because their mother are unenployed... When these children has a drunken dad, or no dad at all!

    Don't get me wrong. I think that it would be fantastic if every children here at Rio de Janeiro, or at Brazil, has access to a computer. But the problem is, nobody is thinking what these children will do with these computers! How they fit within the current brazilian school model?

    Computers are not the priority right now. And I gues this is the same situation on every other developing nation. Lets get the basic stuff first, like EDUCATION, and JOBS, and HOUSING... Then the governaments can start giving away free computers to garantee some more votes on the next election.

    Just my $0.02

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  16. Only a dollar??? by Aphoric · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Wait a minute. To us it's only a dollar.
    You can provide food and clothing for a child in a developing nation for a few cents a day, but they have money to pay for internet pr0n? They need to stop spending their money on teh internets and buy some damn food then. I'm glad I didn't sponsor one of those spoiled little kids then if they are just gonna use it to get internet access to send me spam.

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  17. Re:Been there seen that... by Xyleene · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Mexico a developing nation??? Hope that isn't flamebate... Mexico's nominal GDP is 675 billion or 6494$ per capita. Not exactly America's but not in the same class as developing nations by a long shot (which are less than 1000$ per capita).

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  18. What's the point? by Luscious868 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Each and every country was "third world" status at some point in time. There's a reason the "developed" world became "developed" and it all starts with the rule of law, security, stability, a free market economy and, in most cases, democracy. If you really want to help you should be less focused on cheap laptops and more focused on what I've just listed. It reminds me of the old adage: "Catch a man a fish and feed him for a day, teach a man to fish and feed him for a lifetime". If we can encourage the rule of law, security, stability, a free market economy and get these nations on a path toward democracy then all of this will be a moot point because they'll either be building their own laptops or have the means to buy them. Don't treat the symptoms, cure the disease.

    1. Re:What's the point? by Cheeze · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What a better way to teach democracy than to sell one computer to one village and let one guy become the wealthy/ruling class.

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  19. 100.00 laptop by panxerox · · Score: 3, Insightful

    1 person using a 100.00 laptop for 10 hours a day or 10 people using a 1000.00 laptop for an hour a day each. While only an hour that person could probably get more done than with the 1000.00 kiosk machine and more people could gain access too it.

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