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PS2 Price Cut On The Way?

GameDailyBiz reports on analyst predictions of an upcoming PS2 price cut. From the article: "Although some analysts have said a price cut to $99 for the aging console would be a possibility, Sebastian believes the cut would be a more moderate $20 drop. 'We now believe a price cut on Sony's PS2 is more than likely ahead of the E3 video game conference. Specifically, our industry checks indicate that Sony is planning to cut the PS2 price to $129 from the current $149 before the end of this month,' he said."

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  1. With... by BkBen7 · · Score: 1

    All the next gen systems coming out, its really no surprise.

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  2. Makes Sense by metrunecs · · Score: 1

    I guess people need to replace all of their broken PS2s these days anyway. Wouldn't want to move to the NEXT generation anytime soon.

    1. Re:Makes Sense by shotfeel · · Score: 1

      That's where I am right now. I was probably going to get a new PS2 at the beginning of May anyway simply because no matter how many times I clean it, the old one is reading fewer and fewer disks. And you can completely forget about the PS1 disks and the "blue" PS2 disks. Not to mention it doesn't play video DVDs any more either.

      Yep, I'm due.... Of course I'll probably blow the $20 on an accessory or new game anyway.

    2. Re:Makes Sense by acidrain69 · · Score: 1

      Interesting. Mine tends to read PS1 discs and some PS2 CDs (not DVDs) pretty well, but chokes on most DVDs. Video is unwatchable. Usually this means your laser has bit the dust, it can be replaced for $50-60 if you do it yourself. The V12 slim PS2 laser is a little cheaper, but that unit has a whole other set of problems.

      I tend to avoid the slim PS2 for the laser burnout reason, and the fact that you can't put a hard drive in it without soldering stuff to the mainboard. I have 2 old-style (a V4 and a V7 PS2) that I still use with a hard drive. Used HD Loader to install games on the hard drive and play them there. They load faster than the DVD drive too. Bonus!

      Also, you may be able to buy a few free months by looking online for the DVD fix. There is a gear in the PS2 DVD drive that adjusts the laser height or angle or something. You just put a dot with a marker where it is now, and turn it a few clicks and try booting. This really just prolongs the inevitable though, although you can get some extended use by doing this.

      Of course you have to void your warranty by opening the case, which for me ran out like 2-3 years ago.

      You can find the magical gear by taking out the 6-8 screws on the bottom of your PS2 (varies by version#), flipping it back over, taking out the 4 little screws on the top of the DVD drive and lifting the cover off (the magnet from the CD spindle will try to hold on, just pull gently and it will come right off. Be careful when you take the top cover off the PS2, the power button and reset button are loosely attached to the top of the case, it is possible to rip the connecting ribbon cable if you aren't careful (it's like $6 to replace though). You should see the white gear near the top at this point. Turning it full circle will put it back where it was (the laser head is spring loaded).

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    3. Re:Makes Sense by shotfeel · · Score: 1

      I've looked fot the magical gear, and haven't found it. I'm wondering if I have a revision where its missing. The reason I say that is its not where the pictures show it, and all the directions that talk about it mention removing 4 little screws on the top of the DVD drive. Mine has only two near the front, and two "clips" in the back to hold it on.

    4. Re:Makes Sense by acidrain69 · · Score: 1

      What version is your PS2? Or was is the serial number on the back? Mine are 35000 and 39000 (or maybe it was 39001) corresponding to a version 4 and a version 7 PS2.

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    5. Re:Makes Sense by shotfeel · · Score: 1

      I don't know off hand what model it is, and I won't have access to it until tonight. We bought it for Christmas 2002.

  3. A $20 drop is nothing. by misfit13b · · Score: 3, Funny

    But bundle it at that price with Guitar Hero and maybe we'll talk.

  4. Making it third party by dada21 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I was thinking about the "Will Microsoft buy out Sony?" situation, and I was thinking the best solution for Sony to capitalize on their losses is to open the world market up to the old Sony platform: release the PS2 as open-source or cheaply licensable and give others access to making new hardware, new software and new accessories.

    The PS2 platform is still a great platform with a lot of room for improvement. Imagine a gaming console that can be accessed by the millions of developers, programmers, amateurs and third parties that could make things better. Sony doesn't have to give it up entirely, but they could capitalize on a re-birth by finding ways to continue to market their older titles and software to a new live of PS2's that might come to fruition.

    Maybe it isn't the best solution, but I think it is one that isn't thought of usually -- more competition makes those in the business more profitable as new avenues for revenue open up. I love my competition, they make me more money than if I had a monopoly on my services.

    1. Re:Making it third party by arodland · · Score: 1

      You know, this actually makes some real sense. Look how long the Dreamcast managed to survive after its death due to the hack that allowed the "homebrew scene". Of course, the same hack may well have been what killed the Dreamcast, but that's a controllable factor. Lock out unlicensed games during hte profitable period in the system's life. Then eventually something new comes out, and the games aren't selling like they used to. But most likely, the cost of production of the system has gone way down. So now you turn things around. Allow the homebrew folks to produce cheap games (and if there's some piracy in there too, don't worry too much) -- and make money off of selling the hardware for the first time. Interesting.

    2. Re:Making it third party by Radres · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "...I was thinking the best solution for Sony to capitalize on their losses"

      What losses? PS2 is still the most profitable video game system.

      "...release the PS2 as open-source or cheaply licensable and give others access to making new hardware, new software and new accessories."

      Yeah, because the OSS version of the PS2 wouldn't compete with the PS3 and dig into their future profits. What the heck are you smoking?

      "Imagine a gaming console that can be accessed by the millions of developers, programmers, amateurs and third parties that could make things better."

      It's called a PC with a 3D graphics card. I'm sure I'll get modded into oblivion for standing up against an OSS viewpoint, however.

    3. Re:Making it third party by Radres · · Score: 1

      "make money off of selling the hardware for the first time."

      It's a common misconception that game consoles always sell at a loss, mostly propogated by the amount of press Microsoft gave out about their X-Box business plan when that console was released. Fact is, Nintendo and Sony make money on the hardware.

      Allowing homebrew games on a console would suck out a lot of the profit for the console producer, so it will probably never happen.

    4. Re:Making it third party by jandrese · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That's not an entirely fair comparison, a PC with a graphics engine is considerably easier for an amateur developer to work with than a PS2. If the PS2 was OSSed, I'd expect some emulator engines (ScummVM, NES, SNES) to pop up (along with shady side businesses selling emulator+roms) and maybe a few demos and trivial games, but that's about it. Maybe, maybe, a few years down the road we get a couple of decent homebrew games and a bunch of niche games and ports, but I wouldn't expect to see an explosion of user developed content. The PS2 is just to hard to develop for. While it might be kind of fun to see tuxracer running on a PS2, it's pure novelty.

      I could see Sony releasing a PS1 development environment for free now, since it'd be a decent teaching tool and wouldn't cut into their profit margin (nobody licenses the PSx development engine anymore AFAIK), but even that is a bit of a streach.

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    5. Re:Making it third party by rAiNsT0rm · · Score: 1

      That is pretty much where Nintendo is heading with the Revolution, and with the much lower cost to develop for the GC (revo) it makes much more sense.

      Sony will never be able to "open" up the dev tools for the PS2 due to the licensing issues. Nintendo is the only one in a position to make all or part of theirs open... or even the SNES toolkit. Mode 7 and other features offer a lot of room to work still.

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    6. Re:Making it third party by dada21 · · Score: 1

      Interesting, I wasn't aware of the licensing issues. That's too bad, maybe Sony can renegotiate some of them, hmm.

      By the way, bizarre-host.com suspended your account, will it get back running soon? I'm interested in your topic :)

    7. Re:Making it third party by yammosk · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I love this. Everytime someone says "PS2 was sold at a loss", someone turns around and says that this is groupthink and a myth. Then they "prove" it by linking to a blog with zero references (quite ironic). Seems to me like everyone is off their "gord".

    8. Re:Making it third party by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heh, you know, I was thinking the same thing about the NES yesterday. If it weren't for the upcoming virtual console in Revolution, I wonder how open Nintendo would be to such a prospect?

    9. Re:Making it third party by Donjo · · Score: 1

      I don't see how making PS2 open source would help them at all. Everybody on the planet already knows what a PS2 is, even my aunt who refers to everything else as a "gameboy" so they don't need the publicity. Secondly, consoles hardly make any money through hardware sales. As we have seen with the PS1, sony will continue to pump out games for quite some time and any free games would really cut into those sales. Sony still sells their old games and people still buy them. I know quite a few people who buy nothing but the games in the Greatest Hits lineup because they are affordable, all of these games could be considered old games. You keep talking about a resurgance of support and I never even noticed that "support" left in the first place.

    10. Re:Making it third party by dada21 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Everybody on the planet? 100,000,000 units have shipped in nearly 6 years -- a lot, but not complete. How many still work? How many markets were ignored because the price couldn't get any lower to get these new markets into using the device? How many people have stopped buying software for the PS2 because the newer software focuses on the newer consoles?

      I think Sony could breathe a TON of life back into their current inventory of licensed games (and even new games adapted) for the PS2 -- they don't need the hardware anymore to make money. By letting others develop hardware add-ons and even complete knock-offs of the hardware, Sony could revitalize a market that really isn't ready to die. Competition can make them much more profitable by pushing the costs of new developments to many companies rather than just the ones that can afford the Sony licensing fee.

      Sony has a gold mine that they probably won't tap. Giving the PS2 code away to developers could mean HUGE things for Sony in terms of bringing a new demand for their older products. Why not give the hardware away? I can see $39 PS2s selling, not $129 ones. If a new market is opened for the PS2, that same market would open up desire for Sony's products they do sell, still. Hell, let someone create PS2 code for cell phones (Sony could then sell software they own or license for this version). There is so much life left, but monopolizing it for themselves will decrease their market into oblivion eventually.

    11. Re:Making it third party by rAiNsT0rm · · Score: 1

      Yes, Sony's dev systems employ many licensed bits that would be a nightmare to even think of opening. That is one of the biggest problems with Sony, the propriety of everything they do and the total reliance on outside tools. Just as they are so dependent on IBM right now to get a solid compiler and dev tools for the cell.

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    12. Re:Making it third party by jonabbey · · Score: 1

      Mod: +1 railing against injust moderators

    13. Re:Making it third party by shotfeel · · Score: 1

      I'd expect some emulator engines

      Ahh, yes. I remember the brief period in time when Connectix sold a PS2 emulator (Connectix Virtual Game Station). They even withstood the lawsuit Sony threw at them. But then they sold it to.... Sony.

      Oh well, there were a few months when my Mac was a kick-ass game machine.

    14. Re:Making it third party by shotfeel · · Score: 1

      That's one of the biggest pitfalls for projects that try to get orphaned games open-sourced. The groups contact the company (if the company even exists) and are often told, "We'd love to do that, but there're these licensing issues with dozens of different companies and it would simply cost us too much to do it".

    15. Re:Making it third party by Manmademan · · Score: 1

      The Connectix VGS was a Ps1 emulator. To date there are no fully fuctioning Ps2 emulators and most likely won't be one for some time as the PS2 is notoriously difficult to program and has rather unorthodox hardware compared to a PC.

    16. Re:Making it third party by Manmademan · · Score: 1

      One would think IBM actually designing the bulk of the cell processor would have something to do with that...IBM also developed the processor in the 360 as well as the CPU of the Revolution. No matter who loses this round, IBM wins.

    17. Re:Making it third party by jusdisgi · · Score: 1

      I'm sure I'll get modded into oblivion for standing up against an OSS viewpoint, however.

      Well, maybe if it had been an honest and/or thoughtfull OSS viewpoint. Hell, I'm not sure it was even an OSS viewpoint at all. That, my friend, was a garden varietty troll, having a bit of fun...and you bit the hook.

      I mean, come on...."the whole Will-MS-buyout-Sony situation" ...you kidding me?

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    18. Re:Making it third party by rAiNsT0rm · · Score: 1

      Hardware-wise IBM is in a win-win, but they are only really prevalent in the dev tools with the PS3. IBM and a number of developers have already admitted the tools are lacking and are not utilizing the cell fully, and IBM is working hard at fixing that. The only problem is that the PS3 is only one small piece of the cell puzzle. The cell is going to be used in a number of devices going forward, and with arguably the most complex use being first in line does not bode well for having mature and full-fledged dev systems. There will be a massive lag where the technology is ahead of the tools most likely a year or even more after the PS3 drops... that ain't good.

      I'm more interested in seeing how it all unfolds from the outside this time, I have zero plans of buying a PS3 and have no vested interest in it this time, so I can just be a passive observer and watch how it turns out. I actually don't have a lot of faith in the system as far as initial sales, and I think that will be one of the nails in the coffin.

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    19. Re:Making it third party by shotfeel · · Score: 1

      I could have sworn I was using it for PS2 games, but looking back it appears I was hallucinating.

  5. Anal-ysts by Kangburra · · Score: 1

    Since when did it take an analyst to work out that a competitor has a new console out, a new model is due later in the year and there's a shed load of these still to sell so we'll drop the price bit by bit to get rid of them.

    Isn't this standard practice, do we need to be told this is what is expected?

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  6. Good move, but not enough... by TheNoxx · · Score: 1

    If Sony had dropped the price of the PS2 to less than $100 and managed to get some more greatest hits out and somehow get a big sale going on games a week before the 360 was released, they could've done a fair bit of damage.

    Oh well. My PS2 is on it's way to the grave anyway...

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  7. Drop it to $99.... by Launchpad+Mcquack · · Score: 3, Funny

    and one is going in the bathroom.

    1. Re:Drop it to $99.... by C_Kode · · Score: 1

      Screw that, just release a termimal/media server for it and I will have a terminal in every room! :)

    2. Re:Drop it to $99.... by Launchpad+Mcquack · · Score: 1

      Amen!

  8. Much over due by Ontain · · Score: 2, Insightful

    they could have done this a year ago. the parts in the ps2 are really old. if the gamecube can go for 99 so can the ps3.

    1. Re:Much over due by Capt_Napalm · · Score: 1

      I only wish the PS3 will $99....

  9. Overdue price drop by Volante3192 · · Score: 1

    I remember back when the 360 was getting ready to come out that it was rumored Sony was going to drop the price on the PS2 to compete since the PS3 wasn't ready yet. At that time I told myself, the instant the PS2 hits $100, I'd get one.

    So I have another 2 years to wait? Sony's already *lost* the money on the production of these things. Least they can do now is try to recoup some of it so the losses on the PS3 will hurt slightly less.

    1. Re:Overdue price drop by Launchpad+Mcquack · · Score: 1

      I nearly fell out of my chair when I heard the PS3 is shipping with a 60GB hd. I thought it was a misprint. They should be able to get $500/console with that puppy strapped on the back end.

    2. Re:Overdue price drop by Nightspirit · · Score: 1

      Estimated price $600-700. See the /. blacklog on the ps3. Quote is from a french sony spokesperson.

      I'd rather take it with a 20-30g harddrive, no blu-ray, and have it be $200 less.

    3. Re:Overdue price drop by Launchpad+Mcquack · · Score: 1

      I do like the blu-ray, simply because of the size, but I can't see games being made that take advantage of such huge amounts of available space. I see sony under-delivering, just as with the PS2.

  10. Hogs of War PSX! by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

    I need to get a PS2 to play "Hogs Of War" PSX since I can't find any memory cards for my PSX. I get a lot of strange looks at stores when I ask about PSX memory cards.

    1. Re:Hogs of War PSX! by Lave · · Score: 1

      creimer meet ebay, ebay meet creimer.

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    2. Re:Hogs of War PSX! by ElleyKitten · · Score: 1

      >>I need to get a PS2 to play "Hogs Of War" PSX since I can't find any memory cards for my PSX. I get a lot of strange looks at stores when I ask about PSX memory cards.

      Hate to break it to you, but you can't save PSX games on PS2 cards.

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    3. Re:Hogs of War PSX! by shrykk · · Score: 1

      Hate to break it to you, but you can't save PSX games on PS2 cards.

      You can copy back and forth though. So he could free up space on his existing cards by offloading his old saves onto a PS2 card.

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    4. Re:Hogs of War PSX! by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Unfortunately, my problem is that I lost my PSX memory cards when I moved recently. Hogs Of War PSX is still my favorite game but the gameplay is too long to play in one setting. I always crack up when one of the War World I pigs scream, "Die you filthy swine!"

    5. Re:Hogs of War PSX! by Qzukk · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't work anyway, psx games require psx memory cards to save, even on the ps2. PS2 games can't read psx cards either. (The builtin memory card editor can move saves back and forth between types of cards, but it's mostly for being able to backup psx games onto the bigger ps2 cards to make more space on the psx card.

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    6. Re:Hogs of War PSX! by Sizzlean · · Score: 1

      I'd say check Ebay like the other person mentioned. I know the Blockbuster and Rogers video near me both have bins of old PSX stuff including memory cards sitting around the store, you might have some luck with them (or whatever equivalent video stores you have nearby).

    7. Re:Hogs of War PSX! by binkzz · · Score: 1

      For what it's worth, there's also a PC version of the game.

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  11. Viable Platform by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Honestly, as far as technology goes the PS2 (XBox/Gamecube) is still a very viable platform; the games being produced for 'Next Generation' platforms are, for the most part, producing no gameplay benefits from their fancier technology but are only producing better looking/sounding games. The reality is that the new platforms are being produced not because of a push by developers to have new technology (nor from a push by gamers for better graphics) but because of Sony's and Microsoft's dwindling revinues (and profits in the case of Sony). Essentially this is like the HD-DVD/Blu-Ray situation, most Directors/movie makers are happy with the DVD format and consumers are happy with the DVD format but there is a massive push by large companies to create a new format; the push is because HD video is much larger (and thus harder to download), they will be able to charge more for the same content, and they will be able to shove DRM down our throats.

    (With the possible exception of the Revolution) I don't expect to see anyone rush out and purchase any of the Next generation systems; only as existing platforms die, and people can't get any new games for them, will the adoption rate of the next generation systems pick up. All new systems seem to offer is more generic games with slightly better graphics, this is not worth the $500+ entry price nor the $60 per game price.

  12. umm... by rAiNsT0rm · · Score: 1

    With a total of 17 comments I can see the sheer exitement and fervor this will stir up! Honestly if I were buying a current gen system at this point, I and most others would buy a Gamecube. It is $59 used at most places or $99 with a $60 game like Mario Party 7 included new.

    Sure the PS2 has some solid titles, but nothing that would make you jump on one if you didn't already own one by now and need a replacement. At least Zelda TP for GC is coming up soon. The only title would be Okami for PS2 that could possibly move some units after the drop in price.

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    1. Re:umm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, Final Fantasy 12 won't move any units when it hits the US or Europe...
      Neither will God of War...

      Come on now. I love my Cube, but PS2 has the most high quality games. Do I play my PS2 the most? Not really, but I still have as many PS2 games as I have Xbox and Gamecube combined.

      Also, PS2 is the only console with more than 1 AAA title coming in the future. Zelda: TP will be the Cube's swan song, but there's literally nothing else of interest until then. 2005 sucked for the cube, and 2006 will suck mostly too, with the one aforementioned exception. Then there's Xbox, which has been dead for a few months now...

    2. Re:umm... by timeOday · · Score: 1
      I just bought a PS2 last month, my first game console since the Atari 2600. (I played on the PC until about 5 years ago, then got out of gaming. But now my son is getting old enough for us to play together). My only annoyance so far is that they didnt' include a built-in memory card, since it's practically a requirement.

      I picked the PS2 essentially because of its popularity - I wanted a huge library of good, cheap (used) games available. I went to a local game store and got Gran Tourismo for $3 (used), and it's a great game. I got Splinter Cell and Ratchet & Clank for about $7 each. The Gamecube wouldn't have been a bad choice either, but I went with the PS2 because of my perception that it had more, and cheaper, games available.

    3. Re:umm... by meringuoid · · Score: 1
      Sure the PS2 has some solid titles, but nothing that would make you jump on one if you didn't already own one by now

      If they make it cheap enough I might buy one just in order to play Katamari.

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    4. Re:umm... by rAiNsT0rm · · Score: 1

      Very true, Katamari, Guitar Hero, Okami, Shadow of the Colossus, GoW, and a few others I can see... I'm just not sure how much a slight drop will do with the GC sitting right beside it for $99 with a bundled game.

      Microsoft is moving into new territory with their $10 platinum favorites games... and I see that being more of a draw than anything. If Sony can do that as well with their player's choice line, they will sell millions. Even with the Revolution, 360, PS3, etc. on the shelf I could still see huge sales of a low priced PS2 with $10 top games.

      We'll see how it turns out.

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  13. How would PS1 homebrew hurt Sony? by tepples · · Score: 1

    Allowing homebrew games on a console would suck out a lot of the profit for the console producer, so it will probably never happen.

    In which way would allowing homebrew on the PlayStation 1 console suck money away from Sony? There aren't any new commercial PS1 titles coming out anyway that they would compete with.

  14. Analyst, schmanalyst by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Heard about this from my friendly neighborhood EB Games (now GameStop) manager last week. EBG/GS will be dropping the prices on their used PS2s to match. Now can I be an analyst too?

  15. Time to buy a PS2! by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    So far, I've paid less than $100 each for my GameCube and xBox - now to pick up a PS2 for the same price!

    ah, it's good to be behind the tech adoption curve - stuff is always cheaper, like my 2.6 GHz 752MB 11b/g laptop that only cost $500, so I could spend my money on going to Vancouver with my girlfriend this weekend (total cost around $400 for the full trip).

    you can spend your money on adopting tech early, and get less sex.

    or you can spend your money later after the tech wave, and get more sex.

    I vote for the latter.

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    1. Re:Time to buy a PS2! by Homestar+Breadmaker · · Score: 2, Funny

      Or you can not be a broke-ass loser, and get the latest stuff and sex!

    2. Re:Time to buy a PS2! by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

      nah, I already have top of the line tech at work, why bother breaking my home budget when I can get it with grants at work.

      I'll wait until the PS3 and Revolution come out, and buy one of them say around President's Day, at a slight discount - then pick up the other one when it goes on sale.

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    3. Re:Time to buy a PS2! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey look at me, I'm having sex, unlike all you antisocial losers!

    4. Re:Time to buy a PS2! by syylk · · Score: 1

      I see you're new here. :)

    5. Re:Time to buy a PS2! by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

      I see you're new here. :)

      Not really. This account I created a couple of years ago, but I have two other accounts I no longer use that go back to pre-dot-com days.

      I was on the Internet before it was Arpanet, used to be a student at Simon Fraser University and we used 300 baud modems if we were lucky (1200 baud was cool when it came out).

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  16. nice but ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd quite like a ps2 because its slim and got some great games.

    I'd quite like an xbox because I can run emulators on it (amiga, snes, nes, mame, n64 etc.etc) and xbmc.

    Is there any way I can do both of these without resorting to buying two boxes?

  17. Re:For that price... by Gothic_Walrus · · Score: 1
    Why?

    The PS2 has a much larger library and cheaper games for it. The DS can provide some experiences the PS2 can't, but the opposite is also true - try DDR, any of the EyeToy games, or Guitar Hero with the DS and see how well that works for you.

    That's not even a valid comparison, really. It's like comparing crayons to ballpoint pens. They both do the same thing on the surface, but beyond that...there's not really they've got in common.

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  18. If you need to save more money to get more sex by dyoung9090 · · Score: 1

    then something tells me your girlfriend isn't as satisfied as you'd like to think. Then again, the fact that she's your girlfriend tells me that.

    1. Re:If you need to save more money to get more sex by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

      I'm just saying that taking a trip to Vancouver where we will do the obvious is a much better use of my money than on tech I don't need to overpay for.

      Now, for you, perhaps you find that overspending on tech helps you in that regards, I really don't know. Each consumer has to decide where to spend his or her own limited resources.

      For example, if you were Bill G, spending $5 million to get a really cool tech device is about what you made by thinking about it, so it's a reasonable amount of money to spend.

      Your mileage may vary ... especially if you're metric.

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  19. Xbox is the money loser by Nazmun · · Score: 1

    The ps2 despite being extremely expensive to manufacture initially due to the size fo the main chips has been profitable from purely a hardware standpoint after the first 2 million units were shipped. The software sale is where the bulk of the profits came from and it was great enough to have a large impact on sony's bottomline.

    The xbox on the other hand has been bleeding tons of cash. I don't think it's ever had a profitable quarter and they've lost up to one billion per year.

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