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eSATA External Storage Drive Reviewed

Tom's Hardware has a practical look at an eSATA drive offering from Taiwanese storage firm Thecus. From the article: "Thecus' N2050 is one of the first external twin-drive RAID boxes that uses eSATA. As expected, its performance was far better than what USB 2.0 offers. The end result is impressive. The date transfer rate of 30 MB/s that USB 2.0 offers does indeed pale in comparison to 100 MB/s for eSATA, while the WD1500 drives are capable of delivering even better performance in RAID 0. It is also good to see that Thecus did not throw the USB 2.0 interface away, because it is a nice backup interface whenyou want to use the device with other computers via USB 2.0."

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  1. Meant for whom? by Jordan+Catalano · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Most users do one of two things when their PC runs out of hard disk space: they either add an additional drive or rely on external storage with a USB 2.0 or Firewire connection. However, both options have their disadvantages, since installing a new drive can be a cumbersome process, while external hard drives do not offer the same level of performance as that of directly attached Serial ATA (SATA) or UltraATA."

    And why does the type of home user who shuns opening his or her case need mind-blowing performance? I just don't see who this product is for. There are already sollutions available for those concerned with either performance or ease-of-install.

    1. Re:Meant for whom? by jonnythan · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It's sure as heck nice to have both.

      A lot of technically inclined people, myself included, use an external hard drive for backup purposes. It would be really nice to cut the time needed to perform a full backup in half.

      Just because it's easy and portable doesn't make it for the non-techs only.

    2. Re:Meant for whom? by detritus` · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Those of us who dont happen to have any room left in the case for new HDs seems to be a potential use. Or as a a portable boot up device for those who have to use multiple machines. Or those who would rather buy an external device without sacrificing the speed of an internal device.

    3. Re:Meant for whom? by ToxikFetus · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This could be beneficial for locales that deal with high-security information. Many offices cleared at a U.S. Secret level (or higher) must lock all classified materials in a safe at night. Therefore, USB/Firewire hard drives are used all over the place to store sensitive data. To be able to get SATA performance out of a relatively cheap external drive would be a boon for these offices.

    4. Re:Meant for whom? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Two words: Laptop users.

      The internal 2.5" drives on most laptops are too small and too slow for video editing, so I have a pair of external FireWire 800 disks. These give me much better performance than the internal disk. eSATA will be a huge improvement because it gives me:

      • About the same speed, and
      • Doesn't have the ability to do daisy-chaining.
      Umm, why are people trying to replace FW800 with eSATA again?
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    5. re: Meant for whom? by lax-goalie · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And why does the type of home user who shuns opening his or her case need mind-blowing performance?

      And why do you assume that an user who requires an external drive is a "home user who shuns opening his or her case"? Poppycock.

      Scenario 1: All the drive bays in your machine are full, and Firewire's too slow because you move big files around.

      Scenario 2: The data on the drive needs to go somewhere else.

      My desktop drive bays are full, but for me, I see this as a great replacement for backup tape drives, w/o having to sacrifice throughput. Assuming that the enclosure will fit in a safety deposit box, a couple of these could replace my current network backup hardware.

    6. Re:Meant for whom? by Sylver+Dragon · · Score: 2, Informative

      There are areas which need this. I support GIS(Geospatial Information Systems) users. It's not uncommon for one of my users to need access to a 20GB raster image. Then they load a 100GB LIDAR raster on top of that. Which sounds fine, just put it on the SAN, and we're happy. Then they will ask for access to that data while in the field, with their laptop.
      Sure, a USB drive works, but when you are talking about 100's of gigs of data, and everytime they pan around the map a chunk of it is going to be pulled off the drive again, speed makes a difference.
      That said, this is the first I've really read about eSATA. I somehow expect thought that I will have a few users ask about it soon.

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    7. Re:Meant for whom? by drsmithy · · Score: 2, Insightful
      And why does the type of home user who shuns opening his or her case need mind-blowing performance?

      I don't shun opening my case, however, with 18 drives in it already it's physically incapable of holding any more - and I still have three 100Mhz, 64-bit PCI-X slots free.

      More importantly, I'd prefer to pay $hundreds for some small, quiet, multi-drive eSATA enclosure than $thousands for a huge, noisy server chassis capable of holding more drives requiring the inconvenience and risk of relocating the internals of an entire machine.

    8. Re:Meant for whom? by Solder+Fumes · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Just because it's easy and portable doesn't make it for the non-techs only.

      In fact, that's what makes tech cheaper for us...it's the rest of the non-techs buying a new computer whenever theirs is "broken" from too much spyware, or needs a little more RAM. If everyone bought PC hardware only when needed and jealously guarded every CPU cycle, PCs would still be as expensive as they were 20 years ago.

    9. Re: Meant for whom? by xtracto · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I am in a kind of third category.

      I have been looking for a RAID solution that can be plugged into my notebook. I would like to have a RAID 0 or RAID 0+1 (but It would be nice if I could get RAID 5) unit that I could plug into my system maybe using a PCMCIA RAID controller card (although I do not know if that is even possible).

      It seems (doh, I just made a google and found a possible answer) that there are eSata PCMCIA adapters that do RAID 0,1.

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  2. eSATA enclosures by c_g_hills · · Score: 5, Interesting

    eSATA enclosures have been around for a while. The larger ones tend to have a port multiplier built in, which lets you use up to 5 drives with a single channel. This is the one I am after, but sadly the company will not ship to the UK.

    http://www.cooldrives.com/mac-port-multiplier-sata -case.html

  3. eSATA drawbacks by Ice+Wewe · · Score: 4, Informative
    eSATA seems to be the new buzz word in computing these days. The only problem is, that you're forced to use USB 2.0 or Ethernet to access the drive because very few motherboards are equipped with eSATA connectors. eSATA connectors have the same pins at the regular SATA connectors, but have different male and female connectors. Thus, although it may seem convient, if you really want to get full performence out of the drive, you'll have to buy one of the few motherboards that sports an eSATA port.

    Also, mentioned in the article... the SATA bus boasts a wonderful 3Gb/s (or 300MB/s). This however, is not the bottle neck when it comes to performence. As the article mentions, the top SATA drives on the market today only get about 85MB/s read/write to the disk. So although you may get 300MB/s from the disk cache, and the controller, you'll never really get 300MB/s. Still, it's miles from Ultra-ATA.

    1. Re:eSATA drawbacks by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 4, Informative

      Surprisingly, the eSATA connector doesn't need to be on the "motherboard". There are brackets that adapt the internal connectors to the card slot openings in the back. There are plenty of SATA and SATA RAID adapters with back port connectors for this very purpose so when you max out the internal bays, you can go external.

    2. Re:eSATA drawbacks by Kjella · · Score: 3, Informative

      Or you can use the included eSATA card (yes, Thecus is aware most don't have that port). Furthermore, USB2/Firewire IS a bottleneck both in sustained and burst speed. And for video editing, notice that while the top speed is quite limited by the Thecus unit, the minimum sustained speed is very very close to an internal drive. I was considering getting one earlier but found a most unimpressive hard disk compatibility list and forum posts about incompatible drives. That made me go with a LaCie with disks already installed instead. Maybe next time...

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    3. Re:eSATA drawbacks by bobbutts · · Score: 2, Interesting

      3Gb/s is wrong
      3Gb/s = 3 Gigabits per second = 384 MB/s = 384 MegaBytes per second
      The spec is:
      300 MB/s = 300 MegaBytes per second = 2.344 Gb/s = 2.344 Gigabits per second
      Spec: http://www.sata-io.org/esata.asp
      Calculator

  4. Easy TiVo expansion by pjcreath · · Score: 4, Informative

    The upcoming (high def) TiVo Series 3 has an e-SATA port. Adding more recording space will be a whole lot easier than it was before, especially for the less adventurous folks.

  5. D-cinema needs this, for starters. by adamgeek · · Score: 2, Informative

    do we really need anything that goes faster?

    As someone who works in the realm of digital cinema, I can state unequivocally that "we" (those of us working within the context of d-cinema) definitely do. In fact, I was in LA last week to preview a prototype uncompressedHD recorder that used e-sata based storage expansion. But back to the raw numbers-- even if you're just using e-sata as an archiving interface (which it would be very convenient for), you'll need to move your footage to the devices in as close to realtime as possible. A 2k frame (2048x1556) will run 12MB (approx).. x24 (frames per sec).. 288MB/second bandwidth needed for uncompressed 2k. So yes, we do need faster than USB2.

    Does the average user need this? No. But, if the hardware of a blazingly fast interface could manage to be affordable (and thus suitable to become ubiquitous, unlike previous expensive interfaces.. fiber, etc), it would work just as well for the person backing up photos of their cats as the person moving uncompressed scans of 35mm motion picture film.

  6. whole article ruined on page 6 for me: by sneezinglion · · Score: 2, Interesting

    From the article on page 6: "We were surprised that it is necessary to choose between RAID 0 and RAID 1. RAID 0 will increase performance considerably, but it will put your data at risk, since the data of both drives will be lost if only one fails. If RAID 1 is selected, data is mirrored onto both drives, but the net capacity is split in half. A just a bunch of drives (JBOD would be a suitable alternative, because it spans data across both drives. If one fails, the data on the second drive can be recovered." I am confused where they think the redundancy is on jbod?

    1. Re:whole article ruined on page 6 for me: by HardCase · · Score: 3, Informative

      Gotta read it literally. No mention of redundancy. Of course, the missing (but, I guess, implied) extra sentence telling us that "only" half of our data would be gone wouldn't have killed them.

  7. you're missing the point by RelliK · · Score: 4, Informative
    Also, mentioned in the article... the SATA bus boasts a wonderful 3Gb/s (or 300MB/s). This however, is not the bottle neck when it comes to performence. As the article mentions, the top SATA drives on the market today only get about 85MB/s read/write to the disk. So although you may get 300MB/s from the disk cache, and the controller, you'll never really get 300MB/s. Still, it's miles from Ultra-ATA.

    It is true that a single drive cannot saturate the SATA channel. (85MB/s is actually a _very_ generous estimate. Typical performance is closer to 50-60MB/s). So, SATA certainly doesn't need more bandwidth in the near future. However, for eSATA, the extra bandwidth is _very_ useful. It would allow manufacturers to produce RAIDs with eSATA ports instead of SCSI or FC. (Right now, you still need a SCSI or FC card if you want to get any sort of performance). This would effectively commoditise the low-end RAID market, which is a very welcome development.

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  8. Yet another review stating an incorrect fact by this+great+guy · · Score: 3, Informative

    Every single review of storage technologies I have read in the past 2 years state at least one (IMHO very important) incorrect fact. This is no exception with this one:

    Page 2: "The fastest 3.5" SATA drives do not exceed 85 MB/s. A data transfer rate of 300 MB/s between a PC and a SATA drive cannot thus be matched by the speed of a SATA drive." Yes it can. When data is exchanged to/from the disk's cache, data throughput of 250+ MB/s can be achieved for a fraction of a second. Even if it's only for a fraction of a second, it is still important (else manufacturers would not even put cache memory on disks).

    1. Re:Yet another review stating an incorrect fact by this+great+guy · · Score: 2, Informative

      It is important in scenarios where a lot of small burst transfers happen almost all the time, like on a busy file server. In this case switching from 150 MB/s sata links to 300 MB/s ones will reduce the PCI/PCI-X/PCI-e bus utilization. Here is a realistic example: each 160 ms, a block of 8 MB of data needs to be sent to a sata disk, that means on average 6.25 blocks are sent per second (1000 / 160).

      • If a 150 MB/s sata link is used, a practical 120+ MB/s burst data transfer rate can be achieved, which means the data block would be transferred in about 67 ms (8 / 120 * 1000). Since 6.25 blocks need to be sent per second, a total of 419 ms (67 * 6.25) is spent doing the transfer from RAM, over the PCI/PCI-X/PCI-e bus, over the sata link, and to the disk. The bus utilization is about 41.9 %.
      • If a 300 MB/s sata link is used, a practical 240+ MB/s burst data transfer rate can be achieved, which means the data block would be transferred in about 33 ms (8 / 240 * 1000). Since 6.25 blocks need to be sent per second, a total of 206 ms (33 * 6.25) is spent doing the transfer from RAM, over the PCI/PCI-X/PCI-e bus, over the sata link, and to the disk. The bus utilization is about 20.6 %.

      In this example, using 300 MB/s sata links reduced the PCI/PCI-X/PCI-e bus utilization from 41.9 % to 20.6 %. Which is important in case other devices need to use it (e.g. network cards in a file server, etc).

      Please note that in the case of the slowest bus (PCI 32-bit 33 MHz), this example doesn't make sense because a 150 MB/s sata link (120 MB/s practical data throughput) already fully saturates the bus. The example remains valid for any other case (PCI 66 MHz, or PCI-X, or PCI-e).

  9. Why do reviewer's speculate? by daivzhavue · · Score: 2, Insightful
    From pg 5
    It is interesting to note that Thecus uses a PCI Express slot to connect the drive cage to the controller PCB. If the device will one day become an NAS system , all Thecus has to do is exchange the controller board with the NAS version, which carries a network port instead of the eSATA connector.
    Or MAYBE... they just used an off the shelf part to connect two boards together because the parts were cheap and didn't require any new fabrication. I have a docking station that uses an "AGP Slot" to connect two PCI slots plus some misc connections at a right angle to the main board. Do I think I can add remove the PCI Slots and actually install an AGP video card? C'mon people. Quit talking about things you have no idea about. Its articles like this that remind me why I don't read Tom's.
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  10. Re:Is it reliable? by Dolda2000 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    You're extremely unlikely to get any 3x speed improvement anyway. Sure, S-ATA may be able to sustain a much larger bandwidth than USB2 (although even then, 3 times USB2 seems very much... last I read, USB2 is clocked to 480 Mbps, i.e. 60 MBps), but to begin with, most hard drives can read no more than 60 MBps sustained.

    Most importantly, however, during normal usage, most idle time to due hard drive latency isn't spent waiting for the hard drive to transfer the data off the platters, but waiting for the head arm to seek to the right cylinder. Seek time ain't going to be reduced just by switching to another bus interface.

  11. Umm, why eSATA, just use SATA by Anubis333 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I have a PCMCIA SATA card on my laptop and get 85MB/sec on it. The PCMCIA card is basically an SATA adapter, then i plug in an external SATA HD. It completely blows away firewire; why do we need a new standard? Check out the cards here.

  12. Who Cares? by MeBadMagic · · Score: 2, Funny

    Who cares about the "date" transfer rate anyway. Doesn't take much to say today, or yesterday, even with a floppy!

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    1. Re:Who Cares? by TeknoHog · · Score: 2, Funny
      Who cares about the "date" transfer rate anyway.

      Moreover, who on Slashdot has ever had a "date" to transfer?

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  13. Re:Is it reliable? by Dolda2000 · · Score: 2, Informative
    Most importantly, however, during normal usage, most idle time to due hard drive latency isn't spent waiting for the hard drive to transfer the data off the platters, but waiting for the head arm to seek to the right cylinder. Seek time ain't going to be reduced just by switching to another bus interface.
    Sorry to be replying to my own post, but looking at THG's IOMeter benchmarks, my theory seems to be verifiable.

    • File server scenario: eSATA performance is above USB2, but at most points only very slightly.
    • Web server scenario: Performance of eSATA and USB2 is virtually identical.
    • Database scenario: eSATA is slight better than USB2. Interestingly, though, RAID1 is a lot better than RAID0.
    • Workstation scenario: Fluctuates greatly. At some points, eSATA even performs worse than USB2.
  14. Power brick? ugh.. by yem · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What a pity they couldn't engineer a power rail into the eSATA spec.

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  15. No. by DrYak · · Score: 2, Informative
    To be able to do IP over a bus, this bus must accept multiple "hosts" (multiple controllers on the same bus).
    Usually, if a bus can accept multiple PCs, or even no PC at all, it's a good sign. If a bus is a 1PC + Multiple Peripheral topology, you're sure i'll probably NOT support IP.

    Able to do IP :
    • FireWire : can do IP. A FireWire bus can support multiple hosts or no hosts at all.
    • SCSI : can do IP. The bus it self is just a bunch of numbered SCSI device talking to each other. So IP is possible as long drivers for controller can do both HOST (controller talks to other targets - your normal everyday controller mode) and TARGET mode (controller can accept input from other hosts - like normal SCSI devices like CD-Roms, etc... do). There are some patch on the internet.
    • Bluetooth : Are devices are equal (no host/target distinction). IP is possible as long as each device advertises some Bluetooth Network Profile.


    Unable to do IP :
    • usb : only a single host that manage devices connected to it. (In PC-2-PC usb connection cable, this is circumvented by having each side see a USB device advertised as a "USB Network device". But the two busses aren't interconnected - Also some device like PDA and Photo camera can switch between being an USB peripheral, when connected to a PC. or a USB host, when connected to a printer) That's also why I don't like it as much as FireWire.
    • SATA, ATA, etc. : 1 host controlling 1 or more peripherals. Can't do IP per se. Could be circumvented like USB (although nobody is doing "ATA Network devices" anymore sinces the old days of 16bit PCMCIA and CompactFlash network adapters)
    • MIDI, i2c, etc. : can have multiple device talking to each other (see MIDIMaze), but bus speed makes them unusable


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  16. Been there, done better by billcopc · · Score: 3, Insightful

    eSATA is cute and all, but nothing's ever stopped me from routing regular SATA cables out the back of the case, to a nice external hot-swap drive tower. Many higher-end motherboards even come with a little bracket for external SATA ports. While I understand that eSATA is somewhat improved for signal integrity and ease of use (grippy connectors), it doesn't seem like such a big deal to me. I haven't seen a single motherboard with eSATA yet, though some "platinum edition" boards do have a true SATA jack on the backplane. If you want both simplicity and speed. For idiot-proof simplicity there's the ubiquitous USB. For speed there's the real SATA. Is there really anything in between that needs eSATA at all ?

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