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Xbox 360 Doesn't Want To Be Hardcore

An anonymous reader writes "CNET.com.au has just posted an interview with Microsoft Game Studio head Shane Kim. The head games exec for the Xbox 360 admits he wants the console to be more family friendly (read: more like Nintendo and Sony). From the article: 'The positioning of the platform is very different now. We were so paranoid that people knew the Xbox was a hardcore gaming machine in the first generation that we really alienated, or closed off, a lot of our opportunity.'"

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  1. No Problem! by Recovering+Hater · · Score: 2, Funny

    Don't worry Microsoft - we never thought it was! (*snare roll**high hat*) Thank You! Thank you Slashdot! I'll be here all week.

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  2. Price? by HTTP+Error+403+403.9 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The head games exec for the Xbox 360 admits he wants the console to be more family friendly.
    Lower the price. $299 - $399 for a console isn't family friendly.
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  3. No kidding by Mille+Mots · · Score: 4, Insightful
    My wife pointed out that the 360 was a poor choice for a 'family gaming system' as there were no games geared for kids of about six years old. As surprised as I was that she even knew what a 360 was, let alone what titles were available, she has a point. She actually suggested waiting for the PS3 release.

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    1. Re:No kidding by babbling · · Score: 2, Informative

      Is the PS2 that much better for kids than an Xbox? I imagine they both have some kids games, but the games are generally of poor quality.

      I'd say Nintendo is the way to go if you want games for kids. Mario games appeal to players of any age, and kids tend to love Mario games. Mario games also tend to be excellent games.

    2. Re:No kidding by Total_Wimp · · Score: 2, Informative

      The Playstation series doesn't exactly have a great history of providing games for young kids either. If you want a game system to appeal to the whole family if you have young children, the best bet would probably be the Nintendo Revolution.

      Why wait, how about the GameCube? Or the N64? Or a PacMan game-in-a-joystick?

      Seriously, 6-year-olds don't really care that much about the latest thing. They like video games, but if left to themselves I think it's about as likely they'd go for the PacMan as the revolution.

      All this is out the window if they have teenage siblings. If they have siblings, they immediatly like whatever the sibling plays.

      What about something the whole family will enjoy? I'll ask you this, have you ever been part of a 4+ person family and tried to order pizza? Sounds easy, but it can be hell. Everyone has a different favorite pizza joint and wants different toppings. You will never make everyone completely satisfied with a single choice. The only options are to accept that some family members will not be fully satisfied, or order more than one.

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    3. Re:No kidding by zerocool^ · · Score: 3, Informative


      Katamari Damacy.

      Not to mention, if you're looking to go old skool, your PS2 will still play spyro.

      Plus... Jak and dexter. They may not be games for 6 year olds, but I don't remember anything in Jak II that a 3rd or 4th grader couldn't handle. Nothing that I hadn't seen in Battletoads or Ninja Gaiden or Bionic Commando. Well, except boobs, but they're clothed, and they're going to see worse than that on the 6 o'clock news.

      Oh, and that brings me to things like Tony Hawk (which is admittedly also available on the gamecube). THPS is kid friendly.

      So, yeah, there are good games for kids on playstation.

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    4. Re:No kidding by vertinox · · Score: 2, Informative

      She actually suggested waiting for the PS3 release.

      Why not get the Nintendo DS?

      Pretty much all the games are rated Teen or less and are pretty simple for any kid (or adult) to pickup and learn to play in less than 5 minutes.

      I'm having a blast with mine. Tetris DS is way too fun!

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    5. Re:No kidding by Fiver- · · Score: 3, Insightful
      They may not be games for 6 year olds, but I don't remember anything in Jak II that a 3rd or 4th grader couldn't handle. Nothing that I hadn't seen in ... Bionic Commando


      Yeah, but did Jak have Hitler's head exploding at the end of the game?


      Best NES game evar.

    6. Re:No kidding by bubblewrapgrl · · Score: 2, Informative

      Several people have already pointed out that the Nintendo Revolution or the GameCube might be a better choice based on the games. I'm inclined to agree. Another reason that it's a better choice is based on the size of the controllers. The GameCube controllers are much smaller than the PS2 controllers and are a lot more intuitive to use. Also, the "A" button is the primary button for most games, so it's actually bigger than the rest of the buttons. This makes it a lot easier for younger kids to learn to use them.

  4. Wierd by Kent+Simon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I thought this was Nintendo's strategy. Microsoft pushing for HD, and debuting at 400 bucks, and a huge focus on graphics seems to me 3 very blatant pushes for trying to capture the "hardcore" area.

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    1. Re:Wierd by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually I think their statregy isn't so much to capture the "hardcore" area, but the "media center" area. The 2 aren't mutually exclusive, of course, but I think what they're trying to do is aim for a level of ubiquity beyond what you'd expect from a game machine.

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    2. Re:Wierd by porcupine8 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, yes, that was exactly their strategy. Until Nintendo announced *their* strategy. Then suddenly MS decided that they want a cut of the un-gaming masses as well. Look for a string of crappy movie/Cartoon Network/Nickelodeon licensed platformers, coming to a 360 near you! "Family friendly" is code for "we know what animated characters your children can identify with more accuracy than their own grandparents."

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  5. Starting w/ the Formfactor in retrospective by kisrael · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Xbox was an interesting lesson in a lot of ways.

    It really did many things right; I think the controllers were the best from that generation, or at least after the "giant hands" oopsie got fixed.

    And it was a terifically powerful system, and I'm so glad that they're landbreaking moves into online multiplayer didn't stop them from giving full-hearted 4 player support...Sony dropped the ball on both of those, with ad hoc per-game network support, and only 2 controller ports w/o a multitap.

    On the other hand, even from the outset...the form factor was terrible. The sucker was a beast...one of the reasons why the GC is my "travel" system. The original controllers, though some people dig 'em, were also beastly, and didn't you need to buy a remote if you wanted to watch DVDs? That kind of sucked.

    Despite generally having somewhat superior ports of the mainstream games, Xbox relied on its "Killer App" Halo more than the other systems. I enoyed odd PC ports like Crimson Skies and oddball one offs like Fuzion Frenzy...

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  6. "head games" exec by tddoog · · Score: 3, Funny

    Now that is a sweet title. Although, I thought they usually called that "marketing" :)

  7. Re:Xbox is for fratboys...? by Geoffreyerffoeg · · Score: 4, Funny

    Microsoft's history as the provider of all things crass, square, and ugly?

    Nope, that was Sony. The character design in FFX2 was crass and Square...though I'm not sure if "ugly" applies.

  8. Really... by BenHoltz · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If they are trying to be family friendly, they need to become more simple, put in the disk, and play. Seems to me like Microsoft is making yet another PR stunt to gain traction on the 360.

  9. I heard an interesting discussion about this by Dark+Paladin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The discussion was regarding Microsoft's announced intentions to make the Xbox 360 a "mainstream" system, not for "hardcore" gamers at all.

    And yet - they have a $400 console, the games for the system so far are a lot of FPS games, then there's Condemned, and Dead or Alive 4 - all interesting games, but nothing that makes me want to sit down with my 4 year old son and 7 year old daughter and say "Hey, let's play some DOA4, kids! Watch Kasumi's bounce physics!"

    We have started up a game of "Kingdom Heart 2", which we can all enjoy, or Mario 64 DS, or my daughter really likes "Animal Crossing" and wants her own DS someday for "Nintendogs" (which she can only get if she keeps her grades up and does well in her chess club), and my non-gamer wife likes Tetris on the new DS.

    So far, I'd say that if Microsoft intends for the 360 to be a "non-hardcore" system, then so far they're doing a crappy job of it. Right now, it *defines* the hardcore console gamer.

  10. Two ACs answered in one! by Mille+Mots · · Score: 2
    Actually, by way of example, our youngest son is 3.67 years old and has participated in organized tennis for the past year. Additionally, we've had him in 'family swim' and other similar parent(s)+child activities. Our older two sons have been involved in sports since they were quite young. We have a limit of one-hour of {tv, xbox, PS, peecee, GameBoy, PSP, whatever} per day, per child. It seems to work quite well for us.

    I'm not a 'sports nut' kind of guy. I can expound endlessly on the minutiae of systems administration, various languages and even the details of esoteric RFCs. But I couldn't tell you who is playing (or has played if it's over already) in the college basketball championships this year. I did run cross-country and track in junior and senior high school (many moons ago), but sports just don't interest me.

    That, however, doesn't mean I don't encourage my kids to at least try them out, or stick with the ones they like. The subtle insinuation of your comment and the reply to it is that my wife and I are somehow lacking in our parenting skills, and more importantly have little concern for the welfare of our children. I forgive you for the implied insult, however, as I can understand why some leap to such conclusions, even lacking any evidence to support them.

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  11. Re:Xbox is for fratboys...? by Impotent_Emperor · · Score: 2, Funny

    Sounded more like the buttons on a PlayStation controller. Y'know: crass, square, ugly, and triangle.

  12. Re:Xbox is for fratboys...? by mypalmike · · Score: 5, Funny

    Nintendo's for people with good taste and who appreciate the finer things in life.

    Darling, don't forget that after the polo match, we have dinner with the Addisons, then cocktails on the veranda, followed by the fundraiser at the Museum of Modern Art, and then the Pokemon tournament. Don't forget to bring a couple bottles of Dom and the DS.

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  13. Re:Xbox is for fratboys...? by gabebear · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "I mean the PS* was built on sports games."

    not even remotely ass much as the XBox is/was, first person shooters and sports games seem to make up over half of the library for the XBox.

  14. Other Features Important... by RexRhino · · Score: 3, Informative

    I major reason I got an Xbox 360 because I wanted to listen to MP3s and to look at photos on my television. A device to do this is about $200, or for $400 you get the same thing and a new console. The Xbox 360 interfaces seamlessly over the lan between my PC (once you configure it), and it was super easy. I can listen to music from my PC in my office, with a remote control on the stereo in the living room, which is convienient.

    I enjoyed playing games on my 8088 PC back in the day, so no matter what the difference between the next gen consoles are, they are gonna all have fun games to play. The question will be who offers the best secondary features. Xbox 360 is offering integration with your PC, and has Xbox Live Arcade (I enjoy the classic arcade games)... Sony is offering Blue-Ray, so audio/video buffs will be excited for that... It will all depend on secondary features to see who really is the winner, though.

  15. Re:Xbox is for fratboys...? by bherman · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Actually you're pretty dead on. I was a frat boy in school (granted, I went to an engineering oriented school, RPI) but most people had Xboxes because we hooked them up to the house network and played each other in Halo. There is something quite humorous and fun about playing Halo with 15 friends spread out around the house that you don't get by playing with a few in the same room. Since PS2 didn't have the network games setup (not talking about Xbox Live or PS2's equiv) no one really bothered with them.

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  16. Microsoft Seems Adrift In The Console Market? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Does anyone know what the hell Microsoft is trying to do in the console market?

    They are now the only company where you have to pay to play online. There entire online service as a revenue generating machine pretty much looks like a joke now that Sony and Nintendo are providing the same types of services for free.

    They rushed the 360 hardware out the door but clearly still haven't nailed down the manufacturing process with the massive defect problems people are having.

    They talked up the HD era but have no way of outputting 1080p.

    They talked up what a safe long term bet the 360 is but managed to include disc storage that is actually smaller than the first Xbox.

    They talked up the graphic power of the machine but those claims have become a joke.

    And they talk about expanding out of their old demographic and their library of games is almost exactly the same as the first Xbox.

    It's almost like they are actively trying to fuck up across the board in every area of console hardware and software. Every single thing they talk about looks to be the complete opposite in reality. Maybe E3 will turn things around.