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Sun's Scott McNealy's Days are Numbered?

alek writes "The Wall Street Journal writes 'Dusk could be near for Sun's McNealy' where they conjecture that the founder and and CEO of Sun Microsystems might be leaving soon. They suggest that the return of former CFO Michael Lehman and and a more active Board pressing for improved performance could result in COO Jonathan Schwartz taking over the top job. We've heard stories like this for years but Scott has hung in there for a long time - his response to the WSJ was 'That rumor is about 22 years old and still chuggin.'"

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  1. McNealy is selling, what is this telling? by digitaldc · · Score: 2, Informative

    INSIDER & RULE 144 TRANSACTIONS REPORTED - LAST TWO YEARS
    Date Insider Shares Type Transaction Value*

    17-Feb-06 MCNEALY, SCOTT G.
    Chairman 2,400,000 Direct Option Exercise at $3.125 per share. $7,500,000
    17-Feb-06 MCNEALY, SCOTT G.
    Chairman 2,400,000 Direct Sale at $4.30 - $4.37 per share. $10,404,0002
    17-Feb-06 MCNEALY, SCOTT G.
    Chief Executive Officer 2,400,000 Direct Planned Sale $10,344,0001


    Get out while the gettin's good, take the money and run.

    Sun is trading at $5 a share, time to buy? or forgeddaboudit!?

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    1. Re:McNealy is selling, what is this telling? by DustyShadow · · Score: 2, Informative

      Nothing looks shady to me about that. All he did was sell 2,400,000 shares and then rebuy that same amount at his option price. Happens all the time. Check out almost any company and you will see the same thing happening on a regular basis.

    2. Re:McNealy is selling, what is this telling? by zovat · · Score: 2, Insightful

      All it is saying is that he is exercising is option and getting a little extra cash....
      Time to buy I think -
      SUN have always had their critics - they did well in the dotcom boom, and everyone said that they chose the wrong model before it kicked off.
      They have new servers, new chips and an impressive roadmap - I think they have turned a corner.

    3. Re:McNealy is selling, what is this telling? by drix · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Sun is trading at $5 a share, time to buy? or forgeddaboudit!?

      Now's the time to decide--earnings call is on Monday. There are some credible rumors floating around that this will be the first profitable quarter in years. Sun's really revamped their product line in the last 16 months (AMD, Niagara, etc.) and in their last 10-K they mentioned they were actually having a hard time meeting demand. (Apropos the original story, there's also speculation that this would be an ideal note for McNealy to end his career on.)

      If they do end up back in the black, every analyst and his brother will be on CNBC Tuesday morning shouting "Turned the corner!" and I think it would cause some major institutional buyers to jump back in. Unlike the run-up last month which got subsequently iced due to profit taking, the big guys would be in it for the long haul, creating a new support. $5.50 or maybe even $6? I haven't done the math.

      And I feel like this possiblity hasn't been fully capitalized in to the current price--I'm really surprised how little talk there is about SUNW on the boards, newswires, or the Street. A lot of people seem to have written it off as a sad relic of the dot-com era. I think they're missing out on two key points: 1) how revolutionary and unique these new UltraSparc T1s are, especially for those serving up huge amounts of online content (ie everyone) or who are worried about energy costs (ie everyone), and 2) how much brand equity "Sun Microsystems" carries among a whole generation of 25+ year old geeks who grew up worshipping that awesome UltraSparc workstation in the server room/lab/etc (like everyone at Google, for one.)

      To the extent that it's even possible nowadays, I feel like SUNW has been slipping under the radar for the last couple months.

      P.S. I am quite obviously long on this stock, so if course it's in my best interest to convince you of all this :-)

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    4. Re:McNealy is selling, what is this telling? by Znork · · Score: 2, Interesting

      'how much brand equity "Sun Microsystems" carries among a whole generation of 25+ year old geeks'

      Unfortunately, most of that brand equity has been eaten away by half a decade during which you'd rather be compiling on your desktop than on the server, and trying to answer embarrasing questions why the devs get better performance out of their java code on their laptop than on the expensive app server.

      You know, five years ago those 25+ yearers would form a queue when machines got decommissioned and handed out. These days you'd have to pay people to take them.

  2. Oh my. by SteeldrivingJon · · Score: 4, Funny


    Replacing McNealy with Schwartz would be like performing a brain transplant in which a poorly functioning brain is replaced with a kidney.

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  3. Whay about Ray? by Serapth · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Seriously, Ray Ozzie ( of Lotus fame ) has serious power at Microsoft. He is definatly a man of vision, the question is, do you agree with his vision. My understanding is the work he was doing at Groove was quite impressive, plus Microsoft basically bought groove to get this guy on board.

    Of all the people listed, I would rather have him running the show.

  4. Might not be bad, if its true? by gentimjs · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I know he isnt popular with the /. crowd, but Schwartz -IS- popular with the Fortune500 CEO crowd... I've seen the guy work a room, he comes across very charismatically (way WAY more than McNealy ever has) and the dumb PHB/CxO types seem to really take an interest in what he's saying.
    Now, I'm no fanboy of either one, but McNealy is probably better suited to chair thier R&D or something than he is to being CEO these days. Schwartz at least would put a more energetic face on the company and (one could hope) re-vitalize thier core competancies.
    Now, I know im dreaming, but maybe of McNealy got out of the top slot, Sun could/would FINALLY ditch thier 4000% margin policy and start selling crap that I (me personally, or the company I work for) could actually afford to buy!

    1. Re:Might not be bad, if its true? by gentimjs · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Ive talked with Schwartz about this semi-directly (in a webchat of about 15 people), and explained that all the sun (specifically, all the sparc) hardware me and my company own is -all- purchased second hand off of ebay. Servers and desktops. The prices are simply too high. He seemed to understand, and pointed out that from his desk the big challenge was developing a sub-$1000 sparc system to the economy-of-scale where they could make cash from it enough to justify the investment. I can understand this, but I really would like to see them take the concept they started with the SB1500/2500 where they were pc-ish systems that just happened to be sparc. What I'd -really- like to see is a Sparc powered desktop (Fujitsu Sparc64 VI anyone?) with a pci-express subsystem, ddr2 ram, sata, and the capability to take "off the shelf" pc componants (like vid card, and such) .... but I know im dreaming :-(
      Schwartz did seem to get the point that developing a "whitebox" market would be a good thing. I'm wondering what/who has held him back?

  5. Re:Sun makes great hardware... by prefect42 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    No, remember SGI just recently shifted to Linux...

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  6. Money men by FishandChips · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This article is from Wall Street, nb. What it seems to be saying is that a lot of Wall Street brokers would do very nicely out of a share price rise if Mr McNealy stepped down. Well, they would say that wouldn't they? What the article does not mention at all is a credible strategy to secure Sun's future prosperity, if one can be found. Without that, it doesn't matter whether McNealy, Schwartz or for that matter Donald Duck is at the helm.

    Just my 2 cents, but whatever you think of him Scott McNealy is a colourful and entertaining character in an industry of direly grey men. I'd be sorry to see him go, at least until he'd found a new home for Sun as it is hard to see how it can continue on its own for that much longer.

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  7. Re:Sun's days Are Numbered by slowbad · · Score: 2, Funny
    Sun's days are numbered? So start counting, with today as 1 and tomorrow #2.

    Scott McNealy's days at Sun are numbered 8001 with tomorrow being #8002.

  8. Re:Sun makes great hardware... by jadavis · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I suggest you actually look at Solaris. There are some amazing capabilities in there way ahead of Linux.

    ZFS is a filesystem that can do raid5-like storage or mirrors. Filesystems can share a common storage pool. You can make snapshots instantly, and at any time you want you can roll back to that snapshot (transactions). Everything about it is very cool, check it out.

    DTrace is also amazing. You can observe almost anything about a running program with negligable performance impact. It will break the information down for you statistically so you can tell that, for example, 1% of the time a given function call takes 1000 times longer than average.

    It's also got containers and zones, and a service manager.

    I have been using Linux and FreeBSD for a long time. I am just getting interested in Solaris, and I am very impressed.

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  9. Re:Sun makes great hardware... by htd2 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Sun are unlikely to drop Solaris, it is and for the most part always has been their crown jewels.

    It would be difficult to find a OS that on a capability by capability approaches Solaris as a server platform. dtrace, SMF, zones, fireengine, great scalability, good enough HCL.

    However I can understand a Linux advocate wanting Sun to drop Solaris, it is the closest and best competitor to Linux.

    A large number of big commercial companies that were early adopters of Linux are now looking long and hard at Solaris x86. Its fast, cheaper than Linux, OpenSource if they want to tick that box and it runs on pretty much all the hardware that they deployed Linux on.

    Some have jumped allready.

  10. Their management needs a lot of change by MikeRT · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They've been so obsessed with Microsoft that they failed to see that their biggest threat was IBM. Sun could have easily come in and preempted IBM by making the transition to OpenSolaris sooner, heavily supporting Linux in a real way earlier and making a name for itself in open source sooner. Imagine if they'd started 7-8 years ago with supporting PostgreSQL on their systems and actively developing it into something that was a quality part of their software stack (not saying it's a bad DB). How about if they'd done the official port of Java to Linux, instead of making Blackdown do work on it until Linux became too strong to ignore?

    Their leaders are arrogant and resistant to change. That's a bad combination when you're in a competitive field where swallowing your pride and accomodating your users is the most important way of making money.

  11. McNealy aside, rest of Sun is poorly executing by wsanders · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Sun is a shadow of its former self and it doesn't have to do with McNealy, except to the extent that he could make the rounds and "moticate" people. Personally:

    - Tried to call Sun 4 times to get quotes for hardware and support contracts. Did not get hold of a human, phone system made me leave messages each time. No one ever returned my calls.

    - All Sun's patches, and their treasure trove of support information, SunSolve, is behind a paid firewall now, and you need to buy a support contract to get access. See item above. Why not just a support subscription I can charge to my credit card. Zillions of people would probably pay $500 per year for that. I would, gladly.

    - We bought several of the new X4100 boxes. Nicely designed, but serial console management did not work in Solaris 10 (or else required a fistful of undocumented hacks), and the LOM remote console was buggy and crashed a couple of times, requiring a system power cycle. We sent the servers back.

    - It takes me twice as long to build any OSS on Solaris - no one is really developing on it consistently. Ever tried building Firefox on Solaris?

    Basically, this is all execution. It's just easier to buy something other than a Sun. If need a Web server, I can have a Linux host installed and up from CDROM in 15 min, 45 min if I care about building the absolute latest version of Apache or an obscure Apache module.

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  12. Scott never gives up by AlexOsadzinski · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I worked for Sun for 7 years, some of that time at VP level, so I got to know Scott, and work with/for him. He taught me an important lesson: never, ever, give up. There were at least two occasions when I was sent out to fight "hopeless" battles for Sun against the arrayed masses of competition. He pushed hard to not give up in the face of impossible odds, and we won.

    He never gives up.

    It's very easy to armchair quarterback what Sun and Scott have been doing this past decade or so. Whenever I find myself wondering why my SUNW shares aren't worth a tenth of what I paid for them, I'm tempted to think of how I could run the company better than Scott. And then I realize that my puny mind can't come up with anything. The company generates cash, employs a lot of people and satisfies a lot of customers. Scott's never been afraid to remake the company (I lived through the transition from technical workstations to commercial servers and that was quite something), but there's only so much that you can do.

    I have no clue what's going on inside the company now but, of one thing I'm sure: if Scott does step aside, it's because he thinks that it's the best thing for the company. He's given everything to it for over 20 years, and could easily have taken the "go lie on a beach" path years and years ago.

  13. Re:Sun makes great hardware... by JPriest · · Score: 2, Informative
    People tend to think Linux is free like beer for the Enterprize market also, but in reality it is hardly feee. Red Hat Enterprise Linux AS starts at $1499.

    But to play devils advocate for a bit, the free like beer "download editions" for most Linux distros have left a larger market of Linux admins to hire from. We are a mixed shop but most of the "new" guys into out Linux/UNIX deparment tend to prefer Linux becasue that is what they know. Everytime we lose an old Solaris guy, we get a new Linux guy. I don't think the days ahead are going to get any easier for Sun.

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  14. Re:Also available on Linux by jadavis · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There is a lot of work going on to make Solaris and Linux work well together. You can use zones to set up linux on a Solaris box, but I'm a little unclear on the details. I'll be checking that out soon though.

    I think the porting of ZFS would be reasonable to do, but I'm sure it would take some work.

    DTrace seems like it would require a LOT of work. All the work of DTrace was not the userspace application, but all of the hooks added into the OS at every level. So basically it would be repeating all the work on Linux rather than merely a port.

    The main thing to take note of is that Sun is actually innovating. There's a lot of actual research being done on the OS kernel itself, which not too many companies are taking seriously. Linux is great, but I don't think it's going to make Solaris obsolete any time soon. There are also some major differences in overall design philosophy.

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