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Colbert New Comic-in-Chief

scottzak writes "Hail to the Chief! Stephen Colbert addressed the White House Correspondents Dinner Saturday (attended by the President, the elite of Washington politics, and the White House Press Corps) and told the truth. Jaws dropped. Eyes popped. The live audience gasped. Scalia laughed his ass off. You want to see a brilliant comic display some real courage? Look no further. Enjoy the reaction shots, and Colbert's audition for Press Secretary job." The BBC covers the act just prior to Mr. Colbert's, where the President and a look-alike took turns making fun of his speaking skills.

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  1. Poor Colbert? by crazyjeremy · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I find it odd that the only people in politics that "say it how it is" can be found on the comedy channel. It's almost... funny.

    What's sad is, once he does say it how it is, he loses the room...

    1. Re:Poor Colbert? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      When there's more news content on Colbert/Daily Show than on the evening newscast, which is more dead, journalism or irony?

    2. Re:Poor Colbert? by Yst · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I think Jon Stewart and Tucker Carlson cut to the heart of the matter in their famous exchange. Namely, when Carlson seemed to attempt to challenge Stewart on the basis of the contention that his comedy show had journalistic standards no better than those of mainstream journalism:

      CARLSON: You had John Kerry on your show and you sniff his throne and you're accusing us of partisan hackery?

      STEWART: You're on CNN. The show that leads into me is puppets making crank phone calls. What is wrong with you?


      and

      STEWART: If you want to compare your show to a comedy show, you're more than welcome to ... If that's your goal ... I wouldn't aim for us. I'd aim for "Seinfeld." That's a very good show.

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    3. Re:Poor Colbert? by arivanov · · Score: 4, Informative

      Neither. Reality

      By the way, as I am in old foggy Blighty I did not see it, but here is the full transcript: http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/4/30/1441/59811 .

      And all I can say, applause, applause...

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    4. Re:Poor Colbert? by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 5, Insightful
      if anyone is "hurting america", it is stewart, for implying that any media source a responsibility to do anything other than report whatever they want.

      Inherently contradictory. If any media source has no responsibility to do anything other than report whatever they want, then as a media source, Jon Stewart has no responsibility to do anything other than report whatever he wants, including the idea that media sources have responsibility to do things other than report whatever they want.

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    5. Re:Poor Colbert? by The+Snowman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The United States is too large with too many things going on at once for us to educate ourselves. I for one am not about to move to Washington, D.C. and spend my time listening to Congressional briefings, White House press conferences, etc. to hear news from the horse's mouth. I have a family and a job. I rely on the news media to present information to me that I do not have time to collect for myself.

      The important thing is to learn how to read and to listen. I read multiple news sources, even the same story (which often is rehashed AP stuff, but can have a different slant). While I am reading I am thinking critically, asking myself questions: sure, the article says point A, but I think there's a valid counterpoint B: what are the facts here? Often enough, by reading carefully from multiple sources, I can piece together the whole picture. Another thing I've noticed is journalists like to slant the first sentence or paragraph heavily, setting the reader up to a particular point of view. Be careful with that. Another thing is often those counterpoints that might just break the whole article are left to the last paragraph. They can claim journalistic integrity by keeping it in there, but this has two effects. First, not everyone reads the whole article. If they do, they get the idea that since it's so far down it isn't important or maybe not even valid.

      Don't blame the media for biased reporting, or the people for not speaking up. Blame people who trust blindly and don't learn proper communication skills. Reading and listening are far more important than writing and speaking, and in some ways, far more difficult.

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    6. Re:Poor Colbert? by dubl-u · · Score: 4, Insightful

      we are the ones who are responsible for educating ourselves!

      This is true.

      chewing out carlson just continues the idea that we are not to blame. [...] if anyone is "hurting america", it is stewart, for implying that any media source a responsibility to do anything other than report whatever they want.

      That's ridiculous. The Crossfire guys weren't presenting themselves as entertainers; they were allegedly trying to do a serious political show. However, Stewart's critique was that it was fake journalism, a hypocritical farce. I grant that consumers should eat Doritos responsibly, but that doesn't mean that Frito Lay can say that they fill your fruits and vegetables requirement.

    7. Re:Poor Colbert? by schtum · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, they're right. He did outsider jokes. So outsiders, such as ourselves, ate it up while the insiders squirmed uncomfortably in their seats. He basically stood up there and told everyone in the room that they suck at their jobs, and then proved it by providing more insight in 10 minutes of comededic monologue than most of the people in that room have given us in their entire careers.

    8. Re:Poor Colbert? by pjgeer · · Score: 4, Funny

      I read multiple news sources, even the same story ... While I am reading I am thinking critically, asking myself questions... Often enough, by reading carefully from multiple sources, I can piece together the whole picture.

      What are you doing on Slashdot? I cast thee out!

    9. Re:Poor Colbert? by dubl-u · · Score: 4, Insightful

      crossfire was not marketed as a hard news show, crossfire is a polical arguments show, with opinions, not journalism.

      This is only partly true. Anybody can have opinions. But when you put a show on a news network with serious politicians, journalists, and writers running it, I think there's some obligation to make it a show with serious content. Crossfire is not and should not be Jerry Springer.

      it should be apparent to everyone that if you are making decisions based on facts you heard from jackasses (including stewart) yelling at each other on crossfire, then the problem is yours, not theirs.

      Those jackasses, as you call them, include a variety of senators, congressmen, ambassadors, and other political movers and shakers. Given that they are running the country, I want to hear what they have to say, and I want it in an environment where they will answer hard questions, not just spew talking points and stay "on message". European journalists still manage to do this; it's only here that hard questions have apparently become taboo.

      Although Crossfire apparently used to be that kind of show, I think we both agree that by the end it wasn't. You think that's fine. John Stewart didn't, and I happen to agree. If you don't like that, then by all means wallow in your talking points. (Or Jerry Springer; I'm not sure which you're promoting here.) There's plenty of that out there.

  2. Torrent by remembertomorrow · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here is the torrent link:

    http://www.mininova.org/tor/296239

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  3. Full Footage on youtube by nanop · · Score: 5, Informative

    Crooks and Liars doesn't have the full footage. Instead, check out the 3 segments on youtube:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcIRXur61II

    The transcript is also available here:

    http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/4/30/1441/59811

  4. The BBC? by Steve+Ballmer's+Fat · · Score: 5, Informative

    WTF? That BBC article was not only pointless, but about three paragraphs long. At least post an article that discusses the topic, like maybe... E&P story

  5. Cajones by PaulQuinn · · Score: 5, Funny

    All I could think watching this, with Colbert never wavering, never holding back, never hurrying his words, was this man has balls.

    Big, brassy, get-put-on-a-no-fly-list, cajones.

    And kudos for being kinda funny too.

    1. Re:Cajones by killjoe · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In addition to the president he took on the sycophantic press. It was a refreshing change from the news coverage you get these days.

      Somtimes the truth gets to be so rare that you are shocked and praised for speaking it at a public forum. Sad but true.

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  6. It's really quite fascinating by sheldon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I gotta give him credit. He stood up there and pointed out failures not just with the administration, but with the Media as a whole.

    Well done.

    1. Re:It's really quite fascinating by nick+this · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And I'm not sure you got the point of Colbert's monologue. I don't believe he was playing for laughs. I think he saw an opportunity to actually put his money where his mouth was, and took it. You are right. It was out of place for the event, but I think that was exactly the point. Letting everyone laugh comfortably while we prosecute a war in another country without being able to answer a fundamental question like "why did we go to war" wasn't on his agenda. And it shouldn't be. Good for him, I say.

    2. Re:It's really quite fascinating by adpowers · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Exactly. You, sir, understand what is going on.

      I think this is Stephen Colbert's Crossfire appearance. Jon Stewart played Crossfire the same way: pointing out all the faults of the people he was with. Stephen Colbert's audience was even more prestigious than Jon Stewart's. I didn't know about this appearance until after it happened (so I download the video last night) and I was amazed that he had the opportunity to chew out the president... right to the presidents face!

      Unfortunately, I think some of the humor was lost on people who didn't realize the character Colbert plays. However, I also think he has made a lot of new fans this weekend.

    3. Re:It's really quite fascinating by SpryGuy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I thought he was doing a horrible job 6 and 7 years ago. But then I lived in Texas under his inept Governorship. And I think he's still doing a crappy job now... it's just that he's managed to lower the bar so far that "crappy" seems to be really improved or even approaching competent. But it's really nothing of the sort. Frankly, the only thing to surprise me over these last few years is the lack of imagination on my part for just how bad he'd actually be as President. I knew he'd be horrible, but never in my wildest imagination did I imagine he'd be as bad as he's been, or do as much damage as he has. It's sad and frustrating.

      Thank God for people like Colbert, who hasn't let himself be intimidated into silence like so many in the media and even the general public have.

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    4. Re:It's really quite fascinating by nick+this · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't know. I think this played on many levels. On one level, you are right... he's Steven Colbert playing a commentator who believes he's praising the president, but the praise backfires and the results are comedic. Ha, ha, he's lampooning O'Reilly.

      On a level deeper, though, Steven gets to say thing as the commentator that he couldn't just stand up in front of that crowd and say. He gets to say what he really believes, only say it in a way that's funny when coming out of the mouth of Colbert the pundit.

      Example: he's asking the president why he wasn't considered for the part of the white house press secretary. At which point, he stares right at the audience and says "I have nothing but contempt for these people". Look at his face when he says it. He's playing it for laughs, but he's deadly serious. He has nothing but contempt for those people. Meanwhile, they laugh... they LAUGH... because ha, ha.. he's lampooning O'Reilly. Except he's not.

      You can see that same mechanism in effect in several of his "jokes". He really is pushing wickedly vicious attacks at the president and the press, and they can't decide whether to laugh or not, because they aren't sure what level to take it at.

      I thought it was brilliant -- he was able to attack them savagely, and still come across like he was tossing softballs. Amazing.

    5. Re:It's really quite fascinating by apparently · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, but why can't we take a break, relax, and go to a nice dinner

      because our soldiers can't take a break, relax, and go to a nice dinner.
      because the families who have lost husbands, wives, daughters, and sons to the war can't take a break, relax, and go to a nice dinner.
      because the Iraqi people can't take a break, relax, and go to a nice dinner.
      because reality doesn't stop for everyone else while you're safe at home.

    6. Re:It's really quite fascinating by radtea · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'll say it here, but it applies to many many of the other posts I've read today - this is not a great political statement he has made. It was a comedian act, in an event that hosts such act every year. He's a comedian

      You seem to imply that because he is a commedian this is not a great political statement.

      That is a complete non sequitur. If you really believe it, do please adduce some evidence for it. Please note that the proposition you must defend is not "some commedians are incapable of great political statements" but rather "ALL commedians are incapable of great poltiical statments, and NO commedy act is capable of great political statement." I believe, given the many counter-examples, you will find it very, very hard to create a rational, fact-based defense.

      Many commedians have made great political statements, and Stephen Colbert has just taken first place in their ranks. He spoke the raw truth, in public, to the face of power. With an administration that has lied and obfuscated its way through six disasterous years of unnecessary deficit and unjustified war, that is a great and wonderful thing.

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  7. Isn't it funny? by greg_barton · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Ain't it funny how Colbert is being ignored? This happened on Saturday. It was a biting, harsh criticism of Bush, to his face, in front of the nation's journalism establishment. Did it make the major news sites? Type "Colbert" into google news and see what pops up first thing.

    1. Re:Isn't it funny? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Two reasons its being ignored:

      1. The press is, generally, in Bush's pocket. Part of it is 9/11. Part of it is that war makes news organizations (and their parent companies) money. Its well known the Jack Welch pressured NBC news while he was CEO of GE. I would wager this has continued and expanded. (aside - It really says something about a president who can have such backing in the press and still manage to go down to the thirties in approval rating.)

      2. Colbert skewered the press as much as the president. He called them on not raising a fuss, not making waves. Why would they want to bring attention to their own short-comings?

      "But, listen, let's review the rules. Here's how it works: the president makes decisions. He's the decider. The press secretary announces those decisions, and you people of the press type those decisions down. Make, announce, type. Just put 'em through a spell check and go home. Get to know your family again. Make love to your wife. Write that novel you got kicking around in your head. You know, the one about the intrepid Washington reporter with the courage to stand up to the administration. You know - fiction!"

      A real journalist would probably recognize Colbert's performance as the only news-worthy thing to happen during the event. Here Colbert is providing the best politically satirical speech in years (a generation?) right in front of the bubble boy president. Of course, a real journalist would probably not attend these sort of "buddy up to the administration" events. The fourth estate (ideally) should provide a check on those in power.

      P.S. I love Colbert, but whats this doing on slashdot? I guess it is "news that matters" but not in any tech sense AFAICT.

  8. Watch it, enjoy it, believe it by jambarama · · Score: 4, Informative

    It is really worth the watch. Colbert starts about 40 minutes into the video. Get the torrent or watch it on youtube (part 1, part 2, and part 3). If you haven't seen the Colbert report - it is quite good. Comedy central has a bunch of videos up - my favorite is the "know a district" ones.

    The Colbert Report is really high quality political humor, like the Daily Show with Jon Stewart - it is funny because so often it is true.

  9. Worth a watch by lightyear4 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Oh he didn't entirely lose the room. Far from it, considering the exceptionally dry speakers preceding the Bushes and Colbert. (All praise the invention of fast forward). Colbert's greeting of Scalia, comments regarding Fox, boxing a glacier, DC the mallowmar city, Plame, and Helen-Thomas-the-stalker were all priceless. The interviews of the press corps in their little caves and 'presidential humor - cspan style' segments were great too. By all means watch it if you haven't.

    1. Re:Worth a watch by fatboy · · Score: 5, Funny

      They eat children, too!

      Only when market forces allow it, not all the time.

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    2. Re:Worth a watch by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No kidding! That wretched democratic process ought to be done away with. The people can't be trusted with that kind of power!

      Done away with? We'd have to have one first. The US is a Republic, which is a "representative democracy" - which in turn is an oxymoron.

      There has never been a true democracy. Even in Athens only male, racially privileged land-owners were permitted to vote.

      How would we actually know if the people could handle that kind of power or not? No people in recorded history have ever had it.

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  10. What I find most interesting... by DeadPrez · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Is that the mainstream press coverage has mostly covered the Bush lookalike and not the pure political embrassment Bush suffered at the hands of Colbert. Perhaps the educated guess for this strange disconnect would be that the press hosts the event and it would be less noteworthy if the President stopped attending.

  11. Re:Funny? by PaulQuinn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Bush violates the law and constitution. OH SNAP! I'm a "Bush Basher".
    Ignore the fact that Bush violates the law and constitution.

    Kill the messenger, ignore the message. I'm sure those are tomorrows talking points.

  12. The best part about this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The best part about this is that the funnier and more incisive he gets, the quieter and quietier and quieter the laughter gets.

    Too bad that nobody will hear about this except the people who read Slashdot, the people who watch Comedy Central, and the people who watch C-SPAN on saturday night. In other words, the exact people who are most likely to already agree with what Colbert is saying. Everybody else, well, everybody else will just hear about that part the BBC covered-- you know, the bit where Bush demonstrated what a down-to-earth, wouldn't-you-just-love-to-have-a-beer-with-me kind of guy he was by getting up on stage with a body double and deliberately mispronouncing words.

    Which means Colbert's little song and dance here doesn't really matter. All right, so somebody criticized the president to his face for the first time in four years. (No, Kerry at the 2004 debates doesn't particularly count.) Okay, so what? The 32% who still approve of Bush's job-- who are, after all, the only people who matter-- won't hear about this, and if they hear about it, they won't listen. The 2006 elections still will go to the Republicans, because even if everyone gets pissed off at Mr. Bush, they still won't like the incompetent, spineless democrats any better.

    The Republicans will continue to hold congress after 2006; nobody will ever investigate any of the laws Bush has broken; Bush will quietly leave office in 2008, Iraq will someday eventually get electricity and running water, and talk show hosts and revisionists will nostalgically talk about what a great leader Bush was until nobody remembers him as anything other than a second Reagan. (And how well do you remember the Reagan administration? Yup, that's what I thought.) Nobody will remember that freakish, depressing third half of the Bush presidency where major american cities were destroyed and the President was admitting to impeachable offenses on national television and nobody did anything about it. Everyone will just remember that first, inspiring part of the Bush presidency after september 11, when Bush said that God told him how to lead the country, and everyone believed him.

    1. Re:The best part about this by geminidomino · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's interesting, really, to see what percentage [the religious nutbags] make up, and I'm glad it's only 32...

      You know, it scares the hell out of me that we've reached the point that we're glad only 1/3 of the population is composed of these fuckwits...

  13. Filter motherfucker, do you speak it? by DoctaWatson · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you don't like the politics on Slashdot, then why not use the freaking built-in filters to keep political stories from showing up?

  14. Quotation from Will Rogers by mindaktiviti · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "People are taking their comedians seriously and the politicians as a joke." --Will Rogers. Seems oddly appropriate.

  15. It wasn't just embarassing for Bush by DoctaWatson · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Colbert skewered the press pretty strongly too. I'm thinking the news blackout has more to do with the mainstream media's own shame than any courtesy to the President.

  16. Stephen was bang on... by Hamster+Lover · · Score: 5, Funny

    Stephen was in great form with such lines as:

    "Wow, what an honor...to sit here, at the same table as my hero, George W Bush. To be this close to the man. I feel like I'm dreaming. Somebody pinch me. You know what? I'm a pretty sound sleeper, that may not be enough. Somebody shoot me in the face...is he really not here tonight?" (in reference to the Vice President) "The one guy that could have helped."

    That killed me. Later:

    "I believe in democracy. I believe that democracy is our greatest export. At least until China figures out a way to stamp it out of plastic for three cents a unit. As a matter of fact, Ambassador Zhou Wenzhong, uh welcome. You're great country makes our Happy Meals possible."

    Huge groan from the crowd on that one.

    He got some huge laughs, but some got no reaction and I can only assume that either those in attendance were brain dead and didn't get it or offended by his frankness. Either way, he was dead on and hilarious.

    1. Re:Stephen was bang on... by Raul654 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yah, because the audience is *really* likely to laugh a Valerie Plame joke with Karl Rove (who could very well be indicted by the end of the month) sitting right there.

      No, they didn't laugh at what Colbert said because a lot of it cuts pretty close to home for those sitting in attendance. Case and point - when Colbert thanked the press for all the hard work they did during Bush's first term ignoring all his lies and misdeeds.

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    2. Re:Stephen was bang on... by courtarro · · Score: 5, Informative

      Part of the "illusion" of minimal crowd reaction was likely due to CSpan's audio configuration, which leaned heavily on the speaker and very little on the crowd. Since most comedy shows mic the crowd for cheering and laughter, it's somewhat strange to watch a comic when you can't hear that live reaction. I think that this is the case here, and I'm guessing the laughter was quite a bit stronger than it seems in the video.

  17. How bad has it been in the past? by wh0me · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm all for a skewering of authority, whoever happens to be at the helm. But, after viewing the whole video, while some of it has got to make some of the audience decidedly uncomfortable (note the camera cutting to Joe Wilson and his wife Valerie Plame!) I got the feeling that this is de rigeur for this kind of event, simply that we're paying more attentino because it's featured on Slashdot, BoingBoing, and wherever the hell else.

    So, how accurate is that perception?

    Has anyone seen one of these from years past? Even last year, with the war in full swing, there would have been sufficiently biting grist for a ballsy comic. Is older video of these annual press club dinners on C-Span or somewhere else? How biting is that commentary? How was it during Clinton's run? Or Nixon's?

    That's what the 'net is so great for... putting something like this into a very broad context, not just believing that Steven Colbert doing a bang up job here is the first and last time it's ever happened.

  18. Re:Wasnt that funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I take it you really don't understand what you saw...? The lack of response in the audience is the important part - it isn't indicative of him "bombing" in this case.

  19. Re:watch Colbert Report instead by _ph1ux_ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This wasn't about being funny - it was about being, uh, truthinessful.

    He made some brilliant remarks up there - and he held no punches. The "Scott McClellan can say nothing like nobody else" was terrific.

    I hope this inspires more people to have the balls to say what they feel and know about the tyranny that has strangled this nation.

  20. Re:I don't get it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I could give or take the humor, but the fact that it was a solid HALF HOUR of sticking it to the preseident's face in that manner was unprecedented. The humour depends on your politics; the balls to carry out an aggressive 30 minute assault on the president to his face is admirable. Make no mistake, this was not done out of comic pursuit; this was a statement. Not what he said, but the context in which it was delivered and for how freakin' long!

    The difference between this and traditional presidential roasts (and I've seen more than a few - CSAN nerd here) is that this did not lampoon one or two or ten aspects of the Bush administration, but mocked it's very existence and legitimacy. To his face. In front of the Washington elite. For 30 solid uniterrupted minutes. Think about it: it's the difference between "Slick Willy got a BJ! Ha ha!" and "Monica knows the Clinton administration as well as everybody else - it leaves a bad taste in your mouth!"

  21. Re:Torrent link by isd_glory · · Score: 5, Funny

    "I think this one's going to go down in the history books..."

    25,000 people using bittorrent to download an hour-long C-SPAN special
    That should go down in the history books as "the day that the anti-filesharing lobbies collectively went: WTF??"

  22. Re:Wasnt that funny by bitkari · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You shouldn't respect power, rather, you should respect the virtue of one's actions.

  23. Re:Liberal Bunk by Le+Marteau · · Score: 5, Insightful

    God Bless George W. Bush. God Bless America.

    Hey, fuckwit, who are YOU to tell God what to do? DEMANDING of God something? The PROPER phrase is, "MAY God bless XXX".

    That is key. Anyone who demands things of God is a shithead. Whenever you see someone saying "God bless" without the proper qualification... well, you can safely discard anything else they have to say, for they are truly spiritually retarded, and are probably nothing more than a drone.

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  24. This cracked me up by Raul654 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I watched the video and this comment cracked me up: "I mean, nothing satisfies you. Everybody asks for personel changes. SO, the White house has personel changes. And then you write "oh, they're just re-arranging deck chairs on the titanic." First of all, that's a terrible metaphor. This administration is not sinking. This administration is soaring. if anything, they are re-arranging deck chairs on the Hindenburg"

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  25. Colbert on 60 mins by Stalyn · · Score: 4, Informative

    Stephen was on 60 Minutes this Sunday. Link to video. And the CBS text.

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  26. I Watched It Live... And Wasn't Impressed by TheFlyingGoat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Normally I like Colbert's stuff. Most of the time he's witty, intelligent, and makes me giggle like a schoolgirl.
    medioc
    I watched the bit live on TV after I got sick of listening to the draft coverage. I don't blame most of the dignitaries for not paying much attention. His whole presentation must have gone on for 20 minutes or more, with 6-7 minutes of it being about that crazy (and fugly) White House reporter that always asks really stupid questions. Well this bit had him running across the entire Eastern seaboard just to get away from her questions about Iraq. Ok... I can understand turning that into a 30-60 second clip, since there were a few funny parts, but the remaining 5:50 was just him running and screaming. It was very underwhelming. There was actually almost a minute of him fumbling with his keys, trying to get it unlocked and started, just for the punchline of realizing he had remote keyless entry (funny, but not worth 60 seconds of leadup).

    As for the rest of his jokes, there were a few good ones, but they came after listening to a handful of poor ones. I actually wondered outloud to my wife that his normal writers must have been unavailable.

    Keep in mind when you watch the video that 99% of the guests at the press dinner were press, meaning they probably agreed with most of the things he said. However, there was audible laughing only a handful of times during the whole presentation. It was really a poor comedy routine to say the least, even if it did "stick it to the Administration".

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    1. Re:I Watched It Live... And Wasn't Impressed by Breakfast+Pants · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Unfortunately you may have watched so much television with laugh tracks that unless people are laughing you can't distinguish funny--I feel for you, and don't worry, you're not alone.

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  27. I totally agree by sentientbrendan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    >It was a GWB bash-o-thon disguised as humor. Even if it was Bill Clinton, I still wouldn't have found it funny.

    Right on man. If he had lampooned Clinton for screwing up the war in Iraq, having a low approval rating, or generally being incompetent, no one would have found it funny. It's such a total double standard that it doesn't apply the other way around.

    Seriously though, you don't need to *disguise* a GWB bash-o-thon as humor. It *is* humor.

    1. Re:I totally agree by Stalyn · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Right on man. If he had lampooned Clinton for screwing up the war in Iraq, having a low approval rating, or generally being incompetent, no one would have found it funny. It's such a total double standard that it doesn't apply the other way around.

      If Clinton was in the same situation as Bush I think the press would be pretty harsh on him. We are talking about a President that was impeached because he lied about getting a blowjob. Also people make jokes about Clinton to this day, until Bush he was the most lampooned President. However if he had made the same mistakes as Bush he would have been impeached and convicted, I am pretty sure of that.

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      The best education consists in immunizing people against systematic attempts at education. - Paul Feyerabend
  28. State Secrets Privilege + EFF v. AT&T = by DanTheLewis · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The President broke the law. AT&T gave customer data on millions of people to the feds and allowed them to tap all their pipes to data mine Americans' private phone calls. EFF sued them for violating FISA, the 4th Amendment, and for the AT&T customers whose private data was handed.

    One witness, one expert, and a few internal documents filed, and Bush asserts a State Secrets Privilege; the lawsuit cannot continue. What did he not want us to know?

    I don't know how to connect the dots any more obviously. If you don't smell a rat, I suggest you update your BS detector.

    http://www.eff.org/legal/cases/att/

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    Q: What did the comedian say to the crowd?
    A: If I knew, this joke would be funny.
  29. Not unlike Jon Stewart at the Oscars... by Elrond,+Duke+of+URL · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Colbert's routine reminded me a lot of Jon Stewart's performance at the Oscars (one of the only times I've ever even watched). What I saw that night was a decent and funny performance delivered to a crowd that was so full of itself that it could not emit a laugh. They were present for awards sans comedy.

    In Colbert's case, though, the crowd was most certainly attending for comedy. However, I think their blank stares were the result of hearing something they'd rather not. The dinner is always a roast and fun is always "poked." But... I think perhaps this went to a new level.

    I see one of two possibilities. One is that Colbert misjudged his audience and that's why his routine did not do well. Or, Colbert recognized that he was given a rare opportunity to speak directly to the President, in a public setting, and in a place where the President could not simply leave. *If* that is the case, then yes, it did take balls. Huge balls.

    Of course, unless Colbert actually comes out at some point in the future and makes known what his intentions were that night, we may never really know.

    I have to wonder what I might do in such a situation. Like many Americans, I do hold a certain respect for the office of the President, or for any elected office, I suppose. It's that respect which keeps most (though it seems less so lately) political discourse civil. But surely there comes a time when transgressions like Bush's reach a point where you need to take a stand, respectable office or no.

    Maybe this dinner was one of those times.

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    Elrond, Duke of URL
    "This is the most fun I've had without being drenched in the blood of my enemies!"-Sam&Max
  30. It's a classic dilemma by jesterzog · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I find it odd that the only people in politics that "say it how it is" can be found on the comedy channel. It's almost... funny.

    It seems like a standard dilemma to me. Comedians such as Stephen Colbert and Jon Stewart have nothing to lose. They're certainly not going to lose popularity with their audience, and if anything will gain more followers. They'll probably never have another chance to do what they've done, but they probably wouldn't have anyway.

    For journalists and news networks on the other hand, the nature of how the competition works means they have everything to lose. If a journalist steps too far outside the bounds of what the government considers "acceptable" for a journalist, they probably won't be allowed in again... unless everyone does the same thing at once making it impossible for the press secretaries to ignore, which seems unlikely. Access to high government officials is everything to many news networks, especially the larger ones, so getting the network rejected could spell a big demotion if not the end of a journalist's career.

  31. NY Times by caitsith01 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Surprisingly enough, the article, which appears on the font of the NY Times website, doesn't even mention Colbert's name or make any reference to his performance. Instead it rambles about the Bush impersonator bit for the entire article.

    The Times can hardly be called a part of the great right wing conspiracy - so one must conclude that Colbert has pissed off the media establishment, rather than the conservative political establishment. Wait, I mean "as well as" the conservative political establishment.

    When you think about it, he's the only guy other than John Kerry who's had the opportunity to stand (effectively) face to face with Bush and tell him what he really thinks of 6 years of lousy policies. And he did a much better job than Kerry.

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    Read Pynchon.
  32. Old science fiction story by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The story's premise was that it's possible to measure the percentage of truth in a statement.

    Physical science papers and textbooks were only in the 90-95% range. If you said the age of the Eath was 4,388,765,309 years, for example, that might be 100% true but you'd never get published. In other fields, the socially tolerable level of truth was far lower.

    The story's punch line was that only two groups of people were socially permitted to make 100% truthful statements: research mathematicians, and comedians.

    (Also look up the history of "court fools").

  33. every day is a slow news day at the Times by infinite+jester · · Score: 4, Informative

    "What's next, the NY Times not agreeing with the president on Iraq?"

    Unless that was an attempt at irony, you really should pay closer attention to current events. The New York Times was pro-war from the beginning. Remember Judith Miller, the NY Times reporter who ended up in jail for contempt during Scooter Libby's grand jury hearing? She wrote one article after another for the Times backing up the Bush Administration's false claims of WMD. She was their star reporter, their headlining act, the woman with the (erroneous) inside information. When Joseph Wilson wrote his op-ed piece calling out Bush on his State of the Union lie, Scooter Libby leaked information to Judith Miller that he hoped would discredit Wilson. That's how she ended up in jail, because she refused to reveal Libby as her source. There's lots more to the story, but the crux of the matter is that the only difference between the New York Times and the New York Post as regards the war in Iraq is that the Times uses a classier typeface.

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    i thought, therefore i was...
  34. Bzzzzzt history says you are wrong by mrraven · · Score: 5, Interesting

    When Edward R. Murrow brought down McCarthy he was lionized. When Cronkite read the number of soldiers killed in Vietnam he was lionized for telling the truth. It's not that modern reporters can't show guts, it's that they they don't chose to show guts, i.e. they are a bunch of sniveling cowards afraid of losing their fat corporate sponsored pay check. Ironically though as history shows those that show leadership don't end up losing their pay check but go on to greater rewards. Our current batch of blow dry "news anchors," though aren't real reporters and perhaps don't even have the mental tools to show leadership. Hopefully the rise of indy media, blogs, and being humiliated by "fake news," etc will shake them from their complacency in the long run, and they will hire some real reporters and we will receive some real news. One can always dream and in the meanwhile their is the internet and the comedy channel.

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    Tired of all the isms, don't exploit people as an employer, or a government, mmmmK?
    1. Re:Bzzzzzt history says you are wrong by demachina · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "When Cronkite read the number of soldiers killed in Vietnam he was lionized for telling the truth"

      In fact the country had already largely turned on the Vietnam war by the time he acted. It would have been a bit braver if he had exposed Vietnam as a failed policy a few years earlier. Cronkite did help take down LBJ but the war continued on for another 5 years before it was lost, so he didn't really make much of a difference.

      In some respects it feels kind of like Iraq where the media didn't let out a whimper when the foundation was laid for the bloody and expensive disaster, they waited until it was obviously a bloody mistake and now they are piling on against it now that its too late to do anything about it (i.e. the two options now being stay the course or withdraw and watch Iraq explode in civil war).

      "When Edward R. Murrow brought down McCarthy he was lionized."

      On Murrow you are totally misrepresenting reality. Murrow, Friendly, "See it Now" and others at CBS paid a dear price for what they did.

      Don Hollenbeck, was another CBS news anchor who lauded Murrow's attack on McCarthy on air. He was eviscerated by right wing editorials for the next 3 months and branded as a communist. He then committed suicide in a gas oven.

      Murrow and Friendly continued attacking sacred cows in that 1954-1955 season, including an expose on a Texas land scandal that infuriated their main sponsor, Alcoa, which pulled their funding and put the nail in the coffin for "See it Now".

      Many of the people involved in the McCarthy expose were laid off.

      Walter Pally and CBS corporate felt Murrow and Friendly overstepped their bounds on McCarthy and throughout their controversial 1954-1955 season and that they were making news rather than reporting it. They pulled See It Now from their prime time slot and stuck them on Sunday afternoon in a form of putting them out to pasture as they ran out their contract.

      Murrow eventually became completely disillusioned with TV news, precisely because of the pressures to make it entertaining, profitable, to avoid controversy and to avoid alienating corprate sponsors.

      What Murrow and Friendly did was brave beyond belief but the retaliation that followed created a precedent that served to discourage journalists and networks from attacking the power that be, especially when it involved their sponsors.

      In a more recent CBS precedent there is Dan Rather's recent attempt to expose George W's borderline criminal National Guard record. Unfortunately they relied on a forged letter to support their story which was wrong. But ... it is likely the forged letter was essentially accurate, the commanding officers secretary said its content was quite plausible. Its just most of the incriminating evidence in his record was most probably purged by Bush operatives, something that was especiallay easy to do when Bush was governor of Texas and commander in chief of the Texas national guard. Rather was of course driven out of the CBS anchor chair and the producer was fired.

      "they will hire some real reporters and we will receive some real news"

      It would run completely counter to how news networks work today. They are competing for audience with 50 other TV channels, games, internet, etc. The only successful news shows are going to be the most sensationalist ones, pandering to what their audience wants to see, and most of their audience wants to see celebrity scandals. Most audience also have a massive case of cognitive dissonance, they want their news to reinforce their world view not disrupt it. Thats why Fox is the #1 cable network, lots of people watch Fox because Fox says what they want to hear, America #1 in particular.

      Journalists can only attack Presidents when their poll numbers are in the toilet because then they know the majority of their audience wants them to attack the President then. When a President's poll numbers are riding high they generally dont touch them. Journalists are at the head of the like supportinh going to war as long as their is a patriotic fervor whipped up for it, and then journalists can turn against the war when it turns long, bloody and costly and the public has already started to turn on it, like Cronkite did.

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      @de_machina
  35. Political Parties Aren't Not Where It's At by rolfwind · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Who care if the Republican are voted in again. Your answer seems to be the Democrats.

    Political Parties are not where it's at. It never was and never will be. And by "it", I mean answers for the future.

    In his farewell address as President, the other George (Washington), warned us against political parties. And since then, we promptly split into party lines:
    http://usinfo.state.gov/usa/infousa/facts/democrac /49.htm

    Have political parties ever spearheaded any worthwhile movement? Woman's suffrage? Civil Liberties? Hell, even Slavery? Not, if it cost them votes or it became the "right thing to do" with the public, meaning they got so late into the game as not to make a difference any longer. Look what parties make of issue these days to see the lack of courage in Washington to take any definitive action.

    Have political parties caused you to stop looking at who you are voting for, and instead make you vote down the party line? Congratulations, you played into their hands. Are all Republicans really that bad, as to be always worse than their Democratic counterparts? Or the other way around?

    Will it matter if the Democrats come in? Other than unions, won't they get funded by the same corporations as long as they follow corporate interests? And they will.

    Hell, Jesse Ventura was one of the better Governors that there was in a long time. I wouldn't have believed it if I haven't seen it, but he was. And he was independent and not a career politician.

    Why can't we vote more people like him in?

    Think Independent. And Vote Independent. The parties won't fix jack shit. They have all their fingers smeared by the same pie and are beholden to the same interests.

  36. Stephen Colbert Thank You Site by grokgov · · Score: 4, Interesting

    http://thankyoustephencolbert.org

    For serving as an example, telling it like it is, I've thrown together a site to collect thank yous for Mr. Colbert.

    Hopefully this site will help boost awareness of this story, which is already being distorted in the mainstream press.

    Go over and say thanks.

  37. Colber and Stewart should not be needed by ecorona · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This video along with John Stewart's appearance on "Crossfire" should go into textbooks. As much as I like Colbert and John Stewart, how I wish they were not needed. How I wish the press were half as dedicated to the American people as they are to keeping their jobs. How I wish that fake news organizations that push the Government's agenda only existed in dystopian futurstic worlds in sci-fi novels. Fox news uses logical fallacies to justify Republican led efforts and demonize Democrats in general. Fox news is unofficially the Republican news channel. I stress that this wouldn't be as big an issue if they weren't dishonest in the way that they present their arguments. There is nothing wrong with having a different opinion, but convincing others of such opinions via malicious distortions of the truth is insidious. It should be called out with the full ferocity and scandal the press is capable of. This is dangerous for a "news channel" to do because some people don't even know what a logical fallacy is (maybe like 32% of people?).

  38. Re:Those are some incredible special effects! by general_re · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Were it not for that, and the fact that this is such an unbelievable video from such a biased source, I might have even believed it actually happened!

    There are none so blind as those who will not see. When you get done patting yourself on the back for your cleverness, perhaps you'll scan the commentary that accompanies the video from this source. And then ask yourself, why select such a slanted site to present it? I mean, as someone else pointed out, it's not even the complete video - the complete video is available elsewhere. But then you wouldn't have the commentary. So, let's all stop and ponder whether the video is really the thing you're supposed to be interested in.

    Take off the blinders for a moment and pretend it's President John Kerry, with video selections and commentary provided by Little Green Footballs or Free Republic. Is that still cool, or do you want to award some more Oscars?

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    ABSURDITY, n.: A statement or belief manifestly inconsistent with one's own opinion.
  39. Well what the fuck did they expect? by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 4, Informative

    Have you watched the Colbert Report? Ok this is what he does, this is his shtick. He pretends to be a super patriotic to the point of stupidity pundent that supports the administration (Bill O'Reilly would be the closest analogue) but it's actually biting satire that's criticising it. Whatever he's pretending to make look good, he's actually ripping on, and masterfully so I might add. Since he's playing the government loving windbag, they are the most frequent target. The media is another frequent target.

    Well, you ought to know this when you book him. This is what he does, so this is what you are going to get. Getting pissed that he ripped on the administration and the media is like getting pissed becuase you book Carlos Mencia and get racial humour. Of COURSE that's what you get, that's what he does! If that's not what you want, book someone else.

    This was Colbert doing what he does best. That it fell flat on the audience because they don't like being made fun of is of no concern. If you can't laugh at yourself, don't hire a satirist because they are likely to pick on you. This goes double if you are already a favourite subject for them. I have no idea what the Whitehouse was thinking booking him. It's not like it's hard to find out what he's about. He's on national TV 5 nights a week for you to see.

  40. No media coverage on Colbert EXCEPT by layer3switch · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You guessed it (or not), Fox News. Not CNN, MSNBC or Bloomberg (yeah, I watch all of them). All of them except Fox News just mention Bush duble and that's it. Only Fox News had a take on Colbert's rip on Bush and Administration. Although the take was pretty much saying Colbert went overboard and bombed, but at least Fox News mentioned it in the news.

    Yeah, Fox News.

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    "Don't let fools fool you. They are the clever ones."
  41. The whole dinner is rather insulting... by Jackie_Chan_Fan · · Score: 4, Informative

    I saw it live, and when Colbert came on I said to myself "are they fucking stupid?!" Stephen Colbert is of course no fan of the president and I was suprised to see him hold his own up there as the audience refused to really laugh. Stephen bombed, not because he wasnt funny, or truthfull but because the audience seemed affraid to laugh.

    The whitehouse bit with Helen Thomas stalking him wasnt that funny. Stephen was funny overall though. It was interesting to see him be polite towards the president after having just said "the country doesnt like you and this whole thing is a mess"

    Stephen did well considering the audience...

    And thats what i'm really insulted by... (I'm not insulted by Stephen, i loved it) but the audience, the members of the press, the celebrities, the politicians, lawyers, judges, lobbiests... :)

    Something just feels off when the press has a dinner with the whitehouse administration, plus celebrities. It just seems like a big get together of the wealthy and powerful for no reason.

    For example, anyone that watched it on C-span, you would have seen George Clooney surrounded by 10 or more girls at a time after the dinner. There were no guys around Clonney, and i just found it histerical because they let 30minutes pass before showing clooney on tv again, and there he was with another 10 girls surrounding him wanting pictures :)

    OK Clooney has political motives, but what about Phil Simms? Tiki Barber? Ludicris?... What could they possibly have to do with the whitehouse reporters?

    It just seems like a slap in the face to the public. I dont think the Press should be "hanging" with the press. And i certainly dont think it should be a big celebrity dog and pony show.

    What i found histerical is the number of old white men with young hot dates :)

    The whole thing is rather phoney, and by that i mean the government, and the press

  42. Re:Wasnt that funny by amliebsch · · Score: 4, Informative
    Well here's a real quote for you then:

    When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.
    T. Jefferson

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    If you don't know where you are going, you will wind up somewhere else.
  43. Re:Courage??? by GReaToaK_2000 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yes, it is brave and courageous to do what our troops are doing, but that is because their jobs require that of them. They signed on for this.

    It is the lies and deceit of our current administration that has put them in harms way. Which has forced our military into a situation where we can't simply pull out, because it would make matters worse then BEFORE we went into Iraq? Duhbyah's father KNEW this. He even wrote a paper or two on it. One of which was published in Time Magazine.

    It ALSO takes bravery and courage to speak out in the current climate of this country and government. To point out the lies and deceit of this current administration spurn hatred and argument. If this continues and the laws that continue to be put forth (some pass) which deny civil liberties it is only a matter of time before speaking out WILL be a crime.

    I think lines have been drawn and at this point and no one wants to concede. The facts point out everything, but a vast section of this country doesn't want to admit they are wrong.