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RIAA Targets LAN Filesharing at Universities

segphault writes "The RIAA has sent letters to 40 university presidents in 25 separate states informing them that students are engaging in filesharing on their campuses using the local network. Apparently, the RIAA wants to get universities to use filtering software on their networks to detect student filesharing. The RIAA did not disclose the methodology they used to determine that filesharing is occuring on those local networks, but it probably didn't involve asking permission. The article goes on to predict that the RIAA will eventually try to get the government to require use of anti-filesharing filtering technologies at universities."

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  1. Download while you still can by IntelliAdmin · · Score: 4, Informative
    Well it has been almost 6 years since Napster made its way into our lives? 6 Years Really? Lets look around and see what file sharing programs are left after the music and movie biz nuked the crap out of most of them.

    1. Emule - This is one of the best we found out there. Hint (Search for server.met on google to update your server list)

    2. Bearshare - Nice Gnutella client, lots of good hits

    3. Limewire - Another Gnutella client. It even works on the Mac!

    4. Shareaza - A beautiful Gnutella client with no spyware.

    5. BitTorrent - Perfect for downloading movies, or that latest linux distro

    6. KaZaa - Old favorite. Oh yea - Aussie users, you can't download - Yea Right!

    7. Azureus - BitTorrent client that works on Mac, Linux, and Windows 8. Morpheus - Wow. They are still around? Wha happened!

    9. Gnucleus - Open source Gnutella for you freeloading open source hippies out there - Yea I am talking about you

    10. Napster - Ah, just put this one here to see if you are still reading, and I guess for shits and grins too

    So there you have it folks. These are slim pickings. Get um while they still work!

    1. Re:Download while you still can by topical_surfactant · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Don't forget MUTE

      MUTE functions in such a way that it is excessively difficult to tell what user is sharing which files, but is still possible to get reasonably fast downloads.

      The MUTE project: http://mute-net.sourceforge.net/

    2. Re:Download while you still can by TubeSteak · · Score: 2, Informative

      Shareaza is actually a Gnutella, Gnutella 2 & E-Mule client

      And if you're serious about E-Mule, you'll probably want to use one of the other versions [German site alert]which provide in-depth tweakability.

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    3. Re:Download while you still can by Breakfast+Pants · · Score: 2

      KaZaa is completely broken; they only hash every other byte of every file, so the whole thing is full of junk. Worst optimization ever.

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    4. Re:Download while you still can by paulius_g · · Score: 3, Informative

      I think that FrostWire deserves a mention aswell.

      Essentially, it's a open source Limewire client which connects to Gnutella. It looks like the "pro" version of Limewire, so it's easy to use but it's free and open source.

      Also, uTorrentdeserves a mention to be wicked-small and fast Torrent client for Windows. It only takes 155 KB of space!

    5. Re:Download while you still can by Forbman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Funny, the RIAA has done nothing to mandate that Linux/Samba, Novell, Microsoft, Banyan, etc., or any other OS maker that supports network-reachable file systems, to implement this. Or, push come to shove, mandate that EMC put stuff into Documentum, and require same for any other high-brow document management system (LiveLink, et al).

      Oh, and apps like Winamp, WMA, etc. that can access said network-reachable stores of MP3'd CDs.

      The IT groups and CompSci/EE/any other group that's computer-literate and has some autonomy over parts of its computing infrastructure will work around whatever draconian policy might be put in place as well, to where the community that has access to their collections of files is relatively limited, compared to all the students, for example (but all the staff isn't any better, either, but the staff, which would probably include faculty members at some point, is definitely a hornets nest the administration just doesn't start kicking at wildly). The student body at most universities might as well just be wearing gimp suits in the eyes of the administration and legislatures.

      Who's to say someone doesn't just documentumize the filenames and store the real descriptive info in the .m3u playlist file or some other database (i.e., change the physical filename into some hexified serial number, and map this to the original file name somewhere else)?

    6. Re:Download while you still can by ECELonghorn · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Correcty me if I'm wrong, but providing a link to a bitTorrent client doesn't really have anything to do with the article. Or the summary. Or the Headline. FTFS - segphault writes "The RIAA has sent letters to 40 university presidents in 25 separate states informing them that students are engaging in filesharing on their campuses using the local network.

      I am a student at one of the Universities that had our local DC++ file sharing hubs shut down. The hub was up 24-7, sharing roughly 20TB of pretty much everything. Students loved it because you could get almost any file that was available on BitTorrents with up to 1.5Mbps transfer speeds, and almost always at least 300Kbps. On BitTorrents, similar first release movies on public trackers often peaked at about 30Kbps download speeds. Now students still download the movies, using BitTorrent, it's just much slower because they can't utilize the LAN. As far as "download while you still can," these is no reason universities are going to stop BitTorrent downloads. Additionally, I don't think the RIAA even thinks it is significantly curbing piracy by shuting down LAN networks, it just knows the student have to go out into the more public file sharing arena, and RIAA at least theoretically has the ability to catch them then.

    7. Re:Download while you still can by l3prador · · Score: 4, Funny

      You mean you downloaded her?

    8. Re:Download while you still can by audacity242 · · Score: 5, Funny

      There have been rumours for many years of women who read slashdot. And I have come to tell you the truth, yes, in fact, we do exist.

      And, yeah, the ex-boyfriend reads slashdot. So yeah, those rumours about male slashdot readers having girlfriends? Also occasionally true.

    9. Re:Download while you still can by scotch · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Boo hoo, slashdot is not some homogenous group of people who think just like you do.

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    10. Re:Download while you still can by skiddie · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Many universities (mine did for a while, I don't think they still do) seem to throttle torrent downloads. It's just another way of slowing the download down, but the point isn't to end downloading completely, it's to make it so slow as to be more trouble than it's worth (sure, I'm willing to leave my computer on for a week to dowload all 20-something James Bond movies, but the same amount of time to download the High School Musical soundtrack-- now that's too much!). (sadly, both things I've downloaded recently.)

    11. Re:Download while you still can by Schemat1c · · Score: 4, Informative

      Correcty me if I'm wrong, but providing a link to a bitTorrent client doesn't really have anything to do with the article.

      Okay I'll correcty you, it's called irony and it does have to do with the article. It illustrates the futility of the ongoing efforts of the RIAA to shut down file sharing by showing that options have actually increased which is the opposite of their intended results.

      Lighten up a bit and laugh, trust me it will feel good.

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    12. Re:Download while you still can by Ex-MislTech · · Score: 5, Insightful

      LAN oriented simple VPN that could be shared between known friends .

      http://www.hamachi.cc/

      Very simple, works well, even clear across the world network neighborhood works
      if you tweak your firewall and port forwarding requirements if using NAT .

      Ex-MislTech

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    13. Re:Download while you still can by ploss · · Score: 2, Funny

      It truly was. Never forget.

      April 21, 2006 @ 11:59:00 PM

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    14. Re:Download while you still can by smidget2k4 · · Score: 3, Informative

      At a lot of uni's (mine included) they throttle BT for the sole reason that BT was taking up 50-60% of their total traffic for a while, so they throttle it down to make sure that it doesn't affect other uses. The Uni I go to has told me that they don't care less about what you download so long as the RIAA/MPAA/Microsoft doesn't come a-knockin' (some Microsoft fellas were watching a BT tracker and sent nice notices to two of my friends for downloading some MS Game, the Uni just said "don't do it again").

    15. Re:Download while you still can by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 2, Informative

      Some companies are now selling products that can identify traffic in near real-time based on its contents.

      i.e. it can automatically detect when you change your default BT ports.

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    16. Re:Download while you still can by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      The days of just being able to 'throttle' (Otherwise known as QoS or Quality of Service) based on port numbers is over. Almost any Cisco router (Even the older 2500 series) with the latest IOS can map QoS shaping (Throttling) to traffic signatures using a feature called NBAR (Network Based Application Recognition) then you can police traffic based on the signature of the payload (i.e. bittorrent, and many other P2P software) and set it down to 64Kbps (or lower) regardless of the port it is running on. Firewalls and routers are too smart now to play the 'I'll just use another port" game. I have set this up on MANY networks over the past 6 months. Hate to be the one to give bad news!!

    17. Re:Download while you still can by brainburger · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Asa you say 'legitimately', I guess you know that the IP of everyone in the torrent swarm is esily collected. I suppose you mean the legal side, concerning the difference between uploading and downloading. Don't be confused by the fact that the RIAA has targeted uploaders only in the US hitherto. Aside from the fact that all participants in a torrent swarm are uploading, it is just as infringing (in the US at least) to download as to upload. The only reason the RIAA has targetted uploaders with 'traditional' p2p systems in the past is that they can't easily get the IP addresses of downloaders of a given file on most systems. This does not apply to Bittorrent.

  2. How do they know by phorm · · Score: 5, Interesting

    but it probably didn't involve asking permission

    Despite the implications of this statement, what it probably really involves is paying off a student or two to sniff out and inform on filesharing activity, either by running RIAA apps or just manual searching. It wouldn't be the first time they've used this method.

    1. Re:How do they know by griffjon · · Score: 2, Funny

      Or via spyware-infected music CDs... Nah....

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    2. Re:How do they know by darkmeridian · · Score: 4, Interesting

      That's probably unauthorized use of the University's information systems. Running a third-party application meant to spy on students? Accessing the system with the intent of providing sensitive information on other network members to third-parties? The Universities should demand proof via IP packets, the source of that proof via the student-spy, and then expel the student for misuse of the computer systems. Repeat as necessary.

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    3. Re:How do they know by SeaFox · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Despite the implications of this statement, what it probably really involves is paying off a student or two to sniff out and inform on filesharing activity, either by running RIAA apps or just manual searching.

      I think you're giving them too much credit. That sounds like something that would involve too much work for the RIAA. I imagine they just assumed the sharing is going on and are waiting for the univeristies to prove them wrong.

    4. Re:How do they know by raoul666 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Using the LAN to share files you don't have the rights to is also unauthorized use of the University's network. If the Unis expelled students for spying on pirates and didn't expell the pirates themselves, they would have a buttload of lawsuits on their hands.

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    5. Re:How do they know by StingRay02 · · Score: 5, Funny
      C'mon, now, let's face facts. There are really only three possible ways they decided who to send their threats to.

      1. They took a list of all the universities in the country and, using a complicated algorithm and selection process, chose every tenth one from it.

      2. They said screw the algorithm and just took the first forty names. I didn't RTFA, but it wouldn't surprise me if all the school's names started with A.

      3. They chucked darts at a map.

      My money's on number 3.

    6. Re:How do they know by Achromatic1978 · · Score: 2, Informative
      That said, I really have to question how much jurisdiction the RIAA should be allowed to have on a private network. Surely it's up the universities themselves to decide what traffic they do/don't allow within the confines of their own LAN.

      Absolutely! The law has no place here.

      Whilst the RIAA shouldn't have jurisdiction over what happens on that private network, there is also that minor matter of the illegal sharing of their work.

      What if some "Child Protection" group wanted to prevent child porn being shared across a University LAN... Different? "Criminal"? I mean... I think the RIAA are a bunch of corporate whores and felons of the highest order, but I'm not sure why "it's a private LAN, they shouldn't be able to know what goes on on it" has suddenly become an excuse for why it's alright to undertake illegal activities and try to shield them with a AUP, etc, etc. Again, an example... the child porn ring on a secured VPN - does anyone really think that 'it's a VPN that you had no right to know about' is a valid defense?

      Major disclaimer: this is all theorising, apropos of the question of any laws being broken in the process of obtaining such information.

      Interesting theory: if disclosure of such network information is against the AUP of a university network, would the operator of said network (or the victim of a lawsuit from the RIAA as a result) have grounds to sue the RIAA for 'tortious interference'? Particularly with the ponderings of inducements being paid to 'inform'. (Tortious interference is where a third party knowingly encourages or induces a party to a contract with a second party to break that contract.)

    7. Re:How do they know by rtb61 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Adults can also enrol in university for additional courses. So no one needs worry about their peers betraying them. Invasion of privacy would make it very dangerous for universities to start interfering in student to student digital communications.

      It is only one step further to start searching the students computers rather than just communications between students.

      Filtering rather than monitoring sounds nicer but it is still the same thing. Even though the current US administration has become more than a little loose when it comes to spying on it's citizens, universities had better take a very deep legal look at the ramifications of implementing automatic monitoring or interception of private digital communications, using a computer to automatically monitor digital communications is no legally different to listening in yourself (the only allowable context is for maintaining network trasmission quality).

      Next thing you know the RIAA and the MPAA will be demanding the all telecommunications companies monitor the private traffic of all their customers all of the time for any digital communications that the RIAA/MPAA disagree with.

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  3. Enforcement? by MadUndergrad · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Really, what are they going to do to enforce this? It's not as if they have a way to snoop on lan traffic, and if they did it would be illegal. I know that for one, my university has a "don't know, don't want to know" attitude about filesharing, so long as you keep the traffic below about 1.5GB per day. I really don't think they have the muscle to do anything about lan sharing.

  4. Seems Reasonable To Me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful
    The RIAA did not disclose the methodology they used to determine that filesharing is occuring on those local networks, but it probably didn't involve asking permission.

    And it's really no big secret if you just ask either. Having just finished school, probably almost all of the filesharing is in copyrighted material which they have no right to "share". Therefore it is illegal and should be stopped. It was disgusting to me how much people were trading movies, games, and music which didn't belong.

    The schools probably will realize they could be liable if they don't try to put a stop it or slow it down. I like how the article and slashdot makes no mention of the copyrighted nature of the material, as if everybody is just sharing Linux distributions. At least be honest about this, guys.

    1. Re:Seems Reasonable To Me by raoul666 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You don't get it. The whole damned point is that it shouldn't be illegal. That the law itself is immoral. Your reactions are themselves disturbing to me.

      You think copyright law is immoral? Do you mean the current laws on the books, or the idea itself that people can own the rights to copy things they produce? If it's the first, I (and most here) would agree; if it's the second, you need to do a reality check. You honestly think that if I produce something, through honest means and hard work, you should be able to copy and sell it without my permission? That attitude is damn disturbing to me.

      Please note that I don't believe the current system is good. Copyright lasts far too long, has become monopolized by companies like the RIAA, and definately needs an overhaul. But I believe someone who creates something should have their work protected to some degree. If I write a novel, why should anyone with a printing press be able to turn out copies unless I allow them?

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    2. Re:Seems Reasonable To Me by megabyte405 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Do a bit of research on Common Carrier status, and you'll see why not only schools shouldn't be liable, if they do any filtering beyond simple traffic shaping, it is actually counter to their interests. (That is, it makes them liable because they lose common carrier status)...

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    3. Re:Seems Reasonable To Me by theLOUDroom · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If it's the first, I (and most here) would agree; if it's the second, you need to do a reality check.

      Maybe you need to chill.

      Just because things are the way they are today, doesn't mean they have to be. Works of art were produced before copyright and they would continue to be produced afterwards.

      People seem to have this crazy idea that no books would get written if copyright were to suddenly disappear. It's just not true.

      Maybe you'd have less ghost-written autobiographies, but things like Newton's Principia Mathematica were not written to make a quick buck.

      Think a little bit more, there is a real issue here, especially ethically. Copyright restricts what consenting parties do behind closed doors. Free societies should try to aviod such restrictions in all but the most extreme cases.

      Then there's even an arguable benefit to society because, even if there were less books written, you would be able to afford to own more of them.

      I'm not saying this viewpoint is the only correct one, but thinking that someone is a nutcase for not liking a law that hasn't existed for most of human civilization and has many points against it is what's really going off the deep end. Everyone who does not agree with you is not crazy.

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    4. Re:Seems Reasonable To Me by hunterx11 · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Think a little bit more, there is a real issue here, especially ethically. Copyright restricts what consenting parties do behind closed doors. Free societies should try to aviod such restrictions in all but the most extreme cases.

      Nobody cares about you making copies of something you already own for personal use or private exhibition. In fact, that's probably already covered by fair use. The issue here is redistribution. I believe that copyright reform is in order, too, but don't try to cast it as a privacy issue when it isn't.

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    5. Re:Seems Reasonable To Me by KevinIsOwn · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because it's somewhat difficult to write more novels if you cannot afford a new pencil and paper, since you haven't made any money due to everybody else stealing your work and profiting off of it themselves.

    6. Re:Seems Reasonable To Me by arkhan_jg · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Copyright law hasn't existed for much of human history. If I write a novel, why should anyone with a printing press be able to turn out copies unless I allow them? - why shouldn't they? After all, they own the printing press. Copyrighted works are supposed to eventually end up in the public domain, which is where the inspiration for much new work comes from. Human culture - stories, histories, myths and art, in all their many forms - is a shared process. The artist needs the audience as much as the audience needs him. We tell ghost stories round the fire, we discuss our opinions around the watercooler, we listen, watch and read other people's stories. They enrich us. The same with scientific ideas, they are largely small increments built on the progress of those before.

      Before copyright, art and written works were created, but it was expensive to make and copy, so the wealthy paid for artists to go round doing their thing, recognising the value of culture. This attitude still survives today, with corporate and foundation grants and government subsidies. Copyright was a way to increase the amount of works produced, by giving the creator a cut of the reproduction money long after the printing press was invented. It was supposed to be a trade, you get to be sole source of your work for a time, so we have more products in the public domain as a result. This was never meant to be a new form of property right, so that wealthy companies could lock up culture in digital prisons, and never release it to the public domain from which its inspiration came.

      Yes, artists should be paid something - but to produce new material. The idea that culture can be parceled up into someone or some companies exclusive property, that it can restricted for hundreds of years, that artists get to make one big hit and they and their families get to live on royalty paychecks for ever-more - that's wrong. I don't get paid repeatedly for the work I've already done, why should an artist have a special right? My work is an expression of my skill and knowledge, but I only get paid the once for doing it. Why shouldn't artists? Why should my free speech in sharing what I know, what I've heard, be restricted for someone elses profit? Why shouldn't I have my fair use ability to make my own copies for my own use? At the very least, content creators should have a choice between DRM and copyright, if you use DRM, you also lose copyright protection. DRM'd works will never enter the public domain.

      Now, I recognise that copyright is one way to increase the amount of culture and art, when it works (which is another question, now we have DRM). There are others, such as recurring opt-in flat fees to join broadcast streams and collections (online or in the RF spectrum) - e.g. TV licence fees or an addition to your ISPs bill. We can ask that music artists get most of their money from concerts, touring and generally performance work, rather than a tiny percent getting big bucks from exclusive CD contracts. Hell, nobody says that people can't still be a copy-provider of their own works, iTunes and bottled water shows people will pay for convenience and perceived quality.

      About the only thing from copyright law I agree with is the moral rights, specifically the ability to be exclusively known as the creator of a work. Passing someone elses ideas off as your own, should still be prevented. Other than that? I see a legal fiction, a government created artificial monopoly that those who've got theirs are trying to codify into a permanent exclusive ownership on our culture that was never intended.

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    7. Re:Seems Reasonable To Me by Kjella · · Score: 3, Informative

      The issue here is redistribution. I believe that copyright reform is in order, too, but don't try to cast it as a privacy issue when it isn't.

      Enforcement of copyright is most certainly a privacy issue. For comparison, let's say you have a thief and an owner of physical goods. The owner can protect himself by simply protecting his own property. Now let's instead say you have two people that wish to swap copyrighted works, and a copyright holder. In order to know whether or not copyright infringement is happening, the copyright holder will need to know what the other two are doing. There have been several suggestions which basicly boil down to "Let me see everything you're doing, so I can be sure you're not infringing copyright", and that would be a gross violation of privacy. Checking out P2P nets for files people have shared publicly isn't a privacy issue though.

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  5. I have my own network by Virtual+Karma · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I have more than one computer on my home network and I share music between all of them. Are they going to get me too? What is the law regarding file sharing on a private network? What if my girl friend copies my music from my laptop? Is that piracy?

    1. Re:I have my own network by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yes, your girlfriend funds terrorism

  6. What's next...mandated sniffing? by Ritz_Just_Ritz · · Score: 5, Interesting

    So are the universities (and all networks, by extension) supposed to sniff every packet and look for "copyrighted material" so it can take whatever action the industry think is "appropriate"?

    Perhaps every car should also have a sensor to detect speeding and automatically cut the gas?

    Fuck the music industry. Their ever more desperate measures only mean they are painfully aware of how irrelevant they are about to become.

    1. Re:What's next...mandated sniffing? by Shelled · · Score: 2, Interesting
      "So are the universities (and all networks, by extension) supposed to sniff every packet and look for "copyrighted material" so it can take whatever action the industry think is "appropriate"?"

      What's yet to penetrate public perceptions is: Yes. Exactly. Precisely. The only way universal DRM can work is by monitoring every packet transfer. It's insane how much we as a society are giving up to preserve these niche market middle-man pricks.

  7. what next is the RIAA going to do by has2k1 · · Score: 3, Funny

    It looks like they will soon send messages to parents informing them that their kids are engaging in filesharing amongst themselves at their homes using the home network.

  8. who defined insanity by yagu · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I don't remember, maybe it was Einstein who said the definition of insanity was to repeatedly do something and expect a different result. Is the RIAA insane?

    This is cutting their (RIAA/Entertainment industry) future profits off at the source on a number of levels.

    1. The university demographic is probably one of the least likely to be their cash cows, i.e., many, if not most students aren't living fat and happy on exorbitant budgets (I know, some are). They don't have tons of money to fill the RIAA and cohort's coffers.
    2. Throwing the college campus dragnet may result in catching file-sharing but it sets the tone for how these students perceive the industry for the rest of their lives, and it's going to be adversarial in this light.
    3. In addition to poisoning their future audience, the RIAA misses a great opportunity to expose students to a wealth of music. Sure they're going to share, sure it's technically illegal, but they're going to graduate with some illegal tunes, and likely an appetite to get more music, and with real jobs and real money, most would pay fair prices.

    Also, it is so problematic to try and institute filtering in an academic arena. There are probably any number of legitimate ways and reasons to see file sharing on a college campus that would not be legal outside. This will force universities to layer artificial distribution mechanisms they otherwise could have handled with firewall policies. (All this at an added expense to universities, and eventually to the cost of an education.)

    So, once again the music industry goes to the "we don't know for sure, but to be safe we're going to assume you're a crook" mentality. The RIAA needs to listen to clue.mp3.

    1. Re:who defined insanity by DrEldarion · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The university demographic is probably one of the least likely to be their cash cows, i.e., many, if not most students aren't living fat and happy on exorbitant budgets (I know, some are). They don't have tons of money to fill the RIAA and cohort's coffers.

      IIRC (don't have sources, but I remember it from somewhere...), college-age people are historically the second highest spending group on music, only after early to mid/late teens. They may not have a lot of money, but they also don't have a lot of responsibilities for what money they do have. Music is one of their top purchasing priorities.

    2. Re:who defined insanity by theJML · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The university demographic is probably one of the least likely to be their cash cows, i.e., many, if not most students aren't living fat and happy on exorbitant budgets (I know, some are). They don't have tons of money to fill the RIAA and cohort's coffers.

      I agree with all of what you say, however, I'd have to say that if anything the RIAA is shooting themselves in the foot even more in this crowd due to one overlook in the statement you made above. Kids in Universities (I know, I was there once) may not have tons of money, but a higher percentage of what they do have is disposible. They have student loans, they have parents assistance, they have federal grants, etc... and they have lots of free time and not as much forsight as some like to believe... Not to say they're stupid, they're spending habbits are just different. Go to an average college campus and check out the kids in the dorms for instance, they have more CDs, Game Systems, Up to date PCs, and are probably the single largest demographic for purcahsing many genre's CDs. All the people I knew in college had lan parties, got the latest CDs, watched movies all the time when not at class, etc... By sueing these people they're taking the money right out of their own mouth.
      They're also one of the most technologically impresionable group out there. If it's cool and high tech they'll go for it, however the RIAA seem to want to punish them for that because they don't know how to use it to their own potential.

      Off that topic, but part of the main article, I've noticed people saying that we should just not buy CDs to boycott the RIAA. Sounds like a good plan except when you notice that CD sales are down according to the RIAA and they don't blame it on themselves or crappy CDs, they blame it on piracy. So the more we boycott, the more it shows they're right. Maybe they should go back to school...

      And just for the record, I've been sharing files since 8" disks. I guess it was harder to sniff those, maybe I should go back to them... or atleast USB Drives. This may be the perfect time for a group of students to put up some WAPs and start sharing over that instead.

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  9. sure, sure by digitalsushi · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That won't work very well.

    If I can get onto the same network as 10 of my buddies, chances are very high that they have stuff I want to steal.

    There's no way you're going to lock down to layer 7 filtering (looking at the program data itself, very intensive to comute) at a layer 2 scope (your local IP subnet, or close enough). So you either block SMB ports (file sharing altogether, the lifeblood of a computer network with actual users), or pay $$$ to filter it, poorly.

    Rumor has it that if I have my laptop at the library, and so do some other people, that we can magically create a network between us that has no juristiction by the University. Or maybe they *do*, but they have no idea about it.

    Any way it gets sliced up, the dollars can't keep up with the ways to get around it.

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    1. Re:sure, sure by TubeSteak · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, an ad-hoc wifi network with no connection to the internet would be the best solution.

      Obviously, stuff like DC++ isn't cutting it. As a runner up, I'd propose a P2P app optimized for LANs.

      First you'd need to encrypt the traffic, then kick the data through [min number] other people on the network. It'll be like Tor, but at LAN speeds.

      If you really wanted to, you could toss a bandwidth limited proxy into the client so that any external P2P downloads are routed through the same anonymization network.

      This would be practical on a LAN, as your upload/download bandwidth is symmetric.

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    2. Re:sure, sure by Large+Green+Mallard · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Three words: private vlan edge.

      It's a Cisco config option that says client stations can't speak to each other except via a router. Firewall rules in the router to only allow access to a proxy server, mail server and dns server, problem solved.

      Then you'd need to leech via wireless, or physically co-located systems plugged into a seperate hub/switch, but at which point it isn't the University's problem, which is what the RIAA is looking at.

      Disclaimer: I'm an IT Security Manager for a University. Not one of the ones the RIAA has talked to (we're not in the US). The only way I'd consider those sort of restrictions on residentials networking is due to force-majeure in the form of a competant legal body or management direction. Residential networks are what contributes today to the collegiate atmosphere in on-campus living. These sort of restrictions impact that far too much for my liking.

  10. The RIAA should just cut to the chase by miskatonic+alumnus · · Score: 5, Funny

    and demand that Congress pass a law requiring every person with a social security number to purchase 5 DRM loaded cd's per month, and staple their receipts on form 1040 come April 15th. After all, the government requires us to support the insurance companies by purchasing auto insurance. Why not entertainment too? I mean, EVERYBODY is guilty of pirating music anyway, right?

    1. Re:The RIAA should just cut to the chase by utlemming · · Score: 2, Informative

      No offense, but how on earth is that "insightful".

      The difference between RIAA and car insurance is that car insurance is designed to protect the public interest. The analogy doesn't hold an ounce of weight. Car insurance is a civil responsability of those who own cars to protect other people on the road from bearing the weight of someone else's liability. And with the odds of getting into a car accident, it makes sense.

      A RIAA tax does nothing to protect the public interest.
      Car insurance does.

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  11. Pretty Common by Dr+Reducto · · Score: 2, Informative

    This isn't anything new. The RIAA has been policing campus network traffic. USC's campus DC++ hub was busted by the RIAA after the RIAA came in and convinced the University to allow them access.

    All the RIAA has to do is politely ask (more like......we will hold you harmless if we are given access to investigate) and the Universities usually will bow in and allow access to the campus network.

    As for stopping campus filesharing, it's pretty hard to stop as long as it stays within the borders. And moreover, with students in such close physical contact, it's fairly easy to set up rogue networks, or even just swap burned DVDs/memory sticks.

    1. Re:Pretty Common by Lehk228 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      as an admin it would be quite easy to subvert such threats, and i have not ever met a network admin who likes being threatened. first make sure the ops of the DC hub know which IP range is the ITS building, then give the RIAA access within the ITS building.

      i know i blocked the computing center when i was at university from even being able to see anything on my ftp server. well that and the accounts i gave out to people were restricted to their dorm IP or IP block so it would be considerably more work for a low level employee to actually connect, as they would need to be given control of a router or the DHCP server to have a chance.

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  12. When last i heard from the majority of congressmen by plasmacutter · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When interviewed, the majority of congressmen said point blank that person to person "dormroom" sharing of music was fair use and in no way objectionable.

    Further, the DMCA's notice and takedown only applies to the internet, not local area networks.

    Any university complying with these bs "complaints" has to have the stupidest administration ever, and any claims made by the RIAA are now utterly specious.

    What next.. "illegal sharing through car radios"? .. "in the news today the RIAA demanded that automakers comply with new requirements to prevent passers by and non-drivers from "illeagally hearing" music from car stereos which "by law" is only entitled to the owner/operator of the vehicle alone."

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  13. And next... by Transcendent · · Score: 3, Funny

    The RIAA will be going after Microsoft for allowing people to share files on their computer over a "network neighborhood". After which, hard drive manufactures will be sent letters informing them that their products are used in the distribution of copyrighted material and must include anti-file sharing technologies. Tesla will be woken from the grave and bitch-smacked for his accomplishments in electro-magnetism, and finally they will sue God for giving humans ears in which they can listen to stolen songs.

    Wow, that slope was slippery...

  14. WASTE by FLaSh+SWT · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Am I wrong to think that a program like WASTE (http://waste.sourceforge.net) is the easy fix if they started sniffing the local traffic?

  15. Re:Go ahead and try.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    shhhh!
    The first rule of usenet is that you do not talk about usenet!

    My biggest fear is that services like easynews are going to bring a lot of heat down on my file sharing garden of eden.

  16. Purge the evil by topical_surfactant · · Score: 2, Insightful
    The record cartel (RIAA members) are quite clearly evil. Indescriminately suing 12-year olds, senior citizens and welfare-moms has sealed their judgement in my mind. Eroding personal rights and freedoms for the sake of pure greed doesn't hurt either. Musicians stupid enough to sign with an RIAA member deserve no listeners, no profit, and no airtime.

    Don't buy RIAA member CDs, make music mixes for friends and support the indie scene. If someone chides you about filesharing, tell them to get stuffed.

    http://www.downhillbattle.org/ http://www.eff.org/ http://www.riaaradar.com/

  17. It will be nice... by SilentResistance · · Score: 2, Funny

    when they outlaw loudly distributing music over the atmospheric network. Thus I will finally be able to get some sleep...

  18. admissable in court? by a_greer2005 · · Score: 3, Insightful
    How can any LAN data be admissible in court? There are two ways that the RIAA can get the data:
    1: gain unauthotized access to the network: a crime
    or
    2: pay off students, who are not experts, or potentialy worse, students with know-how and malis to collect the data, so how can they prove that the data is valid, and not tamperd with?

    Any lawyers in the house? Care to give it a shot?

    1. Re:admissable in court? by thepotoo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      you don't undersand their tacitcs. It's all about fear. They are trying to scare you into thinking that if you pirate music, you'll get caught.

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  19. This happend to me.. by Ichigo+Kurosaki · · Score: 3, Interesting

    About two weeks ago the direct connect hub at the university of texas was shut down due to outside pressure from the **aa. Our ITS department already imposed strict bandwidth restrictions on amount of bandwidth used (4gb-12gb a week with more bandwidth costing more money). We used the hub to share files (primarily new tv shows) so everyone could get what they wanted without runnign out of bandwidth. Before the letters, ITS looked the other way because the hub accually saved them money on bandwidth. The owner of the hub had his internet revoked and was orderd to shut down the hub a facebook group and serve 40 hours of community service in exchange for not turning his name over to the copyright holders for prosecution.

  20. Universities are complicit with internal networks by turkeyphant · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In the UK, almost every university has at least one DC++ hub that a large portion of the student body knows about and uses. Many have customised installers that make it easy for lay people to get starting filesharing and, with computers so ubiquitous on campus, almost anyone has the knowledge to get involved.

    The thing is, these massively efficient networks that often contain dozens of TiBs of data would not be nearly as widespread as they are if it weren't for unwritten university policies. If the university isn't on JANET, external bandwidth is expensive. If it is, bandwidth isn't metered as such, but it's in the institutions' interests to not rinse their external traffic too much especially with high upload rates favoured by P2P protocols such as Bittorrent. As such, students using massive amounts of external P2P bandwidth are quickly clamped down upon while they are simultaneously reminded that the existing LAN costs sweet fuck all. What's more, untold masses of viruses come in from kids searching for warez ftp sites or loading up KaZaA.

    It doesn't take too long for the computer scientists to put two and two together and test the waters with a DC++ hub either within the university or outside. As long as users do not saturate the university network and hence impinge upon academic use, it's a win-win situation. College kids get the new Tool album for free without getting busted and the university avoids angry letters from the xxAA while seeing its bandwidth bills fall. As long as students don't make it the university's problem, they're happy to ignore it.

    It's hard to see how the RIAA can achieve anything by this. After all, they are private networks and no university's computer office is going to give them access to their network if they have any sense. The kids will be forced back to torrents and such. As long as those running hubs are intelligent enough to delete logs and people are prepared to migrate to something like WASTE, the RIAA's efforts are futile.

  21. First Gonzales, now the RIAA by Gary+Destruction · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Gonzales wants to track users on the Internet for the sake of "fighting porn". This in of itself is scary because it's not difficult to imagine the potential for abuse. Now the RIAA wants to monitor college networks for "file sharing". This could easily be manipulated to filter out certain ideas and beliefs as a means to suppress freedom of speech. It could also be used to target students for their beliefs.

  22. The RIAA..? by wingman358 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    First of all, why is the RIAA monitoring colleges' LANs? Is that even legal? Secondly, I fileshare on my LAN all the time. The sharing of my clients' orders and bills is necessary to the survival of my business. Don't flame me for asking this because I honestly don't know the answer: does the RIAA have any authority or legal right to be monitoring students and their actions on private college's LANs? Where does the Recording Industry Association of America get off thinking that they have any authority over the sharing on local networks?

    1. Re:The RIAA..? by Randall311 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This all depends on if the students are sharing inside the school LAN privately like the i2hub did, or if students are hooked up to the outside world sharing illegal files via bittorrent and gnutella protocols. I'm willing to bet that it's the latter I have grown sick and tired of the RIAA coming after everything and everyone they feel are hurting their precious bottom line. They are alienating future cursomers with their scare tactics. I could give a shit if they have a legitimate argument or not, I am so sick of them beating this dead horse to a pulp. When the hell are these MFers going to learn to adapt to the times. If you can't beat 'em join 'em. I like Microsoft more then I like the RIAA.

      Does anybody remember when the MPAA was bitching and moaning about VCRs back in the day? Ohhhh nooo peple aren't going to buy movies any more. Guess what, people still buy movies because they're superior format and quality. The RIAA should be imbracing file sharing instead of trying to squash it. If they had brain one over there then they would be trying to spin this to their advantage. Good business adapt to survive. Bad ones try to muscle everyone into doing what they want, and die trying.

    2. Re:The RIAA..? by jfern · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Whether they have a legal right is irrelevant, look at all of the laws that don't apply to the Bush adminstration.

  23. Nice roundup, and on top of... by RareButSeriousSideEf · · Score: 2, Insightful
    ...being ineffective (or more likely, counterproductive to their own interests in the long run), the various incarnations of **AAs' recent strategies just have to implode before long. I mean, here you have a whole industry -- arguably second only to jurisprudence advisory services in sheer disingenuousness -- and somehow we've let them get away with using one after another of our nation's institutions as their own little unpaid stop-loss departments.

    It may take a while, but eventually they're going to run that tap dry. Being a fruitless-effort hobbyist myself, I'll try to hasten the day by pissing and moaning at my elected officials. Hey, someone has to, what with all the actual grown-up problems sitting on the back burner while public servants pour ever more time, money & former constitutional rights into legislating a perfect digital Fort Knox for the entertainment industry.

  24. From a college student at an effected University by ECELonghorn · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Most of the time when I read the modded up comments below the summaries, someone has already said everything worth saying... but for this paticular article it seems like even a lot of the the +5 comments are, well, crap.

    I am a student at the University of Texas. One week ago our DC++ hub was shut down. This was unexpected and unprecedented. A few months earlier the school news paper even interviewed people with ITS who basically said they could care less about the hub. After the university received some type of a cease and desist letter, our school's ITS contacted the primary HUB admin, and long story short within less than 24 hours the hub had to shut down forever. Amoung other obscure sidenotes, they even ordered that the facebook group "Direct Connect Users Group" be deleted. My friends at Texas A&M have told me their hub is down right now too, similar story.

    Both our colleges had hubs constantly sharing about 20TB of data, 24-7, with net download speeds of 1.5Mbps. Every TV show was on our hub within 4 hrs of airing. Adobe Acrobat 7 and Office 2007 were both readily avaialable before I could, not that I ever would of course, download them from private bittorrent trackers. The files were never corrupted, there was no risk of getting caught, and everything mainstream you could ever want was on the hub.

    One huge appeal of the hub also was it's simplicity of use. 5GB share minimum was pretty much the only barrier to entry. I know friends who downloaded from DC++ who never heard of BitTorrents in their life, and for that matter, have asked me for help reinstalling windows. It was so simple and easy to use to the average non-geek that now that it has gone down people ask me what to do and give me blank looks.

    So in response to every post about other alternatives to file sharing or otherwise really miss the significance of this, I think it is quite a significant win for RIAA.

  25. Re:When last i heard from the majority of congress by Jerf · · Score: 3, Interesting

    When interviewed, the majority of congressmen said point blank that person to person "dormroom" sharing of music was fair use and in no way objectionable.

    Sounds interesting. Link?

  26. Filesharing - so what? by sbaker · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I really don't understand this witch-hunt against file sharing - peer-to-peer. etc. The Internet is all about moving files from A to B - http, ftp, scp, nfs, email, bittorrent...these are all just ways of moving data around.

    You can illegally copy copyrighted works using almost any protocol you can imagine - so the existance of a community of people moving data around means NOTHING. Unless the **AA can show WHAT is being moved around - and that it's illegal, there is no reason to single out any one particular protocol as the cause for worry.

    Even if you imagine one particular protocol is predominantly used for wrong-doing - you can't reasonably penalise the legal uses of that protocol. If you actually succeeded in shutting down one protocol - another can be invented overnight. This is simply the wrong approach to dealing with copyright violations.

    Argh.

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  27. The RIAA can't ban legitimate file sharing by AusIV · · Score: 2, Interesting
    There are quite a few legitimate uses of file sharing. Bit Torrent, for example, was designed to take the load off of web servers, not as a piracy tool. Yes it gets abused, probably more than it gets used legitimately (especially on college campuses), but I find BitTorrent to be great for getting ISOs of Linux distributions without burdening the the creator of the distro. There's no reason that ought to be banned.

    But perhaps a more significant file sharing program comes built into Windows. The Windows file share and samba allow people to share data between their own computers. If my university blocked samba shares I would be greatly inconvenienced. My main computer is a laptop that runs windows. It has a small hard drive, so I keep most of my files on my Linux box via a samba share. The Linux box isn't powerful enough to replace my laptop, it's just there to provide storage space. I'm not sharing my files with the world, or even a few other people on campus, so the RIAA has no right to tell me (or my university) that I can't share files between my own computers.

    As much as the RIAA pisses me off, I think the pirates are largely to blame. If some people weren't always trying to get copyrighted works without paying for them, the media producers wouldn't have nearly as many excuses to bind users to certain platforms in order to use the media.

  28. Re:When last i heard from the majority of congress by Zarhan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What next.. "illegal sharing through car radios"? .. "in the news today the RIAA demanded that automakers comply with new requirements to prevent passers by and non-drivers from "illeagally hearing" music from car stereos which "by law" is only entitled to the owner/operator of the vehicle alone."

    Already true in Finland for Taxi drivers - when there's a passenger, either the radio is switched off or the driver (or Taxi company) pay's levys to the RIAA equivalent here.

  29. Who Will Pay? by CodeBuster · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If the RIAA wants the university to filter their network to protect their copyrights and their bottom line then they should pay the university for all of the network equipment, bandwidth, employee/consultant hours, and any other expenses necessary to conduct the filtering. The mission of any university is to provide higher education and policing the student body so that a private industry organization, which is entirely external to the mission of the university, will not suffer from potential loss of profits is NOT the responsibility of the university. The question is not whether file sharing is legal, but rather to what extent the university can be compelled to shoulder the cost of protecting the intellectual property of someone else, especially in the expensive and escalating arms race between the RIAA and the file sharers. If the university makes a good faith effort to inform students in their acceptable use policy what is and is not acceptable use and complies with reasonable and specific subpoenas (subject to reasonable charges for research, copies, and other legal expenses that any other civil plaintiff would have to pay) the I would say that they (the university) have satisfied their obligation under the law. If the RIAA et al wants more extensive monitoring then they can shell out the $100,000+ for extra servers and network monitoring gear along with the consultants to operate it all and the university employees' time (billed at least $100 per hour for interruption of normal university related duties). They cannot compel us to pay to protect THEIR property, only the government has the power to tax. Anyway, no other private business gets anywhere near the cooperation from law enforcement at the expense of the tax paying public and still they complain. The FBI should be traking down the identity thieves, terrorists, serial killers, and other really nasty criminals...not wasting their time busting copyright infringers on behalf of the entertainment industry. The RIAA should get off our campuses and they should take their craptastic "music" with them.

  30. Re:From a college student at an effected Universit by ECELonghorn · · Score: 3, Informative
    Stay in school kid. The phrase is "could not care less" not "could care less." If you were in school learning something you would have the critical thinking skills to not sound so stupid.

    Strangely enough, I will say I thought about the expression when I typed it. I did a makeshift check on google...
    • "could not care less" returns about 321,000 Results
    • "could care less" returns about 5,480,000 Results
    Check the hit count yourself; there really is that big of difference in results. I merely stuck with the most common usage.




    Disclaimer: For anyone who did happen to think critically about what I said, I will qualify that "couldn't care less" returns about 3,270,000 Results. That was the original cliche phrase, which over time has evolved for whatever reason to omit the "not" part. The real bottom line is that both versions are almost equally used, and the average person could care less which version you pick. ;-)
  31. Good Luck by focitrixilous+P · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They'll never stop LAN sharing. While I'm an engineering student, most people can understand Filezilla, a nice ftp client that supports SFTP. Hard drives are cheap these days, and anyone with a weeks linux experience can set up an SFTP server and share the username password. I doubt my school will bother to track down and break the encryption on it, the worst ehy would do is shut off our connection for a day as a warning, and there are enough poorly configured wireless points that losing the ethernet for a day isn't a problem.

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  32. offtopic, but... by toadlife · · Score: 2, Informative
    "I still blame the McDonalds 'Hot Coffee' incident."


    There are many great examples of abuse in the civil courts, but I don't think the McDonalds coffee lawsuit is one of them.

    See this.
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  33. Re:If 100,000 people would sit and write by EzInKy · · Score: 2, Insightful


    their congressmen and demanded that they deal with the mad dogs that are the RIAA, they'd geek in about 20 seconds. We need to speak up and put an end to this insanity.


    People are speaking up, they just aren't "greasing" the wheels of justice properly. Now if every one of those 100,000 people enclosed a $50 "donation" and a pledge of $50 more when sane legislation is enacted you might actually see something done.

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  34. Shots in the Dark by Nexox+Enigma · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In the letter that the RIAA sent to these colleges, they specified DC and Mytunes/Ourtunes. Now I have no idea how common DC hubs are at universities, but I do happen to know that iTunes pirating is very popular. How many campuses out there are absent of this form of piracy? Maybe the one without computers? The RIAA could have sent these to any campus with a listed administrative email account (Though I'm sure they went for larger campuses...)

    I looked up the two devices that they reccomend. One has taken heavy flack from the EFF and is seems easy enough to defeat. The other's website hasn't been updated in years, and their 'news' lists events that vaguely occur with piracy. I'm sure that these 'solutions' would not be inexpensive, especially if the average campus's networking situation is anywhere near as kludged together as the one I attend.

    I don't see what the RIAA is getting at here, unless they get some profits from however many of those filtering devices sell. If they do, though, I think that falls under the category of racketeering, though I'm far from an expert on the subject.

    Its obvious that the RIAA has no future. I just want to know when they'll get around to realizing that.

  35. Re:Your legislators say they do. by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 4, Interesting
    but declaring that said laws don't apply to software makers looking for illegal or unauthorized activity.

    Ok. I am a software maker (author of a couple of open source programs). And I occasionally like hacking (sorry, cracking), especially where I can prove that Windows security is lacking... So, if caught, I'll just claim my hacks were just probes to check whether there wasn't any kiddie porn on those company networks that I "tested". After all, as a software maker, it's my RIAA-given right to probe third parties for unauthorized activity!

  36. If one thing needs to be shut down by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Insightful

    it's the RIAA. A dinosaur whose right to exist has expired.

    In my capitalism books, what is obsolete has to vanish to the market can concentrate on material that is valuable. Now, capitalism has been turned upside down. Obsolete companies and market structures are kept artificially alive with laws.

    Roll back about 100 years, when the automobile came into existance and hackney coaches became obsolete. Remember the laws that look so stupid today? The "man waving a red flag that has to walk in front of automobiles" and similar rubbish? Same shit.

    What did it serve? It was annoying then, and it's something we can only shake our heads at today. Who'd come up with a STUPID law like that?

    Well, now you have it all over again. Instead of traffic laws, now it's copyright laws that come up with harebrained ideas to protect a business that is essentially dead.

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  37. Some New Laws by RIAA : by unity100 · · Score: 2, Funny

    - Mandatory helmets and helmet cams to ensure that no one lends a copyrighted cd to his/her friend

    - Mandatory mic implants to ensure that noone murmurs a copyrighted song while going to work and back

    - Mandatory in-house representatives to ensure copyrighted lullabies are not sung to babies

    - Mandatory arse cams to ensure that noone does sharing while 'online shitting'

  38. Isn't that hacking? by HangingChad · · Score: 2, Insightful
    The RIAA has sent letters [CC] to 40 university presidents in 25 separate states informing them that students are engaging in filesharing on their campuses using the local network.

    Assuming university computer networks are not public, wouldn't that constitute illegal access to their computer systems? I don't remember anything in the law suggesting it was okay to illegally access someone's system if you thought there was abuse of your IP going on...not that we're buying RIAA's definition of abusing IP in the first place.

    Why isn't the FBI asking RIAA how they got access to those networks? Perhaps they're busy out intimidating Republican political opponents. It is getting down to six months before the election, this would be their busy time of year.

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  39. There's only one way to fix this... by Stormbringer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...and I, for one, can't wait to see it happen.

    These schools (and, eventually, all others) are going to have to ban all RIAA recordings, in ANY format including CD and tape, from their campuses, with violations subject to immediate seizure and disposal. That includes blocking any radio feeds and frequencies that carry their tunes. That's the only way to end the legal exposure to RIAA racketeering.

    There's plenty of good music out there that isn't RIAA-tainted. Blanket-banning the tainted stuff will be a GOOD thing.