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New Piracy Loss Estimate
An anonymous reader writes "WSJ reports on a new MPAA estimate losses due to piracy. "The study, by LEK Consulting LLC, was completed last year, and people familiar with it say it reached a startling conclusion: U.S. movie studios are losing about $6.1 billion annually in global wholesale revenue to piracy, about 75% more than previous estimated losses of $3.5 billion in hard goods. On top of that, losses are coming not only from lost ticket sales, but from DVD sales that have been Hollywood's cash cow in recent years."
that said VCRs would kill the movie industry.
What if DVDs aren't worth owning and theaters are inconvenient? How are we supposed to support the movie industry then?
Karma: Good, or bust!
That's logical, right?
Pay $20+ for an ad infused FBI warning with regioning, or virtually nothing for no ads or FBI warnings or regioning.
Remove the warning, remove the ads, charge $10 max. I can live without movies if you force me to.
...if they were actually making movies worth watching!
People shape laws. Not the other way around.
...until I read this:
An additional $529 million in losses came from consumers making copies of legitimate films they bought on DVD or VHS.
Losses? You have to buy another one when you want to make a copy? Pay-per-disc?
They're counting every time any kind of copy is made as a loss of sale. They're not even trying to be realistic here.
Mod me down and I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine!
I don't even understand why they bother using real numbers in these studies. Why not just move ahead to the logical conclusion, and have the study say that the MPAA loses a zillion bajillion dollars per year to piracy? It would be about as meaningful.
Incidentally, do you ever notice how you never see any studies calculating the exact amount of money the MPAA loses each year from making crappy, unoriginal, cookie-cutter movies; showing the movies in a medium where you have to spend gas money to get to the theater and then more than half the cost of a DVD to get in the theater door; and then once they have your money putting more effort into showing you more ads than they do the movie? That's a study I'd be curious to read.
I'm sure it's quite obvious to most people that they're just inflating numbers. They can't really even begin to estimate how much revenue is lost to piracy on a yearly basis. I'll wager a substantial sum of money that in a few years this number will grow by another 2 or 3 billion dollars, not because people are pirating any more or any less music, movies, books, or other forms of media, but because the corporations want to make it seem as though they're in danger of falling apart. The truth of the matter is that they've been ripping consumers off for so many years that they have more than enough money to withstand the effects of piracy. Their hesitation to change and adapt by switching to new business models and solutions only reaffirms my belief that these corporate dinosaurs are actually in need of extinction.
If you can't be creative and adapt to the modern world market and find new methods of selling your product, please get the hell out of the way of the companies and people that are trying to make a difference. The stagnation and lack of creative thinking is inflicting more harm on the consumers and economy than any amount of piracy could ever do. Sink, swim, or get the hell out of the water.
I don't know why I bother:
This is funny, it almost sounds from the article that they changed their methodology to increase their claimed "losses", and had to rein them back in when they discovered their losses exceeded global Gross (International) Product.
I'm surprised to see such an MPAA friendly article from WSJ. Or maybe I'm not.
Are they REALLY losing anything when people such as me download a movie or game that I never would have bought in the first place? I would easily not pirate the game and not pay $50 for it, or I could borrow it from a friend, or anything. I buy stuff worth buying, end of story.
the Political Inquirer
They are guessing, and they are being overoptimistic about market prospects with no piracy.
The problem is, there is no evidence that the drop in sales from their expectations was due to piracy.
Drop in sales can be due to the market; DVDs and ticket sales may no longer be attractive -- drop in sales figures may reflect people seeking alternative, cheaper entertainment options.
Yes, piracy exists, yes it has an impact, but no, that impact cannot be reliably measured with any precision -- there are too many factors influencing the sales numbers you get; primarily, the market - to presume sales always go up unless piracy drives them down is just plain arrogant and a head-up-in-the-clouds assumption.
The amount of piracy occuring is by its very nature a relatively unknown factor, especially when they refer to casual copying, or other things which DRM and other measures are purported to prevent ---- the best that can be made is an educated guess.
These from the people who consider lending an original copy of a CD to a friend to be piracy ---- they cannot reasonably measure the total of such things with anything close to an accurate reading, it's just not practical to get statistically relevant information from a population that is being told what many of them do is bad.
Of COURSE reporters and researchers paid by a company with a certain agenda are likely to drastically exagerate the extent and certainty about the loss being due to piracy or not due to piracy.
Is there *ever* going to be a point when the xxAA reports good news again? For instance, "Ticket sales are down, but we've increased profits by not releasing so many terrible movies this year." Or, "We increased sales of DVDs this year by reducing the price by $3 across the board."
Not likely.
As long as they keep complaining, they have a way to justify restricting access to digital (and analog) content.
Not that it really matters, because they have the money to pay lobbyists to influnece Congress anyway. But the public may be able to stomach some sort of compromise with regards to fair use restrictions if the xxAAs keep bitching and complaining.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those with loaded guns, and those who dig.
I don't like being forced to watch copyright warnings, stupid "don't steal" commercials and having trouble with archiving movies, so I prefer watching 'stolen' copies, which don't have any added crap.
Sure, another guestimate of what they think their losses are based on what they would like to think they're really making.
The real reason I don't belive a word of it is they think they're only losing 244mill in China.
And they claim $529mill in losses in the US because consumers are using their fair use rights to make a backup copy so they don't have to go out and rebuy movies every time a disk gets scratched because the MPAA is too cheap to use scratch resistant disks.
How long until they blame Netflix and Blockbuster because people are renting movies at a prepaid monthly rate instead of buying them.
F7 doesn't work, ignore spelling and grammar
10 x 10,000,000,000 x US$20 = US$2,000,000,000,000 = 2 Trillion US Dollars
This clearly dwarfs the cost of invading Iraq and giving Baby Boomers their Social Security benefits put together, therefore it is much more important. It is in fact, as shown by the objective calculations above, by far the most important issue on earth today. More than global warming, AIDS, tuberculosis, environmental pollution, shortages of potable water, collapse of fisheries, ozone layer depletion, overpopulation, lack of medical care, famine, poverty, slavery, wars in the Third World, tyrannical dictatorships, nuclear weapons proliferation, exploitation of the many by the few, rampant governmental corruption, compromised information and news media, organized crime, in short more important than anything.
Someone should tell the RIAA.
From the article "An additional $529 million in losses came from consumers making copies of legitimate films they bought on DVD or VHS".
Isn't that fair use?
-ItsME
That may be the only way to pay them after they withdraw from the american market. After all, they're apparently losing 1.3 billion dollars a year by selling movies here.
Badass Resumes
I say to you that the VCR is to the American film producer and the American public as the Boston strangler is to the woman home alone.
Do you think maybe the MPAA hired someone to go strangle women -- later known as the Boston Strangler -- just so they could have a scary phantom to use as a simile when battling the VCR in court?
Nah, they wouldn't stoop that low... would they?
Please don't fall into their game of using the word "piracy" for sharing data with other people in your society. We can debate all we like about whether that sharing is right, and we may even argue that it morally amounts to theft, but the *act* is sharing, and that's what it should be called. Regardless of the origins of the word piracy, it has a negative and unhelpful connotation.
They wouldn't, and its not terribly accurate either.
Its almost impossible to set up two movies that would give identical results and know it ahead of time. Its going to depend on the type of movie, the actors involved, etc.
Almost ANYTHING could taint this study, a stiff wind could make it null and void. Not to mention the one they didn't set up for download, would be set up for download like it always is anyway, regular pirates would get ahold of it anyway. The only difference would be the average joes who hear about this and go download the other one proving their point.
Honestly not terribly interesting.
I like to consider myself a man of principle, and my heart tells me what they are doing is wrong so I refuse to be a part of it.
At first, it kinda hurt, I hated listening to the radio due to all the commercials, and there were movies that came out that I really wanted to see and did not want to wait to come out on DVD or the movie channels but after a while, you get used to it. Purchasing an XM Radio really helped alot, so now I dont miss the CD's and with a Tivo and a phat home theater setup, I allways have something to watch so I dont mind waiting for the movies to come out on cable.
I know that my silent little protest doesnt do shit to hurt their industry, and I am not niave enough to think that a mass boycott will ever work but screw em, I aint paying those jerks a dime if I can possibly avoid it :)
I wonder if the manufacturers of player piano music claimed that their losses were due to pirates when technology changed and made their buisness model obsolete?
I long for the death of the recording industry.......
It's only paranoia if your wrong...
copies of movies downloaded or received from people who had downloaded them cost the studios $447 million
Waitaminithere...
Every time someone downloads a movie, money gets siphoned out of the studio's bank accounts?!?!?!
How the hell can someone downloading something cost them actual cash?
U.S. movie studios are losing about $6.1 billion annually in global wholesale revenue to piracy,
Or, put another way, US movie studios saved $2.5B annually in income taxes from the losses claimed due to the global wholesale revenue loss to piracy.
Just imagine how big the losses would be if they made movies that were actually worth watching!
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