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Boot Camp For Suckers?

DigitalDame2 writes "PC Magazine's Editor-in-Chief says the whole Mac/Windows dual-boot thing is really nothing to get excited about. He writes that Boot Camp is really just a plan to get Windows users to convert to OS X." From the article: "Once you've laid out a few kilobucks on your BC system and been frustrated a few times with Windows limitations, what are you going to do? Jobs's bet: You'll start spending more and more time in OS X, until you--too--become one of the pod people. It's sad to see so many of my compatriots being turned into lemmings. Perhaps they'll wake up and smell the Apple pie in the sky--and realize they've been taken for a ride. But I doubt it."

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  1. Message for Captain Obvious by MoxCamel · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Boot Camp is really just a plan to get Windows users to convert to OS X.

    Well...duh! Did anyone think Apple was doing it as a public service?

    Next up: Publishers put nice pictures on their book covers so you will buy them. Bastards!!

    Mox

    1. Re:Message for Captain Obvious by jcr · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Did anyone think Apple was doing it as a public service?

      The main purposes of boot camp are: 1) keep people from destroying their Macs by trying to follow the directions they found on the web for hacking the boot sequence, and 2) allow Mac users to forego having an extra PC around to run that one windows-only app that they have to use for work.

      -jcr

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      The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
    2. Re:Message for Captain Obvious by FooAtWFU · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Boot Camp is really just a plan to get Windows users to convert to OS X.
      Well...duh! Did anyone think Apple was doing it as a public service?
      Converting Windows users to OS X is a public service. Converting Windows users to anything is a public service.

      And, for the record, the only thing Apple makes that I own is the Mighty Mouse (it works surprisingly well with my IBM ThinkPad).

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    3. Re:Message for Captain Obvious by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 5, Insightful
      One word: GAMES

      --This has nothing to do with the office environment, and everything to do with shoring up the gaming system on Macs. One OS for games, and one OS for everything else... you don't generally need to have both running at the same time.

    4. Re:Message for Captain Obvious by KillerDeathRobot · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Most Windows users actually like their OS and would not want to switch.

      Congratulations! You've just won the Made Up Fact of the Hour Award!

      There's no way whatsoever to prove that. You completely just made it up, probably from your own experience. Which is exactly what you're decrying (though the post you quoted doesn't really seem to have anything to do with that).

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      Thinkin' Lincoln - a web comic of presidential proportions
    5. Re:Message for Captain Obvious by daviddennis · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Most Windows(tm) users don't even know what an OS is and have no basis for selecting one.

      If we look at the subset of Windows users who actually know alternatives exist - and I'd say that's 1 in 5 or even less - most of them are either used to Windows or would rather use an alternative but need to use software they're famliar with.

      But remember, Apple is starting from a small base. If Apple's market share changed from 3% to 6% - which I think is definitely possible - that would be a huge story.

      D

    6. Re:Message for Captain Obvious by eikonos · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Maybe they aren't switching because they have to buy all new hardware and then learn a new OS and applications. This is exactly why Bootcamp is useful -- users who are considering buying new hardware, but aren't sure about switching OS's can dual-boot and try out OS X.

    7. Re:Message for Captain Obvious by SirSlud · · Score: 3, Insightful

      > (probably, I don't code)

      That small detail slightly undermines the credibility of your argument. As a programmer, I can offer some insight into your argument which is trotted out everytime an OSX/Windows BBQ hits slashdot. The truth of the matter is that while Windows itself does support a wide range of hardware, its less than Linux (which is free, and comparatively stable, if not more stable) and only sort-of more than OSX since most hardware specific code is abstracted from the OS in the form of common APIs.

      People can debate whether Windows is stable, not stable, better, not better than OSX until th cows come home, but the wide array of hardware argument is a tired old cliche that while somewhat relevant, pales on comparison to more important factors that contribute to code stability: the business approach, time to market policies, varying strategies in deploying product updates, level of integration with 2nd or 3rd party applications, internal organizational consistancy, etc, etc, etc. Most importantly, most everybody in the know agrees that it isn't supporting 'millions and millions' of configs that causes Windows to be such a huge codebase ... its MS trying to remain backwards compatible to itself .. so millions and millions of programs might be more accurate. MS bends over backwards to keep your old applications runnable on newer versions of the OS. Whether that is a good thing or a bad thing (bad, IMHO) is an exercise left to the buyer, who pays for this backwards compatibility in lack of feature advancement and stability with each new revision of Windows.

      Most of the 'hardware' support is driven by the hardware (or OEM) vendors themselves; all OSes have sufficient hardware abstraction layers that make supporting 'millions and millions' of configs simply a matter of resources and market support, not technical hurdles.

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    8. Re:Message for Captain Obvious by Jeremi · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Again: What is the problem?


      The Mighty Mouse is advertised as being able to work as a two-button mouse. With a two-button mouse, I can click the right mouse button while my finger is resting on the left mouse button, and the computer receives a right-click event. With the Mighty Mouse, that doesn't work: the computer receives a left-click event, even though I "clicked" the right side of the mouse.


      I call that a hardware bug. "Caveat emptor" is all well and good to say, but pretending the bug is actually a feature is only deluding yourself.

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      I don't care if it's 90,000 hectares. That lake was not my doing.
    9. Re:Message for Captain Obvious by PasteEater · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "If so many Windows users hate Windows, then why aren't they switching?"

      a) The hardware is more expensive
      b) Gotta buy all new software
      c) Not wanting to devote hours re-learning how to use their computer
      d) The usual FUD (nothing's compatible, etc.)

      I'm a Mac user, but there are plenty of reasons not to switch even if you don't like Windows. To put it another way, "hating" Windows may not be compelling enough to scrap everything and start over.

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      There are two kinds of people in the world: those with loaded guns, and those who dig.
    10. Re:Message for Captain Obvious by Ryan+Amos · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah. Because the Windows users, who make up 95% of the computing market, aren't lemmings.

    11. Re:Message for Captain Obvious by colmore · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Funny, my only Microsoft product is a mouse...

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  2. Jealousy is a terrible thing. In the meantime... by Sierran · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...those of us who have a reason to use it will reap the benefits. Yes, Virginia, there are some. Battlefield 2, for example. Annoyingly-single-platform hardware updaters, like cell phone flashers and the like. Those little one-off tasks that I used to have to go find a windows PC for? Not so much anymore. Whee! When I need to do real work? Yep, you're right, I turn back into a pod person.

    Seriously, why does this guy care so much?

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    A hero is someone who knows when to run away. I am a hero. -Trent the Uncatchable
  3. Confused? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So, users are going to try OS X, find it works better for them, keep using it, and this makes them lemmings and pod people? I would have thought that this term applied better to people who used a system that didn't work as well for them as the alternatives. By starting the argument assuming that OS X is less frustrating than Windows pretty much destroys any change the author had of making a coherent argument that people should now switch.

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  4. Strange definition of "lemming" by vanyel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So let me understand this: people compare two os's side by side on the same hardware. When they find that the one they're not familiar with is much better than the one they're used to, and they switch, they're lemmings? I always thought a lemming would be doing what everyone else does just because everyone else does it, which sounds a lot more like your typical Windoze user to me...

    Unfortunately, I don't think anyone's going to buy a relatively expensive mac just so they can try osx on a machine that will still run windoze. Boot Camp's primary utility is saving mac users from having to buy a pc to run applications that they need to run, but which only work in windoze. If/when a native mode virtual pc comes out, boot camp will be even less relevant. To that end, I can agree that boot camp is nothing to get excited about, but that doesn't mean it's without merit.

  5. How did this guy even get a job? by scrondle · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I knew there was a reason I haven't looked at PC Magazine since 1998. That's not an article, it's a rant. How about some technical details/reasons why he doesn't like boot camp? What a tool.

  6. Consider the source: Louderbeck by sakusha · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Remember that screed was written by Jim Louderbeck, one of the more notorious anti-Mac PeeCee trolls. I still remember him doing the commentary on a Stevenote carried on ZDTV a few years back, he nitpicked on everything, for no good reasons. Note that his employer, Ziff-Davis, has a major investment from Vulcan Ventures (Paul Allen). Loudermouth knows he has to cater to his owner's financial interests. Nice little doggie, sit up and beg, little Loudermouth!

  7. Apple isn't out to steal Windows users by Shazow · · Score: 4, Insightful

    My understanding is that BootCamp allows current Mac users to run Windows on their Mac. The article seems to argue that this will encourage Windows users to get Macs and stick with OSX instead of BootCamping in Windows. That may apply to a few people, but for the most part I disagree.

    As others have pointed out, it seems that the primary strategy behind BootCamp is: Give people the option to use whatever operating system they like. Apple has allowed their consumers to install Linux on their machines since forever, and now they're allowing Windows, too.

    What does Apple have to gain? Profits from hardware sales, of course. Plus, whenever you're buying a Mac, you're also buying OSX, so they're not losing much software profits either. Who else has to gain? Possibly Microsoft in the short run (all those Mac kiddies giving Windows a shot without having to buy a PC).

    And then there is the whole other market of people who aren't concerned about software expandability so much as hardware. Macs aren't great for upgrading their hardware. Windows or no windows.

    - shazow

  8. The More Effete Among Us by American+AC+in+Paris · · Score: 5, Insightful
    From TFA:

    The more effete among us have embraced BC because now they can run all their favorite Windows apps on a saucy, sexy Mac.

    Wow. Nothing says "class" like a thinly-veiled "Macs are for fags" joke.

    You'd exect this sort of thing from a random blogger or Slashdotter, not the freakin' editor-in-chief of PC Magazine.

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  9. Missing the point? by abes · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I suspect that the majority of people are not buying macs to run windows as their primary OS. If so, I'm going to agree with him. If I wanted to spend the same amount of money and run windows, I'd get a tablet. If only Apple made one...

    The fact is, the majority of people buying the MacTel, are buying it because it runs OSX AND Windows. No other laptop can really claim that -- at least legally (and easily). This is a really important distinction. I love OSX. I'm a linuxhead, but just having things work, and work together seamlessly. Priceless. (though my desktop is still a linux box)

    For my laptop, I have no desire to run windows. I'm through with that agony in my life. I want to enjoy my computing experience. However, I am realistic. There are some applications, unfortunately, that still require windows. Bootcamp gives me the perfect compromise.

    So, this editor is way off base. It's true, Apple isn't performing a public service. But they are taking down one more barrier that would normally stop people from buying their computers. And it's true. Once you start using OS X, you find yourself much less likely to go back to Windows. But not because of some strange Apple conspiracy. Because it kicks M$'s ass (comparing apples to lemons?). And this is from someone who wouldn't touch a Mac a couple years ago.

  10. Praising with Faint D@mns ... by rewinn · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Once you've .... been frustrated a few times with Windows limitations, what are you going to do? .... start spending more and more time in OS X

    I don't know whether the article is confused or trying to be clever, but I don't think Apple minds 'criticism' such as that.

  11. Re:Jealousy is a terrible thing. In the meantime.. by Lewisham · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Seriously, why does this guy care so much?"

    Apparently he's noticed that John C. Dvorak's trolling puts the hit count through the roof. Only makes sense to start using the rest of the magazine's brand to start trolling as well.

    He's obviously got some sort of logic malfunction, his arguments are both bizarre and full of emotive language. It's professional trolling.

  12. Warning: Humour Alert by ickoonite · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Guys, guys, guys! Calm down, calm down!

    I think he's trying to be funny.

    I am English. I know sarcasm. It's what we do. And I think that's what he's trying to do here. It's not very well done, but there are little hints. It's why he links to himself and calls himself "some idiot". It's why he specifically mentions the M-Audio and Kona kit (the latter is Mac only). Of course it works with the Mac.

    So all those who are praising him for his insight, for debunking the Mac myth - stop now. Same goes for the Mac fanbois who are trying to find fault with his article.

    It's subtle, I'll allow that, but remember: always consult the nearest Brit before responding to something that sounds a little bit too stupid to be true. It probably is.

    iqu :P

  13. Logical Analysis by Kelson · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The logic of the piece appears to be thus:

    1. I don't like Macs, Apple, or Steve Jobs.
    2. I don't like anything that can't be tinkered with.
    3. Boot Camp is an Apple Product.
    4. By #1 and #2, anyone who likes any of the above is an idiot and/or brainwashed.
    5. By #3 and #4, Boot Camp is for idiots.

    While #5 may proceed logically from #3 and #4, #4 does not proceed from #1 or #2.

    I'd say the author has a wonderful future ahead of him in either Slashdot trolling, talk radio, or writing about politics. Editing a computer magazine? Not so sure about that one.

  14. The Article is Troll Bait, Don't Waste Your Time by sofla · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Subject says it all. I went over to read the linked article and I regretted it. The guy is so painfully clueless on this topic, its hard to know where to begin. His most blatant mis-statement:

    "Apple's not interested in a DIY Mac, nor is it concerned with the case-mod culture of the PC."

    True Apple isn't big on a DIY system. Neither are most Mac users. But saying that there isn't a case-mod culture among Mac users is completely asinine. MacAddict runs case mod articles - with photos - on a semi-regular basis, all you'd have to do is pick up a back issue or two to see how wrong this statement is. And if you don't know about MacAddict (as I suspect the author doesn't) you really have no business making commentary about Mac users or case-mod culture.

    "I don't know about you, but when I buy a computer I want everything to work right."

    This of course is one of the top reasons that people buy Macs. The tight integration between the OS and the hardware still beats Windows Plug-and-Pray 9 times out of 10. "Plug it in, and it just works" has been the Apple mantra for *years*. Its what the users expect. Compare to Windows XP, where plugging in a new monitor meant I had to re-install my wireless network driver, or adding memory forces me to register with Microsoft on my next reboot? I'm not sure what's worse, that these things happen or that it doesn't bother me anymore.

    There are other serious flaws with the article. It really has no redeeming value, and its just so loaded with flamebait it reflects poorly on the authors of PC Magazine that they even published it.