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Self-Serve Car Rental

abb_road writes "Claiming 'Web2.0 values meet Brick and Mortar,' BusinessWeek is reporting on an entirely self service car rental company. Zipcar customers make all reservations online or using a cell phone, then use a card-key to pick up their car from the parking garage--no attendants needed. According to the article, one of the other important attractions of the system is transparency; the reservations system allows you to see exactly what cars in the area will be available at what times, and then reserve or adjust your plans accordingly. From the article: 'If the nearest Mini convertible is booked until 3 p.m., the customer might postpone plans by an hour to get it -- or decide the Mazda with a sunroof on another lot will do.'"

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  1. old news by dajak · · Score: 2, Informative

    We have this in the Netherlands since 1995. I've used it for years. You make reservations through the Internet or phone, and enter the car with your swipe card.

    1. Re:old news by dajak · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The one in the Netherlands is called Greenwheels and has complete neighbourhood coverage in the major 40 cities. It works by the same principles, since 1995. I used to have nine in walking distance from my home when I still lived in Amsterdam. One of the most convenient features of the system is that you can decide to use it from everywhere. Suddenly need a car at work? Want to take the train to some city, and then a car to get to some village? I'm still subscribed to it.

    2. Re:old news by blue+kazoo · · Score: 2, Funny
      Netherlands...major 40 cities

      Surely this is a typo!

  2. Annoying Trial by MrPsycho · · Score: 5, Funny

    This Evaluation of ZipCar 8.0 has expired. Please purchase the full version. Press your horn to continue.

  3. But... by QRDeNameland · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...who's going to to try to press you to pay an extra $20/day for the rip-off supplemental insurance on this plan?

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    1. Re:But... by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually, I like the supplemental insurance. Like all "insurance", it's really great if something bad happens. Since something bad generally doesn't happen, it's a rip-off.

      But I'll get it when I'm driving in Vermont at Christmastime just because I've forgotten everything I ever knew about driving in snow because I spend the other 11.5 months of the year in Southern California. I'll also occasionally get it if I'm renting something I'm not used to driving--like an SUV or a truck.

      Actually, my favorite story is from a place that does "exotic car rentals." They don't offer insurance on their cars--your insurance has to be able to deal with it or they won't let you rent the car. Some guy rented a lamborghini for his buddy on his buddy's 30th birthday. His buddy was driving the car (the renter was the passenger) and the buddy totaled the car. Complete write off. Of course, the buddy's insurance won't go that high. And the guy who rented the car wasn't the driver, so his insurance won't cover it. So the guy who rented the car is buying the rental company a new lamborghini--and, yes, he'll be paying for it for the next 20 years.

    2. Re:But... by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 2, Informative

      "Your story about the Lambo sounds like a bit of urban legend to me. They won't let you rent the car if your own insurance won't cover it, but they didn't check the guy's insurance to ensure it covered the value of an expensive car [...]"

      Nope. I saw the remains of the car and talked to the owner. I was there renting a Cooper Mini S--I like to rent cars I'm considering buying to see if I'm really going to like them and it's tough to get the 'S' version from the neighborhood Hertz or Avis.

      The person he rented it to did have insurance sufficient to cover the Lambo. The problem is that he wasn't the guy who was driving. The guy who was driving's insurance wouldn't cover the Lambo and the insurance company for the guy who rented the car wouldn't pay because the accident wasn't his fault--he was just a passenger. So the guy who rented the car was on the hook for the money.

  4. Zipcar has been around since Jun 2000 by winkydink · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Where've you been?

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  5. This is new??! by dorkygeek · · Score: 3, Informative
    Sorry to break it to you, Businees Week, but we've got such a system here since pre-2000. Exactly as described!

    Though in the early days, you were given a key to open a box at the parking space, which in turn contained the car keys. Nowadays, you are handed out a near-range wireless SmartCard which you use to open the car and activate it (there's some in-car computer). This new system has been implemented at around 2001. And it's nation-wide. (For the curious, it's www.mobility.ch).

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    1. Re:This is new??! by feijai · · Score: 2, Informative
      Sorry to break it to you, Businees Week, but we've got such a system here since pre-2000. Exactly as described!

      Zipcar's been in the US since 2000 as well. Business Week's a little slow on the draw.

  6. Re:Sounds Interesting by Karma+Farmer · · Score: 5, Funny

    Plus, what if someone hacked into the server and decided to "rent" a bunch of nice cars?

    What if someone in a monster truck drives over all the cars in the parking lot?

  7. Backgroung info on zipcar by k4_pacific · · Score: 2, Funny
    For those who don't remember, this is a followup to ZipCar's previous venture, a line of conveniently located car vending machines. The machines were essentially large parking garages that were built in major metropolitan areas. Customers would insert the MSRP of the car they wanted in dollars bills and change into the machine, then select their model using a Battleship-like combination of letters and numbers on a keypad. After selecting their model, a large steal coil would rotate and push the car off the parking garage. The car would then drop behind a door to be retrieved by the buyer. Unfortunately, the venture was fraught with problems from the start. Automakers wouldn't honor warranties on cars that had been dropped several stories, and many customers had difficulties obtaining refunds when they entered the wrong code and got a different model of car than they wanted.

    For more info, see the Wikipedia page on Zipcar.

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  8. Re:Maybe they will copy Blockbuster? by winkydink · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yeah. If you're more than 3 hours late, they bill the full value of the car to your credit card.

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  9. City Car Share by mattis_f · · Score: 3, Informative

    I can't speak for ZipCar, but I've been using City Car Share for about three years now. It's really smooth - there's a garage a couple blocks from my place, it costs $10 a month to be a member, renting a car is about $4 per hour and $0.4 per mile. This includes everything - gas, insurance, all.

    If you return the car late you get charged a pretty hefty late fee. You ca extend a reservation over the phone, provided that no-one else has reserved that car after you already. If you're running late and notify the office, you get a smaller late fee than you would have if you were just "missing".

    It's cost effective if you just need a car for a couple hours, or an evening. If you need it for a day or more, go to a car rental place.

    That article (if the summary is correct, which is a dangerous assumption to make on /. ) is real far behind.

  10. Re:Sounds Interesting by telbij · · Score: 4, Funny

    What if someone in a monster truck drives over all the cars in the parking lot?

    LMAO.

    Good reason not to park in a huge line of cars: big temptation for monster truck drivers.

  11. zipcar technology ok, company not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Zipcar is great in concept until you have to deal with the actual company. They have a couple of limited formulas in play as to how to attain profitability, and fines definitely factor in there. Not report cat hair you didn't notice on the back seat? Surprise, you get a huge cleaning bill and if you dare to question, your account is yanked. Hopefully these types of services will be regulated somewhere down the road.

  12. Re:Why bother by 4alexnyc · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This service is great for NYC residents - its far to expensive to own a car in the city and rental cars start at $60 a day without gas or insurance. And yes, you need insurance since I have no car insurance (because I don't own a car). The really nice part about Zipcar is it allows you to pick a car for a few hours - if I want to run out to Jersey or need a SUV to pickup a large package, why pay for an entire day when I can get a zipcar for a few hours? All the cars are stored in 24hr parking garages, so there's no security issues and when you call ahead, the attendant will even tell you if the car isn't there (in the event someone's late) which gives me time to schedule a replacement.

  13. Re:Buncha crap by jyoull · · Score: 5, Informative

    Jeez, people write without knowing much around here. Oh sorry, i forgot where i am.

    There is a whole flock of bicycle dudes who go out (in all weather, all year long) and take care of the cars. As well, Zipcar members are encouraged to inspect the car when they go to get it, and to immediately report any problems - dents, out of washer fluid, whatever.

    If it's something dumb like washer fluid, you can even buy more and they'll reimburse if you can't charge it on the (provided in the car) fleet gasoline charge card.

    Far as I know, the concept is flying and has been for like 6 years now. I am a very happy Zipcar customer. I've been able to get rid of my car altogether, saving many $thousands a year... and in exchange, I pay a few $hundreds per year for use of a practically new car, with insurance, maintenance and fuel provided, whenever I need one.

    As far as "whenever I need one" they seem to add cars pretty aggressively to follow demand. I've never been totally closed out... maybe you have to walk an extra 2 or 3 blocks to get to one at a specific time, but that's not really a big deal. It does require some adjustments to how you think about getting around, but the only reason I had a car in the past was for those trips that totally don't work on a bike (and taxis - just forget it, they're miserable and expensive)... this provides it.

  14. Re:Huge security problems... by Jeffrey+Baker · · Score: 2, Informative

    All you naysayers are such geniuses! If only your keen business insight was around 10 years ago, you could have prevented City Car Share and Auto Share from the horrible failure of their current businesses!

    Oh, wait.

    To address your moronic "points", please note that, although the key is in the car, the car's ignition system is tied to an electronic key-card access system. So busting into the car to grab the key nets you nothing at all.

    And the "no human in the loop" ignores all those humans in the loop. If you show up to take a car and it's damaged, you just note it in the log book. The car service figures out who was responsible later. And, the cars are inspected, serviced, and cleaned weekly by - surprise! - a human.

  15. Re:One-Way Rentals? by jyoull · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yes, they describe the cars as "living" (their marketers can be a little too cute at times) in specific locations... Parking is very hard to come by here, so this makes sense for a lot of reasons, including that you're never very far from a car. I usually rent one that's near "where I'm going to be" when I want it, which isn't usually my apartment. The cars are sprinkled all around town. By car faeries.

  16. Re:One-Way Rentals? by jyoull · · Score: 2, Informative

    When finished driving your Zipcar, take it back to the place you found it, wave your ZipCard over the sensor in the windshield to lock it and end your rental period, and step away from the vehicle.

  17. Re:Sounds Interesting by Hello+Kitty · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I can speak to this as a Flexcar member (and as someone who's interviewed the ZipCar folks as well, though I'm not in a city for which that service is available). Cleaning is done fairly regularly -- cars leave their designated parking spots for a few hours, then they come back. (You can also get a little usage credit if you take the car through the wash and remember to turn in your receipt.) As for dents and such, each user is expected to check over the vehicle before the trip starts and make note of any damage, just as one does a rental car. If you screw things up mid-reservation, there's a number to call and a procedure to follow.

    Nice bonus BTW: I had a reservation a few months back on a car that got into an accident about 30 minutes before my reservation was to start. (The previous user was parking and things didn't quite work out with his technique.) Flexcar phoned me to let me know that there was a problem, reserved the closest available vehicle for me, and gave me a nice credit "for my inconvenience." A really great customer service experience.

  18. Re:Maybe not by Glonoinha · · Score: 2, Interesting

    That's funny, only because it's true.

    I finally gave in to the pressure from the Ryder truck rental guy to pay an extra $100 for the insurance. Two days later I drove that 12 foot truck under an 11 foot overhang, doing about four thousand dollars worth of damage in the process. I was amazed at how fragile that big truck was, actually - but I was real happy I bought that insurance.

    As I understand it with Zipcar, there is a deposit you pay ($25 or $50 maybe?) and when the next guy rents the car and doesn't complain about it being dirty inside those funds are released. Like a bond, sort of. I could be wrong, haven't had any coffee yet.

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