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What Happened to Blue Security

shadowknot writes "Blue Security has published a detailed account of the attack on their servers perpetrated by spammer "PharmaMaster". The attack included a DDoS attack on the Blue Security operational system and a Black Hole filtering attack on the Blue Security website. From the article: "The first attack was to block worldwide access to Blue Security's corporate website (www.bluesecurity.com) by tampering with the Internet backbone using a technique called "Blackhole Filtering". The Second attack was a DDoS attack on Blue Security's operational system."

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  1. Re:Yup, this sucks. by jtogel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Come on, if you have never used Bluesecurity, then you were obviously not in their database, and your email could not have been leaked to the spammers! Obviously, the spammers just sent out these FUD spam mails to everyone, just like spammers generally do.

  2. For the lazy :) by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 4, Informative
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    Timeline (all times in GMT)
    [May 2nd 13:42 GMT]
    PharmaMaster Works to Block Traffic to Blue's Corporate Web Site

    One of the world's largest spammer's, 'PharmaMaster', sends Blue Security an ICQ message stating that he will block traffic to Blue's corporate website, www.bluesecurity.com

    * ICQ Message: "Support [tier-1 ISP name withheld] says: Yes wont be a problem, i'll make sure to block all traffic to this domain very soon just get me reports mate"
    * "[tier-1 ISP name withheld] will block traffic to your websites god i love this war :)"

    [May 2nd 14:47 GMT]
    BlueSecurity.com Can't be Accessed Outside of Israel

    Blue Security receives another ICQ message from PharmaMaster stating that Blue's corporate Web site cannot be accessed from outside of Israel.

    * ICQ Message: "bluesecurity.com cant be open from outside of israel oh i feel sorry for the company really :)"

    [May 2nd 15:30 GMT]
    Blue Security's Dedicated Servers - NOT Corporate Website - Under Attack

    Blue Security's operational servers - NOT www.bluesecurity.com - suffers from DDoS attacks.
    [ May 2nd 16:30 GMT]
    Corporate Website Receives 2 Hits/Min

    Blue employees notice that there is no load on the corporate website, www.bluesecurity.com (2 hits per minute) and that most visitors originate from Israel.
    [May 2nd 17:07 GMT]
    PharmaMaster Sends Message: Website Can't be Accessed Around World

    Blue receives another ICQ message from PharmaMaster stating the company's corporate Web site can not be accessed around the world.
    [May 2nd 20:17 GMT]
    Blue Performs Technical Analysis: Confirms Website Cannot be Accessed Abroad

    Blue's technical analysis team determines that its corporate website can still be accessed from Israel, but cannot be accessed abroad.
    [May 2nd 21:17 GMT]
    Blue Reports More Symptoms: "Blackhole filtering" Confirmed

    Blue's operational team reports on more symptoms supporting PharmaMaster's claims that the backbone of the Internet was compromised (blackhole filtering at the backbone level). Still, there is no sign that there was a DDoS attack on Blue's website.
    [May 2nd 22:45 GMT]
    Blue Security Decides to Update Blue Community

    Blue Security decides to update the Blue community about the situation by reverting to Blue's pre-launch "Blue Zone" Blog, hosted on Typepad.
    [May 2nd 23:20 GMT]
    BlueSecurity.com Redirected to TypePad

    www.bluesecurity.com is redirected to Blue Security's blog. Many community members can receive real time information about the attack.
    [May 2nd 23:27 GMT]
    First Comment Posted on the Blue Blog

    Blog site at TypePad functional. The first comment is posted on the Blue blog by a user.
    [May 2nd 23:57 GMT]
    Last comment Posted on the Blue Blog Before DDoS Begins

    TypePad blog site still functional. The last comment is posted thirty minutes later on the Blue blog just before the new DDoS attack occurs. (If there had been an initial DDoS attack on Blue's corporate site, the blog site would have been hit)
    [May 3rd 00:00 GMT]
    PharmaMaster Starts Attacking Typepad

    A fierce and ruthless DDoS on Typepad begins. Blue is not aware of the DDoS due to the late hour in Israel (2 AM local time). Typepad continues to carry Blue Security's blog and help Blue keep our community aware of the situation.
    [May 3rd 16:43 GMT]
    PharmaMaster Strikes Again, Takes Down Tucows

    PharmaMaster starts another attack and takes down Tucows's DNS servers which were serving thousands of sites, including Blue Security's. Tucows terminates Blue Security's account in an attempt to stop the attack.
    [May 3rd 23:23 GMT]
    PharmaMaster Boasts Success

    Almost 24 hours later, PharmaMaster boasts success in another ICQ message

    * ICQ Message: "pharma master: you know i feel sorry for you a

    1. Re:For the lazy :) by jefu · · Score: 3, Interesting

      But!

      Reading the account in TFA reveals that Blue Security was not undergoing a DDOS attack and that the DDOS attack on Typepad starts well after the address is redirected. Then the spammer seems to have widened the attack to bring down as many people as possible to make it look like Blue Security is at fault (which, at least according to their story - be nice to hear PharmaMaster's account, if he/they are not too cowardly to say anything) they were not.

      I'm not a Blue Security user, but if they've managed to make a spammer this cranky, I'm going to seriously consider it.

    2. Re:For the lazy :) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      FFS, RTFA. They clearly say that they were blackholed (*NOT* under a DDoS attack) when they redirected their DNS record to point to their blog. It was only after 'PharmaMaster' realized that the record had changed that the DDoS was launched.

      PharmaMaster went forth with the DDoS with the full knowledge that he was going to hit Six Apart's servers. That was the entire point -- he wanted BlueSecurity off the net entirely and was willing to step on anyone to get it done.

      This was not malicious on BlueSecurity's part.

    3. Re:For the lazy :) by shish · · Score: 3, Interesting
      This was truly lame and inexcusable - redirecting the attack from themselves to someone else.

      If I'm reading correctly -- Up to that point, the DDoS was on BS's dedicated machines, the site itself was blackholed rather than under attack; hence they weren't redirecting an attack, just redirecting users who wanted to know what was going on.

      Also, I note the URL you have on your post...

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  3. DNS Vulnerabilities by Billosaur · · Score: 4, Informative

    [May 3rd 16:43 GMT]
    PharmaMaster Strikes Again, Takes Down Tucows

    PharmaMaster starts another attack and takes down Tucows's DNS servers which were serving thousands of sites, including Blue Security's. Tucows terminates Blue Security's account in an attempt to stop the attack.

    And it was't all that long ago that DNS vulnerabilities were under discussion. Attacking a DNS server not only takes out the site intended, it has the bonus of collateral damage. Imagine the chagrin of all the other sites served by Tucows when they all go down en masse and imagine the PR campaign that Blue Security is going to have to wage to get any credibility back.

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    1. Re:DNS Vulnerabilities by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 5, Insightful
      imagine the PR campaign that Blue Security is going to have to wage to get any credibility back

      Considering who Bluesecurity are and what they do, this whole thing has actually seemed to me to serve as pretty good PR for them. It pisses off lots of people, but once the facts were out there pretty much everyone I know got pissed at the spammer, not Bluesecurity. Everyone hates spam, but now they see a spammer taking things to the next level of evil, which really strengthens the image of the "good guys." People who never heard of Bluesecurity before are becomeing ready to do what they can to work against this spammer.

    2. Re:DNS Vulnerabilities by mikeisme77 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Amen to that. I had never heard of BlueSecurity before this fiasco, but now that I've heard how much trouble they can give these jackass spammers and that they stick to their guns (no matter the cost), I'd like to support them in some way (although I probably won't join the network, as I don't agree with their methods of stopping spam).

    3. Re:DNS Vulnerabilities by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 5, Interesting

      ...and imagine the PR campaign that Blue Security is going to have to wage to get any credibility back.

      Um, how about "no such thing as bad publicity"?

      In my journal i commented that the attack on Six Apart was the web equivalent of Pearl Harbor. It not only (possibly) called the attention of the authorities towards PharmaMaster, it also became worldwide famous: I've been searching blogs for "blue security" and I've seen a lot of comments from people wanting to sign up when they're back online. One blogger in particular (forgot the url) said that "Blue Security" became the top technorati search during the attacks.

    4. Re:DNS Vulnerabilities by jjhall · · Score: 5, Interesting

      What part of their methods do you not agree with? All they are doing is automating what you could do on your own. For each spam message you send them, they analyze it and set up a script to make ONE opt-out request on the spammer's website (where they are selling their product) and ONE message each to some and/or all of the upchain ISPs, government agencies that have jurisdiction over the crime, etc. They then forward that script to your BlueFrog client running on your system. If you are the only person that got that spam message, that one message is all that is sent to the spammer and the appropriate authorities.

      Now if the spammer sends that message to 1000 BlueSecurity members, they will get 1000 messages generated and sent, one from each of the users they spammed. If they send it to 5000 users, well you get the idea. The more Blue people they spam, the more opt-out requests they get. One for one.

      You have a right to do it by yourself, tracking filling out forms on the spammer's ordering site, forwarding a copy to the ISP of the originating IP and/or mail server, forwarding it to the FDA if it is a drug relates spam, etc. How long will that take you? You could easily spend a few hours a day or more doing that.

      Enter BlueSecurity stage right. They hire staff to track down the senders of that spam message you just received, just like you would have done. The difference is they take that information and distribute it to everybody else they know received that spam as well.

      The thing is, these spammers should understand they have absolutely 0% of a chance of selling that item to any of the members of the Blue community. Why are they bothering to do this when it has no chance whatsoever of giving them even a single cent of profit? They should be happy to have the chance to clean their leads list. I've done telephone sales in the past (calling existing members about renewals) and I was happy to remove people who didn't want to be called from the list. For every person I removed from the list, it meant one less guaranteed no-sale next time the membership list cycled. In the long run I made more sales, and actually helped more people save money (it was cheaper to renew via phone than via the normal process) on a product they wanted.

      I understand the calling I was doing is completely different than the spamming in this topic, but the end result is the same. The more guaranteed "no" leads you remove, the higher you sales percentage will be, and the more profits in the long run.

      I had heard about Blue before this mess, but never got around to checking into their methods and signing up. Now that I see they are effective, and feel comfortable on how their network and client works (I also thought they DDoS'd the sites until I looked into it,) I have signed up. Now I'm waiting for their system to become fully functionable again so I can verify my account and start kicking spammer tail!

      Jeremy

  4. Re:Yup, this sucks. by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Isn't the fact that you, a non-user, got the email proof enough that nothing was leaked? Unless the spammer "hacked" your address from a list it wasn't on (which would be a neat trick) he or she was just spamming everyone available, hoping to get Bluesecurity's users along with it.

  5. publicity! by celardore · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Even if the servers were temporarily downed, the publicity generated from this incident surely got quite a few new members.

    Heck, I even signed up; shall have to wait and see if it's worth it though.

    1. Re:publicity! by ltwally · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Agreed. I'd never heard of Blue Security until this story hit the news. Now I'm a member, too. I'd be willing to bet that we're not the only ones, either. Blue Security probably just doubled its membership with this story.

      Looks to me like this Pharma dude really shot himself in the foot.

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      /dev/random
    2. Re:publicity! by Da_Weasel · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well it certainly hasn't doubled but it did get roughly a 20% increase. They were just a tad over 400K when they got everything back online. Their site currently shows 471,266 as the number of registered users.

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      If you must!
  6. Re:Yup, this sucks. by ZachPruckowski · · Score: 5, Informative

    Someone used their tool to clean a list, then compared the clean list to a "pre-scrub" list, which means they didn't gain any email addresses, they just learned something about the emails they already had been sending spam to.

    Don't quit Blue Security. My philosophy boils down to "millions for defense, not a penny for tribute" (Jefferson).

  7. Tucow bad behavior? by stry_cat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Looks like Tucow really behaved badly. They cancled an account of a legimite user instead of defeating the attack. The should never have given into the spammer's demands.

    1. Re:Tucow bad behavior? by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Look at it this way - if you had a small company, or even a big company, and your entire network was down due to a client who gives you $20 a year - what would you do? Keep the client out of honour, but go out of business anyway?

      Look at it this way - are you going to forget that Tucows turned off a legitimate client? Me neither. Are you going to consider Tucows next time you need a corporate provider? Me either.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    2. Re:Tucow bad behavior? by jmorris42 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      > I have no idea of how Blue Security operate their network, but presuming that Tucows only provide the
      > domain registration and DNS services, they are probably earning what - $20 a year from Blue Security?

      And how much can any of their remaining customers trust Tucows will protect US from the next idiot? So now all this asshat has to do is drop Tucows a note listing who he is pissed at this week and they will drop our domains too? No, millions for defense but never paying tribute is the only winning move. Tucows looked evil in the eye and they blinked. When my domain comes up again it will be going somewhere with just a little more courage. Network Solutions is a bunch of revolving assholes and they charge out the wazoo, but does anyone here think they would have caved? Not to mention they would have almost certainly been able to withstand an assault by one pissed off spammer.

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      Democrat delenda est
  8. This isn't just between PharmaMaster & Bluefro by DigDuality · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Apparently spammers are lining up to help out Pharmamaster from the SpecialHam forums. Digg.com users yesterday attempted lauching multiple types of bandwidth vampirism and DDOS attacks on SpecialHam yesterday as well. http://digg.com/technology/SPAMmers_really_pissed_ off_at_bluesecurity,_read_their_message_board

  9. Backbone level blackholing? by ladybugfi · · Score: 4, Interesting

    >Blue?s operational team reports on more symptoms supporting PharmaMaster's claims that the backbone of the Internet was compromised (blackhole filtering at the backbone level).

    No offence to the Blue guys' disrupted service, but I think this is the most interesting bit. I wonder whether this description is correct and if so, how the spammer achieved THAT.

    1. Re:Backbone level blackholing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Sounds like they paid off some people...

      "
      * ICQ Message: "Support [tier-1 ISP name withheld] says: Yes wont be a problem, i'll make sure to block all traffic to this domain very soon just get me reports mate"
      * "[tier-1 ISP name withheld] will block traffic to your websites god i love this war :)""

      This was more clear on some other article, but I can't find it at the moment. The spammers supposedly have an engineer on a backbone helping them. All I want to know is how the engineer expected not to be caught (I'm assuming he is caught... or there is a whole heck of lot more corruption out there than I thought)

    2. Re:Backbone level blackholing? by Moqui · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Or PharmaMaster is said Engineer at a backbone provider.

  10. Re:I want names and addresses! by ZachPruckowski · · Score: 4, Informative

    The forum that organized (or at least helped in) the attack is located here, but I think it's still down. It was nailed by a deliberate vigilante DDoS from about a hundred or so Digg members yesterday/last night. They hacked a university to host it after the first host got nailed. Not sure what happened after that.

  11. Client List NOT Compromised!!! by cyberscan · · Score: 5, Interesting

    What happened was that the spammer complied with instructions from Blue Security to download a program that washed Blue Security protected email addresses from the spammers' sucker list. When theis program was run on the spammer's email list Blue Security email addresses were purged. The spammer simply compared the purged list against his unpurged list and listed all the email addresses that were removed. He then sent the threatening emails to any email address that was purged from the original list.

    Blue Security is up and running again. Not only will I continue to use the Blue Frog, I will also promote it now. I do not like bullies, and will do whatever I can to stop them. Blue Security and others that help people punch back against spammers should be commended. I myself have written a signed applet that also punishes spammers.
    One can look at it by visiting http://www.plaza1.net/SpammerSlapper .

    The applet is GPL, and the source code is embedded in the applet. If you do not want to actually punish spammers, do not accept the certificate. I am also thinking about creating a java application that works in a similar way to Blue Frog - only the complaint instructions will be distributed via a peer to peer protocol and cryptographically signed. Any ideas on this one?

    1. Re:Client List NOT Compromised!!! by macz · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I like the idea of slapping spammers, but isn't this giving them what they want (Traffic)? Is the idea here do DDoS the spam sites if enough people use this?

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    2. Re:Client List NOT Compromised!!! by meringuoid · · Score: 2, Informative
      What happened was that the spammer complied with instructions from Blue Security to download a program that washed Blue Security protected email addresses from the spammers' sucker list. When theis program was run on the spammer's email list Blue Security email addresses were purged. The spammer simply compared the purged list against his unpurged list and listed all the email addresses that were removed.

      This is what annoys me. What are they thinking? They're helping spammers listwash. The fact that a spammer can simply use a diff of his lists before vs. after to find out who's using the service is trivial; the larger point is that even after the list has been purged of BlueSecurity users, the spammer is still spamming. It's addressing only a symptom, not the cause.

      They should say to the spammers 'if you continue to spam the addresses of our subscribers, we will continue to jam your unsubscribe addresses and drop boxes with garbage messages, one per spam email received. No, we're not telling you which addresses these are. Stop sending all mail to all addresses for which you do not have a confirmed opt-in, and you will have no further trouble from us.'

      That way they're not helping the spammers continue to spam, and I'd feel a lot better about them.

      --
      Real Daleks don't climb stairs - they level the building.
    3. Re:Client List NOT Compromised!!! by makomk · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And what happens when some dodgy company pays spammers to put out spams that appear to be from their competitors in the hope that hordes of spam vigilantes nuke the competition's websites off the face of the Net?

  12. What is? by towsonu2003 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What's "blackhole filtering"?

  13. DDoS Extortionists by Council · · Score: 5, Interesting

    this is a really cool story about how a company handled a DDoS attack by organized crime.

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  14. link to information week's article by DisplacedJoshua · · Score: 3, Informative

    shameless from digg, but an easy redirect for /.ers without having to read digg's stuff: information week's take on it makes it seem less, well, amazing on the part of the spammers. http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.j html?articleID=187200875

  15. Sad state of backbone administration by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    When you read Blue Security's press releases, it seems obvious they are a little on the desperate side, trying to figure out how to deal with this Pharmamaster character who has reduced their network to its knees. What's unfortunate about the situation is that it calls the light the sad state of backbone administration where the major providers can't or won't do anything about the situation, and a company is left trying to appeal to the general public to do something about it.

    Of course if the attack had occurred against a company like General Electric or Eli Lilly, the perpetrator would be in jail right now.

    It seems obvious the perp is an American. It shouldn't be that difficult to track him down, especially since he's IM'ing the victims.

    1. Re:Sad state of backbone administration by PrescriptionWarning · · Score: 2

      well for an American he sure doesn't know how to form correct sentences. Maybe this is why spam emails appear to be written by a 5 year old...

    2. Re:Sad state of backbone administration by Stinky+Fartface · · Score: 2

      Why is it obvious that he's an American? Using the word 'mate' instead of 'pal' or 'buddy' is not a particularly Amarican phrasing.

  16. _Detailed_ timeline? by Whizard · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Wow, if this is a detailed timeline, I'd hate to see the summary.

    "Some shit happened."

    As a security guy, this could have been really interesting, but it's not.

  17. Re:Tier 1 ISP by btpier · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yeah, I was wondering the same thing. Which Tier-1 ISP was willing to help this guy out. I do believe that the Blue Security method of whacking spammer's websites probably looks a lot like a DDoS (which in effect it is). But which ISP was foolish enough to take logs from a know major spammer and use them to Blackhole Filter packets going TO a legitimate site (filtering packets from maybe, but to?).

  18. Poor response by Grand+Facade · · Score: 5, Insightful

    PharmaMaster starts another attack and takes down Tucows's DNS servers which were serving thousands of sites, including Blue Security's. Tucows terminates Blue Security's account in an attempt to stop the attack.
    [May 3rd 23:23 GMT]
    PharmaMaster Boasts Success


    Tucows is a company I will never recommend or use to host any of my domains.
    Caving in to a spammer/hacker retaliation will not garner much support.

    http://www.joker.com/ serves my needs well

    --
    Rick B.
  19. Pharma Master by jefu · · Score: 4, Insightful
    So, just who is this PharmaMaster guy anyway.

    Enquiring minds (and all that) want to know.

    1. Re:Pharma Master by ZachPruckowski · · Score: 3, Informative

      PharmaMaster is an IM and forum handle. He's a major spammer, and probably responsible for at least some of that junk in my google mailbox's junk folder right now. He is apparently working with a cartel of spammers to try to crush anti-spam attempts. Interesting reading about their planning on the specialham.com spammer's forum was mirrored online somewhere yesterday, but got taken down for some reason.

  20. Not technically accurate... by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This was truly lame and inexcusable - redirecting the attack from themselves to someone else.

    Notice that the bluesecurity.com website was *NOT* being flooded with packets. On the countrary, it was routed to null for all the internet except Israel. In summary, there were 4 different DOS attacks:

    * Packet flooding (lots of traffic) the operational servers (the ones doing the opt-outs)
    * Null routing blue's www (no traffic)
    * Packet flooding the redirected www at Six Apart (lots of traffic)
    * Packet flooding Tucow's DNS servers (lots of traffic)

    So, technically, blue security didn't redirect the attack.

  21. Slashdot army unite! by spyrochaete · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This ferocious attack on Blue Security as well as Typepad and TUCOWS is proof that Blue Security's tactics are working. Spammers are scared to death of Blue Frog because it forces them to comply with the spirit of CANSPAM (since it is worthless in practise). They are so desperate that they are damaging the internet backbone to slightly increase the limited time that spam will be profitable.

    Do not listen to FUD-spreading ignoramuses who will no doubt leave many /. comments urging you to stay away from Blue Frog. Spammers do not have Blue Security's member lists - they are simply DIFFing their entire lists with the opt-outs sent by Blue Frog and sharing their filters with the "mailer community". Yes, some members (not me) have been threatened with, and temporarily recieved, more spam. However, this can't last since spammers who do this are simply fighting fire with gasoline! The more spam Blue Frog users get, the more opt-outs the spammer and client recieve which costs them time and money! Plus, regarding threats to leave Blue Frog, does it make sense that a spammer would remove ANY working email address for ANY reason?

    Who do you trust to solve your spam problem? Microsoft? Your government? If they really cared, wouldn't the problem have have been solved long before spam encompassed 90% of all email? Blue Security offers a realistic, fair, assertive, and EFFECTIVE means of hitting spammers where it hurts - in the database and in the pocketbook. They need your help to make spam an unprofitable, inconvenient vehicle for advertisers.

    I urge each and every /.er to sign up for a Blue Frog account RIGHT NOW (or whenever they're not getting DOSed) and simply forward your spam to yourusername@reports.bluesecurity.com. You can wait a day or two and send many spams as attachments in one email, or you can let the resident client do it for you. It's so easy and the headlines prove that it really does make a difference.

    Spammers are childishly thrashing around the internet like a bull in a china shop, having a flailing temper tantrum because people dare to stand up for their privacy. It is the duty of /.ers, as an informed userbase, to stand up for those internet users who don't know how to stand up for themselves.

    We have the numbers and the motivation. Aren't you sick and tired of these rich criminals wasting our time, defrauding our elders, and endangering our children day after day? If we stand together, just as the spammers stand together to attack Blue Security, then we WILL win.

    Sign up for a Blue Frog account ASAP and encourage your friends and family to do the same, as I have. And if you think it's possible to reason with spammers, check out this CastleCops forum thread that shows inside conversations from a spammer message board.

    1. Re:Slashdot army unite! by spyrochaete · · Score: 2

      New user accounts are working but their SMTP server is down so they can't send validations. I also hear that many people are getting their spam submissions bounced. Just give them time. Many prospective users know about Blue Frog due to this huge fiasco, so they must understand that it will take time and resources to fight the attacks while maintaining service.

    2. Re:Slashdot army unite! by spyrochaete · · Score: 2, Informative

      The client is only for convenience and is optional. You can sign up for an account and forward your spam (as body or attachment) to username@reports.bluesecurity.com.

  22. Blackmail tactics by taupter · · Score: 3, Informative

    Those spammers will threat e-mails if you unsubscribe or not, so don't unsubscribe. They're doing this because it's hurting it in their pocket. Big deal. I don't give a damn if a spammer can't buy a new humvee limo, and I don't have to support those scumbags. So if they want to fill my mailbox with with their trash, so be it. I will not bend over to them. I will not unsubscribe. I will not let those fscking bastards tell me what I should do.

    1. Re:Blackmail tactics by Urusai · · Score: 5, Funny

      "...we'll fight them at the routers, we'll fight them on the backbone, we'll fight them at the ISP, we'll fight them at the firewall; we shall never surrender."

    2. Re:Blackmail tactics by taupter · · Score: 2, Funny

      And we'll fight them at the Gmail's spam filter. ;) You forgot this one!
      Yep, we should take action. Somebody has to. As people who profit from spam don't want to take effective action against them, we're in our right of defending ourselves. Maybe the guilt is not only theirs, but those 0.005% people who buy penis enlagement pills, viagra, cialis and such.
      The amount of short-dicked, impotent men waiting for a nigerian fortune is simply unbelievable.

  23. If they were attacked... by The+MAZZTer · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...they must be doing something right! I'm signing up.

    Thanks PharmaMaster for referring me!

  24. Re:Ehm the FBI? by nuzak · · Score: 2, Funny

    Man, what are you, 13 years old? Mossad does not go after spammers. Believe it or not, the Israeli state has worse enemies.

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    Done with slashdot, done with nerds, getting a life.
  25. The only solution to spam... by Dog-Cow · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Is to kill the spammers. Obviously the death penalty doesn't resolve the issue forever, or we'd not have as much crime as we do in the world, but it will deter most spammers.

    We put down rabid dogs because they have the potential to harm human beings despite having no intention to do so. Why is it less humane to remove life that actively and maliciously harms others?

  26. I'd love to meet that spammer... by eno2001 · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...and show him my SIG. [DUKE NUKEM MODE]Come get some[/DUKE NUKEM MODE]

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  27. Maybe UUNET, maybe not by JohnQPublic · · Score: 3, Informative

    An InfoWorld article from May 4th quoted Blue Security CEO Eran Reshef as saying:

    Among other things, Reshef said that pharmamaster claimed to have a contact at UUNET who would do his bidding. Rather than launch a denial of service attack against BlueSecurity.com, the spammer instructed the contact to alter the routing tables so that traffic from outside Israel would not reach the company's servers.
    Since Blue Security is now referring to "tier-1 ISP name withheld", that means one of several things:
    1. The spammer lied and it wasn't UUNET.
    2. UUNET threatened Blue Security and they caved.
    3. Blue Security doesn't want to be threatened.
    1. Re:Maybe UUNET, maybe not by gbjbaanb · · Score: 3, Informative

      Since Blue Security is now referring to "tier-1 ISP name withheld", that means one of several things:

      4. They're going to be named in a lawsuit, and they don't want to prejudice it with media attention, or counter-suits of defamation.
      5. They've contacted the ISP to resolve their issues and don't want to annoy them by publicising who they were.

  28. Re:Nothing by operagost · · Score: 2, Informative
    I don't think windows has a similar function readily available.
    NUL
    --

    Gamingmuseum.com: Give your 3D accelerator a rest.
  29. Re:"operational system" by Da_Weasel · · Score: 5, Informative
    During the DDoS and Blackhole filtering it was only operational in Isreal. The rest of the world was cut off. There were also threatening emails sent to registered users. According to Blue Security their database was not comprimised and the spammer was actually using his own email list to send these email out. Since then I have been receiving 2-3 messages a day from the spammer which contains nothing but the DNS WHOIS record for bluesecurity.com. Here is a copy of the first message I recieved:

    "Hey,You are recieving this email because you are a member of BlueSecurity (http://www.bluesecurity.com).

    You signed up because you were expecting to recieve a lesser amount of spam, unfortunately, due to the tactics used by BlueSecurity, you will end up recieving this message, or other nonsensical spams 20-40 times more than you would normally.

    How do you make it stop?

    Simple, in 48 hours, and every 48 hours thereafter, we will run our current list of BlueSecurity subscribers through BlueSecurity's database, if you arent there.. you wont get this again.

    We have devised a method to retrieve your address from their database, so by signing up and remaining a BlueSecurity user not only are you opening yourself up for this, you are also potentially verifying your email address through them to even more spammers, and will end up getting up even more spam as an end-result.

    By signing up for bluesecurity, you are doing the exact opposite of what you want, so delete your account, and you will stop recieving this.

    Why are we doing this?

    Its simple, we dont want to, but BlueSecurity is forcing us. We would much rather not waste our resources and send you these useless mails, but do not believe for one second that we will stop this tirade of emails if you choose to stay with BlueSecurity. Just remember one thing when you read this, we didnt do this to you, BlueSecurity did.

    If BlueSecurity decides to play fair, we will do the same.

    We are quite sure you will think this will not continue, that we will not continue wasting our resources doing this, feel free to wait out the first 48, or the second, and see whether these stop, you will be quite suprised.

    If you have another email under the protection of bluesecurity, and have not recieved this there, do not worry, you will soon enough.

    We mightve had your email addresses before in our lists, but now, we are targetting YOU, because YOU are a bluesecurity user.

    You might also notice, that the BlueSecurity site(http://www.bluesecurity.com) is down..

    Just remove yourself from BlueSecurity, and make it easier on you.

    Marta Tanner"

    --
    If you must!
  30. Traffic Is NOT What Spamvertised Sitres Want by cyberscan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Most owners of spamvertised sites do NOT want traffic, they want money. They only want the .01% of spam victims who are stupid enough to buy their crap to visit their site to complete the sale. However, in order to get the orders for their profit, they have have a place where users can come to. This place is their website. Website owners have to PAY for bandwidth consumption. Traffic consumes bandwidth. Therefore traffic is an expense. What the website owners really want is orders that bring in money.

    When a site receive traffic from those who do not buy, it is the same as a store which has 200 people just looking around (and not buying). These browsers cause wear and tear on the carpet, require the watchful eye of security, require resources to answer questions, and make it more crowded so that it is more difficult for paying customers to find what they are looking for and complete the transaction.

    Right now, the ratio of revenue-generating traffic (those who come to a website to buy) verses the non revenue-generating traffic is high enough to justify having the website running and paying the spammers. When there is 8 gigs of traffic (non revenue generating) from spam haters for every byte of revenue producing traffic, then advertising a website via spam will be very UNPROFITABLE. When those who advertise by spam see loss instead of profits, they will quit paying spammers (or stop spamming themselves). This is why spammers hate the likes of Blue Security, SpammerSlapper, SpamFryer, and other retalitory tools.

    What the spammers do not realize is that people who are ready to resort to using such antispammer tactics DO NOT like spamvertised websites nor will they buy crap from these websites. Blue Security is actually doing spammers a favor by pointing out the email receipients who do not want the spam and are willing to cause problems. If I were a spammer, I would want to listwash my sucker list and get rid of the email addresses of troublemakers and concentrate on the idiots who buy stuff advertised via spam. That way I would have to send out a lot less spam to get the sales I want. Spammers should go only after the suckers and leave the rest of us alone. When these nooby suckers decide that they are tired of being robbed and spammed into oblivion, they can then add their name and voice to the rest of the angry masses who have HAD ENOUGH.

  31. this is black hole filtering: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    From:http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:daxdV_-e7 aQJ:www.cisco.com/warp/public/732/Tech/security/do cs/blackhole.pdf+Blackhole+Filtering&hl=en&ct=clnk &cd=1 Benefits of Remotely Triggered Black Hole Filtering Black holes, from a network security perspective, are placed in the network where traffic is forwarded and dropped. Once an attack has been detected, black holing can be used to drop all attack traffic at the edge of an Internet service provide (ISP) network, based on either destination or source IP addresses. RTBH filtering is a technique that uses routing protocol updates to manipulate route tables at the network edge or anywhere else in the network to specifically drop undesirable traffic before it enters the service provider network. RTBH filtering provides a method for quickly dropping undesirable traffic at the edge of the network, based on either source addresses or destination addresses by forwarding it to a null0 interface. Null0 is a pseudointerface that is always up and can never forward or receive traffic. Forwarding packets to null0 is a common way to filter packets to a specific destination.

  32. Re:This isn't just between PharmaMaster & Blue by Kijori · · Score: 2, Interesting

    To help out with Digg's effort, visit this page: http://konspence.com/specialham/artistcopy.htm. Just leave it running all day, you'll use a few hundred MB of bandwidth on your own.

  33. Summary for the lazy: by Zaphod2016 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    For those new to this whole "BlueFrog" story, unsure who is the "good guy":

    Pro:

    • Ignoring never serves to fix anything. Just ask my little sister.
    • "If the spammers are pissed off, they must be doing something right." - /. & digg

    Con:

    • As I understand it, this company is backed with VC cash.
    • We *might* be witnessing the most creative advertising campaign in the history of the Internet.
  34. SUE the advertisers by HermMunster · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Bottom line the advertisers know how their money is being spent. There's no excuse which allows them to claim ignorance. Once they are sued they'll look into it if they don't already know. The advertisers are funding this type of illegal behavior and so they should be held accountable. Large lawsuits or even criminal prosecution. These spammers and those illegally compromising the backbones are acting as agents of the advertisers, period.

    --
    You can lead a man with reason but you can't make him think.
  35. Re:This isn't just between PharmaMaster & Blue by Kadin2048 · · Score: 2, Informative

    That thread is great ... I wonder about the Oslo university thing (that's where they've now moved their server to). If anyone here speaks Norwegian and wanted to write them a letter, contact info is on the Digg page. I'm surprised it hasn't gotten taken down already, but maybe the sysop there doesn't read English (I assume all the Digg'ers have been writing in English...).

    They also read through the forums and found some of the actual spammers' websites:
    http://www.northworks.biz/ This one is one of the shadiest, they're selling email harvesters.

    In case anyone wants to take matters into their own hands, as one of the Digg people pointed out, there's always:
    while :; do curl -o /dev/null http://www.northworks.biz/install_mc_shareware.exe ; done

    His bandwidth bill is going to suck this month...

    --
    "Ladies and gentlemen, my killbot features Lotus Notes and a machine gun. It is the finest available."
  36. How about the US DoD? by tddoog · · Score: 2, Insightful
    The Department of Defense uses the internet for a lot of communication. They shoud be interested in how the "backbone" of the internet was corrupted.

    Not too mention, the actions of pharmamaster are borderline terrorism. (just in case the NSA is watching ;) Not even freedom fighter terrorism, just good old fashioned fearmongering terrorism.

  37. What nonsense by tmu · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Bluesecurity (BS) are either confused or misleading people.

    There is no way that a single "backbone" provider could have installed a null route to block all traffic to their network. Bluesecurity is served by a Haifa-based provider called Netvision (Autonomous System number 1680). Netvision buys internet transit from four providers:

    --UUnet/701 (uunet north america)
    --UUnet/702 (uunet europe/middle east)
    --btn/3491 (beyond the network)
    --telia/1299 (telia sonera international backbone).

    what the heck is BS claiming? that *all* of them installed a null route at once. do they even know what a null route is.

    i'm getting annoyed enough at this nonsense to think about blogging about it in more detail over at www.renesys.com/blogs . perhaps later today.

    foolishness.

    1. Re:What nonsense by NeutronCowboy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Nearly all traffic crosses UUNet backbones at some point. I've never heard of BTN (and I did worldwide network performance analysis for over two years not so long ago), so I can't imagine them carrying much traffic without routing through some other Tier-1 provider very soon. As for Telia, they don't carry much traffic. If PharmaMaster really managed to convince someone at UUNet to blackhole a website, it's very conceivable that no one outside of Israel would be able to access them.

      --
      Those who can, do. Those who can't, sue.
  38. Re:"operational system" by HRogge · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Great... so by subscribing at blue security I can force the spammers to multiply their bandwidth by 20-40 ? Sounds like a DDoS for me. :)

  39. Re:This isn't just between PharmaMaster & Blue by user24 · · Score: 2, Informative

    for windows users via a proxy:

    @echo off
    set http_proxy=http://yourproxyhereifapplicable
    rem remove the above if you don't have a proxy server :start
    wget http://www.northworks.biz/install_mc_shareware.exe --proxy-user
    =username --proxy-pass=password
    goto start

    without a proxy:

    @echo off :start
    wget http://www.northworks.biz/install_mc_shareware.exe
    goto start

    (save as s batch file in the same dir as wget)

    download wget from www.gnu.org/software/wget/

    have fun :-)

  40. Why null routing is critical by macdaddy · · Score: 3, Informative
    There are dozens of uses for null routing on ISP networks. For example you can use simple static routes to match all private (RFC1918), reserved for special purposes (RFC3330), and unassigned (Google for "BOGON") netblocks and route them to Null0 (a logical interface that basically drops the packets, much like the data bursts are dropped when sent to /dev/null. This is basic ingress/egress filtering that should be deployed on all border routers. You don't want to accept packets destined for your network that claim to be from a RFC1918 address because they are almost certainly spoofed (or another upstream ISP has an idiot for a netadm and your common carrier also employs idiots for not doing ingress filtering on customer access circuits). This is actually less CPU intensive than an access-list. Most mid to upper-end routers today can offload routing decisions to ASICs, whereas access-list decisions still bounce off of the CPU in many cases. You lose much of your logging capabilities with this method however.

    A variation of this technique is to route packets to an internal "blackhole router" instead of to Null0. This consumes a little more resources than the Null0 option but still far less than an ACL. The blackhole router does nothing else other than null routing the traffic. It can also be used to route the traffic to a sniffing device to give the admin an opportunity to see what the malicious traffic really was. The blackhole router can also advertise internally the blackhole routes. This is useful when you network policy prohibits making changes to critical hardware such as a border router without sufficient peer review. Often when you must null route something you must do it in a hurry (ie, a customer is being attacked). Being able to make the changes on a non-critical box (the blackhole router) and having the routes changes propgate up to a critical piece of hardware (the border router(s)) is very useful.

    Another reason to use them is to prevent routing loops. Lets say for example you have an access server terminating dialin customers. You've loaded out your AS with 192 modems. A /24 has been allocated for this AS. Your AS advertises that /24 with OSPF back into the core of your ISP network. However the AS's routing table doesn't contain a route for all 253 of the useable IPs in that /24. Instead individual routes are added as individual users dial in. Lets say a packet comes in that's destined for an IP that isn't in use. The AS looks at its routing table and says to itself that it doesn't have a route to that IP. It falls back on its default route which is the router upstream of the AS that just routed the packet to the AS. Rinse and repeat. A routing loop ensues.

    Sometimes in BGP you have to have a static route to a given netblock to turn around and advertise it. You already have internal routes that would ultimately route the packet to the right destination. However to get BGP working you have to create a specific route. You can simply create a static route to that subnet via Null0 with a cost of 254 and make BGP happy.

    There are dozens of examples of why you need null routing. Does that help? You can search on Cisco's website for additional references.

  41. Re:This isn't just between PharmaMaster & Blue by user24 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    *sigh*
    way to screw up the batch file...
    the ":start" bit should be on a line by itself.

  42. My brain just crapped its skull. by budgenator · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'd probably do that too if I were an astro-truffer for a sleazey spammer, instead I'm going to down-load the linux version of the bluefrog client and connect it to my spam account and let it run. In fact I'm probably going to engage in activities designed to get those accounts on as many spam lists as is humanly possible. I've got accounts at yahoo and gmail that get about 10 spams for every legit email, maybe I can get the clutter down to the point where they'll actually be usable again.

    --
    Apocalypse Cancelled, Sorry, No Ticket Refunds
  43. My letter to tucows by bblboy54 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm mailing this via the postal service today:


    May 8th, 2006

    Tucows, Inc.
    96 Mowat Avenue
    Toronto, ON
    Canada M6K 3M1

    To whom it may concern,
    I just wanted to express my extreme disappointment regarding your recent actions to disable Blue Security's account in an attempt to stop the attacks of a notorious spammer. I fully understand that the attacks were a technical nightmare for your team, however, it is unbelievable that you would rather give in to a criminal and follow their demands and step on an organization that aims to protect innocent citizens from around the globe. Regardless of what your motive was, this action clearly states that you are more interested in profit than you are about ethics. As a result, I am recommending that all contacts I have that use Tucow's services remove their accounts and utilize a service which supports consumer protection. It is my sincere hope that should a similar situation arise, you will think of the company that is trying to protect the Internet.

  44. Re:This isn't just between PharmaMaster & Blue by budgenator · · Score: 2, Interesting
    These guys must be on an alternate plane of reality!

    No software from Northworks Solutions Ltd. may be used for spamming activities. Any software from Northworks Solutions Ltd. that collects emails can only be used for information / database management purposes on legally-owned link / email addresses / servers and databases. The creator / distributor of any software from Northworks Solutions Ltd. can't be held responsible for any misuse of software from Northworks Solutions Ltd. for spamming or any other activity that may be considered illegal in the software users state / country. The creator / distributor doesn't support spamming. By using any product from Northworks Solutions Ltd., you agree to use them legally. No software from Northworks Solutions Ltd. can be considered spamware. ...
    Using any software program from Northworks Solutions Ltd. you agree to comply with the laws of your current residency, the European Union, the United Kingdom and the United Kingdom Data Protection Act of 1998.
    Anti-Spam Policy, © 2003 by Northworks Solutions Ltd.
        info@northworks.biz

    LOL!

    ECraw Price: $395 / license.
      When you purchase the full version you will be allowed to use it on 1 computer and move it a maximum of 2 times ... ECrawl and has the ability to reach speeds of over 2,000,000 emails per hour, which makes it the fastest website email harvester ever developed.

    ProCrawl Price: $395 / license.
      When you purchase the full version you will be allowed to use it on 2 computers and move it a maximum of 2 times. You will need an extra license for each computer beyond the second which you would like to run ProCrawl on. If you wish to obtain 2 or more copies, then please contact us. This product comes with a lifetime license and free support.
        ProCrawl ... extracts emails directly from the mailservers. It can with ease find millions of emails per hour when working on a normal DSL connection. This extracts emails with the highest speed an accuracy compared to any other programs on the market.

    Sure we don't let our software be used by spammers!
    --
    Apocalypse Cancelled, Sorry, No Ticket Refunds
  45. DIY Experiment by red_flea · · Score: 2, Insightful
    So here's a quick experiment to gauge the impact of the BlueSecurity nospam list. Create two email accounts and sign one of them up for Blue, and don't do anything with the second one including implying its existence. We already get spammed anyway, so what are they going to do to people that don't unsubscribe from Blue? More spam?


    Lets call their bluff. Do this experiment yourself. And use Blue Frog.

  46. Tucows are cowards! by Alascom · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The fact that Tucows would kick one of their customers to the curb in a pathetic attempt to pacify a blackmailer/spammer/terrorist is shameful, short-sighted, and tragic.

    While the spammer is clearly worthy or our scorn, I believe Tucows is even more deserving of public shame and disgrace. I expect a spammer to spam, I expect a hacker to hack, but I do not expect a (formerly) respectable business that takes my money to sell me out to criminals! Yes, I know they claim it was to protect their other customers, but tossing your baby to the lion to keep it from from attacking everyone else is reprehensible and I thought civilization had progressed beyond this.

    I for one, will NEVER use any of their services or web properties again unless they issue a public apology for their actions. Not just to BlueSecurity, but to all of their customers, because this clearly sends a signal to all would-be DDoS attackers that Tucows customers are for sale for the price of a few million IP packets!

    1. Re:Tucows are cowards! by joatamon · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm a BlueFrog user, and I received 30 or 40 spam messages a day during the attack on Blue Security. I reported each of them to SpamCop, and SpamCop gave Tucows as the "abuse" address for a large percentage of the web sites listed in the spam messages. I've been seeing Tucows sites in my spam for months. If the SpamCop analysis is correct, then it would appear that Tucows is profiting from the spam.

  47. Re:"operational system" by starman97 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Only for some type of spam, message placement will still go out.
    Stuff like Political ads and prosletyzing where no response is needed
    will still go out. But anyone trying to sell some questionable product
    from a website or email drop is not going to want to get hammered with the
    return of a big percentage of the spam emails.
    Phishing and other forms of identity theft are also going to be a lot harder.

    If you go to the Bluesecurity site, you'll see they have multiple classes
    of spam and responses to each class. Some stuff gets bounced to the FDA, some
    to the BSA, even some to MPAA. Childporn looks like it goes to Interpol.

    I have no illusions that it will get rid of ALL spam, but it will put the hurt on some spammers and that's 100% better than just trying to filter or ignore the incoming spam.

    --
    Starman97@Gmail.com (bring it on spammers)
  48. DDoS by jrschulz · · Score: 2, Funny

    Isn't the DDoS tag a little bit redundant for a submission which appears in Slashdot?

  49. Could be a BGP blackhole route by anticypher · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Looking now, BlueSecurity seems to have moved their operations to Prolexic as of a few hours ago. This will buy them some DDoS protection. Prolexic is based in Miami, and most of my traceroutes are getting lost in Phoenix, but I can't tell if that's something Prolexic is doing or a very clever blackhole.

    Netvision also seems to have GlobalXing/AS3549 as a transit provider.

    My suspicion (since I don't have a looking glass with a historical search), is that someone with access to the main BGP reflectors inside of either UUNET or GlobalXing managed to make an announcement that they had a local router with a route to AS1680, and then that router just blackholed any traffic to those netblocks. It was happening during the L3/Cogent wars last year, L3 was announcing Cogent netblocks, and blackholing the traffic. If one major backbone such as UUNet makes a false BGP announcement, it could effectively block much traffic from the US to Israel, but European sites would still mostly see Israel as closer.

    My next best theory is that someone at LimeLight Networks(AS3549, a GLBX reseller) is sending poison BGP announcements, but I don't see any in looking glasses.

    That kind of technically advanced activity, especially with the potential for huge economic losses, should trigger an FBI investigation. Of course, the FBI isn't going to admit anything or post updates on /. until they hand up indictments to the court and make some arrests.

    the AC

    --
    Hemos is like...sci-fi fans;he thinks technology is cool, but he hasn't bothered to understand the science it's based on