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Busting People for Pointing Out Security Flaws

gsch writes "'In 2004, Bret McDanel was convicted of violating section 1030 when he e-mailed truthful information about a security problem to the customers of his former employer. The prosecution argued that McDanel had accessed the company e-mail server by sending the messages, and that the access was unauthorized within the meaning of the law because the company didn't want this information distributed. They even claimed the integrity of the system was impaired because a lot more people (customers) now knew that the system was insecure. Notwithstanding the First Amendment's free speech guarantees, the trial judge convicted and sentenced McDanel to 16 months in prison. I represented him on appeal, and argued that reporting on security flaws doesn't impair the integrity of computer systems. In an extremely unusual turn of events, the prosecution did not defend its actions, but voluntarily moved to vacate the conviction.'"

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  1. and? by schnits0r · · Score: 5, Interesting

    THis happens a lot. My friend used to work for an airline, and he had made comments about weak airline security to his coworkers and boss, and that he was concerned how easy it would be for someone on the inside to disrupt air traffic. They called the transport authority and they have basically black listed him from being at an airport and told him he was lucky they didn't press charges.

    1. Re:and? by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yep, and the submitter's remark, "Notwithstanding the First Amendment's free speech guarantees," is silly because the First Amendment doesn't guarantee 100% free speech in all situations.

      How do you get from there to criminal prosecution for pointing out security flaws?

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  2. Understandable by BenEnglishAtHome · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The first impression is that this is really weird. Prosecutors, at least in my neck of the woods, don't give two shits about justice or truth. They just want convictions. Do we actually have a prosecutor somewhere with integrity? How many times has hell frozen over this month?

    Take a minute to think about it, though, and things change. Prosecutors still just want convictions that stand on appeal. In this case, the conviction was eventually going to get tossed, so the prosecution gets to look like a hero by bailing out early.

    As usual, what at first blush appears to be a noble action by a public servant turns out to be self-serving. There is still no chance of a prosecutor having integrity. All is, again, right with the world.

  3. Vacation vs. Repeal by Gallenod · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Vacating the conviction doesn't challenge the law, just the individual action. Looks like the company wanted the publicity from the conviction to reinforce their non-disclosure agreement but didn't want to take the risk that the law would be rolled back later on appeal.

    (IANAL, but my uncle is.)

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  4. Security through Prosecution? by Mobster · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This kind of trend is only gonna end when something catatrophic happens and it's traced back to someone that could have said something but didn't out of fear of losing their job or prosecution. It wouldn't suprise me if the whole FEMA/Katrina fiasco was this kind of situation.

    Can a federal law be passed to correct this? DOes congress even care?

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  5. Of two minds by Billosaur · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The McCarty prosecution, brought by the same office that so egregiously mishandled the McDanel incident, is in the same vein. As with Puffer and McDanel, the government will have to prove not only that McCarty accessed the school system without authorization, but also that he had some kind of criminal intent.

    Likely, they will point to the fact that McCarty copied some applicant records. "It wasn't that he could access the database and showed that it could be bypassed," Michael Zweiback, an assistant attorney for the Department of Justice's cybercrime and intellectual property crimes section, told the SecurityFocus reporter. "He went beyond that and gained additional information regarding the personal records of the applicant."

    But if he wanted to reveal USC's security gaffe, it's not clear what else he could have done. He had to get a sampling of the exposed records to prove that his claims were true. SecurityFocus reported that USC administrators initially claimed that only two database records were exposed, and only acknowledged that the entire database was threatened after additional records were shown to them.

    Ok, so there are two ways to look at this:

    1. He did commit a crime. He broke their security, using a known flaw. Happens all the time to anyone running Windows when some virus or Trojan uses a known exploit to mess round with data on your PC. They're guilty, mainly for then using your PC for other nefarious purposes. This argument is weak because all he did was reveal the information to a reporter, and while that's a dubious move at best, it really ended up in little harm.
    2. He didn't commit a crime. He exposed a major college's security lapse and did something with that knowledge that allowed the problem to be solved. I don't agree with his methods -- it would have been far easier to simply go to USC, tell them of the flaw, and then leave them to their own devices. Knowing USC, they would have hemmed and hawed, until some enterprising hacker, out for a little fun, discovered the flaw and did more than steal the records of seven people. He probably felt that this needed to be publicized to force USC's hand, but I still think that smacks of lack of common sense.

    I doubt a jury will convict him, though, this being a technical argument mainly and a computer crime, any jury they seat is bound to wind up confused and the best the prosecution can hope is that someone on the jury will have enough savvy to explain it to the others. Or they may convict him for being a wily, young whippersnapper. Who knows?

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  6. Re:C'mon.... by goldspider · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "...however helpful your intentions?"

    I think you mis-spelled "vindictive".

    Afterall, we're talking about a former employee, and considering how far things were taken, it doesn't sound like it was an amicable separation.

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  7. First Amendment.? by Frankie70 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Notwithstanding the First Amendment's free speech guarantees, the trial judge convicted and sentenced McDanel to 16 months in prison. I represented him on appeal

    Thank god, the prosecution did not defend the action on appeal.
    Because the defendent seems to have been represented by someone who doesn't
    seem to know that the 1st amendment isn't relevant here.

  8. It's like the full disclosure question by elronxenu · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Without taking any sides on the matter of full disclosure, there are interesting parallels with the quoted cases.

    Full disclosure: if I find a bug in, say, Windows, should I

    • Report it to Microsoft?
    • Announce it to the world?
    • Report it to CERT?
    • Send details to Oracle?

    If I find a bug in USC's website, should I

    • Report it to the USC administrators?
    • Announce it to the world?
    • Report it to SecurityFocus?
    • Send it to MIT?

    If I find a bug in my employer's systems, should I

    • Report it to my employer?
    • Announce it to the world?
    • Report it to CERT?
    • Send it to my employer's competitors?

    Enquiring minds wish to know ...

  9. My experience with an ASP by joshv · · Score: 5, Interesting

    When working for a company I shall not name, we used an ASP for our recruiting software, which company I will also decline to name. This software had a document upload functionality that would allow clients to upload offer letters and such. In trouble shooting an issue with our company's uploads we found it was quite easy to browse to other client's uploads by changing a client ID in a URL. Granted, you had to login to the system to be able to access this URL, but once logged in, there were apparently no security restrictions across clients. We had free access to the offer letters, job applications, any document having to do with the recruiting and hiring process, of other companies - some of them very big names.

    Did we do anything about it? Nope. We ignored it. I didn't even bring it up to our managers. Why? Because in documenting the issue we would have most certainly violated the licensing agreement, and a good argument could be made (especially in light of judgements like the one in the article) that we were conducting criminal computer trespass by changing the URL to knowingly access another client's repository. As stupid as that sounds, I was not willing to risk my job, or prison time, when I knew there were probably 15 other such security issues in the product, and my blowing the whistle on this one wasn't going to fix what was essentially a very crappy product.

  10. Re:First amendment? by cdrguru · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The First Amendment refers to the government's ability to pass laws to restrict speech. It has limited effect on states, cities, villages and other municipalities.

    It has no effect on companies, contract law, or anything else.

    There is no "first amendment right to access the system". Period. You do not have any rights at all - you have privileges that the operator of the system gives you. And these can be revoked at any time. Without cause or explanation.

    Yes, that means AOL can cancel your account without telling you why.

    Yes, that means when your employer says not to do something and you do it anyway you are exposing yourself to consequences. Sometimes legal consequences in addition to just getting fired.

  11. Same here by GmAz · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The school district where I work used to have its entire network wide open. Anyone could access everything, e-mail, grades, pernament record. You name it, they had it. They just has to browse to it through the Network Neighborhood icon. One student saw this and told the assistant principal several times and he was ignored. He finally printed off a bunch of student grades and gave them to the assistant principal showing him it was a real risk and that something should be done. He was a legitimate good kid trying to help. Instead, he was Expelled from the district and was given probation (he was a minor). After that, the district REALLY tightened up its security. I feel that kid shouldn't have had anything done other than a huge thank you.

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    1. Re:Same here by koshatul · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Back when I was at school, I lost my Subject Captaincy, and almost got expelled over realising the system administrator had used a simple formula to turn all our student numbers into all our passwords.

      When I came forward with it, they called in my parents and were threatening me with explusion if I didn't tell them how I hacked the password list as "figuring out they're a formula from noticing a pattern in myown and my friends passwords" was considered impossible.

      We'll never live in a society where the people who enforce rules know about the systems that operate on them.

  12. This is nothing new. by Optifark · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I worked for an Army contractor in the 80's. I found flaws weekly. I caught flack for each one I pointed out. In the end they made me data security manager so I would just fix them and stop pointing them out to the customer. I was told I would go to jail more than once. You have to do what is right for the customer. In this case the customer was the US Army. Any company should see this is the only way to to fix holes. See them, report them, fix them. -Steve

  13. Real Fear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Sprint runs a 9-1-1 service for hundreds of jurisdictions around the United States. The heart of their system includes a Windows server that is left virtually wide open on the internet. This server is the repository of all the 9-1-1 data from telephone companies around the country. It would be trivial to add, delete, or alter the 9-1-1 data on that server and wreak havoc. The system does not even require a password.

    This has been reported to Sprint and various local 9-1-1 officials several times. Sprint denies it is vulnerable; local authorities are disinterested in investigating. Nobody will put any attention on this until that one day that a malicious party will cripple 9-1-1 systems throughout the U.S. Then there will be screams for congressional investigations and finger pointing galore.

    But the well-meaning party that performs a proof-of-concept exploit to make a point would be butchered as the terrorist they are trying to prevent.

    For now, there are people who know that the 9-1-1 system is extremely vulnerable, and they fear the day it gets exploited. But they are more afraid of ruining their lives and their families' lives by speaking out.

  14. Re:Something is Rotten by hullabalucination · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I'm pretty sure that that gigantic market share of Windows is the main reason that it's got so many viruses.

    Right. The fact that Gates, Ballmer & Company decided to ignore practically every reputable security expert on the planet and release ActiveX, a completely unsandboxed tool for crackers, had nothing to do with it. Right-o, Matey.

    First ActiveX exploit released: 1993. Latest ActiveX exploit: in the wild currently and unpatched. That's 13 years that Microsoft has ignored your security and refused to correct a huge, gaping security hole.

    We won't even talk about the RPC processes (accessible through ports left open by default) that have traditionally been running in Windows (up until just a few months ago), with full Admin privileges, every time you log in, no matter how you log in.

    The real reason Windows has more security problems: the head-in-the-sand, we'll-bend-over-and-take-more-of-this-same-old-cra p attitude of Microsoft customers.

    But here, I'll let the Microsoft folks themselves tell you:
    "Our products just aren't engineered for security," said Brian Valentine, Microsoft senior vice president for Windows development. Another Microsoft executive recently explained they never paid attention to security "Because customers wouldn't pay for it until recently."

    Article (2003) quote from http://archive.corporatewatch.org/profiles/microso ft/microsoft1.htm#Crapsoftware

  15. Re:Something is Rotten by blincoln · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It is a fact that programs get released with known bugs, it's actually an economic certainty for commercial programs.

    Bugs are going to happen. Incompetent design doesn't have to.

    There is an expensive (~$3000 license per machine) "enterprise" product that we use throughout the company. It needs to store usernames and passwords with reversible encryption. In the first version we deployed, the encryption was a substitution cipher - literally the level of "security" you'd get from a cereal box spy ring. We complained to the vendor. The next version used a one-time pad that was the same for every password on every machine where the software was installed in the world. I wrote a script that generated a decoding table in a few hours, and I'm not even a cryptography geek. We complained again, and they changed it to something that at least *appears* reasonably secure, I haven't had time to look into it.

    Even assuming it is decent this time, why did it take so long for them to do? Encryption isn't a new field. There were plenty of algorithms they could have used from the beginning instead of re-inventing ciphers from centuries ago.

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  16. FreeMcCarty.com by OneByteOff · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Since it seems this article is primarily about me, I felt it was necessary to post here. My name is Eric McCarty and you can read up on the case from my perspective on my website :

    http://www.freemccarty.com/

    I am not a malicious hacker, i am not even a hacker, I am a security researcher who wanted to goto USC to get my degree, nothing more, nothing less. If you think about it, I am one person, if I goto prison for the offense I am accused of commiting then I can still look in the mirror and know that because of my action over 200,000 people won't be victims of identity theft.

    Thats the whole point of security research in my opinion, making the internet safer, not for notariety, not for fame, or for money. Please take a look at my website and feel free to contact me directly with any comments, suggestions or if you are willing to assist my case.

    Thanks,

    Eric C. McCarty
    admin@freemccarty.com
    http://www.freemccarty.com/

  17. The other side by geekyMD · · Score: 4, Interesting
    FTFA:

    That means the law frequently rests on the definition of "authorization." Many cases suggest that if the owner doesn't want you to use the system, for whatever reason, your use is unauthorized. In one case I took on appeal, the trial court had held that searching for airline fares on a publicly available, unprotected website was unauthorized access because the airline had asked the searcher to stop.


    If a shop owner tells you to get out of his store, then you must comply or the police will be called. Why? Because if you do not comply with the wishes of the owner, its called trespass. But on the other side, the shop owner must notify the customer that they need to leave before calling the cops, otherwise its harrasment.

    Just because you know something about computer systems doesn't give you the right to invade them and show the owner what you found. How would you like a home security firm to break into your house and then publish in the local paper that you keep a key under the doormat? Yes, my house is 'publicly available' given that its not behind any gates or walls, but that is not an invitation for everyone to come in.

    What needs to happen is for security professionals as an industry to have more savvy contracts with the companys they consult for. With clauses stating that the consultant will be free from prosecution if a) they notify the company and give time to repsond and b) if the company doesn't take action and the risk is great to the public or the company's clients then c) the consultant has the right to go public with the information.

    Of course there are more clauses you might want to add, but it seems like a lot of this could be solved in the contracting steps of taking the job. If you can't get a good contract, don't take the job.

    Vigalante justice is illegal. Robin Hood was a good guy, as were the American Revolutionaries, but from a criminal law perspective they were all guilty of many crimes. They chose to break the law because of their personal convictions but they also more or less accepted the risks of doing so.

    What happened to whistle blower protection laws, wouldn't those apply in these situations?