SUSE 10.1 Released

SolusSD writes "SUSE 10.1 was released today in both its fully open source version and its retail version. You can read up on changes with the version notes, and as always torrents are available."

Comments

damn

[SolusSD]

i posted a link to the torrent in hopes more people would start downloading it and speed up my download, but they (Zonk!!!) took it out of my story summary. :(

Re:damn

[stinerman]

ummmm.....

Perhaps you'd like to post it now?

Re:damn

[HoosierPeschke]

Doesn't matter, most of us at work can't start until we go home anyway, it'll be prime tonight.

Oh yeah...

i386
x86_64
Everything Else

Re:damn

[SolusSD]

i'm at work right now... I just ssh'd into my box at home and started ktorrent in the background. :) Of course, it helps that we use linux here at work.

Re:damn

[HoosierPeschke]

Gah, must be nice, well I can't help you 'til later anyway...

Re:damn

[fak3r]

Exactly my point, although at this gig we *have* to use XP (bit forture 500 -- already got the SCO letter -- legal said no Linux -- etc) but I have PuTTY to SSH to my homeserver (freebsd) where I can do everything I need, including IRC via BitchX (IRC is blocked at the firewall here at work, and although I could prob work around it via proxy I'd rather keep it all sshhhh quiet. I've been using Dapper Drake at home -- any comments as to how far along SUSE is with their Xgl implementation versus what we're seeing day to day in Ubuntu? (those 'bouncy' windows are just so cool to move! I can't stop!) ;) ... seriously though, they're cool!

link to i386 torrent

[SolusSD]

Here's the torrent for all 5 CDs (no DVD release, yet).
This release includes xgl support for KDE and gnome as well as several other nifty features!

Re:link to i386 torrent

[speculatrix]

there's a makedvd program to build a DVD iso from the CD images. I guess this is easier to manage than having two lots of images to download. It's pretty trivial to do, simply put the iso into a directory and run the script - just be sure to have sufficient disk space for the CD ISOs, the intermediate temp files and the final ISO!
download here.

Re:link to i386 torrent

[houghi]

no DVD release, yet)
http://en.opensuse.org/Making_a_DVD_from_CDs
or directly download from https://sourceforge.net/projects/makesusedvd/

Mainly you put the 5 or 6 CD's in an empty directory , go to that directory and run makeSUSEdvd.

Good, but..

[Anonymous Coward]

..does it run Linux?

Re:It's too bad

[gameforge]

What's missing from the old SuSE?

I put SuSE on my laptop a while back; you can go from having a blank hard drive and install SuSE without rebooting once. You install it, and when you're done, you log in and start using it.

It's easier to install than Windows, and if you're a business and you purchase SuSE, you get more for your money in every way...

But, I didn't use SuSE until it was owned by Novell, so... what's missing?

Re:Tad short?

[fak3r]

Perhaps you could post the rest of your post here, in the comments section then. Just a thought!

Re:It's too bad

[Rydia]

I've been using SuSE since 6.2 (I believe), and the answer is "nothing." YaST is still making good progress, YOU has become better and better since the acquisition (though I have no idea if that's Novell's influence or not), and setting up remote RPM upgrade trees is as easy as typing in the URL and selecting your packages. It's a slick system.

I really don't see anything that has changed as a result of the acquisition.

Upgrading an existing system

[Anonymous Coward]

Is there a way to update an existing OpenSUSE 10.0 system via the internet without download the entire set of cds and burning them to physical media?

Re:Upgrading an existing system

[richardablitt]

You should be able to just download the netinst CD and use that to upgrade (remember to make a note of the server's IP address first (: ). Alternatively, you can change your sources in Yast to SL-10.1 from SL-10.0-OSS and use the system update thing. A clean install is generally safest if practical, though.

SUSE Xgl versus Dapper's implementation?

[fak3r]

I've been using Dapper Drake at home -- any comments as to how far along SUSE is with their Xgl implementation versus what we're seeing day to day in Ubuntu? (those 'bouncy' windows are just so cool to move! I can't stop!) ;) ... seriously though, they're cool!

I would expect SUSE would have a better Beagle install though, and that'd be fun to have.

xgl is big

[brother bloat]

Xgl/Compiz may be key to the widespread adoption of this release. Because Ubuntu's soon-to-be-out next realease (i.e. Dapper Drake) does not include Xgl by default (although it is available via synaptic), I wonder if people will start gravitating toward Suse in search of nifty eye-candy (especially seeing as SuSe is currently hot on the heals of Ubuntu according to http://www.distrowatch.com/'s counter (to the extent that it can be trusted)...

Current operating systems (OSX, Windows, Linux) seem to be focusing on (debatably useful) eye-candy. OSX has included some pretty sweet stuff for a while, and one of the main focus points for Windows Vista seems to be the new Aero UI. Xgl is the open source community's answer to all this (of course, Xgl ended up beating Aero to the punch).

KDE to Gnome...?

[Kadin2048]

I really don't see anything that has changed as a result of the acquisition.

Color me stupid, but didn't they switch from KDE to Gnome as a result of the acquisition? Or was that just coincidental in timing?

How is KDE on SuSE now that they've made Gnome the 'official' or primary desktop?

Right now I'm using Ubuntu with the KDE Desktop packages (Kubuntu) and I'm really dissatisfied. Everything works, but it's just really rough around the edges. The GUI config utilities all seem to be broken, Konqueror randomly crashes when I try to do certain things ("Image View" causes SIGSEGV, repeatably)...however, it browses the Internet OK, works with my SCSI card, WL card, and tape drive OK, and as long as I don't try anything weird, is basically stable. So I'm sort of in that grey area where I'm not happy with it, but I'm not ready for the major project that switching to a new distro (and having to get stuff like WL, SCSI, tape working again) would involve.

I think the next distro I switch to will be something that's corporate-backed. I want something with good documentation. Unfortunately I just cannot stand Gnome (no screen-top menu bar). I'd been eyeing SuSE for a while, but I was disappointed when they moved to Gnome and now I'm hesitant to try the KDE version, because I don't want to get in on something that's on its way out. Also I'm sick of feeling like a second-class citizen, like Kubuntu/Ubuntu.

Anyway enough ranting. I was curious though what the deal is with KDE and Gnome on SuSE, I know they say they're continuing to support KDE, but that's what spokesweasels always say about stuff right up until they end-of-life it.

Re:KDE to Gnome...?

[Anonymous Coward]

MEPIS has traditionally had a very strong KDE offering, and soon it will be based off of Kubuntu with, presumably, the extra MEPIS KDE patches. I'll probably jump ship from Kubuntu to MEPIS in the near future.

Re:KDE to Gnome...?

[Anonymous Coward]

Considering that KDE on SuSE 10.1 is more up to date than Gnome (3.5.1 vs 2.12), their commitment to KDE can not be that bad. In fact, Gnome support at SuSE surely got better, but KDE is supported as good as it always has been.

Re:KDE to Gnome...?

[SirTalon42]

I recently installed SuSE 10.0 on my laptop (a little over a week ago), and would like to point out that GNOME is in NO way the default. Though it is true that KDE is no longer the default, though thats just during the installer it asks you which DE you would like to use with the options of KDE, GNOME, or Other (yes, KDE is at the top of the list), though KDE isn't checked by default anymore. YaST's GUI is still Qt based (I think a GTK version is being worked on though). I tried an early version of Kubuntu out and found that it wasn't polished at all, and I encountered lots of bugs (though I think it was a beta). SuSE on the other hand seems to be very polished, YaST works really well and makes configuring/package management very easy.

If you prefer KDE I would recommend trying out SuSE if you haven't, hopefully Ximian won't ruin it though.

Re:KDE to Gnome...?

[barefootgenius]

I've never figured out where that rumour got started. They are concerntrating on Gnome for the corporate version as default but the opensuse release's give you a choice of desktop to use. I've been using opensuse 10.0 since just after its release and it's "rock solid" with kde. You can also point your yast installation sources towards the additional updates for kde and get the latest and greatest version.

Re:KDE to Gnome...?

[swv3752]

For 10.1, GNOME is suspose to be the default. However it is about as much of a default as KDE is the default for Mandriva. I still use GNOME as the default DE in Mandriva though.

Re:KDE to Gnome...?

[richlv]

well, it started with one interesting and easily misunderstood press release from novell.
then there are "ximian monkeys", who are gnome zealots to the point where they ride the web and add anonymous posts, announcing that kde is dead :)

personally i know a whole bunch of kde suse users, but i don't know a single suse-gnome user. though i've seen some lurking on irc, but they are not so awfully full of zealotry, so it is ok ;)

i just hope that ximian heritage doesn't ruin a good distro. if kde will be neglected in suse, i'll be looking for alternatives the next day.

Re:KDE to Gnome...?

[swv3752]

I heard from a guy that was using the RC.

Bittorrent

[Kadin2048]

Perhaps I'm mistaken here, but if everyone started downloading the torrent after you, how would this help your download speeds? Assuming the pieces download sequentially, they would all have pieces that you already have (since you started first) and instead there'd just be more fighting for connections to the few servers/peers that have the few pieces that you still need.

Seems like if you could have gotten a few thousand people to start downloading the torrent, and then started, you'd be in good shape. But I don't see why adding a bunch of new people to a torrent would help someone who's already well along in downloading the file.

Unless BT downloads pieces of a file non-sequentially, in a random order or something.

Re:Bittorrent

[irc.goatse.cx troll]

The order is specified by the client, its not random but its not sequential.

Granted, I'd rather not have a sudden influx of 1000 peers, as thats 1000 more full copies that need to go around and will hurt your dl speed more than it will help.

Re:Bittorrent

[irc.goatse.cx troll]

Except that all thousand of them are now taking up bandwidth from the few people that actually have the file. It might be fine and dandy in theory, but in practice they'll just steal bw from the seeds and the few pieces you'll get from them won't make up for it.

Re:Bittorrent

[swillden]

Assuming the pieces download sequentially, they would all have pieces that you already have

They don't download sequentially. Each torrent client chooses what parts to request, but the proper behavior (and the one implemented by most all clients) is to request "least available first". They take a look at all of the peers and seeds out there and pick the block that has the fewest existing copies, and request that one. In practice, of course, there isn't just one least-available block, so they randomly select from the set of least-available. I think (but am not sure) that they may also have a bias in favor of peers that aren't too busy.

But you're right that getting more to join in the swarm won't speed up the downloads of those already in the swarm. As the swarm grows, the total bandwidth increases, but it does so in proportion to the numbe of peers. If all of those peers are downloading, then the increase bandwidth just gets divided among the increased peers. Theoretically, this shouldn't reduce your incoming data rate, but in practice there is some inefficiency, so it does. As some of the peers finish, though, they stop consuming so the bandwidth per remaining downloader goes up.

That all assumes everyone has roughly equal pipes, which is true, on average. Mostly, everyone has fast download and slow upload speeds. When some peers with fast symmetric connections hop on, then your actual download speed will see a boost because they're increasing the average available bandwidth. So if you can get a bunch of peers with those connections to join in, you should do it. Getting a bunch more that have the same average upstream speed won't help, though.

Re:Bittorrent

[X0563511]

Realize that anyone that has managed to download the ISOs through other means can start the torrent, stop it, replace the files with the full predowloaded ones, and bang! Instant seeder.

Re:It's too bad

[Raphael]

I don't think that Novell is to blame for that. On the contrary, I think that Novell has put SuSE back on the right track.

I have been using SuSE since version 4. Yes, this is a long time ago. I have tried every single version since then. This makes a nice pile of boxes.

SuSE was by far my favorite distro until about version 8.1. Then it started getting bad (broken package dependencies, too much reliance on the graphical version of YaST2 while keyboard support was half-broken in the command-line version, settings and directory hierarchies incompatible with other distros, etc.). From my point of view, versions 8.x, 9.x and 10.0 sucked compared to other distributions available at that time. Now they are becoming good again with version 10.1.

I had really lost my faith in SuSE after several bad experiences with versions 8.x and 9.x. Version 10.0 was getting better but still a bit rough around the edges. Version 10.1 is much better. I hope that version 11 will be even better and will be able to compete with other distributions such as Ubuntu in terms of polish, features and user experience. (and before you ask: no, Ubuntu is not my favorite distro although I recommend it to most people)

Yes, actually!

[Kelson]

SuSE includes Xen virtualization, which enables you to run guest operating systems on a host operating system. You can run any OS with Xen support as a guest -- even another instance of SuSE.

So yes, SuSE will run Linux!

I ain't gonna upgrade!

[tetabiate]

Seriously, apart from slightly updated versions of most packages and a beta (or alpha?) release of Xgl, is there a good reason to throw away my highly customized and stable SuSE 10.0 installation?

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slow downloading

[nicolastheadept]

It's so busy that the .torrent file itself is downloading at 1.0KB on my 2meg connection!

Mod Parent UP

[tulare]

I love the distro, despite its many warts. Am using SuSE 10 right now, etc. OTOH, that comment needs +n: Funny asap. Moderators, take note.

Re:Tad short?

[aliquis]

I can't even find the version notes, retarded of them to remove your summary and just as retarded to not make links to it.

They say the DVD iso will be out in a week

[jfern]

I guess I'll be using Suse 10.0 until then. I tried several different Linuxes, and most of them had major problems. Suse 10.0 installed fine, and worked immediately with my Internet card. I downloaded better Nvidia drivers, and had to find some Realtek drivers to get my sound working, but it seemed to have gotten everything else working. I suggest installing MPlayer for multi-media stuff.