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Tech Fraud Beating Out Social Engineering

The Walking Dude writes "BBC News asked Frank Abagnale if technology is driving the old-school conman into extinction. 'Mr Abagnale really ought to know', as the 2002 movie Catch Me If You Can was based on his life. He served five years of a 12 year prison sentence for check fraud before being offered a job with the FBI. 'There may, after all, be life in the old con yet.'"

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  1. Old Con? Social Engineering in today's workplace by layer3switch · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Gone is the sharp-suited, debonair, sliver-tongued fraudster who'd charm his way to a personal fortune. [...] It is the ability to read a person's blind spot, tell them what they expect to hear - and get them to tell you what you need to know."

    I disagree. Now they all work in corporate america somewhere in Sales and Marketing department. Few of them even make it up to executive office. Social engineering is the template of sales and marketing.

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  2. Torrent for "Catch Me If You Can" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
  3. What about all those at Enron? by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Gone is the sharp-suited, debonair, sliver-tongued fraudster who'd charm his way to a personal fortune."

    Hey, BBC writer, didn't you ever hear of Enron?

    1. Re:What about all those at Enron? by EvanED · · Score: 5, Funny

      Wait... politics aside, are you suggesting Dick Cheney could charm his way into anything?

  4. What? by Poromenos1 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    We all know that wearing jumpsuits, walking in a building (greeting everyone in the way) and getting the computers you want is much easier than trying to hack into the system to get the data. Same for passwords, etc.

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    1. Re:What? by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Or you can just call say you are technical support and ask them for their password. Or if you are on site just read the posted notes on the monitor. People are much easier to hack then computers.

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    2. Re:What? by fux0rbob · · Score: 5, Funny

      Here's a short conversation I had with a teacher (I work for a school district) I had the other day.

      Me: "Hey, what's your password? No wait, I'll just reset your password and you can change it when the computer restarts."

      Teacher: "NO! I don't want to make a new password. I just want them all to be the same so I don't have to remember two or three. My password is 'steak'."

      Me: *Sigh* "Okay..."

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  5. He's misreading things, I believe by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The "technical" frauds today rely on social engineering. Phishing is a perfect example of social engineering, and many botnets get installed by tricking the user rather than by exploiting a technical security vulnerability.

    Nor was Abagnale non-technical. One of his scames was so beautiful that you wish you could admire it, and it was based on manipulating the magnetic ink on a check to put the check-processing infrastructure into an infinite loop. Talk about "float", especially since there was never anything behind the check in the first place. He'd withdraw the money after his victim bank decided "well, hasn't bounced yet, must be good".

  6. Old scams are definitely still alive... by RyanFenton · · Score: 4, Insightful


    Just ask James Randi - he's been keeping track of dubious scams and claims for decades. Just read through a few of his newsletters if you ever want to be amazed at the things people will pretend they can do for money, power, or just plain delusion.

    In my oppinion, healthy skepticism is something that should be taught to every school child as part of a minimal education. Knowing how to be properly, rationally skeptical is a very important skill - being either unskeptical, or holding irrational skepticism based on what you want to feel is as much a disability as not being able to read or do math. The scientific method helps if it is introduced comprehensively - but there's a LOT of scientists with doctorates that will be fooled by some of the simplest scams, then convince themselves they couldn't be fooled. Healthy skepticism is both knowing that you can be wrong, but you being wrong doesn't make someone else's extrordinary claims correct, even if it's an innocent mistake for all involved.

    Especially disturbing are the constant resurgance of medical scams. People willing to try anything can be put through real hell by people willing to offer them an option that no one else will provide. The family of the dead rarely know to put any blame on a false cure, and the living often mistakenly promote as a miracle whatever was offered, so these scams can erupt almost anywhere. Add in scam artists using religion, blaming the dying for their own failed cure, and the unfounded skepticism of scientific medicine, and you can see how nasty these situations can be.

    Ryan Fenton

    1. Re:Old scams are definitely still alive... by MustardMan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      One of the most frightening things I learn having conversations with people is their willingness to believe complete and utter bullshit. I couldn't agree more that we should be teaching scepticism in schools - people are clearly out of touch with reality and willing to believe the most ridiculous things with no evidence whatsoever.

    2. Re:Old scams are definitely still alive... by RyanFenton · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes - but as I implied a little in my earlier post, just as important as teaching the reasoning skills to be skeptical of claims, it's also very important to not hold such skepticism to an absurd degree, or to selectively hold skepticism for only certain things. Most things in life will just be unknown - and we all have a very limited opportunity in life to explore all the claims we are surrounded by.

      Making a school class out of skepticism could be a delicate job. Designing a test that could be fairly applied to students without unfairly targetting subjects that are precious to people could be (politically) difficult. Still, it's a task well worth doing.

      The ability to weigh skepticism rationally, to be able to accept not knowing things can be very tough skills to master. But I think most people would agree we'd be a lot better off if the basics of skepticism were a bigger part of public consideration.

      The danger of such a class would be that it were poorly presented, most students end up concluding that they should just be skeptical about what they like to feel is wrong. That's how a scam artist uses the common sense ideas of skepticism. It's also how we fool ourselves into believing things we wanted to believe for irrational reasons. Other students may feel that they are being lead into mental paralysis by these endless considerations, and conclude effectively the same thing.

      Still, I think such a class would be worth the potential for such mistakes. Even if all it does is make the "you're being skeptical" line in a discussion less of an insult and more of a legitimate consideration of unfair bias for people, it would be worth it.

      Ryan Fenton

    3. Re:Old scams are definitely still alive... by idonthack · · Score: 4, Funny
      One of the most frightening things I learn having conversations with people is their willingness to believe complete and utter bullshit.
      One time a girl asked a friend of mine if guys breathed through thier penis while they slept. She was completely serious. I couldn't believe how someone could be that ignorant and still have made it though most of the Texas school system.

      Wait a moment...
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    4. Re:Old scams are definitely still alive... by nitehawk214 · · Score: 5, Funny

      One time a girl asked a friend of mine if guys breathed through thier penis while they slept. She was completely serious.

      Perhaps a guy asked her to perform artifical resuscitation on his penis?

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  8. Re:Old Con? Social Engineering in today's workplac by seanadams.com · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Now they all work in corporate america somewhere in Sales and Marketing department.

    And politicians?