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Budget Graphics Cards Compared

EconolineCrush writes "Tired of reading reviews of high-end graphics cards that cost several hundred dollars or more? The Tech Report has a round-up of three budget cards that cost $80 or less. ATI's Radeon X1300 Pro, NVIDIA's GeForce 7300 GS, and S3's Chrome S27 are compared in an array of gaming, video playback, power consumption, and noise level tests against not only each other, but also a typical integrated graphics solution. As one might expect, the budget cards offer significantly better 3D performance than integrated solutions. What's even more impressive is the fact that even with newer games, the sub-$80 cards still have enough punch to deliver respectable performance."

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  1. Unanswered Question. by Whiney+Mac+Fanboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    OK, the article tells us about 3dmark, quake 4 specs, video playback, etc etc etc.

    But, they don't tell us which one (if any) has a vendor supported OSS compatable driver.

    Since XGL, etc (and I'm sure I'm not alone here), I've been on the lookout for a cheap & good 3d card, that doesn't give me 'kernel tainted' messages when I insert the driver.

    Does anyone know if any of these have good open support (I'm going to presume patchy [at best] for ATI, closed fast drivers from nvidia & good drivers [but crappy hardware] for the s27)

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    1. Re:Unanswered Question. by Grant29 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That wasn't necessarily the point of the article though. They did a good job comparing the budget video cards for performance. Is there a linux tech site that reviews hardware under different flavors of linux? That would be a useful site. Especially if they dived into driver compatibility issues on different distributions.
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    2. Re:Unanswered Question. by Whiney+Mac+Fanboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They did a good job comparing the budget video cards for performance.

      Nitpicking I know, but they actually did a good job comparing the budget video cards+software driver for performance.

      The review (while great for gamers) is pretty useless to Apple + Linux fans out there... and as this is a mixed site, I thought I'd ask.

      Is there a linux tech site that reviews hardware under different flavors of linux? That would be a useful site. Especially if they dived into driver compatibility issues on different distributions.

      That would be pretty cool - that's what I was hoping someone would reply to my comment with a link to! :-)

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    3. Re:Unanswered Question. by strider44 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Is there a linux tech site that reviews hardware under different flavors of linux? That would be a useful site. Especially if they dived into driver compatibility issues on different distributions.

      Try http://www.phoronix.com/

    4. Re:Unanswered Question. by strider44 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Does anyone know if any of these have good open support (I'm going to presume patchy [at best] for ATI, closed fast drivers from nvidia & good drivers [but crappy hardware] for the s27)

      You presume right. Nowadays I don't buy anything but nVidia graphics cards - I like my Doom 3 and co. and I can never be bothered rebooting to Windows. Hell I got Serious Sam 2 with my 7600GT and I can't even be bothered installing it and playing it.

    5. Re:Unanswered Question. by Whiney+Mac+Fanboy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Nowadays I don't buy anything but nVidia graphics cards

      Well - if performance is all you care about, you're making the right decision.

      However, some people are worried about including closed software in their kernel - they don't want linux to turn into the windows driver bugfest for starters....

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    6. Re:Unanswered Question. by BecomingLumberg · · Score: 2, Insightful
      The review (while great for gamers) is pretty useless to Apple + Linux fans out there... and as this is a mixed site, I thought I'd ask.

      I would argue that a article that is useful to a vast majority of users has certainly achieved its goal.

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    7. Re:Unanswered Question. by SillyNickName4me · · Score: 2, Insightful

      However, some people are worried about including closed software in their kernel - they don't want linux to turn into the windows driver bugfest for starters....

      While you can verify and possibly enhance an open source video driver, being oss is no guarantee for quality, neither is being closed source a guarantee for lack of quality. Incidentely, nvidia has done pretty well with regards to this where ati consistently makes a mess out of it.

    8. Re:Unanswered Question. by Whiney+Mac+Fanboy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      being oss is no guarantee for quality, neither is being closed source a guarantee for lack of quality.

      I'm afraid that it's a guarantee for lack of support. (Running a tainted kernel guarantees you won't recieve support from the core kernel group if you're having troubles.)

      Furthermore, while being oss is no guarantee of quality, inclusion in the mainline kernel tree is (to some extent anyway).

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    9. Re:Unanswered Question. by TheJediGeek · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I don't think it's that useful to most users either though.
      These are all PCI-E cards. Most people that have upgraded from AGP to PCI-E aren't going to be getting a budget card.
      Maybe if someone is rebuilding their PC and switching to a new motherboard with PCI-E, they might pick up one of these as an interim card because they spent everything on the new board and a dual core Athlon 64.
      That's really the only market I could see for these. "I spent everything on my motherboard and CPU and can't afford a faster video card for awhile, so I'll get the cheapest PCI-E card I can find."

      Maybe it's just me, but I don't see a HUGE market for a budget PCI-E card.

    10. Re:Unanswered Question. by TheJediGeek · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Most new OEM computers often have integrated crap for video, so a budget card would let them be able to game. Now, how likely are they to come across this review, well that is kinda doubtful.

      While it's true that most OEM computers DO come with integrated video, how many will also come with a PCI-E slot? Most of the time you'd be lucky to get an AGP slot, let alone a PCI-E slot.
      If there were some fairly new AGP budget cards, that would seem to be more useful than a budget PCI-E card.

    11. Re:Unanswered Question. by SillyNickName4me · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And if it doesn't? Seems to be an awful lot of weird behaviour that only happens to people running nvidia's DRI. Nvidia's not going to help you with other hardware, kernel folk aren't going to help you if you're running a tainted kernel.

      First of all, I have used nvidia drivers on different platforms, including Windows, Linux (various distributions including FC4, Debian (testing from about 6 months ago), Gentoo) and FreeBSD. On none of those I found that the nvidia drivers were generally the cause of problems. In cases where they were, and where it was reported to nvidia, there usually followed a fix for the problem.

      If you can show that their code causes the problem then they will at least try to help. I can say this from repeated experience. Yes it would be nicer if all the source was available. Yes you do run a risk of ending up with unsupported hardware over time when relying on a closed source driver, but knowing those risks, I find it highly preferable over not having the functionality it provides, esp. since as long as you don't buy the latest and greatest cards, I can buy a new one for less then I get payed for an hour of work.

      So, what you indeed lack in support from the kernel developers, you can at least partly get back. But hey, pick whatever works best for you.

      Supposed bugs or their potential existance is not an argument for using one piece of software or the other, all software has bugs, but few of those affect you most likely. Quality of code, seriousness of potential bugs, how do those get fixed, and support in general are usually good arguments however. If you feel more comfortable with only using open source software then be my guest, but stop spreading fud while trying to convince the world that your view is the only valid one.

      And tested in more hardware configurations then nvidia ever will...

      Yes. nothing new there. Guess what, in most untested cases it still works.

      And it's not so easy to get code put into the kernel as you think - the code has to be portable, 64/32 bit safe, smp & kernel preemption friendly, etc etc. Many of these things will shake out bugs you wouldn't have known existed.

      I have been involved in OS development for over 15 years, I am pretty aware of all that. I have code in 2 operating systems that are in current use, and some in one that is no longer being used much. I have worked with Microsoft developers, IBM developers, Linux developers, FreeBSD developers and many others. Yes, writing software can be quite complex and difficult. Sometimes a large group does a better job at it, sometimes a tiny group of very dedicated people do a better job at it, there is no telling in advance.

      The one clear advantage that oss has is that you can interfer yourself, and while I have the capabilities often to do so, I seldom actually get to do so because in virtually all cases asking the current developers and providing them with GOOD INFORMATION for reproducing and locating the actual bug is a lot more effective, regardless of dealing with open source or closed source software.

  2. Feh by The_Isle_of_Mark · · Score: 5, Funny

    If I can't do 27,000,000,000,000 triangles a second for under $80 I'll not buy one!

  3. Impressive by suv4x4 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What's even more impressive is the fact that even with newer games, the sub-$80 cards still have enough punch to deliver respectable performance.

    No, what's impressive is that most gamers have been successfully brainwashed that they need a $500 video card to play a modern game, while the low range has been excellent for the past 3-4 years.

    At the same time, people are shocked about PS3 being $600. I wonder what the hell happened to common sense, where we lost it and will we find it again any time soon.

    1. Re:Impressive by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Informative

      Exactly! I use the horribly outdated and underpowered Geforce FX6600 card and I can play ANY game very nicely. Even the Quake 4 watermark is very VERY playable at 1024X768 at mid level quality settings.

      and the point is playability. because you can play at 1280X1024 at full res does not make it feel any better when the 13 year old kid waxes you hard every time with his 640X480 and lowest quality settings.

      if the game is smooth and fun then that is what matters.

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    2. Re:Impressive by fatduck · · Score: 2, Insightful

      As is explained every time this topic comes up, "most gamers" don't think they need $500 video cards. Cards are priced based on supply/demand, and eventually there will be a more advanced card for $500 and the old $500 card will be in a price range that we find reasonable. If they only made $80 video cards because they're "good enough" then what is the incentive to spend on R&D for better technology?

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    3. Re:Impressive by ergo98 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Exactly! I use the horribly outdated and underpowered Geforce FX6600 card and I can play ANY game very nicely. Even the Quake 4 watermark is very VERY playable at 1024X768 at mid level quality settings.

      I suppose "very nice" and "playable" is subjective.

      The idea that you can play "ANY" game at a quality that other people would find acceptable is laughable. I have a 6600GT, and Battlefield 2 starts stuttering seriously (hugely ruining immersion) beyond 1024x768 / everything at low / no AA. I've seen how unbelievably gorgeous the game looks at high, but there's no way my graphics card can even come close to playing it well, much less turning on any form of AA, or handling some of the ultra high resolution displays that are available now.

      In other words, your comment, and comments like it, is nonsense. Just becuase you don't see a need for a better video card doesn't undermine the value for serious gamers who are willing to put one car payment towards a better video card (the same guys who'll blow their paycheque on a $50,000 car when a Civic gets there just as fast blow their gaskets about a $500 video card).

    4. Re:Impressive by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No, what's impressive is that most gamers have been successfully brainwashed that they need a $500 video card to play a modern game, while the low range has been excellent for the past 3-4 years.

      Case in point, my younger sibling has been nagging me for the last week for money to get a new graphics card. His current one runs fine. I tried explaining to him about buses and such in a effort to get across that the reason his games were running slow had little to do with the graphics card, and more to do with shoddy programming, a slow bus, etc, etc. He listen patiently and then proceeded to nag me more for ~$250 for a minor upgrade to the machines current graphics card.

      Meanwhile, when there are few agents on screen, every game runs smoothly and perfectly. On one game, Dawn of War, you can pause the action and rotate the camera around. When you do this, the pan is smooth regardless of the number of agents. This applies at reasonably high settings as well.

      Someday, maybe, people will realise that how good a game looks has less to do with the polygon count and texture rates than it has to do with artistic design. Super Mario World looks better than 95% of most games on the shelves today. It's image will stay in your mind long after the sterile landscapes of the current console high res wars have faded into oblivion.

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    5. Re:Impressive by default+luser · · Score: 2, Informative

      Exactly. There is a pricepoint for every budget, and thankfully ATI is starting to improve their pricing so they can actually offer a competitive product. S3 has also helped kick the chair out from under the bottom-end cards, bringing prices even lower.

      Here are some current-generation cards worth considering for excellent price to performance ratios in their price class:

      x1300, 7300 GS ($60)

      s27, x1300 Pro ($80)

      x1600 Pro, 7600 GS ($110)

      7600 GT ($160)

      x1800 XT 256MB, 7900 GT 256MB ($250-300)

      Unfortunately, there are some cards to avoid:

      x1600 XT: at $150, this card is beaten by the 7600 GS in many games (a $110 card!), and is completely toasted by the 7600 GT, which is only a few dollars more.

      x1800 GTO: this card perfoms similarly to the 7600 GT, but costs more ($200). Enthusiasts like it because there is a possibility of unlocking 4 extra pipes and turning the card into an x1800 XL (while voiding the warranty). Most people, however, don't want to mess with such things.

      Just like last time around, ATI is unwilling to compete with Nvidia in the midrange, so the 7600 GS and 7600 GT have no real competition...unless features like HDR + AA and Avivo interest you.

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    6. Re:Impressive by iamlucky13 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      My personal experience has been that I start to have noteworthy trouble tracking with my crosshairs once the framerate falls below that off TV (24 Hz). Above that I consider it playable, although perhaps people whose eyes are more attuned to games are more sensitive. I don't notice any improvement in the fluidity of movement above 60 Hz, and I'm extremely skeptical of any North American gamer who claims otherwise. Any improvement above ~40 Hz appears very marginal to my eyes, so I go ahead and keep the settings turned up if I can manage, but I still have a blast playing Day of Defeat even though heavy smoke can momentarily drop my framerate down below 10 fps on my ancient GeForce 2.

  4. Just one question... by Vo0k · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Will any of them give me more than 10 FPS during "Breaking Siege of Kvatch", "Battle for Bruma" and the final fight in Imperial City in Oblivion?
    That should be current benchmark method. All the budget cards I know of simply can't do it.

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    1. Re:Just one question... by Morrigu · · Score: 2, Informative

      Here's what I found w/ my setup. Base system is a P4 3.0E Prescott + Soyo SY-P4VTE mobo (VIA PT-800 chipset) + 2x Kingmax 512MB PC3200.

        * Rosewill Radeon 9600Pro/256MB AGP = hah. Whatever. Oblivion takes off its hat and laughs, then asks if I'd like to upgrade to something that gives me more than 4FPS @ 800x600.

        * Sapphire Radeon X800GTO/256MB AGP = pretty decent performance, Oblivion suggests "High" graphics settings @ 1024x768. Can bump up the resolution to 1280x1024, doesn't impact the performance too much. Consistently around 30FPS, and drops to 15-20FPS during the bigger battle scenes like "Breaking Siege of Kvatch".

      I wouldn't call the X800GTO a budget card ($170ish at Newegg now), but it seems to be the best bang-for-your-buck if you're still using an AGP system and don't feel like upgrading your entire system.

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    2. Re:Just one question... by Carewolf · · Score: 2, Interesting

      My ancient Geforce4 ti4200 can play all of those at more than 10fps (using the oldblivion patch, because bethesda are the whores of the graphics card industry).

      Just don't run with stupid levels of detail.

  5. AGP versions? by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I find it humorous that there is such a push for budget cards using a fairly new interface. Where are the AGP versions of these cards? You know, for people who really are on a budget and can't afford to buy a new motherboard to use with a new budget card...

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    1. Re:AGP versions? by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not to mention, please find me a Socket A mobo that has a PCI-E slot. What? There are only a handful (none at newegg). And none have the same features that my current mobo has that I use. Suddenly, this "budget" videocard is costing me a new motherboard and processor, plus a handful of PCI cards. No thanks.

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  6. Documentation for 'Budget' models.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    But will ATI, nVideo, or S3 provide documentation so we can write drivers even for these much less than flagship models? When they release a card (even a *much* less than cutting edge card) and the documentation to write a 3D driver for it (so I can expect to use it to potention on whatever operating system), then I will be impressed and interested in the bargain.

    1. Re:Documentation for 'Budget' models.... by LurkerXXX · · Score: 2, Funny
      What's wrong w/ the existing nVidia drivers?

      It's a blob.

  7. Almost by everphilski · · Score: 2, Informative

    You are right, $500 card is way too much. But an $80 card is gimp. If you are going to make the upgrade do it right and get a mid-range card that has withstood the test of time, something like a nVidia 6600 or 6800 GTS. It'll set you back a few bucks more than these cards - 30-50$ more - but you will get a whole lot more value.

  8. Are they bloody serious?! by ceeam · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm not much of a gamer but - well - my current Radeon 8500 looses it on most modern games (though I'm still happy with it in IL2 and GPL, that I mostly play). So I thought for some about a new video card (and a bloody new MB apparently since they decided to kill AGP, bastards). Nothing over $100-150 - just something with support for modern features and reasonable performance. Nice article for me....

    But hey!! Check out power consumption figures! They state 85 watts in idle and 145.6 watts under load for their "winner" card (Radeon X1300). W.T.F.?! That's like three times more than my 90nm AMD64 CPU, right? You know what - go to hell. Call me back when you have something reasonable with passive cooling.

    1. Re:Are they bloody serious?! by Ihlosi · · Score: 2, Informative
      But hey!! Check out power consumption figures! They state 85 watts in idle and 145.6 watts under load for their "winner" card (Radeon X1300). W.T.F.?! That's like three times more than my 90nm AMD64 CPU, right?

      Yes. Doing a simple sanity check should reveal that the power consumption figures probably include the rest of the system, since this is much easier to measure than the power consumption of the graphics card alone.

  9. A better option by Doomstalk · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Budget video cards almost always suck. You're better off buying the best of the previous generation or, even better, buying refurbished or open box hardware from sites like Newegg. I was browsing their open box section the other day for a friend, and came across a Radeon x1600 Pro 256mb for $90. A little bit more money than their target, but for $10 you get a card that's not intentionally crippled.

  10. Instead of today's budget cards ... by Ihlosi · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ... just consider buying one of yesterdays "mainstream" cards. An X800 GTO will wipe the floor with any of the crippled budget cards, while being in the same price range (assumed you can find the version with 128 MB GDDR1 memory, the slightly faster GDDR3 versions cost a bit more).

  11. Re:onboard video and no dedicated memory by andreyw · · Score: 2, Informative

    Run glxinfo.

    Is direct rendering enabled? Is the OpenGL vendor string "ATi Technologies Inc". Basically... can you tell from the glxinfo that you're indeed running hardware accelerated graphics, or if you're using software MESA OpenGL? I think it could be the second in your case, and that your graphics wasn't properly set up. What distribution is this on?

  12. Power hungry and Noisy by pjrc · · Score: 3, Informative
    Ok, I thought, "hmm, maybe this is the time to upgrade that crappy but silent card I bought some time ago?". I believe it was a nvidia 6600LE... which as I understand is the graphics equiv of the low-end 6200, but has its own dedicated 256 meg memory.

    Why would I buy that? Well, cost wasn't the concern. At the time, it was the best card on the market that was passively cooled. No fan = no extra noise!

    So I clicked the link to TFA, and jumped right to the end, and it turns out the quietest card is 44 dBA. No thanks! Not after the low noise power supply, an after-market super-quiet chipset heatsink/fan, and installing 120 mm low-rpm fans (20 dBA), and the quiet Seagate drive. Even worse, from TFA:

    Unfortunately, none of our budget cards are intelligent enough to lower fan speeds at idle, and none offer silent, passive cooling

    So does anyone know of better cards that ARE passively cooled, and will work inside a case with scant airflow due to using large but very low speed fans.

    1. Re:Power hungry and Noisy by bri2000 · · Score: 2, Funny

      I had an 256MB X800 (note lack of suffix) which was passively cooled (made by Gigabyte, doubt they make it anymore but old samples may still be around). Coped very well with all modern games (including Oblivion at 1024*768 with bloom lighting and the view distances maxed out and F.E.A.R. at a similar resolution), cost about £130 and I was very happy with it. Unfortunately (and this may or may not have had anything to do with the 20 sessions of Oblvion it was forced to undergo on the weekend before its demise) it died exactly a week after its warranty expired.

  13. Comparison to older cards? by CSG_SurferDude · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why don't they ever compare graphics cards to slightly older cards? I have an ATI 9200 but have not a clue if these cards are the worse, the same, or better than the card I already have in my box...

  14. And the winner is.... by LoverOfJoy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Their conclusion? The best budget card is the most expensive one they looked at, the Radeon X1300 Pro.

  15. Not budget cards!! by Carewolf · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What's the point in reviewing budget cards if the require investing in a top computer?

    All of the cards require PCI express and consume extreme amounts of power requiring motherboards and PSU less than a year old!

  16. IMHO, LCD monitors caused much of this.... by King_TJ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    With a CRT monitor, all of the supported resolutions display equally well. Unfortunately, as gamers upgraded to fancy, new 19" and 21" LCD monitors, they only look good at a single, native resolution - which is usually much higher than people ran their CRTs at.

    This translates to needing a beefier graphics card to get the frame-rates you expect, vs. the "old way" of just playing all your 3D games at a lower resolution like 800x600.

  17. S3 Open? DVI? by twistedcubic · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Does the S3 have open drivers for the DVI interface? I'm looking to ditch Matrox.

  18. Re:Compare that to people buying shoes! by LunaticTippy · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I disagree. My attidude has been "It's all made in China, buy on price" and it has served me well. My cheapest-I-could-find dvd player is on its 5th year. My friend who got a low-end "videophile" dvd player is on his 3rd.

    You shouldn't get equipment that is missing features, or that has easily perceptible video/sound quality problems. Aside from that, buy on price. It'll only get better and cheaper. Don't act like it's an investment. It's a commodity that is constantly and rapidly dropping in value.

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  19. Does "half resolution" fix interpolation problem? by MojoStan · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Unfortunately, as gamers upgraded to fancy, new 19" and 21" LCD monitors, they only look good at a single, native resolution...

    This translates to needing a beefier graphics card to get the frame-rates you expect, vs. the "old way" of just playing all your 3D games at a lower resolution like 800x600.

    Wouldn't setting your 3D games at "half" (actually one-fourth) the LCD's native resolution (and stretching to full screen) fix that nasty scaling/interpolation problem? I can't find a good answer from my google searches.

    On most 21" (4:3 AR) LCDs, the native resolution is 1600x1200. I think you should be able to set your 3D game at 800x600, then stretch it to full screen. Each 800x600 pixel would then be simply traslated to four 1600x1200 pixels, right? If this works, then setting your 3D game at 800x600 (with some AA) would be a better experience (decent FPS and quality) than setting your 3D game at native 1600x1200 (bad FPS).

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  20. Re:Does "half resolution" fix interpolation proble by Petrushka · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's weird, but I find some resolutions look much better than others on my 1280x1024 monitor. 1280x1024 looks good, of course; 800x600 also looks good. However, 1024x768 and 960x600 look abominably awful. Strangely, 1152x864 looks very nice indeed. Is it just me?

  21. Re:Does "half resolution" fix interpolation proble by toddestan · · Score: 2, Informative

    A lot depends on your monitor's ability to scale the output from the video card. Some monitors have algorithms that are good at this, and some do very poorly. One monitor I have (20.1" Sony) seems to do very well at non-native resolutions, while another (19" Gateway) looks like crap. I have also used a 19" Viewsonic which seemed to do a decent job, and a 17" NEC which was kind of in the middle. I have also found that overall, most laptops look terrible at non-native resolutions. Some monitors (like the Sony) have multiple scaling algorithms and let the user choose which one works best for them, though I haven't messed around too much with it since the default seems to work good enough.