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Cranky Editorials About Videogames

GamePolitics has a roundup of some game-related weekend editorials. Some of them are awful cranky and not terribly well thought-out. From the Peoria Journal-Star: "Many of my college students... seem to be less familiar with books than earlier generations. In part, you can blame the influence of video games in pre-teens' lives. If the choice is 'Moby Dick' or Playstation, I think we know which one a kid will pick... In other words, good writing means good salaries. Think about that the next time you choose between taking your kid to the video store or the library..." Another piece rails against the Columbine videogame, while papers in Louisiana are duking it out over the recently passed videogame legislation.

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  1. books vs. video games by Mistshadow2k4 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "If the choice is 'Moby Dick' or Playstation, I think we know which one a kid will pick"

    When I was a kid in the 70s they said the same thing about television. (Jesus, don't people remember that? God, I'm not THAT old!) My grandmother told me once that they said the same thing about radio when she was a kid. So what did they blame before radio? I'd imagine it was wanting to play outside instead of reading. Hint: many kids don't like reading all that much, especially ponderous books like Moby Dick

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    1. Re:books vs. video games by merreborn · · Score: 2, Funny

      "So what did they blame before radio?"

      The novel, actually.

    2. Re:books vs. video games by kisrael · · Score: 2, Interesting
      "In New England, the literacy rate was over 50 percent during the first half of the 17th century, and it rose to 70 percent by 1710. By the time of the American Revolution, it was around 90 percent. This is seen by some as a side effect of the Puritan belief in the importance of Bible reading.

      In the United States, one in seven people (more than 40 million people) can barely read a job offer or utility bill, which arguably makes them functionally illiterate"


      Don't forget the importance of mathematical literacy, especially in thinking about how statistics can be recast. You're talking 90% literacy in 1776, vs 14% of the present population being "arguably functionally illiterate" And presumably, that's illiterate in English, and some of those people might be perfectly capable of functioning in their native languages.

      Frankly I don't think it's basic literacy that's the core issue, it's that reading decent books is likely an aid to mental modeling and critical thinking. That's where the possible downside of new media comes to play. Like this slashdot conversation quoted,
      [a] 7th-8th grade algebra teacher complained to me last night, "They can't figure anything out on their own. Even their video games don't teach them problem solving. It's all 'jump-jump-squat', over and over again."
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    3. Re:books vs. video games by Impotent_Emperor · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I can safely say that High School destroyed my love of reading. I don't even want to read ubiquitous Star Wars books anymore. In particular, I blame Maya Angelou.

      Christ, one of the most entertaining books I remember reading was about the Longitude Prize and the Harrison clocks. But I'm sure the Literature Establishment will never agree with me.

    4. Re:books vs. video games by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Meh. Video games are too new to be the root of the problem. Look back to TV and radio, and the declining importance put on literacy by schools.

      Lot of people in this thread have said it already...Too much emphasis is put on "getting through" this period or that period of classic literature, and too little is put into fundamentals. I can't remember having quality grammar or analysis of structured argument in any high school course, and its wasn't in any of my required courses in college either.

      It wasn't in any of my required courses. Did I mention I have a BA in english?

      Don't be too quick to blame games. A lot of games require more reading than TV does.

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    5. Re:books vs. video games by AoT · · Score: 2, Funny

      Oh shit, you did not just say "Negroes."

      What century are we in again?

    6. Re:books vs. video games by Cornflake917 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I have to say that High School destroyed my will to read also. In middle school it was awesome, we could read any book from the library we wanted. I read a few C.S. Lewis books, Jurassic Park, and I instantly became hooked on sci-fi/fantasy. I started reading Robert Jordan, Anne Mcaffery, Orson Scott Card. I remember my teacher was impressed that I could read books by C.S. Lewis. Then high school came along and we were forced to read the same cookie cutter "classics" that every other damn high school student had to read. 90% of those books where just complete chores to read. I've read maybe about 2 or 3 novels for entertainment purposes since high school. One of them including "America: The Book" by John Stewart.

    7. Re:books vs. video games by linvir · · Score: 2, Funny
      Wow! Finally someone puts it into perspective for me! I can't believe I couldn't see it before, but it's just so obvious: blacks and poor people are just stupid!
      JIM: Hey, did you know that literacy has declined every year in the US since racial quotas were removed?

      DAVE: No dude, I hadn't heard that. Could that be because of the socioeconomic status of nonwhite races here and their substandard access to education?

      JIM: What are you, retarded or something?! The only logical conclusion is that blacks are dumb!

      DAVE: Of course! How blind I was! Now I must kill all the younglings!

  2. I can believe this... by Otter · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I'm talking about young people who don't know how to use a period. Or never learned that you need to capitalize "United States." Or have no idea about extreme basics like nouns and verbs, and why one of each must be in every sentence.

    I can believe this is a problem. (A coworker was recently ranting about someone who regularly sends her lengthy emails where the only vowels are the 'o's in 'lol'.) But IM, chatrooms and blogs seem like more likely culprits than games.

    1. Re:I can believe this... by shotfeel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And sadly, the people who say things like what you quoted will insist the kid must read "Moby Dick" and other classics, while simultandously denigrating the reading of science fiction, fantasy and graphic novels.

      I'd like to know when in the Professor's childhood, millions of kids stayed up until midnight to get their hands on a new book, or waited anxiously by the door for the delivery person to bring their finally un-embargoed book. Then maybe he should visit a local, mainstream bookstore when the final Harry Potter book is released.

      Just because kids don't read what he did or thinks they should, doesn't mean they are any more lacking in literacy.

  3. Call Me Ishmae*SZZZNNNNNKK* by American+AC+in+Paris · · Score: 5, Insightful
    If the choice is 'Moby Dick' or Playstation, I think we know which one a kid will pick.

    If the choice is 'Moby Dick' or pick-up a game of baseball, I think we know which one a kid will pick.

    If the choice is 'Moby Dick' or going out on the lake for a day on a friend's boat, I think we know which one a kid will pick.

    If the choice is 'Moby Dick' or hanging out at the local Denny's, I think we know which one a kid will pick.

    If the choice is 'Moby Dick' or mowing the lawn with the blunt edge of a butter knife, I think we know which one a kid will pick.

    Seriously. If we're going to bemoan the fact that kids generally tend to prefer leisure activities to poring over the great classics of Western literature, we could at least pick something that most kids might actually enjoy reading, like Shakespeare (Serial regi-patri-fratricide? Poison-tipped swords? Mass slaughter? Hot chicks? Rawk!)

    But Moby Dick--well, what teen wouldn't be utterly enthralled by a several-hundred-page long account of the finer points of the early American whaler's life and amateur deck-pacing?

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  4. Re:I'd most certainly hope... by Distinguished+Hero · · Score: 3, Funny

    As well, reading is much too passive an activity. It encourages mental passiveness, instead of being aware and engaged in our surroundings.

    Exactly. The fact that most of the great thinkers throughout history have been illiterates who never bothered with books further supports your assertion.

    P.S. This post employs a literary device. Figuring out the literary device is left as an exercise for the reader.

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  5. Purpose and Perspective by richdun · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I think (and will not substantiate with evidence, as is customary on this Internet thing) that the biggest problem with arguments like those mentioned in TFA is purpose and perspective. It has long been the case that the previous generation doesn't understand the current or next generation simply because they somehow forget that just a few years back it was they who were misunderstand by their previous generation. Age tends to lock us into our own perspectives, and we forget to look for others. I for one have always hated reading the "classics" because they lack relevance and tend to contain language that was long lost - yet society seems to have continued without "thee" "thy" etc.

    I remember in senior English in high school reading passages from Beowulf, then trying to read the original text (in English, but in Old or Middle English). I wonder if the people in those times felt the youngsters were too radical and forgetting their heritage. Language is meant to allow for communication between people and cultures (and times, really). So long as we're able to communicate, and do so effectively, we're good.

    That said, I think the more important dilemna is not youth's rejection of classical education for video games, but the lack of communication that exists between many youth and their parents/grandparents/etc. In most cases, it's not the youth's fault.

  6. Every generation has its culprit by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Today games, yesterday TV, before that radio, before that it was the "bad books". And I'm quite sure that what we call the "classics" today were the "bad books" of their generation.

    Yes, the language of our kids changes. For the better or worse, who're we to determine that? Looking back 200 years you'll see that the language was laboured, ponderous, loaded with terms and phrases that feel awkward to us today. Yet, if you spoke like we do today back then, you might have been called "simple" and "unrefined", because you use most likely fewer words to express what you want to say, and you do not try to create word constructs that make your listener doze away.

    Language is ever evolving. And while I'm not really fond of the "OMG d00dZ!!!1!!1111" we find in chatrooms more often than people able to create sensible English sentences (non-native speakers are exempted from the requirement), they don't represent the language spoken. They are a minority (even though one that we, as computer users and most likely also chatroom users, tend to meet fairly often).

    Don't worry. They won't write books, so our generation will not be judged by them by future generations.

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  7. Quick run through by RogueyWon · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Ok, random thoughts on each of the articles referenced by TFA:

    The Columbine game: this is one of those times when, even as a fairly straightforward, no compromises, advocate of free-speech, I wish I didn't find myself on the same side as some of these nutcases. Yes, yes, it's their right to say it and yes, I'll defend it. I seriously wish I didn't have to, though. I feel the same way about Rockstar sometimes. Their games rock in terms of the core gameplay (even if they have started recycling of late), they've reinvented several genres several times and if they want to make a game in which you dig up and rape the corpses of the grandmothers of assorted members of congress, then it is their right to do so. But for god's sake, guys, could you not grow up a little? Would make all of our lives so much easier and not make me feel... well... soiled, whenever I have to defend video-games against the latest loud-mouthed office bore.

    On games resulting in poor literacy: this article's slightly better than the snippets in both the summary and TFA. I've worked (briefly) in a school and there's no denying that standards of literacy are hideous today. Is the growth of the games industry a factor? Possibly. There's certainly an extra level of distraction that has resulted from the easy availability of games. However, I think this is missing the point a bit. The primary responsibility for ensuring a child's literacy is split between parents and schools and there are too many cases where both of these fail. I strongly suspect that many of the teachers complaining about videog games are themselves part of the problem. If they would stop chasing after the latest politically correct, culturally sensitive educational paradigm and start actually teaching kids how to write - including incentivising failure and penalising failure - then they might find that school-leavers would suddenly be able to string two words together in print again.

    And the Louisiana thing: Oh for god's sake, have these people nothing better to do? They know the law is unconstitutional and will, after much time, effort and expense, be struck down. Is there not a case for prosecution here, on the grounds of misappropriation of public funds?

  8. Compare and Contrast by nsmike · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I have a BA in English. I can remember a few of my classmates who were a semester ahead of me in credits, and ended up in a Senior Seminar course with one of the most respected and well-liked professors of the English department (with good reason, he is an excellent professor). Unfortunately, for both him and the students, he chose Moby Dick as the subject for this seminar course. I never heard so many students turn on a good professor so quickly, and look so dejected and defeated after class every day.

    Pick something a little more upbeat and of interest than Moby Dick, please.

    P.S. - Even with an English degree, I still very much DESPISE the classics.

  9. What is wrong with Moby Dick? by B5_geek · · Score: 2, Interesting

    As a bored teenager many years ago I decided to read Moby Dick simply because it is considered a classic (and I wanted to know what the big deal was) {as a bonus, Picard kept making several references to it too}.

    While it was quite slow in places, I did enjoy the book. But I sence that my reaction to it might be unique.

    Am I the only person who thought it was (mostly) Very Funny?

    Disclaimer: yes there are some very somber parts, and humor was not the "all-encompassing" point to the book. Lest we forget the real moral to the story either.

    But, damn I was Laughing out Loud at several parts of the story. My mom would ask "What's so funny?" My reply of "Moby Dick", would only cause her to give me an odd look.

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  10. Teachers introduce Austen too early by tepples · · Score: 3, Insightful

    if you can't get past that point, I'm not surprised you hate the classics- they all take a refined reader to understand and appreciate.

    The trouble is that curriculum designers expect high school students, whose brains' emotion centers are not yet fully developed, to already be "refined" as you define it. Being forced by the school system to pretend to appreciate college or grad school level themes while in high school is enough to turn a student off from reading fiction.

  11. You might want to remember that by Krakhan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Correlation != Causation