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Plan For Cloaking Device Unveiled

Robotron23 writes "The BBC is reporting that a plan for a cloaking device has been unveiled. The design is pioneered by Professor Sir John Pendry's team of scientists from the US and Britain. Proof of the ability of his invention could be ready in just 18 months time using radar testing. The method revolves around certain materials making light "flow" around the given object like water."

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  1. Obligatory by HeXetic · · Score: 5, Funny

    I, for one, welcome our new invisible overlords.

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    1. Re:Obligatory by Mr.+Bad+Example · · Score: 5, Funny

      > I, for one, welcome our new invisible overlords.

      Invisible overlords? Frankly, I can't see it happening.

    2. Re:Obligatory by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 2, Funny

      >Invisible overlords? Frankly, I can't see it happening.

      No? It was perfectly clear to me.

    3. Re:Obligatory by FFFish · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think "fear" is currently the big invisible overlord in much of the world.

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  2. Tenuous at best by Rethcir · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Granted I didn't RTFM, but proof of my ability to turn, say, a brick into 20 pounds of diamonds could also be ready within 18 months.

    1. Re:Tenuous at best by vodkamattvt · · Score: 3, Funny

      I have millions of venture capital for you my friend. Please give me your bank account number and I will deposit my funds which are stuck in Nigeria at the moment.

    2. Re:Tenuous at best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      You don't have a problem with the bricks into diamonds part, just the 20lb bricks?

    3. Re:Tenuous at best by schon · · Score: 5, Funny

      Given a brick weighs less than 20lbs - how do you propse doing that?

      Well, you start by throwing it through a jewellery store window. :o)

    4. Re:Tenuous at best by TheDreadSlashdotterD · · Score: 2, Funny

      magic

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    5. Re:Tenuous at best by jpardey · · Score: 5, Funny

      Here's a picture of one:







      Pretty incredible, eh?

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    6. Re:Tenuous at best by Holi · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yes but then my secretly stashed pile of bricks will be worth MILLIONS.

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  3. Re:Government Uses by Metabolife · · Score: 3, Funny

    Forget the government, I know a lot of this I could do with this. And most of them violate the constition, and morality, and decency, and privacy, and...

  4. The Romulans... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    will be pissed. :D

  5. Slashdot's at it again by SoVeryTired · · Score: 5, Funny

    I long for a month where slashdot doesn't announce a new design for a cloaking device...

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    1. Re:Slashdot's at it again by ceoyoyo · · Score: 2, Funny

      I don't know why everybody's so excited about cloaking devices. We clearly won't use them because you can't fire weapons when they're engaged and a clever chief engineer or science officer can always figure out a way to detect the ship anyway. On the rare occasion when we actually NEED a cloaked ship, like when we need to go back in time and pick up some whales, we'll just lift a Klingon ship.

  6. Ooops! by udoschuermann · · Score: 5, Funny

    AP Wire (2019): In the news today, once again the military claims to have "lost" an F-22 somewhere on the grounds of Andrews Airforce Base (AFB). Said Captain J. Andrews (no relation): "I could have sworn I parked the thing right over there. Last night's storm must have blown the locator-ribbon off the nose or something."

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    1. Re:Ooops! by Cl1mh4224rd · · Score: 3, Funny
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    2. Re:Ooops! by modecx · · Score: 2, Funny

      once again the military claims to have "lost" an F-22 somewhere on the grounds of Andrews Airforce Base.

      It's not really a big deal... But you do have to wait for it to rain! :)

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  7. Good by owlman17 · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is good if the enemy doesn't have a Comsat or a Science Vessel.

    1. Re:Good by CrazyJim1 · · Score: 5, Funny

      So it will work well vs Iran who's going nukes and can't build a comsat.

    2. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      If this is the case, then I, for one, would have to welcome some Overlords.

    3. Re:Good by RedBear · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This is good if the enemy doesn't have a Comsat or a Science Vessel.

      Don't you mean a Science Wessel?

      Wessel.

      Well, I thought it was funny...

  8. Cloaking for fun and profit by patio11 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    There is a Japanese research group which has a cloaking system (well, technically its more of a very adaptive camoflague -- significant drawbacks, such as the requirement to have a camera focused on the object you want to cloak, make it less than useful for military applications). Its essentially useless currently, but it makes for very fun tech demos.

    http://projects.star.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp/projects/MEDI A/xv/oc.html

    My favorite one is the breakdancing guy in the bottom video.

    1. Re:Cloaking for fun and profit by fufubag · · Score: 2, Interesting
      No, for example, every inch of body armour may have a 2mm by 2mm (or smaller - nano) camera lense, and the rest taken up by some kind of 'screen' (but each screen is connected to a camera on the opposite side), and this is done all over the suit. Every 1 inch screen has its own camera on the opposite side. So from every angle, you would see what the cameras are recording on the exact opposite side (the camera is filming what you would have in your line of sight if the target was not standing in the way).

      Basically the exterior of the suit would be made up of hundreds or thousands of nano cameras mixed with some kind of view-screens as well.

    2. Re:Cloaking for fun and profit by ^Bobby^ · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Parallax. Any 'stealth suit' that relies on cameras and screens cannot work because a screen would have to show different images depending on the angle the person is looking for.

    3. Re:Cloaking for fun and profit by It'sYerMam · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This would work great if you wanted to cloak a sphere. If, however, you view anything else, then as the viewing angle changes, so does what you expect to see behind it. Imagine (as a simple example) a cube with a large camera on one end and a screen on the other. You will only see what you expect to see when you view the screen straight on. Otherwise, the camera will have rotated with respect to you and will be transmitting diagonally to the screen.
      Further, if you then deform the screen or the surface with the cameras on, this breaks completely, too.

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    4. Re:Cloaking for fun and profit by dajak · · Score: 2, Insightful

      such as the requirement to have a camera focused on the object you want to cloak, make it less than useful for military applications).

      The US is used to enjoying air superiority, but other militaries might be interested in having an "instant camouflage screen" based on this idea over parked vehicles instead of messing around with nets and paint.

      Maybe the Dutch/German Fennek vehicle can be adapted to sort of cloak itself from planes using its periscope.

  9. Doesn't this vialate our treaty with the Klingons? by NerdENerd · · Score: 2, Funny

    Doesn't this vialate our treaty with the Klingons?

  10. Imagine the market! by Arthur+B. · · Score: 2, Funny

    In the pr0n business

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  11. In theory, this post will be modded down... by AlexanderDitto · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'd like to point out that this is brilliantly advanced... in theory. It's completely possible and will likely be buildable... in theory.

    I RTFA, and frankly, it sounds like confirmation of the idea that mathamatics in general is WAY ahead of the other sciences. Things that are perfectly possible in theory are out of our grasp in the real world... right now, at least.

    Even as a mathmatician, the fact that there's so much theory and so little actual DOING has me worried. There's a tiny flaw in the use of 'metamaterials' to make objects invisible... we don't HAVE metamaterials.

    Though, it beats sticking my head in the sand by a long shot.

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    1. Re:In theory, this post will be modded down... by Vellmont · · Score: 5, Insightful


      I RTFA, and frankly, it sounds like confirmation of the idea that mathamatics in general is WAY ahead of the other sciences.

      The thing you need to understand is that mathematics isn't a science. You can create lots and lots of perfectly valid mathematical theories, prove them true, and they don't have one tiny bit of them relevent to the real physical world. A great example of this is being able to cut a sphere in a certain way into an infinite amount of pieces, and reassemble it into a larger volume. It works great as far as the mathematics is concerned. But obviously you can't do that in the real world because real matter can't be infintely divided.

      That's not to say that mathematics isn't usefull. Obviously it's used all the time to make models and predictions. My point is that there's no such thing as mathematics being way ahead of the other science, since mathematics doesn't really relate to the other science directly. As far as science is concerned, mathematics is just another tool in exploring science.

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    2. Re:In theory, this post will be modded down... by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If you thinks mathematics is advanced, just wait until you learn about literature. Now there is a field where they are pushing the boundries. Why I once saw this sentence which described a technology beyond my wildest dreams, I am just really frustrated by how slow the physicists have been in implementing it.

  12. Nonsense -- water does not look like light. by cinnamoninja · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They claim that certain "metamolecules" have the power to make light behave like water, and flow rather than scatter. I quote:

    "A little way downstream, you'd never know that you'd put a pencil in the water - it's flowing smoothly again.

    "Light doesn't do that of course, it hits the pencil and scatters. So you want to put a coating around the pencil that allows light to flow around it like water, in a nice, curved way."


    The truth is, water scatters when hitting something, too. It just doesn't *matter*, because all particles of water look the same to us. So, if the water particle that would have been in the middle without the disruption ends up on the far right, it doesn't matter!

    However, we are very, very good at telling different pieces of light apart. At best, this will provide very good camo, where pieces of color from the environment behind you show up on you instead. At worst, the disruption from light working in unexpected ways will make this "invisibility" be a very noticeable beacon. You know how your eyes always flick to something that moves (animated ads, anyone?) This would be like that.

    1. Re:Nonsense -- water does not look like light. by Salsaman · · Score: 4, Informative

      A little further down, they say:

      "What you're trying to do is guide light around an object, but the art is to bend it such that it leaves the object in precisely the same way that it initially hits it. You have the illusion that there is nothing there"

    2. Re:Nonsense -- water does not look like light. by bw_bur · · Score: 2, Informative
      I don't think you've RTFA. You certainly haven't read the paper.

      At best, this would provide almost perfect camouflage. Bits of colour from the background would not show up on you; from whatever direction you look at it, you would see right through it. The light goes around the cloaked object, but there is no way for you to know that.

      Of course, this only works over a restricted frequency range. In addition, since these metamaterials are usually based on resonant systems and are consequently strongly dispersive, there is some initial scattering while the resonance is established; very short pulses defeat the invisibility.

  13. Re:Radar? by Amouth · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I would think a little different.. the Stealth Bomber is "Stealth" against active radar.. but can still be seen via passive radar..

    abet harder to set up a passive radar system but not imposable..

    when you send out the radar wave and look for what bounces back that is active.. when you have something on the other side of your target looking for that wave - that is passive.

    if you setup two towers and the broadcast to each other and you fly between them they can tell even if they can see it actively... if you set up a perimeter of them say 3-4-5 or more and they all talk back and forth .. they could see the stealth bomber fly through and if your field is dense enough they would be able to track it easily

    with this type of tech the item would be invisible to active and passive radar.. although I bet it would show some type of ghosting effect for areas near it via passive scan.. it would be very hard to track.

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  14. If it bleeds we can kill it by Timbotronic · · Score: 2, Funny

    Here's a picture of the prototype...

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  15. Useless for people by GFLPraxis · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If I'm not mistaken, since this bends the light around the object, none of the light actually hits the object, correct?

    So no invisible surveilance cameras or human beings- the light would miss the lens of the camera or the eye of the human and they'd be completely blind.

    1. Re:Useless for people by Feyr · · Score: 2, Insightful

      no one said you'd have to be completly invisible,

      sure this does preclude some applications, but imagine as a camouflage for an armored vehicle. you just keep the window visible and/or camera lens. you just got yourself a nice nearly invisible tank, which is a thousand time better than what they have right now

    2. Re:Useless for people by mcrumiller · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not to mention the fact that they can probably design it to only block visible light--perhaps infrared or radio communication would work?

    3. Re:Useless for people by pnewhook · · Score: 5, Funny

      yea, an invisible tank is great until you get out and forget where it's parked.

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    4. Re:Useless for people by Walt+Dismal · · Score: 4, Funny

      No, not useless. The first guy to invent a fat ass-cloaking device for women will make billions, except in the hip hop community.

    5. Re:Useless for people by shawb · · Score: 4, Funny

      That's why you have the alarm button on the key fob.

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    6. Re:Useless for people by phoenix321 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      There are thousands of CCD "spy"cameras available everywhere that have an aperture of less than 3mm. Their video quality is not much worse than the regular surveillance cam, which is already enough for driving a tank. And I'm sure the military can do MUCH better than that.

      An enemy near enough to see two tiny camera pinholes in front of a cloaked M1 Abrams from the future should make his peace with God immediately.

    7. Re:Useless for people by Professor_UNIX · · Score: 4, Funny
      yea, an invisible tank is great until you get out and forget where it's parked.

      Just look for where the tank treads end.

    8. Re:Useless for people by Cervantes · · Score: 2, Funny

      yea, an invisible tank is great until you get out and forget where it's parked.

      It's disguised to look like two homeless people fighting over a wheel of cheese...

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    9. Re:Useless for people by somersault · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If you can see the infra-red then it's fairly useless as anything but camouflage against infantry with no IR goggles.. and infantry aren't too much of a threat to tanks anyway.

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    10. Re:Useless for people by Thuktun · · Score: 2, Insightful

      An enemy near enough to see two tiny camera pinholes in front of a cloaked M1 Abrams from the future should make his peace with God immediately.

      Gee, what's that shimmer over there that sounds like a 110 db tank engine?

    11. Re:Useless for people by bhiestand · · Score: 2, Insightful
      still, you need an RPG. Not many soldiers tend to carry them around, just in case they run into a tank. You'd basically need a squad of people, one person with the bazooka/whatever, and a few guys to cover him. Basically it's best if you can wipe the tank off of all possible scanners.

              I don't think this really usually matters for tanks the way it does for helicopters, planes, missiles, missile silos, etc, at least not for America. What's it matter if the enemy can see you when you have double their range, close air support, infrared/NVG capability, datalinks showing you a picture of the battlefield, and insane DU armour? Sure, they could be taken out by some good IEDs or in urban warfare, but you usually want your presence to be known. If we just want to blow something up without warning, we can just put a missile on the job. Tanks are about show of force.
              Compare that to, say, invisible "black" (ref. to silent) helicopters, where you can fastrope troops into a building to capture its occupants with absolute surprise. Plus being completely undetected infiltrating or exfiltrating troops! Hell, with something like that we could probably end this whole North Korea and Iran building nukes thing.
              Hell, how about an invisible/no-radar-reflection destroyer? You could sail one straight up the Delaware, so to speak. No warning, but, all of a sudden, there are ten american destroyers within a few miles of your nation's capital. Hell of a way to end a war quickly if you can start by capturing the capital and senior leadership...
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  16. Re:Doesn't this vialate our treaty with the Klingo by dark404 · · Score: 2, Funny

    No, it violates our treaty with the romulans stupid!

  17. Re:Doesn't this vialate our treaty with the Klingo by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 2, Funny

    Romulans actually.

    And no it doesn't, because we've got a couple of centuries until we actually sign it.

  18. Re:maths? by patio11 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Yes, in UK and Australia (and probably other Commonwealth nations, although I don't have personal experience outside of those two -- Canada I think follows American usage) "mathematics" always shortens to "maths" when describing a field of study ("My worst subject at uni was maths"), the process of computation ("Help me, I can't get the maths to work out here"), etc etc.

  19. Research abstracts by FleaPlus · · Score: 2, Informative

    The BBC article mentions a couple of articles in the current issue of Science. Here's the text from their research abstracts:

    Controlling Electromagnetic Fields
    J. B. Pendry, D. Schurig, D. R. Smith

    Using the freedom of design that metamaterials provide, we show how electromagnetic fields can be redirected at will and propose a design strategy. The conserved fields--electric displacement field D, magnetic induction field B, and Poynting vector S--are all displaced in a consistent manner. A simple illustration is given of the cloaking of a proscribed volume of space to exclude completely all electromagnetic fields. Our work has relevance to exotic lens design and to the cloaking of objects from electromagnetic fields.

    Optical Conformal Mapping
    Ulf Leonhardt

    An invisibility device should guide light around an object as if nothing were there, regardless of where the light comes from. Ideal invisibility devices are impossible due to the wave nature of light. This paper develops a general recipe for the design of media that create perfect invisibility within the accuracy of geometrical optics. The imperfections of invisibility can be made arbitrarily small to hide objects that are much larger than the wavelength. Using modern metamaterials, practical demonstrations of such devices may be possible. The method developed here can be also applied to escape detection by other electromagnetic waves or sound.


    Unfortunately, I don't seem to have access to the full papers.

  20. Re:Metamaterials by emurphy42 · · Score: 2, Informative
  21. useful for what? by phlegmofdiscontent · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Reading TFA, it strikes me as being similar to something posted on /. a month or two ago promising the same thing. TFA is light on details, but if I remember the previous article correctly and they're a similar principle (that's a lot of ifs), then this is only useful for objects about the size of the wavelength of light being used. In other words, objects smaller than 3cm for microwaves, objects about a meter for radio, and about 500 nanometers for visible. That being said, it's useless for military applications since most military vehicles are larger than 1 meter. It's also useless for people since you'd have to be about a thousand times smaller than the width of a human hair in order to hide.

  22. Re:Radar? by Hektor_Troy · · Score: 2, Funny
    [...] the return (on either end) would be weak sort of like a large bird
    So you're essentially looking for a bird doing just under mach one? No way that that'd make you pay attention ... not at all.
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  23. Re: My God! by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 2, Funny

    All they have to do is cover the planes with animated ads and most of us would never be able to see them!

    My eyes instinctively ignore them these days if the browser doesn't block them to begin with.

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  24. A cloaking device? by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'll believe it when I see it.

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  25. Re:Obligatory Star Trek reference by jpardey · · Score: 2, Funny

    Or a bag of flour.

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  26. Re:maths? by Mant · · Score: 2, Informative

    In American English it's Math, but in British English (as used by the BBC) it's Maths.

  27. Nano-engineering? by sanman2 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Various articles point out that the lensing structures bending the light have to be smaller than the light's wavelength. That means for visible light spectrum, which is around 400-700nm, your meta-material structures have to be molecular-sized. This is much smaller than what's required for radio or microwaves, which are centimeters to meters in length.

    So either you'll have to nano-engineer your cloaking shell from the molecular level, or else you'd have to find a way to convert the light that strikes it into a lower frequency (higher wavelength) that you can handle more easily. If you had some super-efficient down-converter/up-converter material coating the surface of your cloak, this might then enable you to bend the light without having to go all the way down to nanometer size for your meta-material lensing structures in the cloaking material itself.

    I can imagine the color green would be particularly useful to cloak against, because that would allow you to be invisible in front of vegetation/greenery.

  28. ah, no way this will "cloak" by Ancient_Hacker · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Dang laws of Physics! Getting in the way again.

    It's very unlikely this development will 'cloak" anything.

    Small matter of "index of refraction".

    You'll note the picture in the article shows light rays hitting the object "head-on". What happens to rays that hit at an angle? Even if they exit at the same angle, are they exiting along the same axis, or displaced? The article doesnt say.

    Also most substances have significant reflection at each air-substance boundary-- how will this device handle that issue?

    Nice try, but still quite a long way from making an object "invisible".

  29. Re:Useless for people, but not artillery by BraksDad · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How about artillery?

    All you need is the tip of a radio antenna to receive coordinates from a satelite. That antenna could even be a dragged wire that would be flush with the ground.

    The satelite itself might not be able to benefit from this technology... unless it was nuclear powered. Can't exactly hide those solar panels from light.

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