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Games Seized Following Murder

GamePolitics reports that M-rated games have been taken as evidence a case involving the death of a 55-year old man in Louisiana. The connection? Jack Thompson says: "Nobody shoots anybody in the face unless you're a hitman or a videogamer." GP goes on to point out the lunacy of this claim. From the site: "Funny, that. A quick Google search on 'shot in the face' turns up 921,000 entries."

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  1. Cue the Dick Cheney jokes by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 5, Funny

    in 3.. 2.. 1..

  2. Shot in the face by slashflood · · Score: 5, Funny

    There are clearly some unrelated results from Google search - if you turn off SafeSearch.

    1. Re:Shot in the face by ElleyKitten · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So murder is "safe" but we must be protected from cumshots?

      Yeah, it's hard to even feign surprise, but dammit, things are fucked up.

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    2. Re:Shot in the face by Anonymous+Custard · · Score: 4, Interesting

      /agree

      I think it's very sad that a violent game about killing police, stealing cars, and shooting pedestrians with shotguns only becomes M-rated if a male character can get intimate with a female character.

      Would you rather expose your kid to sexual themes, or murder themes?

    3. Re:Shot in the Face by soft_guy · · Score: 3, Funny

      Does that mean we can shoot Jack Thompson in the face?

      I hereby give you permission. Go for it.

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    4. Re:Shot in the face by shaitand · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Would you rather expose your kid to sexual themes, or murder themes?"

      Both? I find that exposing my child to both allows me to make sure that my child has a mature understanding of the matter. I have never understood parents who thought that censoring life from their children would somehow magically result in them being BETTER able to cope when they encounter the censored aspects of life.

      Life is life and kids will discover it, you can be upfront with it from the very beginning (sex is no more difficult for a children to cope with than any other bodily function at a very young age) or you can wait. Waiting presents a wonderful opportunity for thier 5 year old friends to share bad information and misunderstandings, parts or which may not be corrected for years. The older children are the less absolutely they trust their parents and the more they trust friends and other sources of information (the is especially true if parents have told them fairytales and censored their lives as young children). Those misunderstandings could even lead to deep set behavioral patterns since the primarily functions of the brain are still developing when the child learns this information.

      As for violence. Humans are violent creatures. Children will discover violence even if they never saw any outside input. It is only a matter of time before they commit violent acts of their own based on instinct alone. This is again another opportunity to expose them and explain the truth of the world to them. You can argue that children shouldn't have to worry about serial rape and murder. I would counter that neither should you and I. That doesn't change that these things are a fact of life and my child is going to wary of the man trying to coax him or her into a car while your child will be ignorant of the danger.

      Censoring what a child is exposed to is not doing that child a favor, it is promoting ignorance and false values.

  3. Google stats are meaningless by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So what if "shot in the face" turns up 900,000 hits (it only shows 13,000 hits in my browser). "Jews did 911" turns up almost 900,000 easily.

    The point of this is that you can't extrapolate something like a Google search into evidence. Police who have experience with crime probably have a somewhat better perspective on the hows and whys of crime than you Joe Searchbot does.

    1. Re:Google stats are meaningless by Indefinite,+Ephemera · · Score: 5, Informative

      In this case the claim is that there exists no person who shoots someone in the face and is not a hitman and is not a gamer - so what's required to debunk that claim is a counterexample (someone who shoots someone in the face and is neither a hitman nor a gamer), and only one is logically required; presumably the Google numbers are for rhetorical force. ('How can he have overlooked all these easily found counterexamples?')

      TFA's paragraph in full: 'Funny, that. A quick Google search on "shot in the face" turns up 921,000 entries. Here's a quick sample just from the past week. We see nary a video game or a hitman among them.'

    2. Re:Google stats are meaningless by Dmala · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The point of saying this is to highlight the absurdity of the comment. There have clearly been thousands of incidents where someone got shot in the face. Is it really plausible to believe that all of them involved a hitman or a videogamer?

    3. Re:Google stats are meaningless by Intron · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It could happen totally by accident. Here are two examples:

      "Oh man, I shot Marvin in the face." - Samuel L. Jackson in Pulp Fiction

      "It was one of the worst days of my life." - Dick Cheney on Fox

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    4. Re:Google stats are meaningless by identity0 · · Score: 4, Funny

      You, sir, are a genius for somehow linking Samuel L. Jackson, the most badass gangsta on film, and Dick Cheney, the palest, stiffest Vice-President of The United States ever - and having it be totally on-topic! And modded Insightful! I salute you, good sir.

      However, I should point out that it was, in fact, the John Travolta character who shot Marvin in the face. I will not even attempt to think about the implications of a John Travolta-Dick Cheney connection, which would be truely frightening.

      Now for a on-topic addition:

      "Oh sorry, didn't mean to shoot you in the face yet" - Ron Jeremy
      "Mr. Arafat? Hey, guess what I'm doing right now!" - Bill Clinton

  4. which is the vice president then? by Surt · · Score: 4, Funny

    Hitman, or gamer? Hitman might be pretty accurate, I guess.

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  5. Please. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    A real gamer wouldn't even be strong enough to lift the gun.

  6. 921,000 Results... by smbarbour · · Score: 4, Funny

    But how many are "gun-related"? I can think of a 3 letter word that would precede "shot" that would account for that number of hits.

    1. Re:921,000 Results... by commander_gallium · · Score: 5, Funny

      But how many are "gun-related"? I can think of a 3 letter word that would precede "shot" that would account for that number of hits.

      gun?

  7. Thompson is a Moron. by Vo0k · · Score: 5, Funny

    Every gamer and hitman knows you shoot in the BACK of the head!

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    1. Re:Thompson is a Moron. by MrSquirrel · · Score: 4, Funny

      Now now, violence is not the answer. Public humiliation is much more fun. I can't wait til his supporters realize what a whacko he is:
      "In 2006, two Michigan gamers began a project dubbed "Flowers for Jack", soliciting donations to deliver a massive floral arrangement to Thompson's office. The flowers were delivered in February along with a letter aimed at opening a dialogue between Thompson and the video gaming community. Thompson responded by forwarding the flowers to some of his industry foes, with such comments as "Discard them along with the decency you discarded long ago. I really don't care. Grind them up and smoke them if you like."
      In 1992 Thompson faced disbarment over allegations that he lied while making accusation against prominent Dade County lawyer Stuart Grossman. He'll do whatever he has to in order to accomplish his goals.
      The man is ignorant, uncooperative, and a lawyer... but he can still be broken -- if he became disbarred, lost his fandom, and studies were released proving that there is no link between videogames and violence... that would be a fate for him worse than death.
      P.S. If you do want to shoot him, don't add fuel to the fire -- get a hitman who's never played a videogame :) thank you

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    2. Re:Thompson is a Moron. by Billosaur · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The man is ignorant, uncooperative, and a lawyer... but he can still be broken -- if he became disbarred, lost his fandom, and studies were released proving that there is no link between videogames and violence... that would be a fate for him worse than death.

      No, if any of that happens, he will simply become a politician and run for Congress. He's a fanatic, and fanatics rarely back down, even when proved wrong. Look at all these Doomsday cults where the "leader" predicts the end of the world and miraculously, it never comes. Do their "followers" abandon them? No -- they believe the new tripe the leader makes up to explain why his prediction comes true. See? Same thing as politics...

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    3. Re:Thompson is a Moron. by Captain+Sarcastic · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There was an "Addams Family" episode - the old black-and-white TV series - where Uncle Fester, in his outrage at someone, grabs his gun and announces his solution: "I'll shoot him in the back!"

      In this episode, Morticia responds, "Now, now, Uncle Fester, you'll do no such thing."

      "In the side?" suggests Fester.

      "No," Morticia answers firmly. "We shall settle this issue through legal channels."

      Fester looks doubtful. "Shooting's safer," he points out.

      Sometimes I agree with Fester.

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  8. Hitmen? by Scrameustache · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Since when do hitmen execute people by shooting them in the face? Back of the head/neck is traditional.

    Jack don't know anything.

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  9. The proof this is false... by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 5, Funny

    A videogamer could never shoot someone in the face - there isn't a "crosshair" to aim with in real life....

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  10. Actually... by Vo0k · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Most hitmen avoid headshots. Very messy and often with a good chance of survival of the subject. Load the brain with 5 bullets and the victim may still live, despite losing the ability to speak spanish, tell apart apples from oranges and move left leg. They will likely enter a coma though, which looks very much like they are dead, and they will come to and start talking at the least convenient moment. Real hitmen avoid headshots (from close distance at least, sniping is a different thing) and definitely prefer going for the heart. Nobody survives a hole in the heart and placing the third bullet precisely in the heart from a short distance is quite easy once shock from the first two paralyses the victim.

    On the other hand, most games register heart shot as just another chest shot, scoring pretty low damage, while headshots, from any direction, including the face count as serious damage multiplier.

    That would narrow it down... ;)

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    1. Re:Actually... by RSquaredW · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Cue Lost, season 1:
      "I was aiming for his heart."
      "Well, you missed."

      The only thing I can think of the OP referring to is the phenomenon where the bullet skims the cranium underneath the skin, popping out the other side and giving the victim a hell of a headache. Tends to happen with low-powered rounds that literally richochet off the skull. It's a freakish enough occurance that I doubt you'd avoid shooting someone in the head.

      It is true, however, that self-defense courses do not teach to aim for the head; it's a small target, and you're not going for style points. I remember being asked, "When do you stop firing in a self defense situation?"

      The answer? "When the magazine is empty."

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    2. Re:Actually... by slashflood · · Score: 5, Funny

      Note to myself: never mark Vo0k as foe.

  11. Re:Cheney plays videogames? by rwven · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You just hit the nail on the head. If gamers shoot people in the face, why is it that there are hundreds of millions of gamers and only a handful of them have murdered someone...let alone by shooting them in the face.

  12. One Question... by Digital+Vomit · · Score: 3, Insightful

    One Question: when is Jack Thompson going to prison? His abuse of the legal system and profound negative influence on society has to end.

    The surest sign that the litigation indust--, er, justice system in the US is broken is that this guy hasn't been disbarred yet.

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  13. Shot in the Face by drewzhrodague · · Score: 4, Funny

    Agreed. Does that mean we can shoot Jack Thompson in the face? Maybe this is his way of expressing his need for this. Any takers?

    I can imagine a mob of gamers swarming this guy, all shooting him in the face with those Nintendo light guns.

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  14. "The best weapon is a sharp mind" by Mr.+Samuel · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Jack Thompson is an absurd excuse for a lawyer. The entire gamer Internet community should be well aware of this by now. His actual motivations for his war on video games probably go no further than a quest for power and publicity. Unless, of course, he's actually out of touch with reality to the extent of believing what he says.

    So what's our best defense against him? Frankly, I think the last thing Jack Thompson would want is to be ignored. He probably likes the animosity he's building with the gaming community, and he'll like making headlines many times more. Let's just ignore the fellow, and at some point he may start campaigning against diet sodas or the ulterior motives of figure skaters ("Nobody wears blades that sharp...unless they want to kill.").

    1. Re:"The best weapon is a sharp mind" by Red+Flayer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Let's just ignore the fellow, and at some point he may start campaigning against diet sodas or the ulterior motives of figure skaters"

      I'm sure he likes the animosity somewhat. But gamers are not who Jack is targeting for action -- he is targeting non-gamers to get them to pass laws we (in general) do not like.

      If *everyone* would ignore him, he'd no longer be a pest. But the major problem is that there are plenty of people who either agree with his opinions, or too apathetic to disagree with him. So, if you want Jack gone, you've got to play his game and beat him at it -- make sure Joe Sixpack understands that games don't kill people, irresponsible parents and unstable kids and easy access to guns and a ton of other factors (and sometimes just accidents!) kill people.

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  15. Logic 101 by Anti_Climax · · Score: 3, Interesting
    "Nobody shoots anybody in the face unless you're a hitman or a videogamer."
    Ok Class, I'd like you to open your Logical Arguments texts to the chapter of fallacies and begin reading from the heading False Choice
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  16. Re:Why is that Jack by moe.ron · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This just in: While searching a murder suspects home police have come across various boxes containing data discs. These boxes are covered with violent imagery and words like "Hitman, Grand Theft Auto, and True Crime". While authorities have declined to comment on any connection, we here at the Associated Press feel that without the help of one Jack Thompson, the police officers would have completely overlooked such obscure and truly puzzling pieces of evidence and would have never drawn any connection between them and the suspects alleged violent behavior.

    Also from TFA: "I think (the murder) goes beyond video games, but who's to say?," Dilworth commented, adding that the question of whether video games lead to youth violence might be "more of a debate for the living room rather than the courtroom."

    Doesn't sound like the local police are too amused with Jack Thompson's "theories". Once again, this isn't news because the games that were siezed will play no role in the murder trial. The cops are like, "Yea we found M-rated video games, who cares? The kid confessed."

    Jack Thompson is a crackpot and the only reason he gets any attention at all is because people see his name in an article and suddenly its a top story.

  17. Trends by giminy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Google trends shows that there is no correlation between video games and being shot in the face. I rest my case.

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  18. Re:Cheney plays videogames? by 88NoSoup4U88 · · Score: 4, Funny
    You just hit the nail on the head. If gamers shoot people in the face, why is it that there are hundreds of millions of gamers and only a handful of them have murdered someone...

    The stats are very much skewed: Stealth games like Metal Gear Solid are getting very popular, so they clearly still go on random murdering sprees; they just got -alot- better at disposing of the bodies/evidence. :D

    Off topic; The [p] -tag now just acts like putting in a linebreak [br] : Weird stuff.

  19. Re:Jack Thompson is a useless twit. by Aladrin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The problem is that if we (as gamers and other computer users) ignore him, he'll manage to convince people that he is right and we won't be there to provide the counterbalance.

    We can't afford to ignore him, but we CAN afford to make as much fun of him as possible and make sure EVERYONE knows just exactly how preposterous everything he says is. This means everything from simple 'gamers have a tendency to copy their games' to 'gamers are evil, disgusting creatures that would as soon shoot you in the face as look at you' and everything in-between. His tamest-sounding speech is poison to the minds of anyone involved with law. Every single thing that he gets someone to believe is a blow to the freedom of gamers around the USA. (Luckily, he hasn't spread world-wide yet.)

    We cannot afford to be lax because the only 'experts' in this field are us. If we ignore him, he gets to run rampant.

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  20. more logic by matt328 · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Nobody shoots anybody in the face unless you're a hitman or a videogamer."

    And no one utters anything that fucking stupid unless they're pushing an agenda, or a lawyer, or both.

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  21. Face-shooting aside... by Hervard · · Score: 5, Funny

    Jack Thompson shoots himself in the foot all the time.

  22. 921,000 hits? Holy crap. by OmgTEHMATRICKS · · Score: 5, Funny

    The better question is: How did the murderer lug around 921,000 rounds of ammuniition without being noticed?