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Record Meteorite Hits Norway

equex256 writes "Early Wednesday morning, a meteorite streaked across the sky in northern Norway, near Finland and Russia. A witness (Article in Norwegian) went up the mountain to where it hit and reported seeing large boulders that had fallen out of the mountainside, along with many broken trees. Norwegian astronomer Knut Jørgen Røed Ødegaard told Aftenposten, Norway's largest newspaper, that he would compare the explosive force of the impact with the Hiroshima bomb. This meteorite is suspected to be much larger than the 90-kilo (198-pound) meteorite which hit Alta in 1904, previously recognized as the largest to hit Norway. From the article: 'Røed Ødegaard said the meteorite was visible to an area of several hundred kilometers despite the brightness of the midnight sunlit summer sky. The meteorite hit a mountainside in Reisadalen in North Troms.'"

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  1. Lucifer's tack hammer. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 4, Funny

    (See Niven and Pournelle for consequences of a larger one.)

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  2. Giant Røck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Do meteørites sound different with a slash through the middle?

    1. Re:Giant Røck by m0ns00n · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Hehe, I'm norwegian, but to mee, that sounds really funny!!! =) In norwegian it's "meteoritt" :-) Bøtt ank ju, veldig gudd! :-)

    2. Re:Giant Røck by wildsurf · · Score: 3, Funny

      A Meteør once bit my sister... Mind you, Meteør bites Kan be pretty nasti.

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    3. Re:Giant Røck by SamSim · · Score: 3, Funny

      The people responsible for the parent post have been sacked.

    4. Re:Giant Røck by Man+Eating+Duck · · Score: 4, Informative

      I'm Norwegian.

      The vowel ø in Norwegian is pronounced like the vowel sound in "sun".

      Have føn :)

      BTW, the astronomer mentioned (Knut Jørgen Røed Ødegaard, try it :) is something of an astronomer celebrity here. The press will always go to him when there are spectacular events, like this, or eclipses. He's done a great job to make astronomy accessible and fun to less technically inclined people, both by giving public lectures on fascinating subjects, and by writing a couple of books on "popularized astronomy".

      Cheers

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  3. Obligatory Meteor Video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yeah its probably fake, but cool nonetheless:
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4653448813 733199771&q=meteor

    And for all you language nazis out there, meteorite is a silly word and should be abolished.

    1. Re:Obligatory Meteor Video by ACDChook · · Score: 5, Informative
      And for all you language nazis out there, meteorite is a silly word and should be abolished.

      I think you'll find that by definition, an object is a meteor while it falls through the atmosphere, and the rock that hits the ground is a meteorite. If it burns up in the atmosphere, then there is no meteorite, just a short-lived meteor.

    2. Re:Obligatory Meteor Video by morcego · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually, you are right:

      Metoroid -> Atmosphere -> Meteor -> Ground -> Meteorite

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  4. Hiroshima? by Durrok · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I guess but if I recall correctly hiroshima did a little bit more then just "blow in some curtains". Even if accurate this is a pretty bad metaphor, the Hiroshima bomb brings on ideas of destruction and chaos. Even if you took the radiation aspect away from the Hiroshima bomb it still would have done far more damage. Guess the whole line of "location, location, location" really is true.

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    1. Re:Hiroshima? by iamlucky13 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Of course the meteor would not have had any noteworthy radioactivity and was not in a populated area. I don't remember exactly how often it's estimated to happen and I can't find any sources, but meteors of this size hit the earth a lot more often than most people realize...something like between once a year and once a decade. The comparison to Hiroshima really is about the energy of the impact, not the destructiveness. Little boy had a yield equivalent to approximately 15,000 tons of TNT.

    2. Re:Hiroshima? by Silverlancer · · Score: 4, Informative

      The curtains were something like 150km away from the meteor impact... I expect Hiroshima would have done similar at that range.

    3. Re:Hiroshima? by Nutria · · Score: 4, Informative

      I guess but if I recall correctly hiroshima did a little bit more then just "blow in some curtains".

      If Little Boy was detonated in the far northern mountains of Norway, it also would have had similar minimal effect.

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    4. Re:Hiroshima? by NewmanBlur · · Score: 4, Informative

      I've been to Hiroshima. The atomic bomb killed 140,000 people, if you include those who died of bomb-related injuries and illnesses, within (iirc) a year after the attack. If you increase that to five years, the number increases by many thousands, though I don't recall the exact number.

      The bomb levelled literally the entire city -- only one building remained, now referred to as the Genbaku Dome . It's still standing, but it has been re-inforced with a steel structure to retain the shape it was in after the war.

      Anyway, the point is that even if this meteor was "substantially bigger" than the 200-pound record holder, I find it extremely hard to believe that it would do even a miniscule fraction of the what the A-bomb did.

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    5. Re:Hiroshima? by Schemat1c · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Anyway, the point is that even if this meteor was "substantially bigger" than the 200-pound record holder, I find it extremely hard to believe that it would do even a miniscule fraction of the what the A-bomb did.

      It probably wouldn't be so hard to believe if it hit downtown Manhattan.

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    6. Re:Hiroshima? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      If Little Boy was detonated in the far northern mountains of Norway, it also would have had similar minimal effect.

      I don't know. I think that might have had a significant effect on American-Norwegian relations, even if Norway was Nazi-occupied at the time. :)

    7. Re:Hiroshima? by gameforge · · Score: 3, Informative
      I've been to Hiroshima.
      Then you know how densely populated it is...

      ...even if this meteor was "substantially bigger" than the 200-pound record holder, I find it extremely hard to believe that it would do even a miniscule fraction of the what the A-bomb did.

      In 1980, Mt. St. Helens caused the largest landslide in history... then proceeded to level everything within many miles. Trees brushed over like toothpicks... valleys buried to hundreds of feet in ejecta and ash... it blew the entire north slope of the mountain away.

      It had the force of 27,000 atomic bombs like the one dropped on Hiroshima (source). It managed to kill all of 57 people.

      Please note that energy != destruction. If this meteorite crashed into Hiroshima, depending on the circumstances, the energy released on impact could have the potential to level the entire city and kill over 100,000 people.

      And if Mt. St. helens was located in the right spot in Japan, it could have taken out FAR more than this (think millions).
  5. Hmmm... by th1ckasabr1ck · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Was it as big as the one that (supposedly) fell at Tunguska? Although I'm still pretty sure that was caused by dark matter or a UFO or something.

  6. Yeah, but... by tool462 · · Score: 4, Funny
    he would compare the explosive force of the impact with the Hiroshima bomb.
    Yeah, but how many Libraries of Congress is that?
  7. Meanwhile in Cupertino... by daeley · · Score: 5, Funny

    Steve Jobs's giant wallscreen sparkles to life. A visibly pale and shaken Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg appears with a panicked situation room full of Norwegian officials behind him.

    "Ah, Prime Minister, good," Jobs says with a trademarked smile. "I see you got our little message. Let's finish our chat about DRM regulations...."

    (reference)

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  8. A Meteørite ønce hit my sister by EGSonikku · · Score: 4, Funny

    Nø really! She was carving her initials intø the side øf a røck with a sharpened interspace tøøthbrush given tø her by Svenge -her brøther in law- an an øslø dentist and star øf many Nørweigan møvies: "The Høt Hands øf an øslø Dentist", "Fillings øf Passiøn", "The Huge Mølars øf Hørst Nørdfink"...

    Mynd you, Meteørite hits kan be pretti nasti .....

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  9. Pictures by ATH500 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Here is the website of the newspaper and pictures of the meteorite in the sky and the impact: http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/iriks/article134 6820.ece

  10. Good, but... by nstlgc · · Score: 3, Funny

    .. what we're really concerned about: Høw many møøses gøt killed?

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  11. Oblig. Impact Calculator by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Whenever the topic of meteors comes up, someone has to post a link to the University of Arizona impact effects calculator. Play with the numbers, see if you can destroy the earth.

    Also worth checking out along the Lucifer's hammer line of thought is How to Destroy the Earth

    I tried a quick reverse engineering of the meteor with the calculator. An iron meteor 4.5 meters in diameter moving 20 km/s hitting crystalline rock at 45 degrees will have a yield of 18 kilotons...slightly higher than the atomic bomb detonated over Hiroshima. The average interval of an impact of this size on earth is about once every 5 years. Most go largely unnoticed. The earth is a big place.

  12. Re:Is this real? by 49152 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Yes, it's real. The impact also showed up on seismic recorders http://www.astro.uio.no/ita/nyheter/ildkule06/ildk ule06.html (You can study the images in this Norwegian article from the University of Oslo).

  13. paging Google Earth... by TheSHAD0W · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I wonder (1) how recent and what resolution Google Earth's latest imagery is, and (2) can we get them to take another shot ASAP and compare them?

  14. It's how you distribute the energy. by DigiShaman · · Score: 5, Informative

    There is a difference in how the energy was distributed. With the A-Bomb, it was an atmospheric blast. With the space rock, the energy was absorbed into the Earths crust.

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    1. Re:It's how you distribute the energy. by Deadstick · · Score: 4, Informative

      Should be modded up. An airburst sends down a mongo shock wave that flattens structures over a big area (not to mention the radiation that isn't a factor in the case of a meteor impact). A ground impact/explosion "over-destroys" a much smaller area, using its energy to excavate a crater instead of knocking buildings down.

      The Tunguska event of 1908 devastated a really big area because it was an airburst: apparently a comet whose ice content flashed into steam when it hit the atmosphere.

      rj

  15. Re:Hmmm... by LaminatorX · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Actually, I saw a paper presented back in the late 90's that fairly convincingly made the case for a mostly iron meteor. The author's contention was that the object slowed due to air resistance, it would heat up. As is heated, the metal would have softenned. As it softenned, the metal would start to pancake like a dum-dum bullet. As it pancakes, its air resistance increases, causing it to slow down even more and heat up even faster, causing it to pancake even more... until you get an airbirst at an altitude with on the order of magnitude suggested by the tree angles at Tunguska. If you acept his hypothesis about the meteor's composition, there were no major contradictions in the evidence.

  16. Re:Hmmm... by Dare+nMc · · Score: 3, Interesting

    > The tabloids probably wouldn't pay enough
    maybe the tabloids wouldn't, but meteroites are worth more per pound than gold.
    if you could recover a couple pounds of those 98 pounds you'll be buying any car you wanted.

  17. Re:The Hit by Ironsides · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Im just happy that it didnt hit anywhere else. Like New York, or any other big city.

    I almost (alomst!) wish it landed near enough one to cause some decent damage. Then maybe people would take the threat of a planet killer serious enough to get a properly funded space program going so a some of us could get off planet (like me). AD ASTRA!

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  18. 8.5 x 10^-2 bLoC by TCQuad · · Score: 3, Funny

    Yeah, but how many Libraries of Congress is that?

    Well, Hiroshima was 15 kilotons or 6.3x10^13 J and one burning Library of Congress is 7.3×10^14 J, so ~8.5% of one LoC per meteor strike.

    Yeah, I'm going to go pretend I didn't just spend part of my Friday night researching that calculation now...

    1. Re:8.5 x 10^-2 bLoC by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 4, Funny

      Meteor sizes are measured in the "Texa".

      Damn it, when are you Americans going to start using internationally recognised units?!?

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  19. This happens other places also by SpacePunk · · Score: 3, Interesting

    We had one of these a few weeks ago in south east New Mexico. The explosion shook the house. People that did see it said it was the 'size of a dinner plate' before it exploded. Unfortunately nobody had a camera handy. Didn't get much media coverage at all.

  20. Re:Brightness ... by OblongPlatypus · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What sounds so strange about it?

    If you mean linguistically, I guess I can see what you mean - I think they're trying to use "midnight sun" as a single noun, making "midnight sunlit" an adjective.

    But yes, the sky really is sunlit 24/7 up there right now.

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  21. Quote : "Enorm fart." by kernel+panic+attack · · Score: 3, Informative

    Followed through to the link mentioned earlier: http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/iriks/article134 6820.ece

    From that article, this one line jumped out at me: "Enorm fart."

    Now granted, I don't speak the native tongue up there in Norway, but I think we all can translate that.

    Also found this sesmic data on the web: http://www.norsar.no/NDC/bulletins/gbf/2006/GBF061 57.html

      NORTH OF SVALBARD
                Origin time Lat Lon Azres Timres Wres Nphase Ntot Nsta Netmag
        2006-157:02.13.21.0 83.81 2.84 5.25 0.18 1.49 2 2 1 0.04

        Sta Dist Az Ph Time Tres Azim Ares Vel Snr Amp Freq Fkq Pol Arid Mag
        SPI 668.3 346.0 Pn 02.14.50.4 0.2 349.0 3.0 10.1 5.2 50.5 4.93 1 345124
        SPI 668.3 346.0 Sn 02.15.55.8 0.2 338.5 -7.5 5.8 4.1 34.0 8.43 3 2 345125 0.04

  22. Very small meteorite hit my back yard... by Hamster+Lover · · Score: 3, Interesting

    When I seven I was in our very large backyard swinging on our swingset with my friends one summer when we saw this streak of light high in the sky. It was only visible for a few seconds, but as we watched the streak grew brighter until it streaked over the roof of our house. About twenty or thirty feet above the ground it seemed to disintigrate with a popping sound. We searched the backyard for debris but didn't find anything. The meteorite was so small that I am not surprised, but it sure was bright for something so small. That was very cool. Even our neighbor on the hill above us came running down and said he saw the meteorite and wondered if it hit our house.

    Years later as a teenager I was sleeping out on our deck to avoid the summer heat inside the house and I was woken by this shrieking sound, like fireworks, except much louder. I jumped up and saw a very bright, long streak of light screaching across the sky over the lake our house overlooked. As the meteor approached the ground the screaching got louder and higher in pitch until it seemed to "pop" into nothingness. Besides the incredibly high pitched shriek, I was awed by how bright the meteor was as it lit up our deck like a very bright lantern.

    Obviously, both these meteorites do not compare in size to the one that hit Norway, but it was still an awe inspiring sight.

  23. Insurance myths by freeweed · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Most insurance policies don't cover "acts of God" or even "natural disasters" of this type.

    Why do people still think we live in the 19th century?

    Insurance policies today typically cover most Acts of God. Hail, lightning, windstorm, water damage, you name it. What they don't cover is "catastrophes so big we'd need a few billion to even start paying claims".

    Hell, you can actually buy earthquake, tornado, and hurricane insurance, if you're willing to pay for it. However, your $400/year policy doesn't quite amoritize out to the 1 in 50 year chance of your part of the gulf coast being destroyed.

    For the record (and to stay on topic): impact by falling object is generally covered. Some go far enough to ensure you for falling aircraft (creepy), and possibly falling spacecraft (satellites is the idea, but who knows what will happen this July).

    And yes, I used to sell property insurance :)

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  24. Wish they made it easier to do rev. calcs by jd · · Score: 4, Informative
    I reversed the calculation to guess at how big the rock was that created the crater in Antarctica that was recently discovered, which is 300 miles across. I assumed that the asteroid had a fairly low density (porus rock). Assuming the object is travelling "slowly" (11 km/s), it would need to be 60 miles across to create a final crater of the necessary size. Even at 300 miles away (the edge of the crater), wind speeds would hit 8200 mph and the earth tremors would still be 11.3 on the Richter scale. A "typical" asteroid strike would be 17 km/s. To create the necessary crater, you'd be looking at a lump of rock 45 miles across. Most of the effects would be the same, except there would be a gigantic fireball. Again, at the crater's rim, you'd be looking at 8.53 x 10^10 joules/m^2 of energy for about 9110 seconds - enough to vaporize anything remotely close to the impact.


    Assuming typical velocity, an iron asteroid would be a mere 22 miles across. The radiation would only be two-thirds that of the porus asteroid at the same speed.


    If this was indeed the impact crater that triggered the initial phase of the Great Extinction, then the low density/high energy strike would produce vastly more heat and therefore affect the climate that much more.

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  25. Re:Now for the science! by RsG · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Perhaps you're mistaking entry mass for landing mass?

    A meteorite's surface vapourizes from reentry heat when it enters the atmosphere. If the meteorite is small enough, the entire object will be plasma long before it hits the ground; it takes a large or dense object to survive reentry, and even then much of it's mass is lost.

    That doesn't however mean that it disperses. There is at least one theory that a meteorite could hit the ground as a ball of plasma with a solid core, due to the surrounding air pressure preventing the superheated surface from dispersing even after it vapourizes. I seem to recall seeing this put forward for the Tunguska blast in Siberia. IANA Astrophysicist, so I don't know how fast the object would need to be moving, or how large it would have to be initially, to produce this effect.

    If that did happen, what would you use for your calculations? The mass of the meteorite wouldn't all be solid when it hit, and whatever material wasn't vapourized by descent or on impact would only make up a fraction of the mass present during the impact. The core might be 90kg, or 300kg, or whatever, but using that figure to calculated the speed the object on impact would be incorrect. You'd need to mass of the meteorite on reentry, minus whatever mass bled off during descent.

    However, I would agree that comparing the impact to an atomic bomb blast is silly. It's like comparing a firecracker explosion to a bullet impact - yes, you can say that one has X amount of energy and the other has Y (and you could probably calculate this by measuring the gunpowder present in each, and determining how much energy you get from burning it), but that comparison doesn't actually tell you anything useful, since the energy is applied in a very different fashion. It's comparing apples to oranges.

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  26. The Witness by Frightening · · Score: 3, Funny

    After climbing a little higher, he found a large, glowing piece of rock. He walked around it, astonished, and from one angle you could see an unmistakable engraving on the side.

    LEAVE THE PIRATES ALONE