Slashdot Mirror


Legal Actions of School Against a Proxy's Host?

WakefieldHS-students asks: "I attend a public school, Wakefield High School in Raleigh, North Carolina. A friend of mine recently created a site that hosted a web proxy browser. It ran for a few months, and others at our school found out about it. The original domain was blocked by the censorship software the school uses, and it was changed a few times to get around this. Recently, he was forced to take down the proxy, with the threat of not graduating and the taking of legal action by the school. What legal rights, if any, can the school use to ban someone from hosting a website? Furthermore, what rights does the U.S. Government have to censor such websites?"

37 of 200 comments (clear)

  1. Ok, now tell us the rest of it by Pyromage · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm relatively certain that the school wasn't just arbitrarily chasing the site across every domain he owned, not unless they had reason. Why was he running a proxy? What material was he or his friends accessing from the school?

    As far as legal rights to censor that, they can do just about whatever they want in loco parentis.

    1. Re:Ok, now tell us the rest of it by Cyphertube · · Score: 4, Informative

      Of course, since the operation of proxy server is not done under school property and doesn't have anything to do with the care of the student, the argument for it being in loco parentis doesn't really hold water.

      Of particular note, if he's near graduating, he may well be 18 already, at which point in loco parentis no longer applies. By threatening his academic situation, a publically mandated and required function of the school, by regarding his own actions off school time, then they could actually be sued on grounds of harrassment.

      Now, they could pursue action against him for access the proxy from the school, but not against him for others.

      Moreover, since I was nailed under in loco parentis when I was in middle school, I can tell you that loco parentis ceases the instant you enter your front door, if you ride the bus home from school. I got nailed for verbally assaulting the bus driver (who later was nailed for felony hit and runs against mailboxes, thus disproving the slander and defamation charges they 'threatened' me with). As I was told, if I'd entered my house, come back out, and then yelled at her, it would have been out of the school's hands.

      --
      Linux - because it doesn't leave that Steve Ballmer aftertaste.
    2. Re:Ok, now tell us the rest of it by Otter · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In my IANAL-And-He's-Not-Telling-Us-The-Whole-Story opinion:

      1) The kid and his friends were repeatedly and systematically violating school rules, and can certainly be punished.

      2) The precise ultimatum that the school gave him is probably not within the school's power to make.

      3) The question is how much effort and money he's willing to expend in court on a grey area case, when the school would be perfectly within bounds to give him a clearly legal and much more serious punishment.

      4) I don't get what the US government's role in this is supposed to be.

    3. Re:Ok, now tell us the rest of it by techfury90 · · Score: 5, Informative

      I go to WHS, so I know about this story. Basically he was running a proxy to allow people to visit banned sites such as MySpace from there, which was its typical use. Every time someone was in the computer lab, you'd see MySpace up via this website.

      --
      I'm friends with the youngest daughter of the former head of the PowerPC division of IBM you insensitive clod!
    4. Re:Ok, now tell us the rest of it by techfury90 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Also if anyone wants to take this up with the administration, email the principal at stakacs@, call at +1 (919) 562-3600; ask for Mr. Takacs, or if you _really_ want to cause an impact, try +1 (919) 851-3980.

      --
      I'm friends with the youngest daughter of the former head of the PowerPC division of IBM you insensitive clod!
    5. Re:Ok, now tell us the rest of it by Cyphertube · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Unless the proxy was specifically directed to be used by the network, the school in all honesty could not take action against him with regard to the proxy server. They could go after him for connecting to it, but simply changing the name, location, address, etc. of his system, without modifying the school's system, would render him as immune as any of the other proxy services out there.

      Frankly, most attempts to bypass proxies I've seen, having working in both academic and corporate setting, is the attempt to use chat services that are otherwise blocked.

      Providing access to disrupting material on the Internet that requires the students to log on and go find it is no more punishable that if the bookstore down the street sells a copy of the Anarchist's Cookbook.

      Yes, at 18 you have adult punishment. But you also have to meet the criteria of the law in order to use them.

      Lastly, for the hypothetical girl being raped because of MySpace contact... Criminally, neither party would be liable (only the rapist). As far as a civil tort goes, yes, they could possibly pursue a case, but since the access to the Internet was provided by the school, they would be majority responsible. It is not in the school's power or jursidiction, however, to determine the liability that the student wants to open himself to.

      --
      Linux - because it doesn't leave that Steve Ballmer aftertaste.
    6. Re:Ok, now tell us the rest of it by martinultima · · Score: 5, Interesting

      This actually sounds just like my school district vs. me. This (last) year I had to do a personal project for the IB program, which in my case happened to be maintaining a Linux distribution. And I figured that since I was in the computer lab as a student helper one of the class periods, I'd just borrow one of their machines and create an SSH tunnel to get to my machine at home, then use x0vncserver to forward the desktop so I could tweak stuff and come back right where I left off. [Not the most efficient way, I know...]

      Anyway, long story short, they don't really notice until I start checking things on my homepage as well; nothing bad or anything, and not even personal stuff, just the Linux-related parts of it that I'd need for the project. So they block it. So I e-mail them, politely asking to unblock it – and just to be sure, I check their censorware program's homepage, and since they've also got it blocked, I e-mail them.

      Couple days later, no response from my own school district – but the censorware people were more than happy to unblock my site.

      Few months later, the district people call a bunch of parent-teacher conferences about the whole thing, saying that I was bypassing their proxy server and "compromising system security" – the ironic part was, I was actually safer doing an SSH tunnel, because it was one-way only and the only machine that would be affected by the fatal typo of doom or whatever would be my own at home. But either way, they don't get their way, so a few days later they actually send their people down to personally yell at me. (Talk about wasting taxpayer dollars – these people apparently have enough free time that they can just drop everything else to come yell at a single student in a school of over 1500. And this is a fairly big school district, so there's other schools, too – but no, they have more of a threat coming from some kid using an SSH tunnel than from all the other would-be hackers visiting porn sites, installing spyware, and posting to MySpace.com. I still don't understand their logic...)

      But, either way, those school district people, even if their intentions are good – you just have to watch out for those guys. They're kind of like the BOFH, really, only they use expulsion and no graduation rather than killing people – they consider it their job to keep the network running smoothly, and if it means kicking people off and expelling them / denying graduation / etc., they'll do it – because they only need to worry about the network, not the people.

      Just a tip from someone who'd know...

      --
      Creative misinterpretation is your friend.
    7. Re:Ok, now tell us the rest of it by Otter · · Score: 2, Insightful
      They're kind of like the BOFH, really, only they use expulsion and no graduation rather than killing people - they consider it their job to keep the network running smoothly, and if it means kicking people off and expelling them / denying graduation / etc., they'll do it - because they only need to worry about the network, not the people.

      Err, yeah... Two things:

      1) If I may gently offer some advice -- being smarter than other people doesn't mean you always have to get your way. I get your technical point, but it's their network, not yours. Honestly, you'd be wise to learn that lesson now before you have to learn it with much more serious consequences in the future.

      2) You seem to have had good intentions, if rather poor judgment. The intentions of the guy in the original question are left unclear, and I'm inclined to assume poorly about them.

    8. Re:Ok, now tell us the rest of it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I can sympathise with your position because I have been in one which, at least to me, seemed similar.

      I tend to be a pretty forgetful person, and I do all my work on computer, often so I don't lose anything. I had to email all my home work from home to school and then vice versa each day. However, on a few occasions, I forgot work even though I'd done it, which was rather frustrating. Rather than keep the teacher waiting who wanted to collect all the work in and get the marking done over the weekend, at lunch time I connected to my computer (which was running remote access software, RemotelyAnywhere) through HTTPS and used the screenshot-based remote control (eg. it shows a screenshot of the desktop, and using javascript allows you to interact with it) to email it to my school account, which the teacher was greatful for. I then logged out. I did this on a number of occasions when I'd forgotten important work and sent it to school. My teachers were also aware that I was doing this, and to me, it seemed like a logical thing for a person with a bad memory like me to do, and I didn't think any harm would come of it, because it didn't strike me as breaking any rules.

      The school provides internet for work purposes, and as far as I was concerned, this was just what I was doing. However, near the end of term, I was taken out of my lessons and called to talk to the network administrator, who had apparently found a visual basic screensaver of mine which I had made years ago (as part of a programming club at lunchtime, no less) because they were doing a check for screensavers, and me having it raised their suspicion. Wen they looked into my file, their security software logs web accesses and takes screenshots of activity and they found out I had been emailling work to school from home.

      They then proceeded to tell me off for hacking and that I was breaking the law. To me, I couldn't believe it. Apparently because I was accessing something outside the school (which to me, was no different than any other website) and was knowledgable about computers (they asked if I knew how to use the commandline, when I said they did, they told me off for this, saying I could use it to find out peoples IP addreses???). I was therefore a security threat.

      They were considering expelling me or banning me from the computers because of this, and I couldn't believe it. They then proceeded to tell me about the computer misuse act (This was in the UK) and how I was a hacker? I tried to explain to them, but they would not listen. Apparently the words "remote access" and the fact I knew how to use it was enough to say I was a hacker and thus was breaking school rules. I wasn't even exactly sure of what they were saying I had done wrong. Eventually my head of year stuck up for me, and I went unpunished, but the experience was rather depressing and almost unbelievable. I was also told never to access another computer again.

      The fact that the majority of the students bring in games, spend lessons playing various games, surf illegal websites, steal teachers passwords and use them, bring in spyware and viruses and attempt to "hack" the network with various tools, are allowed to do so, and teachers turn a blind eye to it. Even the person that stole the administrator password to the entire school, gave it out to the majority of students and used it to access classified files was given less of a warning than I. I was no threat to them, I wasn't do anything to harm the network, or anything against the school rules themselves, and that was what I received. Yet others which consistently do so are allowed to.

      As the poster above said, I don't understand their logic either. They said they were in a grounds to charge me under the law under the computer misuse act, but as far as I was aware, I wasn't accessing anything that was unauthorised. At one point, they used the details from their keylogger to attempt to log into my system (which was recorded on my computer, and still saved) - Surely they were the ones gaining unauthorised ac

    9. Re:Ok, now tell us the rest of it by grahamm · · Score: 2, Informative

      As you were accessing your own computer, the Computer Misuse Act does not apply. If they had insisted that it did, then all you would have to do is give yourself written permission to remotely access your own computer.

  2. Private versus Public by MBCook · · Score: 3, Interesting
    A private school can do that kind of thing. That's why I like them better (among MANY other reasons). That's the way things are.

    But, you said it's a public school. I don't see why a public school can do that. And I'd be willing to wager a large amount of cash he didn't have to sign a "I will not host a web proxy server" document when he started to attend the school.

    So what does he do?

    Sue

    That's all that works these days. If the school administration is going to be like that (note: I'm assuming he just set it up for personal use or something and isn't encouraging other students to use it to break school policy) then they obviously aren't willing to deal with him on this. In such situations (especially with a government institution like a school) a strongly worded nasty-gram from a lawyer will make a world of difference. Indicate you are willing to reach a compromise or something (that you're not just a "Free speech at all costs sue the school for $100,000,000" nut-job and are willing to be reasonable) and I'm sure something will get worked out quickly.

    When faced with a lawsuit, most of the time in the US the person being threatened with the suit will just cave or try to work it out fast, even if they are right (which, in this case, is easily debatable).

    --
    Comment forecast: Bits of genius surrounded by a sea of mediocrity.
    1. Re:Private versus Public by ceejayoz · · Score: 3, Informative

      And I'd be willing to wager a large amount of cash he didn't have to sign a "I will not host a web proxy server" document when he started to attend the school.

      My public school required the signing of an Internet use contract before getting an account on the network. The bit about not doing anything to evade the school's blocking software would certainly apply in this case, and I would be very surprised to hear of a public school that didn't require a similar contract with their students.

    2. Re:Private versus Public by MaverickUW · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, but he and/or his parents probably had to sign a computer/internet acceptable use policy for the school. If nothing else, they can get the guy, and by proxy (pun intended) every other student who accessed sites with it. Depending on what the punishment is for violating the schools acceptable use policy, this could work. The fact that he is specifically setting something up to allow for the illegal circumvention of the policy is where they might have a case.

      Think of it like any threat to a school. Sure, it's done out of school time, doesn't mean the police/school won't do anything about it. They should just give everyone caught using it a warning, and then start doing whatever the punishments are in their AUP.

    3. Re:Private versus Public by jrockway · · Score: 3, Insightful

      > it's probably not worth the effort

      It's definitely worth the effort. My school (not exactly private; IMSA) kicked out a number of students for supposed thought crimes. Writing a song about a teacher they didn't like; posting "racist" comments on a private message board from home; etc. I wish someone had the balls to sue them -- I'm sure they would have lost big time.

      Just beacuse you're under 18 doesn't mean you deserve to be considered too dumb / young to have a voice. "First they came for those under 18, then they came for "the terrorists", now they're here for me and nobody is left to speak out." Don't put up with them.

      OTOH, if the OP did something stupid, then they might have a case. Not telling us the details just hurts you in the end.

      --
      My other car is first.
    4. Re:Private versus Public by mrchaotica · · Score: 2, Interesting
      note: I'm assuming he just set it up for personal use or something and isn't encouraging other students to use it to break school policy

      So what if he is? The school system still doesn't have the right to punish him for it, because it's still the other students who are breaking the rules by accessing it, not him! He has the Right to Free Speech regardless of the power the school system fascists think they've given themselves, and has done nothing wrong!

      --

      "[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz

  3. It's not really the website by Joe+U · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's not really the website, it's that you're using a tool to circumvent their filters.

    IANAL, but I don't think they have any legal recourse for shutting down the site, but they can go after you for bypassing the filters.

    Now, if all you're doing is mirroring content, then that's another story. It depends on the content.

  4. It's not a web site by scdeimos · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There's a whopping huge difference between hosting a web site and hosting a proxy server. To me it sounds like the student hosting the proxy server was doing this to circumvent the school's access controls, so it's a precedent for intent, irrelevent of it being malicious or beneign.

    If the school's network admins had half a brain then all access beyond the border routers would have been deny-by-default, allowing access only from their content-filtering server(s) and mail server(s) thus making this sort of thing impossible to do anyways./p

    1. Re:It's not a web site by Lord+Kano · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If this proxy is simply a website with a "Insert Web address here:" field and a "Go" button, it would look like any other website to their routers. Unless you're willing to impose and then troubleshoot a "deny by default" policy on all web traffic, it'll be easy to play cat and mouse with the network admins for quite a long time.

      LK

      --
      "Hi. This is my friend, Jack Shit, and you don't know him." - Lord Kano
    2. Re:It's not a web site by whizistic · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You'll get all the education you need, just you won't be allowed on the internet. When I worked for a school district, those who had their parents sign the paper got filtered internet access. Those who didn't got intranet access only. Simple active directory groups combined with websense.

      Catching those who used other peoples accounts was trivial the instant two logins to the same username happened (since once someone gives out their password, it spreads like wildfire)

      Catching those who used external SSL proxys was more difficult, but gross abusers still stood out

    3. Re:It's not a web site by Solra+Bizna · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Way to miss the point.

      What if there are 50 students sitting in a computer lab all downloading the same pictures of ancient Egypt at the same time?

      -:sigma.SB

      --
      WARN
      THERE IS ANOTHER SYSTEM
  5. Bah... I have no freaking clue by technoextreme · · Score: 2, Informative
    What legal rights, if any, can the school use to ban someone from hosting a website? Furthermore, what rights does the U.S. Government have to censor such websites?

    Bah.. There are probably plenty of Supremem Court cases related to this but without being a lawyer it's really hard to draw analogies. The closest argument I can find that seems to make sense is this link to a wikipedia article about public forums.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_forum
    PS. If you really want to find out who is right have your friend take the school to court and bring it all the way to the Supreme Court need be. Then you will really know.
    --
    Ooo man the floppy drive is broken. No wait. The computer is just upside down.
  6. It depends by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As others have noted, you haven't told us the whole story, so it depends on that.

    However, even assuming is was real simple, ie kid hosts site, school doesn't like site, school threatens kid, it still depends. What it depends on is if you mean what are they legally allowed to do, or what will they try to do and get away with. Legally they can't deny graduation for things not related to the school itself. That's why things like random drug test are always targeted at peopel who do extracurricular activities. They can make them consent in that case, but to try and say "you do it or you don't graduate" wouldn't work.

    Ok fine, but that doesn't mean they can't TRY to stop him from graduating. They can refuse to issue a diploma, fail him in all his classes, expell him, whatever. When that happens, he then has to fight. If he's in the right he'll win eventually, but the question is one of if it's worth it. Would it be worth potentially putting your life on hold over a website?

    So here's what I'd do, depending on the kind of person he is:

    Just let it go. Who the fuck cares? Take the site down. If he really wants to put it back up, use a registrar that hides personal information as others suggested and ensure it can't be linked to him. Just give in, it's not a fight worth fighting.

    Or, if he's not the give in type, go the revenge route. Your post implies graduation is something happening soon. So leave it alone for now, very soon the school has no say in your lives. When that happens, hit them back. I'm not going to bother listing all the perfectly legal things you could do to give them grief, I'm sure you can figure plenty out.

    Now by the way, if the point of this proxy is to circumvent the school's rules on what you are allowed to access, then yes, they can punish you for that. Next time don't be idiots: Create a front site for it, use SSL and don't fucking tell people about it.

    1. Re:It depends by TubeSteak · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Contrary to what you said Sycraft-fu, we do have the whole story.
      The original [proxy] domain was blocked by the censorship software the school uses, and it was changed a few times to get around this.
      Translation: Someone(s) accessed the proxy from school, the school blocked the domain name, the proxy owner started playing cat & mouse with the domain name.

      Someone(s) were circumventing the "censorship" (how is filtering boobies, at school, censorship?) software and the school wanted it stopped.

      What the school did is emminently reasonable. The owner of the proxy (a student) undoubtedly signed an Acceptable Use Policy (AUP) stating that they wouldn't even try to circumvent school filtering software. That's all the school needs to fuck with his graduation.

      The fact that the kid didn't get smacked down the first time (or the second time) that he got caught suggests to me that the IT people were quite willing to let it go. On top of that, the school admin don't want to keep the kid from graduating, they just want him to stop.

      I'm not sure how legit it is to force the kid to take the proxy down, but arguably (and realisticly), requiring that the proxy be taken down seems like the only way to guarantee compliance. (Why they didn't blacklist the proxy IP, we don't know)

      Conclusion: Take it down & be glad they aren't slapping him around for the rule(s) he broke. And if you're going to do something illegal about it, do it while it's still on your juvenile record.
      --
      [Fuck Beta]
      o0t!
  7. They have no right. by delirium+of+disorder · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Public schools should not use in school punishments for actions one takes outside of school. However, American school boards don't care much for the constitution. Administration views anyone who fights censorship and helps kids learn freely as more threatening then any violent offender. Your fried is lucky he wasn't expelled for running a proxy like I was. People concerned with these issues should get involved with peacefire.

    --
    ------ Take away the right to say fuck and you take away the right to say fuck the government.
    1. Re:They have no right. by chazzf · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The absence of the mod (-1, Incorrect) remains a consistent source of frustration. I suspect the main reason this individual is in hot water is the rampant abuse of his school's Acceptable Use Policy. This isn't a free-speech issue, it's a network-usage issue. Unless you think all AUPs are worthless and should be ignored.

      --
      No statement is true, not even this one.
  8. Graduation threats are like bogus patents.... by RingDev · · Score: 2, Insightful

    they are only as good as the legal battle that ensues.

    Can a public school force a student to shut down a web site (even a site designed to circumvent the school's security)? No. Can the student be expelled for violating the school's computer use agreement? Yes.

    If the school says shut it down or you won't graduate, the answer is to sue. The only reason why that "we won't let you graduate" arguement holds any weight is because students and their parents allow it to. Of course, challanging a school on that can get messy. If you remove their ability to threaten graduation, the only tools they have left (the correct ones!) are suspention and expulsion.

    I got busted in high school also, with two of my friends. This was back in '95 or '96. To make matters worse, my father was the IT director for the school district. Luckily, I had a chance to clean up my tracks a bit prior to being busted (my friends were busted earlier in the day, and as I'm sure you are aware, news travels fast in HS). Both of them were suspended from school for a few days and we all lost our network access for the rest of the school year. We had to work on laptops or independant work stations the rest of the year.

    So in short, he can keep his site, but he has to face the concequences of his actions. If the school makes a deal with him, shut down the site and we will drop any threat of non-graduation or expulsion, I'd say take it.

    -Rick

    --
    "Most people in the U.S. wouldn't know they live in a tyrannical state if it walked up and grabbed their junk." - MyFirs
  9. Grow up by fermion · · Score: 2, Insightful
    First, public shool is paid for by public dollars for the express purpose of encouraging students to engage in activities that build the mind of said student. As such there are experiences that are considered to be of of a net benifit to the student, and therefore are encouraged, or at least allowed, and activities that are of little or no net benift, and therefore are prohbited. For instance, socialization is of a benifit to student, therefore social intercourse is allowed and encouraged. OTOH, sexual incourse is not so schools do not provide bedroom for student to penetrate each other, and in fact try to discourage such acts.

    The end result of this is that not everything is allowed at school because not everything satisfies the constraints placed on the schol by the state and federal government. On of the consequences is that the internet is censored, which I believe is defensable, as opposed to censorship at the library which is not.

    Second, consider this analogy. A student creates a secret location in an apparently disused locker to stash his personal supply of porno which he shares with a select group. A student outside the group finds out about the stash, and begins to not only use it for stashing porno, but do drug drops. The school finds out, and shuts down the drop. The student then forms another location, and again lets the secret out. Eventually the student is told to stop building drops or not graduate. Most would say this is a reasonable request.

    Here is the issue with this kid. First, the proxy could only be construed as an attempt to circumvent school policy, which the kid agreed to follow by attending the school, and the parents agreed to support by enrolling the kid. As alluded to other posts, if the policies were a big problem, the kid could find a more accomodating private school.

    It also sounds like the school reacted reasonably, until the student got greedy and started blabbing about the fact that he could surf porno, or whatever, at the school. Now, teens are the really jelous type and hate it when someone get extra rights. They will then do everything in thier power to either get those rights themselves, or make sure no ne has them. What probably happened in this case is the greedy crimanal, uh student, probably started giving other acess, which lead to everyone knowing, which lead to the shut down.

    You see the school knows that students will test limits, and the school needs enforce them. This is normal, and nobody is the bad guy. The student is exersising creativity, the school is trying to educate the best it can. So the school gave a warning. The kid ignored it. The school gave another warning, tried to discourage the behavior, and the kid continued to ignore it. This is what is called insurbordination, and can get you fired from a job, with a bad reccomendation, and therefore schools try to teach kids not to engage in it, but as gently as possibe. At some point, however, the kid is just being mean and greedy and the discipline escalates. Such is life.

    So, lets be clear. Schools are there for education, and necesarily limit what is allowed on campus. Somethings are tolerated because even if they are disruptive they have a net benifit. Many things are tolerated becasuse no one knows. A student could have cigarettes or even a gun as long as he or she did not brag about it.

    In this case the student not only brought a gun to school but continued to do so even when told not to. The student not only brought a gun, but showed it to everyone and declared that it was a free speech right. Certainly the NRA would support the kid in that right, but most others would not.

    Leaving the world of hyperbole, here is the deal. The school is not telling a student not to run a website. The school is merely moderating the disruption to the school day so that education can be had. For instance, the school might want students to use the internet to plagerise papers rather than surfing for porno. If this website is so critical

    --
    "She's a scientist and a lesbian. She's not going to let it slide." Orphan Black
    1. Re:Grow up by hahafaha · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The question is not whether or not the school can block the website. They have full right to do that, and this is largely not disputed. What *is* disputed, is whether or not they can threaten him for running the proxy while not in school. The anwer is no, as far as I know, because he runs it outside of the school's power. Thus, while he is outside of the school's power, the fact that he is a student is irrelevant. It would be the same as them threatening a random person who has nothing to do with the school, but who runs a proxy server.

      I do not think that they can keep him for graduating due to running a proxy server outside of school. They have no control there. What they can do is make an ammendment to their Acceptable Network Use Policy, saying that you cannot run proxy servers, and make everybody sign them.

  10. Why not ask someone who knows? by EvilMagnus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Find a lawyer, file a lawsuit and find out.

    Chances are the District will settle for enough money for you to pay for college. As far as I know, schools have very little say in what you do when you're not at school, so long as it's not illegal.

    Now, they could probably say "don't go to that proxy during school hours, from school computers," and they'd probably be on good ground. But to ask you to take the proxy down or not graduate? Ground less stable, methinks.

    But as I said; find a lawyer, file suit, find out. Let us know how it goes!

    --
    -EvilMagnus
  11. The Insiders Story by Opsive · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I figured that since I was the previous lead webmaster for WakefieldHS.net (just graduated today!) and know (almost) the whole story behind this, I have to comment.

    I first saw the proxy that WakefieldHS-students is referring to over a month ago. In order to use the proxy you had to create an account. I never actually used the proxy, but I saw numerous people using it. The most viewed site by far was Myspace, I never did see anybody looking at porn on it but it probably happened.

    Anyways, after it got to the point that practically everybody in the school knew about it, I asked an administrator about it and if they were going to do anything about it. When I asked that administrator about it I wasn't sure if they had heard of the proxy yet or not, but they had, and one of them even had an account. Well, at that time, they where just going to let it go. It hadn't got to the out of control point yet. A couple of weeks ago an administrator talked to me saying that they were going to block it, and if I could see any reason not to block it. So of course, I didn't see any reason not to block it and it was blocked within the hour.

    Since then, I didn't hear anything about it, I wasn't expecting to. But then one of the other webmasters of WakefieldHS.net emailed me a link to this article. I don't know anymore of the rest of the story than what was posted here and what was on wakefieldhs.org. But I do know that the person who was running the proxy was a senior and he graduated today (I don't know him personally, but he was listed as a graduate).

    So that's the story, hope it clears some things up.

  12. Awww, rich kid busted for using proxy, how sad. by Associate · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Couldn't wait to get home to update your myspace account?
    They blocked Fark where I work for pornographic reasons. You know what I do? I wait til I get home.
    Face it. You got caught. You should have given up the first time. Repeatedly moving it just makes you look guilty. Guilty of what? Not running a proxy. Guilty of using school resources inappropriately. See http://www.wcpss.net/Technology/pdf/6446.pdf I think anyone who reads it will agree that regarless of their support of the rules or lack there of, you did in fact break the rules. Better you learn now at an early age there are consequences for your actions. You can't disregard rules you don't like and expect nothing negative to happen to you. Wait until you get to college. No one there will give a rats ass about you. You will be expected to do things you don't like. When you fail, you fail you, not some well meaning underpaid teacher. Best thing you could do right now is admit to your mistake and suck up the consequences.

    --
    Someone hates these cans.
  13. doesn't matter whether a school district by alizard · · Score: 2, Informative
    accepts 10 cents or $10 billion, Federal money = Federal control. However, the average district gets more than 10 cents.
    Although federal funding constitutes roughly seven percent of a school districts budget, it is needed to fund increased costs for services that are attributable to rising student enrollment and inflation. A primary concern regarding federal funding for education programs appropriated by Congress each year is that the actual amounts fall below what has been designated, or authorized, under laws such as the Individuals With Disabilities Education Act (IDEA).. . ."

    Laughable? You go tell a school board at a meeting that they really don't need 7% of their budget. While you might get laughter as a response, they aren't going to be laughing with you, they'll be laughing at you.

  14. Contact the ACLU by DerKlempner · · Score: 3, Informative

    Fifteen years ago, my best friend was in a similar situation. Two weeks until graduation and a suspension rolls in for distributing our homemade "newspaper." The suspension was a temporary punishment while the school tried to start expulsion hearings based on the fact that the school faculty didn't like what was printed in the newspaper. We contacted the ACLU and immediately had a representative at the school's expulsion hearing. The school didn't like to hear an ACLU lawyer telling them how they were going to be sued for denying two constitutional rights of free speech and free press. Three days after the initial suspension, my friend was back in school and went on to graduate.

    The events weren't even placed in his school records.

    If you think the school is trying to quash the rights of free speech and ideas, then by all means contact your local ACLU representatives. They'll help you fight against the the school's attempts to punish you if it's unconstitutional.

    --
    UNIX: Find it, fsck it, forget it.
  15. What the school can and can't do... by gozar · · Score: 2, Informative

    1) If they accept e-rate funding, the district is required to have a board approved acceptable use policy, which is signed by the staff, students, and parents. This AUP usually spells out things you are not allowed to do, and are written so that bypassing the filtering would fall under the no hacking policy.

    2) Filtering is required by the CIPA.

    3) School districts can punish students for things students have done on their own time on their own equipment if it disrupts school activities. For example, if a student puts up a website with negative info about a teacher, but no one goes to it, then the school can't punish the student. If the student puts up negative info about a teacher and everyone in the district is visiting the website during the school day, then the school district can take action.

    In this case, if it was disruptive in school, then the district can punish the student, including not allowing them to participate in commencement activities.

    --
    What, me worry?
  16. Re:I'm surprised... by VGPowerlord · · Score: 2, Funny

    If by "no proxy" you mean over port 80, your mom's school district needs to learn what a transparent proxy is and how to set one up.

    --
    GLaDOS for President 2016! "Well here we are again. It's always such a pleasure." -- GLaDOS, 2011
  17. Re:Their network, their rules by mrchaotica · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yeah, but since when could they block what they wanted OFF their network, by threatening the operator?!!

    I really don't care if this guy was running a proxy to MySpace or child porn or the Christian Coalition. The school system should not have any right to tell him what he can or cannot do with his on equipment, period!

    If he was doing something illegal, then the school system should just contact the police and have them handle it, because at least the police are subject to oversight by the judicial system. If he wasn't doing anything illegal, then the school system should be limited to punishing rule-breaking that actually occurred on campus. E.g., they shouldn't be threatening the student who is running the proxy, they should be giving detention to everyone that uses it from a school computer.

    --

    "[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz

  18. Re:Their network, their rules by mrchaotica · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Here's the funny thing: The school system does have the right to punish students for certain things that they do on their own time with their own equipment away from the school campus.

    No, the school system does not have that right! It has attempted to autocratically assume that right, and it has managed to convince most people that it has that right, but it does not have the moral or Constitutional authority to claim that right!

    And I, for one, am sick and tired of our failure as American Citizens to put the school system (and all the other parts of government acting beyond their authority) in their places!

    --

    "[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz