Code changes from year to year, and I doubt an electrical engineer is going to be up one specifics of what gauge wire is appropriate for a given number of electrical outlets to feed, or how far the circuit breaker must be from the gas line.
Who do you suppose writes those codes?
This is akin to saying "a bank manager would never be able to work as a loan officer because of the bank's constantly changing interest rates".
You do realize that electrical engineers do more than work with wires right..... My one electrical engineering professor teaches optics which while related to electrical engineers has nothing to do with wiring a freaking house.
As someone said the need to utilize C because of the 8Mhz computers are long gone. The problem is that he failed to realize that the 8Mhz computers are just working in a different place. For example most people probably have a bunch of them in their car and the only way to program them is with C, C++, or Assembler.
The compensation (interms of wages, costs of ongoing education, job security, and work hours) should fit the labor market. For the last 8 years they have been all out of wack and are not paying for itself in America.
Wages are just fine. My friend is getting paid twenty dollars an hour and he is an intern.
I mean, WTF, I hope no one that saw Idiocracy goes and buys this, because it's contributing money to the very thing the movie was preaching against. Now we've only got to wait until the U.S. government endures a financial crisis (whoops) and then Fox can attempt to buoy the FCC and FDA and buy them out, and we're looking at the degradation of the world. Of society.
If you honestly think that will happen you are really deranged. Im not entirely sure about the FCC but the FDA is full of people Im sure would revolt.
One example of another school using similar techniques is Rowan University [rowan.edu]'s College of Engineering [rowan.edu], which graduated their first engineering class in 2000. They base most of their Engineering Curriculum around a course called the "Engineering Clinic", where students work in small teams to generate real-world products and results. At the Junior & Senior levels, Rowan's clinic projects are usually sponsored by various companies, as well as local government agencies. The projects range from the mundane (build a flashlight) to the insane (conduct surveys and analyze the health of local major suspension bridges).
That's not really uncommon more than it is required for accreditation. I was talking to the dean of one of the engineering colleges at my school. His exact words were that they introduced the capstone before it became required for accreditation. So aparently everyone has a program similar to this because it's a required part of the curriculum.
I'm aware of the system but have never been in a situation to where I had to learn it. At this time though, I feel obligated to see how it is handled.
It's really not the problem. The problem is the organizational issues. There is so much information that almost everyone would become confused at one point or another. Usually, most of the questions I've asked involve directing people where to go. People would logically expect periodicals to be located with the periodicals but depending on how old they may be located somewhere else. Then you have a couple different ways of getting books from other libraries each with their own rules and the amount of time you can take out. Electronic periodicals which can be very confusing but very informative once they are working (Safari from Oreilly).
I would like to point out that most college libraries don't use the Dewey Decimal system. I'm not entirely certain but I think Boston Public Library also uses it. They use the Library of Congress method of classifying books.
The robots are far from being R?C cars. They pretty much have to do a lot of complex maneuvers on their own because otherwise we could accidentally direct them off a cliff. The robots mainly have human input because they aren't capable of finding points of significance or getting unstuck.
So probably this article has a much more potent effect on the kids who had internet e-mail when they were ten years old or younger, don't remember operating systems prior to Windows 95, never saw an Apple IIe or IIc... It's interesting stuff but it's not "hilarious"...
No it's just hilarious when you still use operating systems prior to Windows 95. Part of it results from retarded vendor lock in which you have to spend large amounts of money to get new software that does the same as the DOS program we have running in Windows 3.1. There is a laser CNC machine which only works with a computer with an operating system that predates DOS.
Likewise the notion of a laptop computer with the power of a PC XT, or any kind of big, heavy "portable" computer - my dad had a Commodore SX 64 when I was a kid, and I used to dream of having a real C-64 laptop.
Ehhhh.. Bought three of those at an auction (Why was it a part of a lot of useful items? I really don't know.) They are heavy but not as heavy as I expected.
So evolution could eventually make the need for males obsolete...
No unless you want humanity to die off because of genetic mutations. There is a species of lizard that has the female primarily make clones of herself. Even then these lizards still reproduce sexually once in a while.
In other news, life expectancy is no longer 50, bloodletting is no longer a recommended medical treatment, and witches do, in fact, sink when tied to large stones and thrown into water.
Interestingly enough leeches today are a recommended treatment for amputees.
Nothing personal about the Dean at your college, but think about this in about 10-20 years from now after you have left and then see what you think about this (admittedly cynical) viewpoint about college education. And pay attention to especially the discussion of publicly funded institutions and the legislative bodies that provide that funding. I hope it opens your eyes a bit here. Even if he toughens up the requirements for your schools, other schools will open up promising huge rewards for people trying to become a "E.E." instead. At least if the money is there. Your school has independent reasons in terms of marketing and recruitment strategy for trying to tighten standards, and I would also suggest your dean may also be facing a bit of a budget crunch as well that has nothing to do the quality of the students currently attending your school.
Ummmmm.... Your "scenario" doesn't make any sense. Capstone class became an requirment for all engineering colleges under ABET requirments not just my college. Essentially the colleges that didn't have any class like that had to add it. No way around it because I straight out asked him that all accredited engineering colleges had to offer it. He answer was yes which surprised me because like you I was going with the assumption that it was just stricter requirments being offered at my university. Now mind you the quality of education will be different from college to college but it does ensure a minimum standard of education in that everyone should be teaching the same thing.
So, I guess you've never heard of the "stairstep" method of grading. In other words, you take a bunch of tests/papers/projects and toss them up in a stairwell. Those who land on the top step get an "A", the next ones down get a "B" and so forth.
This and more does happen at many schools. If you havn't seen it, you are simply lucky.
I doubt it has to do with luck more than I actually learned what was going on in class. Also, you can't fuck around with test grades when the class is related engineering. The only way you can do that is if you decide to ignore whether or not the person got the right answer or if everyone does well grade on a bell curve. Neither has happened yet.
Or as I mentioned as well, I have had several instructors who could hardly speak English. Being only able to speak Chinese in an areas that is mainly English and Spanish speakers is not going to really help get the message out to the students. Complaints about this one point at the school I attended were so rampant (especially with TA's, but sometimes even with full professors) that a formal memo about the topic was sent out by the college dean that he was going to try and fix the problem. Unfortunately, from my perspective, the problem only got worse because the fundamental issues that lead to this being an issue in the first place never got fixed.
In my three years of college I've only had one teacher were it was a slight problem. The person spoke with a slight Russian accent though I do agree that it can be a problem.
Many of the classes are designed explicitly to scare the heck out of you to ever enter into a given profession and consider an alternative path in life,
Actually that could be father from the truth. The reason why most classes are hard is not because they want you to drop out but because the subject itself is hard. Any one of my EE courses can qualify under the scare the heck out of you clause.
The standards for graduation would merely be raised to nearly impossible standards to control the rate of graduation. And if there is a shortfall in the number of doctors, those standards will be lowered to permit more to graduate. There may be problems with specific specialities, but the over all number of medical doctors will be maintained. And if there is a shortfall in the number of doctors, those standards will be lowered to permit more to graduate. There may be problems with specific specialities, but the over all number of medical doctors will be maintained.
Not true. I had a discussion with one of the Deans of Engineering at my college. They actually raised the standards for engineering accreditation by making all engineering students have to take a capstone which involves designing and building something. I don't know when this happened but since you would think with the "engineering shortage" they would have dropped this as a requirement.
You guys have got no sense at all. When we complain about American imperialism, you say well our culture dominates the world get used to it (you mean McDonald's haha), call us leftists and then complain when you find out you aren't even the American empire you're just serfs in the control of the few. When something nerdy gets posted to Slashdot and someone like me replies with analysis and information we don't get modded up unless it's a banal one-liner. So what the hell. Bollocks to you all. We'd like to help you on this issue but you gave us Nixon and now GW Bush. Have fun.
The thing is that our government is supposed to be designed like this from the very begining because sometimes majority rule sucks and you get morons who try to use this very same referdums in other states to ban gay marriage and restrict the rights of other people.
Depending on what asteroid we are talking about it would be a relatively long time frame between hitting the earth. There is one asteroid that we are tracking that if it basically passes through the certain area we know it's going to hit earth but there will be plenty of time to prepare. It had some ironic name involving some god of death. I really wish I knew the name. According to wikipedia one might hit 800 years from now.
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Code changes from year to year, and I doubt an electrical engineer is going to be up one specifics of what gauge wire is appropriate for a given number of electrical outlets to feed, or how far the circuit breaker must be from the gas line.
Who do you suppose writes those codes?
This is akin to saying "a bank manager would never be able to work as a loan officer because of the bank's constantly changing interest rates".
You do realize that electrical engineers do more than work with wires right..... My one electrical engineering professor teaches optics which while related to electrical engineers has nothing to do with wiring a freaking house.
I meant to write 8Mhz desktop computers.
As someone said the need to utilize C because of the 8Mhz computers are long gone. The problem is that he failed to realize that the 8Mhz computers are just working in a different place. For example most people probably have a bunch of them in their car and the only way to program them is with C, C++, or Assembler.
Sony's ebook reader can use SD cards or their Memory Stick.
Im thinking it's idiotic to try and compare engineering with information technology.
Wages are just fine. My friend is getting paid twenty dollars an hour and he is an intern.
The only question I remember answering was whether or not someone should change his name to Stephen Colbert...
But you know it varies from person to person.
Yeah. I remember how Slashdot made a joke out of that the last time there was an article about a robot winning a competition using Windows.
Farscape lasted for five years on the Sci-Fi. I wouldn't call that immediate.
wouldn't the laptops themselves fall under United States export laws?
I would like to point out that most college libraries don't use the Dewey Decimal system. I'm not entirely certain but I think Boston Public Library also uses it. They use the Library of Congress method of classifying books.
The robots are far from being R?C cars. They pretty much have to do a lot of complex maneuvers on their own because otherwise we could accidentally direct them off a cliff. The robots mainly have human input because they aren't capable of finding points of significance or getting unstuck.
No it's just hilarious when you still use operating systems prior to Windows 95. Part of it results from retarded vendor lock in which you have to spend large amounts of money to get new software that does the same as the DOS program we have running in Windows 3.1. There is a laser CNC machine which only works with a computer with an operating system that predates DOS.
Ehhhh.. Bought three of those at an auction (Why was it a part of a lot of useful items? I really don't know.) They are heavy but not as heavy as I expected.
No unless you want humanity to die off because of genetic mutations. There is a species of lizard that has the female primarily make clones of herself. Even then these lizards still reproduce sexually once in a while.
Interestingly enough leeches today are a recommended treatment for amputees.
Firefox is not being ported to Windows 98 anymore. I don't remember the reason why though but it had nothing to do with it being a memory hog.
Ummmmm.... Your "scenario" doesn't make any sense. Capstone class became an requirment for all engineering colleges under ABET requirments not just my college. Essentially the colleges that didn't have any class like that had to add it. No way around it because I straight out asked him that all accredited engineering colleges had to offer it. He answer was yes which surprised me because like you I was going with the assumption that it was just stricter requirments being offered at my university. Now mind you the quality of education will be different from college to college but it does ensure a minimum standard of education in that everyone should be teaching the same thing.
I doubt it has to do with luck more than I actually learned what was going on in class. Also, you can't fuck around with test grades when the class is related engineering. The only way you can do that is if you decide to ignore whether or not the person got the right answer or if everyone does well grade on a bell curve. Neither has happened yet.
In my three years of college I've only had one teacher were it was a slight problem. The person spoke with a slight Russian accent though I do agree that it can be a problem.
Actually that could be father from the truth. The reason why most classes are hard is not because they want you to drop out but because the subject itself is hard. Any one of my EE courses can qualify under the scare the heck out of you clause.
Not true. I had a discussion with one of the Deans of Engineering at my college. They actually raised the standards for engineering accreditation by making all engineering students have to take a capstone which involves designing and building something. I don't know when this happened but since you would think with the "engineering shortage" they would have dropped this as a requirement.
The thing is that our government is supposed to be designed like this from the very begining because sometimes majority rule sucks and you get morons who try to use this very same referdums in other states to ban gay marriage and restrict the rights of other people.
Depending on what asteroid we are talking about it would be a relatively long time frame between hitting the earth. There is one asteroid that we are tracking that if it basically passes through the certain area we know it's going to hit earth but there will be plenty of time to prepare. It had some ironic name involving some god of death. I really wish I knew the name. According to wikipedia one might hit 800 years from now.
Which would in turn make BSG a ripoff of a ripoff. Then again the whole entire plot points may just cliched to the point of oblivion.