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Spam from Taiwan

TristanGrimaux writes "According to a recent study done by CipherTrust, two thirds of the world's spam is sent by Taiwan servers. The US follows with 24% and in a distant third is China with only 3% of the servers who actually sends the spam." The article cites easy access to broadband and lack of crackdown on offenders as the main contributing factors.

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  1. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  2. Hmm... by blank89 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Instead of figuring out where most of the spam comes from, they should figure out which geographic location churns out the most humorous spam. It could be a world wide competition.

  3. Re:Survey Says? by Short+Circuit · · Score: 3, Interesting

    As for following the money...I let the SEC do that. About once a week, I get a spam message pushing one stock or another. I forward them to enforcement (at) sec.gov. The message gets looked over by a lawyer.

    I don't know that it does anything about the spam, but hopefully whoever paid for the message gets paid back.

  4. Re:China has cheap broadband access by layer3switch · · Score: 4, Interesting

    France
    *Total Population: 60,876,136
    *Internet Users: 26,214,174

    China
    *Total Population: 1,313,973,713
    *Internet Users: 111,000,000

    I think, that number speaks for itself.

    *ref. from CIA World Fact Book

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  5. Re:Whats specific about Taiwan? by Heir+Of+The+Mess · · Score: 5, Informative
    Having been to Taiwan a fair bit I can think of some possibilities:-

    Most people I know there earn about US$15k/yr, and upgrading the RAM in your Pentium3 machine and then the Hard Drive, and then the video card is sort of common practice. Forking out big $$ for Windows XP isn't real easy so a lot of people are running some SP1 version of Windows XP they bought for $1 off the street, and this version gets owned pretty fast, and can't be patched from windows update. So there are lots of bots.

    Now 24Mbit internet access is like $5-$10 per month, so you can see there is quite a big engine there for generating spam.

    The culture there is such that they love the latest thing, so I could imagine that there would also be a tendency for people to install software off the net that has malware in it as well.

    Another thing I noticed is that your average grandmother there seems quite good at using a computer. So I could imagine that there might be more pensioner types sitting there doing some amount of spamming for a little bit of money.

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  6. Re:I've done tests with HoneyBOT by BrynM · · Score: 5, Interesting

    That's a cool project for a Windows honeypot. Thanks for the link. Outside of honeypots, I've been blanket filtering addresses from APNIC on my mail server for about a year now using some ideas I learned from this project (I filter at the mail request level rather than iptables). It's sad to filter an entire geographic region like that, but my users never talk to people from the Pacific Rim that I know of. My server (running XMail) is small, but my logs for the filtered emails constantly show the spam blocked exceeds the number of legit mails by a factor of four.

    Since I started filtering, I've turned a couple of other admins onto the idea. I wonder if TW/KR will find themselves in some odd form of network segregation in the future as more people adopt the practice of filtering their IPs. That might push the authorities into a little more action.
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  7. Overachievers by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 4, Funny

    Taiwan makes more than 66% of the notebooks on which we read that spam, so they're actually overperforming on the content:reader ratio. I wish they'd get more into eBooks.

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  8. Must not lose! by Umbral+Blot · · Score: 4, Funny

    Impossible! Go USA! Go USA! We can win the spam race!

  9. Re:Survey Says? by Technician · · Score: 5, Informative

    More like follow the offshore bank accounts, Grand Cayman Islands, etc.

    I lived there. Internet access is expensive as it was a government protected monopoly. Check the rates. Cable and Wireless is the company. To visit, see www.candw.ky.

    When they first put in internet, they got 2 satelite T1 links for the whole island. Little Cayman and Cayman Brac still did not have internet. They charged $0.25/minute for access on dial up.

    Needless to say I didn't get internet until I returned to the states.

    They have since gotten a Fiber Optic cable to Jamaca and they now offer DSL. They are running a promotion for $25/month for the first year. That is CI $ not USD. The price is close to US $30/month. Restrictions such as can't compete with the phone company by using VOIP is the norm.
    The plan appears to be capped at 256K unless you upgrade to a faster plan. For example the 1024 plan is CI $74. The 512 plan is $59.

    Cayman Islands is a nice place to go for diving and sun, but not for internet based business.

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  10. Re:Taiwan China ... by kclittle · · Score: 4, Informative

    Well, we have shades of red and red here. :)

    Does the People's Republic of China collect taxes in Taiwan? No, the Republic of China does.

    Does the PRC actually try to enforce its criminal laws in Taiwan? No, but the ROC enforces its laws.

    Does the PRC define the commerce regulations, health regulations, education standards, voting laws, aviation regulations, etc. within the borders of Taiwan? No -- but the ROC does.

    Does the PRC have military bases on Taiwan? No ... but the ROC does!

    What the U.N., U.S. and Europe say in polite diplo-speak is one thing. The working reality (and the *money* reality) is that Taiwan is a separate country, perhaps not in name, but in operational fact.

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  11. Re:Survey Says? by Firehed · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You don't do the business itself from the Caymans, just your under-the-radar finances.

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  12. Hinet Lax Policies by Spikeman56 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I believe the main issue is that broadband here is pretty much monopolized by Hinet. If you have a phone (landline), chances are you have a Hinet e-mail address. For some reason Hinet never, ever, authenticates their e-mail servers allowing them to be used from anywhere for any purpose. As a result a lot of companies (like AOL possibly) have just banned the whole entire Hinet domain, which often results in e-mails going outside of Taiwan never getting to their intended recipient. Hinet is a mess, I don't why they're so bloody awful at maintaining their servers responsibly, but its providing to be a huge problem both worldwide and for Taiwanese people themselves.

  13. You can easily fight with spammers. by Snipergrunge · · Score: 5, Interesting

    By the way... Most spammers who sent you letters to visit their web pages want's you to click their Google adSense ads. So, help them! Keep clicking Google banner untill your arm get tired and guess what happened. Google will close their account in one second because Google systems will decide that advertiser trying to cheat. It is impossible to open account again! SPAMMER DEAD!

  14. Re:Survey Says? by ciscoguy01 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Let the SEC do it.

    The SEC. Ha. A worthless three letter agency, if you ask me.
    The SEC's lawyers wanted my help on stock tout junk faxes. I told them I had the information they wanted and I could get the rest and testify- but only if they were going to put the junk faxers out of business. They had no intention of doing anything. They are just going through the motions, drawing government salaries. I declined to help them.

    Like the FCC, another worthless three letter agency.
    They fined Fax.com $5.4 million for sending out junk faxes. The FCC's lawyers wanted my help too, if I had bothered with them the fine would have been $240 million. I have files full of those junk faxes.
    The FCC did nothing whatsoever to collect. NOTHING
    If you or I owed the government money I can assure you they would be collecting from us.

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  15. Where's Nigeria? by RetroRichie · · Score: 3, Funny

    Prince Desmond Okotiebor Etete himself MUST account for at least 10% of all spam...

  16. SPAM origins by __aanonl8035 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I run my own mail server for my private email that I only use with friends.
    Lately, I have been getting spam about stock investments, and I notice that
    it was pretty consistent so I started investigating what was going on with
    my server. I started marking down ip addresses of the offending servers
    and blocking them if I felt they were not legitimate mail servers or if it
    was from a country that I know I will not get email from on my personal email
    account.

    I have been blocking a new server every day for 2 months.

    Here is the scarey part. I still get the same email spam every day, but
    only once.

    My hunch is telling me that the purveyor of this message is using some
    sophisticated means of harnassing zombie machines to send messages, and is
    only sending a few messages at a time so that automated blackhole lists
    never catch on fast enough. (such as spamhaus)

    I have noticed that these machines are almost always located in Asia,
    Latin America, or Eastern Europe...

    It got so bad, I just started block entire class A's from countries I know
    I am not going to email to or from.

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    1. Re:SPAM origins by the+packrat · · Score: 3, Insightful
      My hunch is telling me that the purveyor of this message is using some sophisticated means of harnassing zombie machines to send messages, and is only sending a few messages at a time so that automated blackhole lists never catch on fast enough. (such as spamhaus)

      It's not a 'hunch'. I try to stop spam coming from a large devolved university network with a great number of varyingly maintained windows boxes and many different mail servers. A little over a year ago, spam zombie machines stopped flooding tens of thousands of messages an hour and started leaking out a handful every now and then. A few months later, the email-borne virus folks caught up.

      It makes them a lot harder to spot.

      For what it's worth, blacklists are effectively useless. Almost all spam now comes from poorly secured workstations and personal machines attached to ISPs and other organisations. All you're going to do with a blacklist is irritate organisations who have users with poorly configured machines. This includes practically everyone. The spammers are just going to move on to another part of their massive botnet, only legitimate email will be blocked.

      Likewise, your blocking of entire class A-sized-blocks, particularly as with tight IP space, a lot of blocks are being broken up and moved round, is pretty pointless. Reminds me of a post some years ago by someone who claimed you could stop lots of spam for no loss by blocking mail from all TLDs other than .edu, .gov, .edu, and .net. Ho ho ho. B>

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    2. Re:SPAM origins by Haeleth · · Score: 5, Informative

      It got so bad, I just started block entire class A's from countries I know
      I am not going to email to or from.
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      I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the IP allocation system. Class A networks are not associated with single countries, but with registries. 81, for example, is one of the networks administered by the RIPE NCC; an IP address beginning with 81 could be located anywhere within Europe or the Middle East.

      In fact, my very own IP address begins with 81. I live in Britain, which - as you may be aware - is not in "Asia,
      Latin America, or Eastern Europe". It's a good thing I don't want to email you, isn't it?

  17. Time for a history lesson? by l-ascorbic · · Score: 3, Informative

    After WW2 and the end of the Japanese occupation, a civil war was fought between the Communists under Mao and the KMT under Chiang Kai-shek. The KMT were effectively defeated by 1949, and Chiang evacuated to Taiwan. For much of the Cold War, "Free China" (ROC) was the only government of China recognised by most states and international organisations. However, as part of the 'detente' in the 1970s, most countries switched their recognition to Communist China (PRC). The ROC is obviously a state in all but name, but the situation is maintained to avoid nuclear war. The PRC has said that if the ROC declares independence then they will invade, while the US has stated that it will defend Taiwan, and has meanwhile provided large amounts of military aid. So, basically, it's a mess.

  18. misinformation by lxt518052 · · Score: 4, Informative
    There isn't a country in this world called Democratic Peoples Republic of China. The 1.3 billion population live in a country called PRC(People's Republic of China).

    ROC used to rule the whole China, mainland and Taiwan combined. They lost the civil war in 1949 and retreated to Taiwan. Neither PRC nor ROC see each other as a ligitimate government of China. At least both constitutions claim largely overlapping territories. It's a stalemale over half a century.

    How people are so casual about the facts is beyond me.

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  19. Re:Survey Says? by nettdata · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Except it's hardly ever the company itself that is doing the promotions... it's third-party people that target them and convince others, via spam, to invest in the company, which drives the prices up, which allows them to unload their own stock at a profit.

    All while being 100% unrelated to the company.

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  20. You forgot the legal reality by lxt518052 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    The two political bodies still don't see each other legally representing China. Territories in both constitutions overlap, if not identical. The citizens cannot travel to the opposite area by passport like most countries do. They need special arrangement. PRC issues Taiwanese Citizen Certificates to citizens from ROC. ROC issues Entry to Taiwan Certificates. These are the only legal travel documents if either people want to enter the other side. Note, the travel document issued by ROC is not called Entry to ROC Certificate, because mainland is legally also part of ROC. Taiwan, by ROC's own definition, is just the name of a region, not a country.

    Legally, the civil war in the 40s has not finished yet. Neither side of the war has been eliminated. No treaty or cease-fire agreement was signed. Both sides just prefer not to fight for now.

    This situation is very complicated. Indeed, it's getting more complicated as more political powers want to get involved in it. I think the best way to resolve it is to leave it to the Chinese people of both sides to sit down and talk. Any open foreign involvement and provocation from the Taiwan Independence side will risk a full-blown war in the region.

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  21. Re:China + China by mlewan · · Score: 3, Informative

    The article is not about senders of spam but of servers that control them. There is a huge difference.