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Slashback: Oklahoma Spyware, FSF DRM, Lenovo Linux

Slashback tonight brings some corrections, clarifications, and updates to previous Slashdot stories including Oklahoma's Spyware Bill dies a quiet death, Lenovo denies ditching Linux, Mars rover escapes again, RIM CEO speaks out against unlimited wireless, Microsoft LiveMail gets ads, FSF anti-DRM campaign expands, and AT&T calls Wired to task over leaked documents -- Read on for details.

Oklahoma's Spyware Bill dies a quiet death. enforcer999 writes to tell us that the Oklahoma Computer Spyware Protection Act has been pretty much dismantled by the Senate review committee. From the article: "Sen. Clark Jolley, R-Edmond, the Senate author of the legislation, said revisions he had made to the bill were well received by those who had originally opposed it, but that after making the changes, the companies backing the measure -- which had included Microsoft and Symantec Corp. -- opposed it."

Lenovo denies ditching Linux. btornado writes "According to News.com, Lenovo has denied ditching Linux on their notebook computers. Lenovo actually plans to support Linux on its ThinkPads starting in the third quarter, in partnership with Novell. From the article: 'Customers of the recently introduced Lenovo 3000 units still won't have a preloaded option, however, because the small and midsize business customers that are the targets for those units have many different requirements, he said.'"

Mars rover escapes again. An anonymous reader writes "New Scientist is reporting that NASA's Mars Opportunity rover has freed itself from the sandy soil that ensnared it for more than a week. This is the second time the rover has gotten bogged down in a Martian sand trap. Both times, the rover has managed to escape to solid bedrock by churning its wheels in reverse."

RIM CEO speaks out against unlimited wireless. frdmfghtr writes "The president and co-CEO of Research in Motion seems to think that wireless data services providing unlimited data traffic for a flat monthly rate will have a 'devastating effect on wireless innovation.' From the article: '"No matter how you slice it, bandwidth is not free," he said. "If we don't set up economic incentives now, research and innovation for new networks won't happen for the future. We want companies to be encouraged to make efficient use of the network, so we don't cross over and use up all the capacity of the networks." Counters Jeff Pulver, the founder of Pulver Media, saying that (FTA) "unlimited bandwidth use in the wireless world is needed because access to the network is what spurs innovation."'"

Microsoft LiveMail gets ads. Blahbooboo3 writes to tell us BetaNews is reporting that Microsoft will be embedding advertising in their new e-mail client software, Windows Live Mail Desktop. Similar to Google's Gmail, it will serve ads based on the text of your mail messages. Microsoft's Active Search feature, being tested within Windows Live Mail Desktop, scans users' emails and displays potential search terms related to that email as well as text-based contextual ads. The effort is an example of the Windows Live ad-supported software initiative. Contextually relevant ads served by Microsoft-partner Kanoodle will be displayed next to each email message. Also, paid search links will be served by Microsoft adCenter when users conduct searches via a search box that's built into the mail interface.

FSF anti-DRM campaign expands. nanday writes "According to an article on Newsforge (Also owned by VA), the Free Software Foundation's Defective by Design campaign against Digital Rights Management expanded on Saturday, targeting Apple Stores in eight American cities. However, unlike the event outside WinHEC 2006 two weeks ago, this time the police and security guards were waiting when campaign volunteers arrived to demonstrate."

AT&amp:T calls Wired to task over leaked documents. John Young writes to tell us that AT&T is standing in opposition [PDF] to Wired's recent intervention and the unsealing of documents. AT&T stated that "Wired argues that it has a 'unique perspective in this case.' If that is anything other than hot air, it is a reference to the fact that Wired has leaked eight pages of what it claims are AT&T Proprietary documents--and did so despite actual knowledge that AT&T claims its documents contain trade secrets and the Court had ordered that such documents remain under seal. A 'unique perspective' indeed--that of the scofflaw. [...] Wired maintains that the Klein and Marcus Declarations should be unsealed in their entirety because "the course of events has overtaken the sealing order." The "course of events" to which Wired refers is, of course, its own leaking of subsets of the information that the Court ordered remain under seal. Wired's argument appears to be that because it has openly chosen to disregard the Court's order (not to mention AT&T's rights) the Court should reverse that order. Talk about chutzpah."

135 comments

  1. Unlimited wireless bad? by winkydink · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And it will stifle innovation? Oh yeah, just like internet innovation was severely stifled as most of the pay-per-bit billing schemes fell over the last 10 years

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    1. Re:Unlimited wireless bad? by Carnildo · · Score: 5, Informative

      And it will stifle innovation? Oh yeah, just like internet innovation was severely stifled as most of the pay-per-bit billing schemes fell over the last 10 years

      Wholesale bandwidth (what an ISP or hosting facility buys) is still sold by the bit. It's only at the retail level (ISP customers and some hosting plans) where there's no limit.

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      "They redundantly repeated themselves over and over again incessantly without end ad infinitum" -- ibid.
    2. Re:Unlimited wireless bad? by empaler · · Score: 3, Interesting

      IMO, they should set it up like a Danish ISP. (Disclaimer: (a) I work for them. (b) I do not think they have great prices, but not insane ones either)

      They have a flat rate plan and a flexible rate plan. In the flexible rate plan you pay less for speed (good for users who use internet sparingly and don't want to wait when they finally do) and in the flat rate plan they pay more for speed, but they can get as many gigs a month as they want.

      The way I see it, this makes planning infrastructure much easier. Also, the customers who use ten gigs monthly don't really end up paying for those who use 200 gigs monthly (which happens if everyone is on the same flat rate plans).

    3. Re:Unlimited wireless bad? by Umbral+Blot · · Score: 1

      Oh it's clear how this will doom innovation for all time. You see with free and unlimited access to the web people who would normally be innovating will now be tied up in flame wars and watching funny videos. Clearly their productivity would plummet and innovation would grind to a screeching halt. In fact we should destroy the internet completely in order to protect innovation.

    4. Re:Unlimited wireless bad? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Previously, I regretted that, when I knelt before Mike Lazaridis (president and CEO of RIM, and chancellor of the University of Waterloo) when receiving my master's degree, I didn't ask him to give me a high-five instead of the traditional handshake (where friends who work for RIM tell me he probably would have gone for it). Now, I kind of regret that I didn't say "By the way, if you're ever thinking of speaking out against unlimited wireless, I would advise against it."

    5. Re:Unlimited wireless bad? by tri.bassett · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Ok, let's debunk this here and now... 'devastating effect on wireless innovation.' A flat out lie from someone with a vested interest in keeping his fledgling "monopoly alive". Stand aside butt-wad, the train is coming through. "No matter how you slice it, bandwidth is not free," Actually, bandwidth through the airwaves belongs to the people, dumb-ass. Keep pushing, and see how quickly your product gets ignored... "If we don't set up economic incentives now" - read as "our business model blows dead camels. We need government kick-backs to keep our dead bodies floating" "research and innovation for new networks won't happen for the future". That "taxpayer funded model for innovation" worked so well for Bell Labs for years, let's keep the party rolling".. Oh, by the way, the last vestige of Bell Labs is now for sale: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/14/realestate/comme rcial/14bell.html?_r=1&oref=slogin We want companies to be encouraged to make efficient use of the network, so we don't cross over and use up all the capacity of the networks." Counters Jeff Pulver, the founder of Pulver Media, saying that (FTA) "unlimited bandwidth use in the wireless world is needed because access to the network is what spurs innovation." Uh-huh. right. efficient use of bandwidth gets us a whole bunch of other ways to stream "American Idol". Gaaak.

    6. Re:Unlimited wireless bad? by scatters · · Score: 1

      >Actually, bandwidth through the airwaves belongs to the people, dumb-ass

      Yes, but at some point you have to convert that air-borne signal into bits on the wire, which means investing in circuits, peering points, etc. Go price the cost of a dark circuit, such as a point to point DS/3. Then go price the cost of a DS/3 with IP though an ISP. The majority of the cost is the IP access.

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    7. Re:Unlimited wireless bad? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a perfectly valid point: bandwidth ain't free. It's cheap enough that if you're only getting a couple megabits per second you can be charged a flat fee, but it's still not free. This honestly does drive innovation, because it pushes people to make bandwidth cheaper. Right now, wireless is goddamn expensive: 802.11g is 54Mbit/s, for a cost higher than 1Gbit/s (and, like gigabit over copper, you're lucky to get half the theoretical max). We don't need to subsidize wireless to make it "free," we need to improve the technology to the point where, like wired networks, megabits are cheap-as-free (thanks H*R). Once we hit that point we can look at throwing "government" dollars at the problem, but until then we've got a long way to go.

      Look at it this way. Say the government starts giving away wireless interweb. Say, further, that it costs $20 per person (of tax dollars, per month) to provide. To most people, that will seem like free interweb since they don't get a bill, they just get a tax form. Now say Joe's Private Interweb can provide a better service at a cost of $30 per person. Well, that's $30 versus "free." Hard to justify for an incremental improvement. Remember that you can't opt out of taxes: you have to pay for your "free" interweb whether you use it or not. So Joe's would have to charge more like $10, turning a loss of $20 per customer, making it completely impossible to do. You just can't compete against the government.

      Like I said before, once wireless bandwidth becomes essentially free, then we can start talking about "giving it away." Until then, let greed drive innovation.

    8. Re:Unlimited wireless bad? by jd · · Score: 1

      I was thinking more in the same way roofnets had destroyed the cell phone industry in the year 2000, due to unlinited free VoIP. You didn't hear about that?

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    9. Re:Unlimited wireless bad? by Duhavid · · Score: 1

      It is entirely possible that I am wrong, and this
      is conjecture based on things I heard. I used to work
      at a company that did a blackberry app. I did not work in
      the group doing the Blackberry client ( we did an
      app for the old blackberries, not the same as the
      email client they come with natively ), nor the
      server side, but I did work with them. My understanding
      is that the network that the blackberry traffic was
      going over was very limited in bandwidth. That team
      was having to be very stingy in how they used
      any bandwidth. Given that, and all the engineering
      that blackberry must have put in to get things
      running well over that net, having unlimited wireless
      will likely make their offering look a bit stark
      by comparision. I doubt they want to invest in
      a high bandwidth offering, they likely want to
      keep the playing field confined to their speciality.

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      emt 377 emt 4
    10. Re:Unlimited wireless bad? by empaler · · Score: 1

      Bah, just noticed that I did something I hate to see:
      Either it's ten and two hundred or 10 and 200. No mixing.

  2. Oklahoma Priorities by Kelson · · Score: 5, Interesting

    They can work out law that classifies video games as harmful to minors, but they can't work out a law to protect their citizens from spyware.

    Glad to know they have their priorities straight.

    1. Re:Oklahoma Priorities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably adults are supposed to protect themselves.

    2. Re:Oklahoma Priorities by Associate · · Score: 1

      See, this is how it works. If they pass bills 'protecting' people, regardless of how stupid the laws are, they can say they are at least doing something 'for' people. If the would be good laws get passed over, it's just fodder that nobody remembers.

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      Someone hates these cans.
    3. Re:Oklahoma Priorities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably adults are supposed to protect themselves.

      Unfortunately, a shotgun doesn't discourage electronic trespassers as effectively as it does in meatspace.

    4. Re:Oklahoma Priorities by Umbral+Blot · · Score: 1

      I guess that means the spyware people were bribing them while the video game companies were not.

    5. Re:Oklahoma Priorities by sqlrob · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yeah, a bill (in it's original form) that let MS crawl your hard drive and forward data to cops, or delete anything they please is a good one that should be passed.

    6. Re:Oklahoma Priorities by MrSquirrel · · Score: 1

      THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!

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      A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
    7. Re:Oklahoma Priorities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      MOD UP

    8. Re:Oklahoma Priorities by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

      "[...] they can't work out a law to protect their citizens from spyware."

      Part of the issue is "what is spyware"?

      Once a week, my Mac tells Apple about all the versions of Apple-branded software on my computer so that Apple can check to see whether my software is up-to-date. Is that spyware? Well, yes it is. On the other hand, I approve of that kind of action.

      Needless to say, corporations don't like the idea of somebody defining "spyware" because they might inadvertently trip over it. You might have to explicitly "opt-in" to operating system updates, for example. As we learned when Windows XP turning off automatic updates, people don't update and that helped viruses spread. Of course, corporations can use this to sneak advertising into your applications ("You're using iLife '04? Why not buy iLife '06! Click here to buy it.") or to send you other software that you don't want running on your machine (WGA, anyone?). No corporation wants to have to jump through those hoops when they develop software--especially to appease the residents of just one state. Would you have a special version of Mac OS X to be sold in Oklahoma which turns off automatic updates?

    9. Re:Oklahoma Priorities by soft_guy · · Score: 1

      I would prefer to have them continue to kill any bill that allows Microsoft to riffle through my computer at will.

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    10. Re:Oklahoma Priorities by ragefan · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Once a week, my Mac tells Apple about all the versions of Apple-branded software on my computer so that Apple can check to see whether my software is up-to-date. Is that spyware? Well, yes it is. On the other hand, I approve of that kind of action.

      But it is possible to have the server tell the client what the latest versions are released and the client-side update application can decide to download it (think just about all linux updaters (apt-get, yum, portage, etc). These corporations choose to collect this information users and quite possibly a lot more.

    11. Re:Oklahoma Priorities by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      I have just one thing to say about that...
      REMEBER TUTTLE!

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  3. AT&T by drpimp · · Score: 2, Funny

    AT&amp:T ????

    Dooh! Damn shift key.

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    1. Re:AT&T by megaditto · · Score: 1

      Wired's argument appears to be that because it has openly chosen to disregard the Court's order (not to mention AT&T's rights) the Court should reverse that order. Talk about chutzpah."

      To sum up Wired's circular arguement:

      "No, Your Honor, I did not rape that minor. I was nowhere near there that night, I never even met her, she told me she was 18, and the sex was consentual."

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      Obama likes poor people so much, he wants to make more of them.
  4. Unlimited data plans... by garcia · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The president and co-CEO of Research in Motion seems to think that wireless data services providing unlimited data traffic for a flat monthly rate will have a 'devastating effect on wireless innovation.' From the article: '"No matter how you slice it, bandwidth is not free," he said. "If we don't set up economic incentives now, research and innovation for new networks won't happen for the future. We want companies to be encouraged to make efficient use of the network, so we don't cross over and use up all the capacity of the networks." Counters Jeff Pulver, the founder of Pulver Media, saying that (FTA) "unlimited bandwidth use in the wireless world is needed because access to the network is what spurs innovation."'"

    I went with T-mobile for two reasons. 1) They are the only carrier that has a viable portable device for Internet connectivity and 2) They have an unlimited data plan at a flat rate $20.00 with T-mobile mobile phone service or $29.99 without.

    To claim that this somehow creates problems with innovation is insane! Hell, I certainly would NOT be paying per MB charges and I'm sure that many others would agree. People in the US are too used to "unlimited" connections (from the dialup days through today). Per MB/GB transfer charges would fall flat on their faces in areas with competition. Luckily, in the mobile market, there's plenty of that.

    1. Re:Unlimited data plans... by moochfish · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and just imagine if this is how your cable company charged for your home internet access. Just because it's wireless on the go doesn't mean suddnely it should be billed by the minute or byte.

    2. Re:Unlimited data plans... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      His bias is based on how blackberries work. They have a wired server that monitors the real mail server and "pushes" new messages to the blackberry, connecting to your wireless device as needed. If we had unlimited, always on wireless Internet service, the entire blackberry concept would be unneeded - standards based IMAP clients running phones/pda's would be able to check for mail regularly, killing the need for the proprietary push concept that makes up RIM's business.

  5. Unstoppable Opportunity by CleverNickName · · Score: 0

    NASA should really change Opportunity's name the T-1000.

    1. Re:Unstoppable Opportunity by tulare · · Score: 1

      If it's unstoppable, unbreakable, whatever, then their naming solution should be obvious (all the more so if they actually did it): United States Spaceship Oracle. Imagine the co-branding opportunities!

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    2. Re:Unstoppable Opportunity by Kelson · · Score: 1

      NASA should really change Opportunity's name the T-1000.

      So the only way to stop it is to drop it into a vat full of molten steel. Good to know -- it should be pretty safe on Mars!

    3. Re:Unstoppable Opportunity by FhnuZoag · · Score: 2

      Quit giving the Martian Council ideas, traitor!

  6. Slow action on spyware and spam by antic · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Could one reason behind the slow government action against spyware and spam be that those voting on and lobbying for/against the issue just don't spend enough time with a standard home internet connection to see what life on the net is like with these two annoyances?

    We should be able to surf the net without risk of being hijacked and we should be able to run websites and forums without copping spam each and every day. If you run a web-based business or a bunch of websites, dealing with spam can quickly become a significant headache that chews valuable time.

    For how long have spam and spyware been real issues for real internet users without strong action from those who could be increasing penalties and tracking these scum down?

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    'Thats they exact same thing a banana wrench monkey.'
    1. Re:Slow action on spyware and spam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is it the GOVERNMENT's problem? Use a real operating system or get some spyware cleaning tools if you must, but in any case you need to stop whining. Even when using Windows, for several hours a day, I have never, not once in my life, had a problem with spyware - because I don't suck at browsing the Web. I don't want my tax dollars going toward tracking down spammers and spyware writers because they're not the people's problem - they're only some people's problem. Deal with it yourself.

    2. Re:Slow action on spyware and spam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually I'm kinda wondering if the spyware, adware and spam industries themselves aren't lobbying.

    3. Re:Slow action on spyware and spam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Protip: The US doesn't legislate for the whole world.

      The internet exists for the whole world. While the US can attempt to legislate its corners of the Internets, it cannot tell other countries what to do.

      In theory, at least.

    4. Re:Slow action on spyware and spam by Snover · · Score: 1

      Dude, that's like saying that murderers aren't your problem because you don't live in a high-crime area. People that damage other people's property or body are bad for society as a whole and are everyone's problem, whether you want to believe it or not.

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    5. Re:Slow action on spyware and spam by antic · · Score: 1

      It is most certainly everyone's problem, but little to nothing is being done by elected governments to really challenge these people. All I am suggesting is that those in power are working behind no doubt expensive firewalls and with top grade filtering - would they really find spam and spyware to be a severe annoyance if they're not being confronted with it many times per day?

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      'Thats they exact same thing a banana wrench monkey.'
    6. Re:Slow action on spyware and spam by antic · · Score: 1

      A lot of the spam I receive seems to be promoting US companies...

      The post further up seems to be a little too focused on spyware. Spam is what frustrates me more. The stuff that I get by email isn't a huge issue, but posts on forums and coming through client's contact forms are a real pest.

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      'Thats they exact same thing a banana wrench monkey.'
  7. business weasel-speak lexicon by nuzak · · Score: 5, Funny

    Here's a helpful translation tip, you can just mentally substitute the second phrase for the first whenever you encounter a corporate talking head saying it:

          "would stifle innovation" ---> "would impact our bottom line"

    Hope that helps.

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    Done with slashdot, done with nerds, getting a life.
    1. Re:business weasel-speak lexicon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      "Would impact our bottom line"? That's PHB-speak too. How about "We wouldn't make as much money as we do now"?

      PS: Anybody else read "Mars rover escapes again" and get that song stuck in their head? "Whooo let the dogs out!"

    2. Re:business weasel-speak lexicon by Bodhidharma · · Score: 1

      I didn't before. :(

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      A dyslexic man walks into a bra.
  8. Trade Secrets Must Be *SECRET* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    IANAL, but even so, the summary talks of "chutzpah" on Wired's behalf when that's ridiculous.

    You see, a trade secret must be actually secret. The fact that Wired has made it non-secret means that it is no longer eligible for that protection. Now, AT&T is free to sue Wired if it thinks it has some grounds on which to do so, but it really doesn't matter who leaked it, you can't have a trade secret without a *secret* ...

    Then again, I don't know how well that deters courts. CSS descramblers were supposedly secret at one point, but every geek and their dog has a copy of them now. They're all over the internet. 2600 may not be able to link to one, but it doesn't really matter any more. That's probably why some of these companies are so frustrated by the internet: half the time, it's too damn late and the law is powerless to stop the flow of widely disseminated information.

    Of course, the problem with this battle is that the Court will be ruling on what evidence is admissible for the case, so it actually can have more legal effect than it otherwise would (i.e. the Court can stick its head in the sand and pretend that evidence doesn't exist while throwing out the case those papers provide evidence in favor of).

    But I know one thing: due to their behavior, Wired has at least one more subscriber, and AT&T has one more person who dislikes them.

    1. Re:Trade Secrets Must Be *SECRET* by Bodhidharma · · Score: 1

      Wired has TWO more subscribers, at least. Their decision to publish the AT&T materials plus the fact that they have good content convinced me to subscribe.

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      A dyslexic man walks into a bra.
  9. Trust the industry, the industry knows best! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I say to you that the VCR is to the American film producer and the American public as the Boston strangler is to the woman home alone.
      Jack Valenti, Home Recording of Copyrighted Works, Committee on the Judiciary, United States House of Representatives, April 12, 1982

    Now look at all the money lost by the Hollywood studios in the 90's. Video recorders cleaned them out, I tell you. And the DVD nailed their coffin shut. All this is the reason we have no Movie/Recording industry in the US today.

    1. Re:Trust the industry, the industry knows best! by grammar+fascist · · Score: 1

      I love this invective.

      People who use VCRs aren't pirates. They're, they're... they're rapists! Raping us of all our money!

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  10. There IS a limit on wireless bandwidth by Screwy1138 · · Score: 1

    There is a reason RIM states that there shouldn't be unlimited bandwidth plans... the idea is simple, there is limited bandwidth. In the wired world, you can always add more wires. This doesn't apply to wireless, if everyone in an area is using huge amounts of bandwidth, everyone's performance goes down. There is a limited amount of frequencies to operate on. Allowing people to create things that are bandwidth hogs ultimately puts everyone's use of wireless at risk. Whereas, putting a price on bandwidth encourages innovation in the area of value/bandwidth.

    1. Re:There IS a limit on wireless bandwidth by The+Cisco+Kid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There are phsyical limits with wired connectivity too.

      The point is, the limit should be a specific rate, and unlimited *usage*, as opposed to a per-bit-transferred scheme. People will always be willing to pay for faster connections, but most fear the possibility that some uncontrolled event or fraud will run their bill up to insane amounts - that isn't a factor with a limited rate - all that happens is it will just hit the rate limit and choke.

    2. Re:There IS a limit on wireless bandwidth by Screwy1138 · · Score: 1

      But the problem is the choke can happen because of everyone else... I could be using bandwidth very efficiently, and if those around me are using it "carelessly", everyone pays the price, even the one being efficient.

    3. Re:There IS a limit on wireless bandwidth by Duhavid · · Score: 1

      If it is limited, then wont it be scarce? And wont that
      scarcity lead naturaly to higher prices, driving people
      to be frugal with it?

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      emt 377 emt 4
    4. Re:There IS a limit on wireless bandwidth by enrevanche · · Score: 1

      And if demand goes up for a limited resource, the price of unlimited plans will go up or, more likely, they will find a way to provide additional bandwith.

      What he is trying to defend against is the destruction of the current business model with charges for every service. If you just buy an umlimited data plan, you can use anybody to send your email etc. and you don't need specialized devices (like blackberrry's). This is especially true for casual users.

      Users want fixed rate plans where you also won't be shut out due to using up your limit. The way that current cell phone (voice) billing works is horrible if you go over your minutes. A bit higher rate is reasonable, but a 10 times higher rate (as is typical for voice) is a complete rip-off. With data, accidently connecting to the wrong service could be even worse.

      Many customers probably won't even consider a pay per usage plan.

    5. Re:There IS a limit on wireless bandwidth by yobjob · · Score: 1

      Only if there's equal wealth distribution.

    6. Re:There IS a limit on wireless bandwidth by Duhavid · · Score: 1

      If this is a joke, I am in need of explaination.

      Heck, I dont get your point whether it is serious or not.

      What does equal wealth distribution have to do with
      scarcity and price? Unequal wealth distribution
      might limit how high a price might go, but I dont
      think it negates the point.

      Or am I too tired?

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      emt 377 emt 4
    7. Re:There IS a limit on wireless bandwidth by greenrd · · Score: 1
      Well it's pretty obvious. Bill Gates, for example, has no need to be frugal with his bandwidth usage, so it is not in general true that higher prices forces everyone to be frugal.

    8. Re:There IS a limit on wireless bandwidth by Duhavid · · Score: 1

      In doing the engineering planning for a
      product that uses wireless communication,
      that company will use Bill Gates as the
      epitome of their projected customer base?

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    9. Re:There IS a limit on wireless bandwidth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're completely right, of course, barring breakthroughs in technology. (Of course, this is mainly an economic limit: Enough low-powered cells can always, always increase the number of users you can support per unit area. It's just not terribly cost-efficient.)

      However, the solution for this is rate limits, like it always has been. When you buy DSL for a flat rate, your ISP doesn't just let you send data as fast as the line will bear. Unlimited data in this context just means unmetered data, not congestion-inducing, unlimited-rate bandwidth. The summary wording may not have been the greatest, but I think it's pretty uncontroversial that not worrying about paying by the byte does free people to innovate in services.

  11. Fore !! by Joebert · · Score: 2, Funny
    "New Scientist is reporting that NASA's Mars Opportunity rover has freed itself from the sandy soil that ensnared it for more than a week. This is the second time the rover has gotten bogged down in a Martian sand trap. Both times, the rover has managed to escape to solid bedrock by churning its wheels in reverse."

    http://www.nasa.gov/audience/forstudents/5-8/featu res/F_Better_Game_of_Golf.html

    I try to tell them all they need is to put some backspin on it to avoid thoose sand traps, but do they listen ?
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    1. Re:Fore !! by LandruBek · · Score: 1

      Well, for years I've been advising them to reverse the polarity whenever anything goes wrong, and as you can see, it worked. -- Geordi La Forge

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    2. Re:Fore !! by celotil · · Score: 1

      Well, for years I've been advising them to reverse the polarity whenever anything goes wrong, and as you can see, it worked. -- Geordi La Forge

      In response to the humorous link, I offer this bit of advice.

      Everything you ever wanted to know about diplomacy, relationships, and what is the universe's best dishes, can be found in Firefly, Farscape, and, without question the epitome of high-class examples to train any man wishing to learn the etiquette for all situations, Red Dwarf.

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      This post severely off-topic to counter the deep gravitational well of sheer drudge brought up by the various items of today's /back.

      I feel so annoyed.

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    3. Re:Fore !! by sgt+scrub · · Score: 1

      Everybody knows if you dig out some of the sand behind the wheels with a frisbee you can roll right out. This is what NASA gets for their all work and no play mentality.

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    4. Re:Fore !! by Samurai · · Score: 1

      Somebody get K'breel on the line. His agents let the rover escape again!

  12. Jolley's folly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Sen. Clark Jolley, R-Edmond, the Senate author of the legislation, said revisions he had made to the bill were well received by those who had originally opposed it, but that after making the changes, the companies backing the measure -- which had included Microsoft and Symantec Corp. -- opposed it."


    Translation: My corporate masters are not pleased.
    1. Re:Jolley's folly by greenrd · · Score: 1
      No, his corporate masters are well pleased - his corporate masters are apparently pro-spyware!

  13. RIM would not favor unlimited bandwidth. Of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    The Blackberry is text based. It is a very efficient way to communicate bandwidth wise. Naturally, RIM thinks limited bandwidth is a good thing. It's sort of like the rat catcher badmouthing cats, innit?

  14. Wired's source unrelated to the court order? by DataPath · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I thought that Wired DIDN'T violate the court ordered seal on the documents because the court order only prevented parties to the case from releasing the documents available to them by means of the case, and couldn't possibly apply to third-party sources that have the documents and aren't part of the case.

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    1. Re:Wired's source unrelated to the court order? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Not quite right, but close enough.

      The court order sealed the documents submitted the case, but SPECIFICALLY DID NOT prevent the plaintiff from speaking about the details of the case to the media.

      So the plaintiff provided documents and facts to the media, which was kosher. The media, which, incidentally HAD NO WAY OF VERIFYING if those documents and facts were similar to those under seal, then reported the information they received.

      Whether the plaintiff skirted the rules by providing exact duplicates of the sealed documents to the media is unknown. Whether that was even wrong I can't say--he was explicitly given permission to talk to the media about the case after all, over AT&T's objections. The only thing that I know for sure is that since Wired didn't (and still doesn't, and can't) know if the documents they published are the same as those under seal, the only person who I can say is definitely not behaving badly in this whole affair is Wired News.

      Interestingly, AT&T's actions are a strong hint to the public that the documents sealed and the documents published are at least very similar. So, from a practical point of view, AT&T has done more to leak the sealed documents than Wired News. Wired just said "here are some relevant documents". It was AT&T who said "those are the sealed documents!"

    2. Re:Wired's source unrelated to the court order? by Bodhidharma · · Score: 3, Funny

      And why is AT&T so upset. If they have nothing to hide....

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  15. huzzah wired by illuminatedwax · · Score: 1

    Seriously, a member of the media taking such a bold stand against government and corporations these days? I thought the Cubs would win the World Series first.

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  16. Erm... by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1
    Customers of the recently introduced Lenovo 3000 units still won't have a preloaded option, however, because the small and midsize business customers that are the targets for those units have many different requirements

    Emphasis mine, of course.

    So, in corporate retardo-speak, "many different requirements" now means you should reduce the number of options?

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  17. so will MS desktop search be flagged as adware ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    as it shows adverts from unknown third parties (kanoodle) who will share your personal information with other unknown companies ("partners")

    Kanoodle are the scumbags who clog up Google with their link farms
    and from the article they are quite open that they will share your personal data with others and offer no promises (though for those in the EU, privacy laws will probably stop that)

    so heres looking forward to adding live.com to our firewalls and flagging their software as hostile as well as expecting our security vendors to flag it as adware/Trojan_downloader and offer removal facilities

  18. RIM wouldn't want unlimited networking by topham · · Score: 3, Insightful

    RIM wouldn't want unlimited networking available to just anyone.

    They prefer to negotiate with the carriers so their users can have unlimited network access, while everyone else pays through the nose.

    A little self-interest in limited access to the wireless network. No surprise.

  19. Geeksquad... by a_greer2005 · · Score: 1

    and Symantec and McCafy and and the like have loads to gain from spy/virus ware being a wild west lawless wnciornment.

  20. I was one of the LA anti-DRM protestors by Sanity · · Score: 4, Insightful
    There was a very small group of us, but despite being kicked out almost immediately, we did manage to flier a number of people, and attract some attention.

    Personally, I think DBD should continue to target Apple, rather than moving on to movie studios, since the media companies (with the exception of Sony) couldn't impose DRM without the cooperation of companies like Apple.

    Lessons learned from the protest:

    • Don't organize a protest on private property (such as in a mall), security can and almost certainly will ask you to leave
    • Spend more than 2 days organizing it so that you can attract more people - possibly contact local user groups likely to be sympathetic
    1. Re:I was one of the LA anti-DRM protestors by QuantumG · · Score: 1

      I think most of us applaud you for going out and trying to inform people that DRM exists and is not the only way, but I gotta ask, if I'm willing to give up my fair use rights and buy a DRM enabled device, what concern is it to you? The stated goal of Defective By Design is the abolition of DRM as a social practice. Why? If the content owners are only willing to distribute their works on devices that are DRM enabled then why shouldn't I be free to decide if I want to support them in doing so by buying a DRM enabled device. For many people the choice is between having no content available from these owners or to have it only available on DRM enabled devices. Some of us choose not to buy these devices because we value our fair use rights, others choose to buy these devices because they do not. You, as someone who chooses not to buy these devices, seem to care how many of each there are. Perhaps you think that the content owners will come around to your way of thinking and not require the devices they distribute their works on to be DRM enabled, and they will do so only if significantly more people refuse to buy DRM enabled devices. As such, you're asking people to care about their fair use rights for the sole reason that it will benefit you. I don't understand why they should.

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    2. Re:I was one of the LA anti-DRM protestors by Watson+Ladd · · Score: 1

      But they won't be worse off and might even be better off if they do.

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    3. Re:I was one of the LA anti-DRM protestors by colmore · · Score: 1

      Also for a general advocacy protest (where civil dissobedience is innapropriate -- as it generally is unless you are attempting to directly interfere with a police or state action) register your event. If you're large enough, the cops have every right to break up your demonstration for obstructing traffic.

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    4. Re:I was one of the LA anti-DRM protestors by QuantumG · · Score: 1

      Of course they'll be worse off. They won't have access to the content that is only available on DRM enabled devices. That's why they're willing to buy these devices in the first place.

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    5. Re:I was one of the LA anti-DRM protestors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the content owners are only willing to distribute their works on devices that are DRM enabled


      They're not content owners. Copyright is not given on the basis that there is any natural property rights in works -- it's a purely utilitarian incentive. They are copyright holders -- holders of limited artificial monopolies, granted with the understanding that the public retains certain rights during the copyright period, and that the works will return to fully copyable public domain after that period.


      DRM undermines the "social bargain" (we do something nice that we're not required to do for you; you return the favor).


      Just because you personally don't mind DRM, doesn't mean that everyone else should give up their free speech rights, stop pointing out the problems with DRM, and stop calling for change.

    6. Re:I was one of the LA anti-DRM protestors by hysterion · · Score: 1
      if I'm willing to give up my fair use rights and buy a DRM enabled device, what concern is it to you? If the content owners are only willing to distribute their works on devices that are DRM enabled then why shouldn't I be free to decide if I want to support them in doing so by buying a DRM enabled device.
      Because its' not only about what's being produced now, i.e. artists you might influence by voting with you wallet. Copyrights have also been acquired on large parts of XXth century cultural history -- such as almost all the music and movies. DRM+ever expanding copyrights can effectively lock that away from the public domain. This you cannot influence with your wallet; only by not supporting it through your own law makers, government, courts, and ultimately police.
    7. Re:I was one of the LA anti-DRM protestors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      If the content owners are only willing to distribute their works on devices that are DRM enabled then why shouldn't I be free to decide if I want to support them in doing so by buying a DRM enabled device. For many people the choice is between having no content available from these owners or to have it only available on DRM enabled devices. Some of us choose not to buy these devices because we value our fair use rights, others choose to buy these devices because they do not.
      1. DRM allows who you call the content owners to expand the limited power granted to them by copyright. Copyright is a tradeoff and limited for a reason, allowing it to be unilaterally expanded turns the tradeoff into a ripoff. Note that this is primarily possible by laws that make breaking DRM illegal (like the DMCA).

      2. Your conclusions are based on the assumptions of an informed customer, meaning, the potential buyer of a DRM-crippled device is fully informed about the consequences of using it (like, for example, the power of the DRM authorities to revoke his viewing "privileges" at any time) and then, despite that, decides to buy the device anyway.
      This assumption, while it would be a desireable situation since I'm rather sure a lot of people would reject to buy the device in that case, is unfortunately not based on reality. Most people do not know about DRM, the abuses they may suffer under it and so on and will only find out about it later once they become victims of it. The manufacturer of the DRM-crippled device has naturally no incentive to inform the customer, on the contrary, there is a strong incentive to deceive him about the actual consequences. Considering this strong incentive and the considerable advertisement budget of the manufacturer which are both aimed at deceiving the customer about the DRM, it is hard to inform the potential customers about the problems of DRM, which prevents them to decide freely on the issue since they cannot make a rational decision based on deceitful messages.
    8. Re:I was one of the LA anti-DRM protestors by QuantumG · · Score: 1

      You almost made an argument there. I could almost feel it. What are you trying to say? That DRM should be banned because it prevents works now under copyright from entering the public domain? That's a pretty silly argument isn't it? I mean, why not just pass a law that states that copyright holders must release their work from DRM when the copyright expires. Even better, why not require that copyright holders register a non-DRM copy of ttheir work with a library now.

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    9. Re:I was one of the LA anti-DRM protestors by hysterion · · Score: 1
      why not just pass a law that states that copyright holders must release their work from DRM when the copyright expires. Even better, why not require that copyright holders register a non-DRM copy of ttheir work with a library now.
      That, I'd be fine with :-) Note then, that it will take more than just "voting with our wallets".
    10. Re:I was one of the LA anti-DRM protestors by QuantumG · · Score: 1

      And yet people are not protesting for their rights, they're protesting against DRM.

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    11. Re:I was one of the LA anti-DRM protestors by Halvy · · Score: 0

      You forgot the most important thing..

      FIREPOWER to overtake anyone who tries to stop the protest.

      That is unless, you don't mind getting pepper sprayed, arrested or worse.

      That is one thing I can never understand about most protests.. that they KNOW they are going to be 'over powered', not matter how NICE they are, and yet they still come UNPREPARED!!

      In fact, the 'NICER' they are, the more the pigs 'clamp' down on them.

      Either come prepared, like they did in Seattle a few years ago, or stay at home and wait for the SYSTEM to colapse under it's own weight.. which it is mighty close to doing anyway, thank God.


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    12. Re:I was one of the LA anti-DRM protestors by Todd+Knarr · · Score: 1

      My opinion: DRM should be banned unless it complies with all of copyright law. That includes things like the length of copyright. If copyright law says the work passes into the public domain 70 years after the creator's death, then the DRM should allow the work to pass into the public domain then or be considered itself in violation of copyright law. The problem is that current DRM doesn't honor all of copyright law, only those parts the RIAA/MPAA want to have enforced.

    13. Re:I was one of the LA anti-DRM protestors by QuantumG · · Score: 1

      WTF? I fail to understand how 'pass into the public domain' came to mean 'have no barriers to copying'. If the only copy you have of a work that is in the public domain is burdened by DRM, break the damn DRM. It's not like it's going to be hard to break it 70 years after it was invented. Jesus.

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    14. Re:I was one of the LA anti-DRM protestors by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      Don't organize a protest on private property (such as in a mall), security can and almost certainly will ask you to leave

      I think they just need to make it appear quite unreasonable when security asks them to leave. While they have every legal right to do so, if they ask people to leave when they're not causing a problem, and simply making a legitimate point, it offends a lot of people's sense of fair play.

    15. Re:I was one of the LA anti-DRM protestors by badfish99 · · Score: 1

      It's going to be a long time before current copyrights expire. If the term is extended again, it may be hundreds of years. A law requiring someone to do something in a hundred years time is not likely to be effective.
      Registering just one non-DRM copy is not likely to be much use either. If the copyright owners have any sense, they will choose the cheapest, nastiest brand of CDRW they can find. It will be unreadable after hundreds of years, even if CD technology still exists.

    16. Re:I was one of the LA anti-DRM protestors by QuantumG · · Score: 1

      Libraries already have the right to media shift works to maintain their integrity.

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    17. Re:I was one of the LA anti-DRM protestors by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

      I think they just need to make it appear quite unreasonable when security asks them to leave.

      And how, pray tell, is one supposed to do that? If one is on private property and one is asked to leave by the owners or their representatives, one must leave or be subject to arrest for trespass. Nothing unreasonable about that, and I don't know how you can make it seem unreasonable.

      The FSF has stated that they were not engaging in civil disobedience, just a simple protest/demonstration. This was at best a weak first effort, but hopefully they've learned a bit that they can apply to the next demo (such as avoiding the shopping malls, which is really a no brainer).

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    18. Re:I was one of the LA anti-DRM protestors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it offends a lot of people's sense of fair play

      Ha! I get it! Fair Play! Quality pun, man.

    19. Re:I was one of the LA anti-DRM protestors by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      If one is on private property and one is asked to leave by the owners or their representatives, one must leave or be subject to arrest for trespass. Nothing unreasonable about that, and I don't know how you can make it seem unreasonable.

      These people are causing no problem. The Mall may well be private property, but it is still a public place. People who go there generally don't see it as private property because it's such a public area. They have a legitimate complaint and they're being barred from speaking about it in a location where they may be heard.

      Why should people's freedom of speech be barred just because they're on private property?

    20. Re:I was one of the LA anti-DRM protestors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These people are causing no problem.
      Apparently they were. Loitering can be a problem.

      The Mall may well be private property, but it is still a public place.
      No, if it's private property then it's private property.

      People who go there generally don't see it as private property because it's such a public area.
      Doesn't matter what they think. Private property is private property even if you don't like that fact.

      They have a legitimate complaint and they're being barred from speaking about it in a location where they may be heard.
      You have no right to be heard. I'm tired of everything being considered a "right" when it would otherwise be an inconvenience to comply.

      Why should people's freedom of speech be barred just because they're on private property?
      Umm, because it's PRIVATE PROPERTY. Why is this so hard to understand?

      Bottom line: it's still private property even if you really really really don't like that idea. Your house is on a public street, so does that make your house public property because it's in such a public location. I mean, why would private property be on a public street? Inconceivable!

    21. Re:I was one of the LA anti-DRM protestors by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

      I still don't understand how you plan to make trespass "appear reasonable" in this circumstance, as you suggested.

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    22. Re:I was one of the LA anti-DRM protestors by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      Apparently they were. Loitering can be a problem.

      That's weaselling out of it. They're not thrown because they're loitering. They're thrown out because they have an objection to the practices of a customer of the Mall.

      No, if it's private property then it's private property.

      Is there a sign saying no entry? A locked door? Anything to indicate that these people aren't welcome? If you were to strip naked there, would this be acceptable because it's private property? Chances are you could be prosecuted for public indecency. It's both private property and a public place. It is open to all of the public.

      Doesn't matter what they think. Private property is private property even if you don't like that fact.

      YES IT DOES!!!! This is the entire pooint of my argument. If people in general see it as a public place, then they will sympathise with people who are thrown out of a public place by private goons for excercising freedom of speech.

      You have no right to be heard. I'm tired of everything being considered a "right" when it would otherwise be an inconvenience to comply.

      No. You're missing the point again. If they make it clear that they are effectively being gagged, then they may well use this to gain public support.

      Umm, because it's PRIVATE PROPERTY. Why is this so hard to understand?

      So? This still begs the question. Why shouldn't people have freedom of speech on private proprty that's open to the public?

      Bottom line: it's still private property even if you really really really don't like that idea. Your house is on a public street, so does that make your house public property because it's in such a public location. I mean, why would private property be on a public street? Inconceivable!

      This is a silly argument. The street is public because it is open to the public. My house isn't because it isn't.

    23. Re:I was one of the LA anti-DRM protestors by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      Because it's trespass based on a legal technicality. Not based on on public perception.

    24. Re:I was one of the LA anti-DRM protestors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is your house NOT public yet you feel a mall IS? Oh, your house locks? Hmm, so does the mall.

      What I am hearing here is "Private property should only be allowed when it doesn't inconvienience me".

      Sure, you get freedom of speech. The person who owns property also has the freedom to throw your butt out.

      Let me repeat: You do not have a right to be heard

      It doesn't matter if you feel someplace SHOULD be public.

      This is a silly argument. The street is public because it is open to the public. My house isn't because it isn't.
      Why? Your lawn is open from the street. So, I should be able to stand on your lawn and say anything I want. It's not like you have a lock on your lawn or anything. Besides, your grass looks just like the grass at the park and since the park is public then your lawn must be too, right? If it wasn't public then why would you have gone and put it right up against a public street? I feel that negates any sort of "claim" on your part for private property, so if someone wants to pitch a tent in your front lawn then that is their Constitutional right. Do you agree?

    25. Re:I was one of the LA anti-DRM protestors by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      Nice straw man you've got there. Burns nicely doesn't it. Unfortunately, your rebuttal is only a rebuttal tyo your own arguments.

      So, let me ask you this - Why is it that if your lawn is private property, and a Mall is private property, people feel a perfectly valid right to wander into a mall, and just amble about the place, whereas they don't feel that way about your lawn?

      What I am hearing here is "Private property should only be allowed when it doesn't inconvienience me".

      Really? What I'm saying is that if you open up your private property to the public, then you have created a public place. Don't like people being in your Mall? Well then, close it. Allow people in by explicit invitation only.

    26. Re:I was one of the LA anti-DRM protestors by prizog · · Score: 2, Informative

      Bottom line: it's still private property even if you really really really don't like that idea.

      Not in California. See this case.

    27. Re:I was one of the LA anti-DRM protestors by prizog · · Score: 1

      DRM gives us strictly less than plain old copyright. If the choices from the content-distributor's perspective are: (1) don't distribute; (2) distribute under plain old copyright; (3) distribute under DRM, they will always choose the latter. But if the choices are only 1 or 2, we think very few will choose 2. What, you think Disney's just going to stop making movies? They didn't do so when VHS was all there was.

      We think a world in which choice 3 doesn't exist is strictly better for media users. In such a world, we can design and develop devices with the features we choose.

      So, DbD is alerting media users to their own interest.

    28. Re:I was one of the LA anti-DRM protestors by Sanity · · Score: 1
      if I'm willing to give up my fair use rights and buy a DRM enabled device, what concern is it to you?
      Most of the problem is that many people who buy DRM devices only become aware of the restrictions after they have made their purchase. Furthermore, many people aren't aware that these devices often prevent you from doing things that are perfectly legal.

      My goal in participating in the DBD protests is to achieve the abolition of DRM by persuading people that it is in their interests not to buy devices that use DRM, and persuade companies like Apple that it is not in their interests to sell them.

    29. Re:I was one of the LA anti-DRM protestors by silicon+not+in+the+v · · Score: 1
      WTF? I fail to understand how 'pass into the public domain' came to mean 'have no barriers to copying'.

      You're making an assumption about the definition of barriers. You are thinking of physical, practical barriers, where the only consideration is, "Is it possible?" The other kind are legal barriers, where there is the consideration of, "Are you allowed to?" That is why the anti-DRM people are protesting. More on that below:

      If the only copy you have of a work that is in the public domain is burdened by DRM, break the damn DRM. It's not like it's going to be hard to break it 70 years after it was invented. Jesus.

      Except that, again, you are not understanding the legal barrier side. Due to some of the evil provisions in the DMCA, breaking DRM protection is against the law, even if the material has expired from its copyright.

      The concept of DRM as a practical barrier to stop copying is ludicrous on its face, although the media cartels don't seem to understand this. The large scale commercial infringers who care nothing for the law will be able to break the DRM if they want to. DRM is only effective coupled with legal barriers against it. The big problem that is worth protesting is that legal protection for DRM is redundant with legal protection for copyright. It puts up some smoke and mirrors so that the cartels can equate breaking DRM with breaking copyright, when they're actually not a 1 to 1 correlation. What is actually happening is legislating a different action to be illegal, when it really shouldn't be. Breaking DRM itself is an amoral action--neither good nor bad.

      So that's why DRM is idiodic, but here are the things it accomplishes that they do want.
      1. It obviously legislates more profit for themselves. By criminalizing time-shifting and format-shifting and several other actions that are legal under copyright law, it forces a lot of people to re-purchase media that they have already purchased in other forms.
      2. A lot (but not all) of DRM breaking is because of people infringing copyright. Copyright infringement itself is a bit hard to find and prove. DRM breaking, however, because of the machine aspect of it, is a lot easier to find and prove. So they want it all to be one bucket: the easy to find action is now the crime, rather than containing some that's crime and some that isn't, which would be hard to sort through.
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    30. Re:I was one of the LA anti-DRM protestors by QuantumG · · Score: 1

      Due to some of the evil provisions in the DMCA, breaking DRM protection is against the law, even if the material has expired from its copyright.

      That's outright false. Thanks for playing.

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    31. Re:I was one of the LA anti-DRM protestors by badfish99 · · Score: 1

      I didn't know that. But libraries also tend to be short of money and resources to do that sort of thing.

  21. The DMA by tepples · · Score: 1
    I'm kinda wondering if the spyware, adware and spam industries themselves aren't lobbying.

    Three words: Direct Marketing Association.

  22. SKUs cost money by tepples · · Score: 1
    So, in corporate retardo-speak, "many different requirements" now means you should reduce the number of options?

    It costs more to make and keep more SKUs in a warehouse. If a particular market segment requires so many different SKUs that serving the segment is unprofitable, then not serving the segment maximizes return to shareholders.

  23. spyware protection is logical by sciencecneisc · · Score: 1

    spyware is a crime. they are hiding things and forcing them onto our personal property. the government should not be the only protection but it should make these crimes prosecutable.

  24. Flat rate unlimited is one cause of innovation by kbahey · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Actually, let us look at a parallel here.

    The internet started as dialup, and took too different paths in separate parts of the world.

    In North America, local calls are free, and dialing a local number for internet access was one reason why the net became so popular and successful, and why lots of innovation happens in the USA as far as the net is concerned.

    In most of the rest of the world, local phone calls are not free, and therefore the internet is metered. People using dialup have to be aware of the time they spend on the net, lest they run up the bill (think BBS's in another area code that you call long distance).

    So, did unlimited dialup access spur innovation? I think so. Would the same be true for wireless? You bet!

    Look at how cell phones are doing in North America vs. the world. The world has GSM where you are not tied to a provider you buy the handset from, and you do not pay for received calls. The contrary is true in North America.

    Greed is the barrier to innovation.

    1. Re:Flat rate unlimited is one cause of innovation by Screwy1138 · · Score: 2, Informative

      So, did unlimited dialup access spur innovation? I think so. Would the same be true for wireless? You bet!

      It's not the same though, with dialup, you had your own personal copper, your bandwidth all to yourself. With wireless, you don't have that, you have a finite total bandwidth based on a finite number of frequencies that everyone shares.

      Those who disagree, don't deny there is a limited amount of bandwidth, they argue that technology will continue to increase bandwidth at the rate, or greater, than demand. But will that be the case? Increasing bandwidth in limited frequencies is not as easy as adding new fiber lines or, to compare it to data storage increases, making bigger hard drives.

      I don't know who is right, but I'm skeptical that total bandwidth availability will increase as fast as demand. However, we do have a large buffer of room to work with, for now.

    2. Re:Flat rate unlimited is one cause of innovation by SaDan · · Score: 2, Informative
      Look at how cell phones are doing in North America vs. the world. The world has GSM where you are not tied to a provider you buy the handset from, and you do not pay for received calls. The contrary is true in North America.


      Last time I checked, if you didn't want to take advantage of promotional pricing for a new phone through your carrier, you could always buy the phone retail. In other words, much like GSM phones, "unlocked" or retail CDMA phones can be used on just about any CDMA carrier. GSM phones can be locked or incompatible with some GSM carriers too, you know.

      As for not paying for received calls, that's a feature of your wireless service provider, not GSM.

      Some info on the differences between GSM and CDMA:

      http://www.pctoday.com/Editorial/article.asp?artic le=articles/2006/t0401/24t01/24t01.asp&guid=

    3. Re:Flat rate unlimited is one cause of innovation by jagilbertvt · · Score: 2

      Just a quick FYI... local calls are not free in all parts of North America (or the USA for that matter). In VT, there are local per minute costs upto a cap of about $20. put this on top of the $30-40 normal phone bill (not including long distance) and you're talking $50-$60 + $20 for local internet access. It certainly isn't cheap.

      Thankfully dialup access is a little cheaper now, but phone lines certainly arent. I'm sure this is certainly helping VOIP + Cable (though only maybe 20% of the state can get cable).

    4. Re:Flat rate unlimited is one cause of innovation by RomulusNR · · Score: 1

      In terms of subscribers, GSM is approaching par with CDMA in North America. OTOH, there tends to be handset network locking, at least for a while after purchase, but that's because the providers subsidize the phones.

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  25. Uh, no. by jd · · Score: 3, Informative
    If you're a corporation, you might buy a T1, T3 or even a T4 line. (No sane person buys T2, as fractional T3 is usually going to be cheaper.) You might even buy a service plan that "guarantees" you a certain AVERAGE bit-rate (except that there are so many get-out clauses that the guarantee isn't worth the paper it is written on), but you NEVER pay per packet, and CERTAINLY NEVER pay per bit.


    (The closest I've ever seen to a pay-per-packet scheme was the old Packet Switch Stream service from British Telecom, which charged per connection to the X.25 exchange AND per minute of connection AND per K of data sent AND per unit of time you spent on the phone line to use their bloody server in the first place. Sure, there's a per-K in there, but it was so small as to be a negliagible fraction of the total cost. And that WAS to end-users, so even there the claim is incorrect.)


    Peer-to-Peer backbone routing is usually at a nominal cost, as the whole idea of peering is that each network accesses the other networks equally in all directions with no bias or preference. Of course, if the preferential service system goes into effect, the entire backbone will collapse. It's impossible to have preferential service in a totally peer-based network.

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    1. Re:Uh, no. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WTF is a T2 and a T4 ?

    2. Re:Uh, no. by jd · · Score: 2, Informative
      T2 and T4 are different speed connections, similar to the more common T1 and T3 lines. The speeds are as follows:
      • T1: 1544 kbps +/- 50 ppm
      • T1c: 3152 kbps +/- 50 ppm
      • T2: 6312 kbps +/- 50 ppm
      • T3: 44736 kbps +/- 50 ppm
      • T4: 274760 kbps +/- 50 ppm

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    3. Re:Uh, no. by AnyoneEB · · Score: 1

      Actually, they do exist.

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    4. Re:Uh, no. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've never seen any US carrier selling a T2 or a T4.

      T1
      multiple T1s
      T3
      DS3
      OC3
      OC12
      Gigabit Ethernet
      OC48
      OC192

    5. Re:Uh, no. by iminplaya · · Score: 1
      It's impossible to have preferential service in a totally peer-based network.
      And that's exactly what the owers of the pipe want. They and our governments don't want the continuesd existance of peer based networks. It's too hard to control the information that passes over such a network. No siree, if you want to keep the propaganda machine alive, you can't have just anybody uploading their subversive ideas for all to see. The tiered internet is about regaining this control. It isn't just about the money. And that's why it's so dangerous. Hopefully wireless mesh can take care of this little problem, in addition to protecting the users from people who like to snoop around. Like it or not, there will be two internets. The client-server corporate net for the lemmings and the adhoc, wireless, P2P net for the "criminals".
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    6. Re:Uh, no. by jd · · Score: 1
      I've scoured the Internet to find even a single US carrier that sells T2 or T4 lines. They don't, although they do use these standards internally, and they sell the equiptment for supporting these standards to anyone who asks. My only guess is that there simply isn't enough demand for the speeds those lines provide to warrant running the lines for general use.


      Having said that, since they use the standards internally, and since they are mandated under law to open up their COs (other than the optic fibre) to ISPs, and since the equiptment to run these lines is available on the open market, it would seem only a matter of time before companies needing lines faster than single T1 or T3 would simply create their own spin-off pseudo-ISP and run the T2/T4 lines themselves, where they're close enough to the CO to make this economic to do.

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    7. Re:Uh, no. by Lord+Kestrel · · Score: 1

      When you're running larger than a T3, you just move to an OC3. You need new hardware, but it's well worth the increase in bandwidth, and when you're talking about needing those size of pipes, the hardware is a pittance.

  26. (I should have added a link to that) by jd · · Score: 1

    The full description of the speeds and characteristics of the lines can be found on any number of technical websites. I cribbed the speeds from Made IT. CompTech have a nice intro/overview as well.

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  27. My take on this stuff by jhylkema · · Score: 1

    Just my $0.02 worth. Not meant as a troll, just me calling it as I see it.

    Oklahoma's Spyware Bill dies a quiet death.

    What do you expect from a bunch of dumb Okies? I'll look on the bright side: When their computers are so infected with malware as to be unusable, they won't be able to go to Republican hate sites.

    Lenovo denies ditching Linux . . . 'Customers of the recently introduced Lenovo 3000 units still won't have a preloaded option, however, because the small and midsize business customers that are the targets for those units have many different requirements, he said.'"

    More like, "because Lenovo would rather not pay full retail for XP."

    Mars rover escapes again.
    Isn't it interesting how the lion's share of the cool space-related stuff is unmanned? Even more reason to kill the Shuttle program.

    RIM CEO speaks out against unlimited wireless . . . "unlimited bandwidth use in the wireless world is needed because access to the network is what spurs innovation."'"
    Access to the network is what spurs people's Crackberry habits. I'd really like a toke off of whatever he's smoking.

    Microsoft LiveMail gets ads. . . . Similar to Google's Gmail
    Next, they'll lobby Congress to make it illegal to use anything but LiveMail. Don't forget, Google hates America and Linux supports terrorism.

    FSF anti-DRM campaign expands.
    I'm sure it will be least as successful, if not timely, as the GNU HURD project.

    1. Re:My take on this stuff by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

      Isn't it interesting how the lion's share of the cool space-related stuff is unmanned? Even more reason to kill the Shuttle program.

      The budget for NASA's environmental science program has been eviscerated and several projects (including one sat that was completed and waiting for launch) have been killed so that the Shuttle program can continue. That'll show those namby-pamby hippy Global Warming types who's The Decider!

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    2. Re:My take on this stuff by seanmeister · · Score: 1

      >telnet www.shelleytherepublican.com
      Linux 2.4.32-grsec+f6b+gr217+nfs+a32+fuse23+++opt+c6+gr2 b-v6.192 (oreo.dreamhost.com) (0)
      oreo login:

  28. what is profitable, and when is it profitable? by zogger · · Score: 1

    10 years ago we had no hybrid vehicles on the market (major manufacturers). None of the domestic big three thought there would ever be a market for them, they sold zero...today? Fastest growing market segment. While they waited around and just kept building the same old things with some new shiny different looking sheetmetal and gas hog engines, toyota came in and grabbed early lead-and they are a profitable company, as opposed to the domestic big three which are bleeding red ink daily and just recently starting to offer some half baked hybrids.

    Stuff changes and the computer industry changes much faster than cars=big vendors who are ignoring linux are doing so at their own peril. It may not be profitable this quarter or next quarter, but eventually it will be a considerable chunk of market share.

    Here's another one none of the big boys are looking at, the hundred buck (whatever) laptop. That thing is going to run linux. Not windows, not osx, linux. Think eventually hundreds of millions of units all over the planet and..linux.

      Once it is introduced that *flavor* of linux will be the most installed distro on the planet within short order (it will certainly top any of the current top ten by vast numbers would be my guess, maybe even combined...). All those millions of kids are going to be cutting their teeth on linux and open source, and a lot will rub off, and they are in where the world will be growing the fastest and where the new emerging markets will be. Yes, this is some years, but..it's going to happen.

    Stockholders who only look at this quarters financials are *nuts*, IMO.. It's a part, sure, but to think it is even the most important part is sorta economically naieve. Companies that succeed look to the long haul, even if it means supporting some "new thing" isn't all that profitable right off the bat. The trick is to spot trends, and it is safe to say trend-wise that linux isn't going away anytime soon and ignoring it will not be a smooth move by the big guys, because some *won't* ignore it and those are the ones that will be getting the business down the road. A lot of business.

  29. It's highly ironic that the FSF is protesting DRM by Brett+Glass · · Score: 1

    The FSF which has been threatening for years to modify the GPL so that anyone who OFFERS A SERVICE (e.g. an ASP) that uses GPLed software must abide by all sorts of special rules and restrictions. What is this but "pay per use" -- exactly what DRM does?

  30. US data market is different by billstewart · · Score: 1
    Nobody actually uses T2 - and nobody in the US implements it. There are various NxT1 solutions that carriers use to bond T1s together, often getting 6+ Mbps, but it's not T2.

    Fractional T3 (except for NxT1) isn't a realistic concept either, because there aren't standards for it that are comparable to Fractional T1. Again, some carriers do things with muxes to derive NxT1 from a T3, but that's not really fractional T3, or they do Frame Relay or ATM to get intermediate speeds.

    A very common pricing structure _is_ usage-dependent, defining usage by speed, though not by bytes transferred. Carriers measure bandwidth usage at some interval, typically 5 minutes, and charge based on the 95th percentile of bandwidth usage. It's fairly common for speeds above T1 - either you pay for straight 95th percentile usage, or you commit to N Mbits at some price, and pay extra if your 95th percentile is above that.

    But yes, measured pricing resembling Blackberry's is totally unrealistic for data users - the amounts of data we need are different, and the quantities of data we need don't fit well into any pricing structure that also includes Blackberry-mail, because either one end is too high to be economically usable, or the other end is too low to make money so why bother.

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    1. Re:US data market is different by jd · · Score: 1
      Actually, the T* standards are American. :) The Europeans use a similar system, but denote the lines as E1 through E4. The best information I have been able to obtain is that T2 and T4 are indeed implemented in the US but only internally within telecom companies. Why this is the case is unclear, as T2 and T4 devices exist on the open market - you can find them in many electronics catalogs that deal with high-speed networking. However, I assume that it is because T2 would yield lower profit margins than T3, and too few people would need T4 speeds to make it a profitable market.


      You are correct on the speed ratings, although as I noted in my earlier post, telecom companies are extremely good at worming their way out of any agreements they violate (even when they are superb at getting the companies that buy the lines to cough up any overcharges).

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    2. Re:US data market is different by billstewart · · Score: 1
      I _am_ quite familiar with the T and E standards, having worked in the telecom industry for a few decades... But there are in fact countries outside the US that aren't part of Europe - Most of the world uses E1 and E3, Japan uses T1 and has a 6 Mbps J2 standard, Taiwan uses T1s, and also you can get T3s in much of Europe including parts of the UK near London. Canada uses T1, Mexico mostly uses E1.

      The T1/T2/T3/T4 bundling was fairly similar to the analog transmission hierarchy that we used before getting digital transmission, and maybe some of the digital radio technology found it useful before we got fiber, but it turns out that T2 doesn't really do enough for you to make it worth building separate mux equipment that supports it. The T3 framing/signalling channels have an option called M13 that does support the bits you need for T2, but the US mostly uses the newer C-Bit options, which don't bother with it (and use those bits to give you more signalling information instead.) Unfortunately, I did recently run into some locations in Canada that still only support M13 for their T3s - the Cisco ATM switch equipment we use only supports C-Bit and not M13. By the way, if you look at Cisco routers and switches, you'll find support for T1, T3, E1, and E3, but I haven't seen anything from them that supports T2 or E2.

      I've seen the term T4 in database work I did back in the early 90s, but I don't think it was actually referring to T4 - it tended to get used to refer 36xT3 format on the FT series G fibers that we used before SONET took over. (SONET's the US variand on the SDH standards used in most of the world.)

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  31. Escape artist Opportunity by thewiz · · Score: 1

    Perhaps NASA should nickname the rover Houdini?

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  32. "A devastating effect on innovation" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    > wireless data services providing unlimited data traffic for a flat monthly rate will have a 'devastating effect on wireless innovation.'

    Yeah, that makes perfect sense.

    Over the past 10 years, the flat monthly rate of cable-modem and DSL service has had a devastating effect on innovation.

    Sadly, the fierce competition between cable-modem and DSL has brought us no innovation.

    Also, experience has shown us again and again that the best course of action is to forbid flexibility in pricing models.

    </sarcasm>

  33. And it's simply *astounding* that Brett Glass... by V.+Mole · · Score: 1

    ...fails to see the difference. Well, not fails, really, but simply once again chooses to misrepresent the FSF and GPL in is long running anti-GPL campaign.

    Brett, of course, knows this, but just in case anyone else is confused: Asking that people who take GPL software, modify it, and use it to externally to make money, to then also redsitribute those changes, is nothing at all like DRM. Nobody is asking ASPs to pay money for the software, or for using the software. Nobody is trying to restrict their use of the software. The ASPs are just being asked to follow the spirit of the GPL (sharing), rathing than using an unforseen loophole in the definition of "distribute".

    Brett disagrees with the basic goal of the GPL, which is fine, but rather than just saying that, and getting on with his life, he somehow feels obliged to make it his life's work to rid the world of the scourge of the GPL, limiting other people's choices about how they choose to license and distribute code they wrote. Hey, that sounds kinda like DRM...

  34. you = uninformed by silicon+not+in+the+v · · Score: 1
    Due to some of the evil provisions in the DMCA, breaking DRM protection is against the law, even if the material has expired from its copyright.

    That's outright false. Thanks for playing.


    No it isn't. Please read the DMCA.
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