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The Power of Accidental Discoveries
schmiddy writes "An article from Wired mentions the surprising number of discoveries that have been made entirely by accident. In an older article, The Discovery Channel's site points out a different subset of inventions that happened by accident. A much older article from PBS goes into more depth on the subject of accidental discoveries, and gives a great quote from physicist Joseph Henry: 'The seeds of great discoveries are constantly floating around us, but they only take root in minds well prepared to receive them.'"
All hail the crispy goodness.
Most of the best food combinations were discovered by accident too..
mmm.. peanut butter & bananas.
If we already knew it, it wouldn't be a discovery.
Yum. :) If I recall correctly, chocolate chip cookies were invented in the late 30s who ran out of bakers' chocolate to make chocolate cookies, and instead added now-standard semi-sweet chocolate chips, assuming they'd melt. They didn't, and the chocolate chip cookie was born. :D
I remember hearing about how Canon discovered inkjet technology when a lab worker accidentally touched an ink-filled syringe with a soldering iron. This idea then became the basis for their bubblejet technology, albeit on a much smaller scale. I've heard this a few times now and have no idea whether it's myth or a true story.
Asimov has a great essay on the topic of accidental discoveries, at least one. I'll try to find which of his books contained it.
But we need patents, because otherwise there won't be any innovation!!1!!eleven!!!!!!
Oh wait, nevermind.
You're forgetting Dr. Albert Hofmann, who gave the world LSD (the wonder drug) which he discovered by acciedent, & wrote a book about his famous bicycle 'trip', hehehe...
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It's no surprise that a lot of discoveries happen by accident. After all, that's more or less why they're called "discoveries," rather than "confirmations."
Sure, there are lots of non-accidental discoveries as well: You test a thousand samples looking a specific enzyme and discover that one of them has it. You take spectra over the course of months for a bunch of stars likely to have planets, analyze them looking for planets, and you discover that one of them has planets. You try to find a quantitative model to explain a bunch of specific data, and you end up finding one.
But most of the time you discover something really new either by getting lucky and stumbling across it or by looking at the world with an new instrument and figuring out the results. Either way, you can't know what it is you're looking for until you've found it.
Unfortunately, most of the examples cited by the articles aren't really discoveries at all. They're inventions. And some aren't really accidental. (The exception is the Nova site, which provides a thorough and engaging look at people expecting to find one thing and finding something else entirely.)
Velcro wasn't an accidental discovery, even according to the description in the article itself. A man picked up a natural object and observed it, noticed a particularly appealing characteristic, and then spent years struggling to reproduce it in a practical commercial product. That's about as non-accidental as you can get. It's a textbook (well, children's book) version of engineering, with no surprises anywhere in sight.
A quote I once heard; Most scientific discoveries don't start with 'eureka', they start from 'hmm... thats odd'.
The first unintended discovery (can any true discovery truly be intentional?) that came to mind was that of jaunting, named after its creator.
My description would pale in comparison to the original, so I won't try. Suffice to say, read this book, be amazed, then look when it was written and be doubly amazed.
We should add the discovery of Intelligent Design as the biggest accident in the history of science.
...the power of your wife accidentally discovering you with another woman.
Isn't there already a word invented to describe this situation?
Years ago I read in a text book that the words spoken at most major discoveries were not "Eureka! I've found it!" but "That's interesting?" or "Oops!".
This has been well known for years by anyone that has done research. It's dramatic stories that make it otherwise. Really, research is quite boring story wise. If your going to tell about how *something* was created a great drive to find "it" is better than accidental discovery.
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Fundamental discoveries are made by accident. One of the best examples of this was Michaelson and Morley's interferometer that they used to measure the speed of light in different directions. A well designed experiment that very accurately measured the speed of light. The experiment objective was to determine the direction through which earth was passing though the "ether", at the time a theoretical media that supported the wave propagation of light. As such the experiment failed because the speed of light was the same regardless of the orientation of the interferometer. A few years later Einstein re-interpreted the results and declared that there was no ether and that the speed of light was a constant. There was nothing wrong with the original experiment, just the interpretation of the result. It was a discovery that changed our understanding of the universe. Years ago I opened a fortune cookie that said "Experience is what you get when you don't get what you want." The universe was telling me to look for a learning opportunities whenever I didn't get an expected result.
I wonder if in an ideal world discoveries made by accident should be patentable?
The way I see it if you put effort and invest a lot of time and money into something, you can patent it and deserve a small amount of exclusivity to your invention in order to pay you back for all you invested. This of course does not include software patents.
But if something is discovered so easily by accident by someone, they have not invested any time or money. It has just come to them by luck, and I think then that should be general knowledge to be used for the good of humans in general, and not kept to one person who has a monopoly on their luck.
A long time ago, in a galaxy far far away...
Scene : Death Star Troops' day room as they are approaching Yavin.
TIE Fighter pilot-1 : Mmmmm... Chocolate.
TIE Fighter pilot-2 : Mmmmm... Peanut butter
Pilot-1 bumps into Pilot-2
Pilot-2 : Hey! You got your chocolate in my peanut butter!
Pilot-1 : You got your peanut butter on my chocolate!
Both taste the new combo. "It's delicious!"
Pilot-1 : You know who would like this? Governor Tarkin.
Pilot-2 : Yeah. He likes chocolate, and he likes peanut butter.
Pilot-1 : Let's bring him some.
Alarm klaxons go off and all fighter pilots are ordered to their ships.
Pilot-2 : As soon as the battle's over.
And so the galaxy would have to wait...
This space unintentionally left blank.
We don't make mistakes, just happy little accidents.
- Bob Ross
My guess is that the first accident induced invention was underwear.
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"Accidental discoveries" are almost always made by outstanding people.
Alexander Fleming got his petri dishes accidentally ruined by mould. Fleming realised that the mould's antibacterial property could be useful and eventually another scientist succeeded in producing penicillin.
What would your average scientist have done in the same circumstances? Cursed his/her luck and thrown away the dish, most likely...
If a discovery is not an accident, it's called an "invention", rather than a discovery. Or a "finding", depending on who's talking.
The truth shall make you fret. (Ankh-Morpork tImes motto)
Too much of research these days is too tightly locked down; specific results must be achievable and there's no wiggle room. While this might make sense from an economists point of view but makes for less innovation. I'm surprised none of the articles mentioned the electron. Totally useless discovery for 20 years but we wouldn't be reading Slashdot without it.
And I tought they were talking politics, like this continent that got in the way to India.
I guess I wouldn't call that an accident. Michaelson-Morley expected to confirm the existance of the aether, but calling the experiment an accident isn't really accurate. It was certainly unexpected, but they definitely were trying to measure the earths movement through the aether.
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Stainless Steel should really have been in that list.
Chance favors the prepared mind.
Both homogenation and pennicillin were discovered when something expected _didn't_ happen. If they were sloppy, they'd never be able to figure out 'what just happened?'.
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A quote from Asimov on the subject:
"The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds the most discoveries, is not Eureka! (I found it!) but 'That's funny...'"
Is that what you where remembering?
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The anecdotal story I heard was the chief metalurgists wife was washing his work clothes and commented on the shiny qualities of the bubbles.
...I obey the laws of physics....
Several 19th-century scientists toyed with the penetrating rays emitted when electrons strike a metal target. But the x-ray wasn't discovered until 1895, when German egghead Wilhelm Röntgen tried sticking various objects in front of the radiation - and saw the bones of his hand projected on a wall.
Perhaps unsurprisingly, he died of cancer.
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no.9 is not an accident. That plant deliberately uses it's stickyness to transport its seeds. The scientist deliberately set out to replicate its effects. Pretty much every aspect of its invention is deliberate.
Its like a jigsaw puzzle ,pieces need to be placed in the correct order .Since this universe is deterministic to only a certain degree and everything seems to be connected. One can look through the individual pieces and pick out patterns that will fit into the big picture.The reason we are not all psychics is because information has a speed limit and everything will decay ,even history has a decay rate, so predicting the future by using the past is only good to a small degree.I would not consider these discoveries as accidents in a deterministic universe.LG
In an instant of revelation that can only be best described as something Albert Einstein may have experienced: "Hey look!... My ass!... A hole in the ground!.. Eureka!"
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A breakthrough in artificial intelligence occurred on 7 June 2006 as a result of tweaking some parameters in open-source AI software.
... this means that the patenting system is a lottery.
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> Too much of research these days is too tightly locked down; specific results must be achievable and there's no wiggle room. While this might make sense from an economists point of view but makes for less innovation.
In the USA there has become a great focus on short-term results, with a resulting unwillingness to invest in longer-term results. Businesses want to optimize the next quarterly report; too much research erodes reportable profits. The Federal govenment wants to reduce spending that doesn't offer someone a direct payoff (practical or political), so publically funded deep research gets cut. (Applied research is still pretty well funded, especially if it's a military application.)
Take the Supercollider. As the number of states being considered for its site decreased, so did the amount of support it got in Congress. The ratio of cost to "political profit" was too high.
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In an alternate train of thought, it's too bad Charles Robert Richet, the French physiologist mentioned in the article, couldn't have experimented on politicians instead of dogs.... Maybe a precident could have been set that
The Russians have won. They have made the world a cesspool of distrust, greed, fear and hate.
Errm... Why?
For that matter, why should I try to "annoy the MSN spider"?
Louis Pasteur's dictum is later: "Chance favors the prepared mind."
The original quote is less pithy: "Dans les champs de l'observation le hasard ne favorise que les esprits préparés" (In the fields of observation chance favors only the prepared mind).
Using microwaves to heat food was supposedly discovered when a candy bar melted in the pocket of a soldier guarding a radar station in the arctic. (No mention of what happened to the soldier's brain... a well prepared mind?) Maybe it doesn't belong on the list with penicillin (neither does viagra).
to err is human, to forgive is divine, to forget is... umm...
Scientist: "The power of accidental discoveries."
Creationist: "The power of the Dark Side."
The higher the technology, the sharper that two-edged sword.
Life itself would appear to be accidental. The evolution of man was also a mainly built on random mutations, read: accidental. Technology is a cog in our evolution so it would only make sense that it worked the same way. Many of the technologies that comprise a space shuttle also were made up of accidental technologies. Its why in life I myself try and do things differently, no accidental life changing epiphanies yet but its worth it to try!
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Reminds me of that cartoon where the caveman inventor had just got done inventing the wheel and proceeded to strap himself on top for a test drive.
Um...alcohol boils at a *lower* temperature than water does. If you "boil the H2O" out of wine, the alcohol's gone long before the H2O is.
Isn't a lot of accidental discovery in these series?
When travelling, it's ok if the airlines lose your emotional baggage.
It takes a trained and bright mind to be able to understand the unexpected or "accidental" in order to make the discovery. I bet lots of people may have faced "accidents" that lead to a discovery but just moved by unable to understand what just happened.
And now try to imagine, how someone found out, that cows give milk...
Often what happens is that someone unfamiliar with an established, accepted process discovers something that was seemingly unnoticed before.
Of course, such a situation causes quite a bit of disruption in the status quo and can make news until the idea guy learns a bit more.
I've seen this happen (and been guilty of it myself). Brilliant conceptual ideas almost always come from people who don't know the complicated details. If there is a lot of ego or money invested in a non-workable idea, that's when marketing gets involved.
For the general reference, see this Wiki article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pringles
But I also have a personal recollection. When in University, I was an engineering student at a major US "ivy league" school. Naturally we had people from industry who would visit on occasion and discuss the ways in which engineering were used in businesses (so as to appear attractive to as as potential career choices for employment). One such presentation was in 1974 or 1975 on Pringles from a guy from Procter & Gamble (don't think it was the inventor, but someone related to the product).
What was interesting was his perspective on the "why" of Pringles. The key points as I remember them are:
- Pringles could be made from "dehydrated cooked potatoes" as the Wiki article mentions. Given that dehydrated potatoes were a _big thing_ in the US in the '60s, there would be an advantage to P&G to do this. (This was the case at least where I lived - part of the whole "prepared foods" marketing effort to get us Boomer children to eat things developed for feeding troops in WWII in many cases / in other words, surplus production capacity - but this my opinion, not what was discussed).
- Pringles needed a differentiator, given this somewhat artifical origin; I expect P&G would understand that Frito-Lays would be able to attack their new product as "unnatural" in some way otherwise (the 70's were a time of some backlash against big business food production, due to communes, big-business backlash, and the early "whole foods" movement - aqain my opinion). The answer was the Pringles can, which would permit production of a uniform size chip and would protect them from breakage, while being much more compact to ship, store, and position on shelves (all quite valuable to both P&G and their customers).
My point here was that Procter & Gamble needed to be able to come up with some "new" angle on the potato chip to gain traction in a competitive marketplace for a new product offering. By combining manufacturing (using pre-processed dehydrated potatoes, so no "green edges", no losses of raw materials due to spoilage, and the ability to buy source material from multiple suppliers as well as share production with manufacturing for dehydrated mashed potatoes / a larger product line at that time) with packaging (uniform chip size in a hardened container, at least as compared with chip bags from Lays and Wise, the main competitors in my area) P&G could offer a chip that maintained its shape and volume in the packaging, while being more resistent to attack by vermin as well as more compact to ship (I still wonder what the cost advantage is to ship an equivalent weight in Pringles compared with regular chips) as well as display. Notice how much less space Pringles take up in a grocery store, compared with Lays (even if there are now many more choices than the "original" flavor and can size)?
This must have been a very successful strategy for P&G, given both the longevity and the continued market presence of Pringles. I bought a can on the airline flight I took home just this past Thursday - the short cans are great for tight spaces where long shelf-life would be valued, such as in airplane food carts or hotel minibars (often see only Pringles on both).
All in all, it was a good lesson to a young engineering student - of both the good and bad aspects of business uses of science and engineering. Since many of the accidential "discoveries" or "products" come from similar confluences of science/engineering/manufacturing/marketing (can you say "Viagra"?), I thought this would be a useful addition to this thread.
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"A researcher in bacteriology, Fleming didn't throw anything away for at least two weeks after he'd worked on it. Instead, he let it sit on his desk for a while, to see whether there was any change in his thinking or in the projects themselves before he scrapped anything."
His discovery was the result of a deliberate, systematic practice.
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You are mistaken. Special Relativity is what you meant (it has to do with velocity). General Relativity has to do with gravitation.
The velcro and vulcanized rubber examples don't really sound like accidents to me. According to the article, those came as a result of some period of directed effort.
Years ago I opened a fortune cookie that said "Experience is what you get when you don't get what you want." The universe was telling me to look for a learning opportunities whenever I didn't get an expected result.
I just wonder what the universe was trying to tell me when I opened a fortune cookie that said "Promote Literacy: Buy a box of fortune cookies today!"
The MBR, essentially a confirmation of the big bang theory of the origin of the universe, was also an accidental discovery.
When Penzias and Wilson tested a very sensitive microwave detector, they found extra "noise" coming from all directions. At first they thought it was bird shit, but it turned out to be the afterglow of the big bang, so severely red-shifted it was in the microwave band.
A much better collection of accidental discoveries can be found in "Serendipity: Accidental Discoveries in Science" by
Royston M. Roberts. Just check out the table of contents on Amazon.
"LSD was pretty much an accident and it happened on Friday, April 16th 1943, in Basle, Switzerland."
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http://www.thegooddrugsguide.com/articles/lsd_acc
Does this mean that more labs are going to hire clutzes?
Table-ized A.I.
No, actually it isn't. You can hardly find it anywhere, these days. I really wish I could...
In cars, safety glass has been completely replaced by "tempered" glass. Now, I don't mind that for the side windows, mirrors, and perhaps the rear window, but it's TERRIBLE windsheild material.
If you've ever had your windsheild get a tiny nick (from a small pebble) which slowly grew into a gigantic crack that spreads across the whole pane, you've experienced the wonders of tempered glass.
For that reason I've tried to find real safety glass, but nobody has it, nor can they order it. I imagine windsheild installers like the increased business they're doing, and don't want to jeopardize it. Tempered glass is perhaps the best example of "you get what you pay for" turning into "you can't get it, because most everybody is stupid and cheap".
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Indeed, one must suppose that the frequency of "accidental" discoveries varies inversely with just how conceptually locked-in funding agencies are. To which, the contemporary answer is "extremely." Parallel to this are suppresed discoveries - I've been given papers never published by researchers famous to their fields that were true, exciting and which they felt "couldn't publish."
a great quote from physicist Joseph Henry: 'The seeds of great discoveries are constantly floating around us, but they only take root in minds well prepared to receive them.'
This is an inelegant paraphrase of Blaise Pascal: "Chance favors the prepared mind," sometimes also attributed to Louis Pasteur.
I would like to have lived in the era of Edison and Menlo Park.
What an amazing time period.
Edison was a determined genius and a good administrator. His inventions (film, audio, electricity, light bulbs - just 3 out of 1200) are still a STAPLE in western society.
Perhaps there will be more like him in the near future. He was a true one-man revolution.
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Edison was a shrewd businessman and marketer, as well. He still has a lot of people fooled, including you, apparently.
Film? I assume by this you mean "motion pictures", but Edison was not the "inventor" of such technology, he merely managed to package it up into a nice assembly. Many, many people contributed toward the progress of motion picture technology - Edison merely stood on all of these men's shoulders and set up an "easy to use" system.
Audio? If you mean the phonograph, then I will give you this one - such a device was fairly unique to come out of Menlo Park, though I bet if you researched it carefully, you will still find precedents in the technology. Even so, I would be more inclined to give this to him than other things he "invented". One thing Edison completely missed was the invention of what would later become known as the "triode" - the vacuum tube, to be precise. Edison noticed the electrons being "given off" by the heated filament of one of his light bulbs, but chalked it up as a curiosity of no importance. It would be years later that DeForrest would recognize the usefulness of this, which was termed "the Edison Effect", to develop the vacuum tube, around which audio amplifiers, useful radio, electronic computers, radar, and a whole host of other devices could be developed.
Finally, electricity and light bulbs? You have to be kidding me. Yes, Edison perfected the incandescent electric bulb, but many other inventors were working on similar devices - Edison merely had the forethought to try every possible material he could think of in a "brute force" attempt to build a better electric lamp. His lamp was the "best of breed", but it wasn't unique. This isn't unexpected, though, as many inventions throughout history have been "simultaneously" discovered and patent disputes abounded. It seems like for certain inventions at certain points in time, history shows that multiple people hit upon success, and whoever gets to the patent office first, wins.
However, with electricity, you are really far off the mark. Today's modern electricity generation and distribution system (not to mention tons of other modern devices like flourescent bulbs, microwave ovens, plasma TVs, radio control and the like) would not be possible were it not for the genius of one man: Nikola Tesla. There has been so much written about this man by others more capable than I that I won't go into details, save that Edison (of whom Tesla was a former employee, and he offerred Edison a more advanced form of electricity generation, which Edison turned down, causing Nikola to leave and sell the system to George Westinghouse, who set up the first AC generating station at Niagara Falls) did all he could to wipe Tesla's name from the spotlight of electrical history. It almost worked - some would even say, to the layman, it did work.
What invention can we really credit Edison for, though? Yep - the electric chair. Edison came up with the system in an effort to discredit Tesla, by building a device that could kill a person using AC (which, at the lower frequencies for electrical distribution tends to make the muscles of the body unresponsive). Ultimately, it didn't work out for Edison, because the efficiencies of long distance transport of power using AC won out. Tesla wanted to go one step further - wireless power transmission, of which we still don't completely understand where he was going. Some have speculated that it was based on his high frequency Tesla coil apparatus, but from what I have read and understood, Tesla was intimately familiar with resonant frequency systems, and love oscillators (both electronic and mechanical). From his published patents, and various other reading I have done, it seems most likely he was going to use his system to "pump" the earth itself to resonant frequency, to allow others anywhere in the w
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Googling the cited posting on the very Tiimely Mentifex AI Breakthrough readily yeilds the 2002 Arthur T. Murray/Mentifex FAQ regarding the author:
TFA doesn't mention one of the more interesting accidental (or serendipitous) discoveries, Teflon.
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One day in his chemistry lab, Dr. Roy J. Plunkett went to open a tank of gaseous tetrafluoroethylene, but no gas came out. Many lab workers, even scientists, would simply replace the tank with a full one. But not Plunkett! He weighed the tank and mysteriously, it still weighed the same as when it was full of gas! Evidently the gas had *not* leaked out.
He investigated by actually sawing the gas tank open. Inside he found a white, waxy powder! The original gas molecules had bonded together to form this incredible solid, eventually named Teflon.
If he hadn't thought "Hmm, that's odd" and pursued it, he wouldn't have discovered Teflon.
See http://users.wfu.edu/starbt5/Serendipity%20Projec
Fiberglass is a good example of the prepared-mind effect. For nearly fifty years, glass scientists knew that this material would be extremely useful (like steel fibers making things like bridge-cables and steel-wool) but the only way know to make the stuff was attenuating glass rods one at a time. Then one day a researcher at Owens-Illinois, the glass bottle company, was trying to figure out an automated way to put a logo, in blue glass, on a milk bottle. He melted some blue glass, directed a gas jet at the flow, and suddenly the air was filled with glass fibers. He knew immediately what he had done - by accident - and a new industry was born.
...or they wouldn't see it for what it is.
/.) But we're not going to get it until some off-the-rails guy comes up with some weird inconsistency with what we *think* we know and what *actually* happens.
...)
One of the basic rules of the Universe is that you can't understand the answer unless you understand the question and *most* of the answer to start with. Without underlying knowledge, it won't work. For example, the ancient greeks had the idea that matter was made up of individual items called atoms. Very nearly right, but it took a couple of thousand years before the idea came up again.
Example 1 (silly): An AMD64 drops through a wormhole/ST rift/whatever and lands on the desk of the foremost electronics engineer in the early 20th century. What does he see? A strange flat thing with lots of pins and a strangely regular irregularity in the blob of sand on top. And *nothing* else.
Example 2 (less silly and more comprehensible): Edison (or Swan) discover that if you pass a certain amount of *electricity* with the right *current* across a certain *material* in a near *vacuum* or *inert gas* within a *glass blown* container you have a working light bulb.
Until you have the underlying technology to make a discovery, you won't discover anything. The last example could go further to include metallurgy (OK, how to make a carbon filament), fire, agriculture (so someone has time to look into these things), etc, etc. And, no - my argument doesn't fall down with the earliest humans because they started with pure observation. (And, no - I wasn't there though I feel that old, sometimes)
My point is that *all* discoveries depend on the discoveries that came before. As Isaac Newton said "If I have seen a bit further, it's because I have stood on the shoulders of giants" (Yes, I know about the Hooke Insult - I think it's rubbish)
Human progress has always been dictated by necessity (even now) but the important thing to remember is that true progress is always built on the efforts of others.
So, we dream of (for example) a faster than light drive (at least on
Take it away you rebels (Newton, Galileo, Kepler, Pascal, Poincarre, Laplace, Einstein... xE6
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Velcro should not be on the lists. That was an intentional product creation.
.. paranoid crackpot leftover from the days of Amiga.
I have the patent on "accidental discoveries".
I also have the patent on "non-accidental discoveries".
Start paying royalties forthwith or I will have an immediate injunction placed upon your business.
In high school we had an "art teacher" who just ripped Bob Ross. Totally, like the parent quote, the methods, everything. We just thought the guy was a bit of a wierdo - he got quite excited about Ross' methods.
Me lost me cookie at the disco.
generally, it is the stuff that gets turned into a vapor and then condenses that we collect from de still, at least that was the way that grand-pappy done it. If we wasn't collecting the vapor we wouldn't need a still - we would use a pot and just boil it for a while, I think we might end up with mulled wine or hot cider or something like that.
once upon a time we called gasoline petroleum distillate - it has to be distilled several times, more times than diesel does. We usually get alcohol from a single distilling.