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Dry Ice Made into Super-tough Glass

janus zeal writes "A form of solid carbon dioxide that could be used to make ultra-hard glass or coatings for microelectronic devices has been discovered. The material, named amorphous carbonia, was created by scientists from the University of Florence in Italy. Writing in the journal Nature, the team says the material was theoretically possible but had never been created. It was made by squeezing dry ice, a form of carbon dioxide used to create smoke in stage shows, at huge pressure. Scientists are interested in the new material because of the potential applications. Also, they believe it could give them clues to the processes that happen in the center of huge gas giant planets such as Jupiter."

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  1. Just needs Stability, by klik · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is a hell of a thing if hey manage to find a way of making it stable at room teperature and pressure - a glass that has a similar strength to diamond made from a highly available source material? I can see a ridiculous number of uses for this!

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    1. Re:Just needs Stability, by kfg · · Score: 5, Funny

      . . . if hey manage to find a way of making it stable at room teperature and pressure. . .

      Easy enough. Simply apply the Congressional Model of engineering; redefine room temperature and pressure.

      KFG

    2. Re:Just needs Stability, by ceoyoyo · · Score: 5, Funny

      Um, diamond is made from a highly available source material. Under much the same conditions actually. It also has the minor advantage of not evaporating at room temperature and pressure.

    3. Re:Just needs Stability, by RsG · · Score: 4, Funny

      That, or we use the NASA model and swap the units of measurement. Kelvin you say? Well let's just assume they meant Celsius!

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    4. Re:Just needs Stability, by ceoyoyo · · Score: 4, Informative

      No, it's like glass, except with carbon replacing the silicon.

    5. Re:Just needs Stability, by svtdragon · · Score: 5, Funny

      At the right temperature and pressure, a ring made from dry ice leads to frostbite and ring made from diamonds leads to sex. That's another advantage.

  2. Well, Duh... by Baldrson · · Score: 5, Funny
    The next stage of the research is to work out how to make the glass stable at room temperature and pressure.

    Reminds me of the cartoon of the scientist at the blackboard with a series of equations on one side and concluding equation on the other with "And then a miracle happens." in between.

    1. Re:Well, Duh... by kfg · · Score: 4, Funny

      "And then a miracle happens" . . .

      We mixed it with a bit of room temperature and pressure gaseous diamond. Unfortunately this only works so long as we keep it immersed in room temperature and pressure molten gold.

      If we can just work out how to. . .

      I find it interesting that one of the things this company is pushing is that it would be a solution to binding excess carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. I thought the solution to that was simple and obvious:

      Take your carbon dioxide and some plain water. Crack the water into hydrogen and oxygen. Crack the carbon dioxide into carbon and oxygen. You're left with a lot of . . .oxygen. Hurray! Let it go in the air and breath deep.

      Now you've got carbon and a hydrogen. Combine the two and you'll get a sort of brown-black goo which will be a bit of a disposal problem, since you'll eventually end up with billions of barrels of the stuff, but really, all you have to do is inject it under pressure into underground sand and shale deposits and it can sit there safe for millions of years.

      Problem solved.

      Of course you have to be careful. There's a certain risk that when the hydrogen and carbon combine you'll just end up with billions of barrels of vodka instead of brown-black goo and lord only knows how we'd manage to dispose of that.

      KFG

  3. Most important use by chiller2 · · Score: 5, Funny


    Scratch-proof iPod screens of course! ;)

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  4. Re:Needs a bit more work first though.... by RsG · · Score: 4, Funny

    Well, we could suck all the Co2 out of the atmosphere. This would remove the greenhouse effect, both the manmade one and the naturally occuring one, and drop the planetary temperature. And we get our Co2 for making this stuff in the bargin! It's a win-win situation (well, except for the living - they'll be royally screwed - but they were just taking up space anyways).

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  5. Stable at room temp? by MustardMan · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'm not on campus (it's saturday, wee!), so I can't access the original Nature article, but I have a feeling the "stable at room temp" bit was misinterpreted by the BBC writers. I really don't see any practical way to keep the molecules together at room temp and atmospheric pressure - there's a reason CO2 is a gas. Silicon glass is a sort of weird case - most materials that show a glassy transition do it at a much lower temperature, or are largely temperature independent. When people try to run simulations to describe glassy behavior, they generally assume zero-temperature and quenched disorder.

    FWIW, I spent the last two years working on computational study of spin glasses, and am working on my PhD in soft condensed matter, of which glasses are a huge part.

  6. Not so much with the dry ice any more by jfengel · · Score: 4, Interesting

    For stage shows, fog machines are far more controllable and produce better results than dropping dry ice in water. They use "fog juice" rather than dry ice.

    Though sometimes you'll use dry ice to cool the resulting fog. The hot fog gives you a smoky, atmospheric effect. If you want ground-hugging fog, you've got to cool it down, and dry ice is a pretty good way to chill it quickly.

  7. Re:Um... a bit too intricate? by MustardMan · · Score: 5, Informative

    With my experience in scientific publications (especially physics!) there is usually a paragraph at the beginning of every paper trying to find some practical application. Probably 50% of these applications are pure horseshit thought up at the last minute. A lot of us do things for the sake of better understanding the world around us, and don't really know if there will be a practical application. And, if there DOES turn out to be an application, it's sometimes something we certainly didn't predict.

    I haven't read the Nature article yet, but I have a feeling the "understand a planet and coat lenses" bit was thrown in as fluff to justify the research. It's pretty much accepted practice, and I know I'm not the only one who barely glances at the first paragraph in most papers.

  8. I think this takes ... by AstronomicUID · · Score: 5, Funny


    the term Vaporware Windows to a whole new level!

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  9. Re:Big question: Does it flow? by agrippa_cash · · Score: 4, Informative
  10. Re:Um... a bit too intricate? by susano_otter · · Score: 4, Insightful
    It isn't as if science is going to send us for heaven for paying it lip service.

    True, but it does consistently reward us for methodically searching for interesting things in unusual places.

    Think of it as a form of assay: You assay every square mile of territory, not because you like assaying, or you think there's something worth mining in every square mile of territory, but to find out which square miles have something worth mining.

    I'm not paying for science for the sake of science. I'm paying for a thorough assay of the territory.
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  11. Fog machine fog isn't toxic, but can be a problem. by CFD339 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I am a firefighter. Actually, I'm a Lt. on an Engine company -- one of the volunteer firefighters who protect about 40% of the US population (most people don't realize how much of the US is protected by volunteer firefighters).

    We train using fog machines frequently, because if something goes wrong you can remove your SCBA and breath normally.

    In a training event for "Explorers" not too long ago, we used this fake smoke on a hot day. We had to cancel the use of it because several of the kids has asthma attacks. After investigating, the only explanation we could find, was that the appearance of smoke creates the expectation that it will be difficult to breathe. That expectation can be self fulfilling -- especially in young people who have had bad reactions to actual smoke in the past.

    Oh well.

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