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New Caldera Promised

An anonymous reader writes "SCO has announced their plans to release a new version of Caldera Linux by the end of the year. From the announcement: 'To provide extensive reliability and performance features, the Linux Kernel 2.5 codebase has been merged with recently developed additions to SCO's world leading UNIX core operating system. Already contained code owned by SCO is still included benefiting the stability and overall experience opposed to recent Linux kernel releases.' The question is, is anyone listening?"

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  1. Linux Kernel 2.5 codebase by Iphtashu+Fitz · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The current linux kernel is version 2.6.x. IIRC, the 2.5 branch was a development branch. Why would anybody want to use a linux distro based on an old developers version of the kernel?

  2. SCOs Reasoning... by pavera · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It states in the press release that they are anticipating winning their lawsuits so they are releasing this version of Linux because as soon as they win they will be the only legal provider of Linux solutions.

    Obviously as others have already stated, if they are using linux 2.5 codebase, don't they have to GPL everything they added? If not, can't Linus et al sue the pants off of them?

    Talk about backfiring, here's a scenario for you.. MS gives SCO a chunk of cash to go fight linux, SCO illegally uses Linux code, Linus Torvalds sues them and gets all of MSs money to further linux development...

  3. Re:Really? by rehabdoll · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I guess they could just release everything as is with the GPL intact, since the pressrelease claims the lawsuit is nearing the end and they probably know they will lose.
    They could also, in theory, strip out disputed code.. but I doubt they will.
    And the suicide option to close the code also exist i guess. The last option might not be that far fetched, since their entire buisiness has been located in the courtroom these last couple of years.

    I really like their disclaimer where they, if they so choose, say it's all the communitys fault if they fail with their "new" endeavour.

  4. Not really a good parody by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Well, I'm not impressed by openlinux.com's parody skills. Using the SCO logo as well as statements that look like standard SEC disclaimers aren't a good idea. How different is this from someone trying to fake news in order to manipulate a stock price? The average user will not realize this is fake.

    1. Re:Not really a good parody by fermion · · Score: 2, Interesting
      The press release is not on the SCO website. The website has a list of all press releases, and the last on is dated June 8. Openlinux.org does appear to an SCO property, and one that is not new.

      The question becomes why is the SCO group hosting two pages on a domain that is 18 months old, and will expire in a month, but not linking back to the original website? Is it a big joke? Is the site hacked?

      Does the URL resolve to to any known SCO netblock, or does it resolve to another entity?

      --
      "She's a scientist and a lesbian. She's not going to let it slide." Orphan Black
  5. Talk about Caveat Emptor... by tdvaughan · · Score: 3, Interesting
    FTFA:

    The Company wishes to advise readers that a number of important factors could cause actual results to differ materially from those in the forward-looking statements. Those factors include the failure of the products described above to operate as designed due to incompatibility with some platforms or other defects; our reliance on developers in the open source community; new and changing technologies and customer acceptance of those technologies; the Company's ability to compete effectively with other companies; failure of our brand to achieve the broad recognition necessary to succeed; unenforceability of the GNU general public license; our reliance on third party developers of components of our software offerings; claims of infringement of third-party intellectual property rights; and disruption in the Company's distribution sales channel.

    Sounds like someone at SCO is covering their arse...

  6. this can't be real by cmoss · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I find it more likely that openlinux.org is a spoof site or it has been compromised.

    TSG can't release a new version and avoid problems with IBM counterclaims.

    1. Re:this can't be real by Sheridan · · Score: 2, Interesting
      One odd thing about the site is that the www.openlinux.org address resolves (at least from here) as 131.188.40.90 which according to a Network whois is in a netblock owned by the University of Erlangen, Nuremberg.

      The domain name does look to be SCO owned though according to the domain whois.

      See this link for details.

  7. Re:GPL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting
    From the article:

    Forward Looking Statements
    The statements set forth above include forward-looking statements that involve risks and uncertainties. The Company wishes to advise readers that a number of important factors could cause actual results to differ materially from those in the forward-looking statements. .... unenforceability of the GNU general public license; ......

    As I read it, they are saying they are going to be the only legitimate linux distro if and only if the GNU is unenforcable.
    Is that the same as saying they dont think its legal or is it we dont care you cant stop us?
    The rest of it seems to be saying the rest of the press release is us lying out of our arse, and this is the disclaimer.

  8. Is it a parody? by mcc · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Real or not, this is absolutely SCO's website. Look at the whois.
    Domain ID:D1704028-LROR
    Domain Name:OPENLINUX.ORG
    Created On:03-Aug-1998 04:00:00 UTC
    Last Updated On:10-Nov-2004 04:47:01 UTC
    Expiration Date:02-Aug-2006 04:00:00 UTC
    Sponsoring Registrar:Dotster, Inc. (R34-LROR)
    Status:CLIENT UPDATE PROHIBITED
    Registrant ID:DOTR-00936995
    Registrant Name:Domain Administrator
    Registrant Organization:The SCO Group
    Registrant Street1:355 S 520 W
    Registrant Street2:Suite 100
    Registrant Street3:
    Registrant City:Lindon
    Registrant State/Province:UT
    Registrant Postal Code:84042
    Registrant Country:US
    Registrant Phone:+1.8019325800
    Registrant Phone Ext.:
    Registrant FAX:
    Registrant FAX Ext.:
    Registrant ******************@sco.com
    Admin ID:DOTC-03050361
    Admin Name:Domain Administrator
    Admin Organization:The SCO Group
    Admin Street1:355 S 520 W
    Admin Street2:Suite 100
    Admin Street3:
    Admin City:Lindon
    Admin State/Province:UT
    Admin Postal Code:84042
    Admin Country:US
    Admin Phone:+1.8019325800
    Admin Phone Ext.:
    Admin FAX:
    Admin FAX Ext.:
    Admin ******************@sco.com
    Tech ID:DOTC-03050361
    Tech Name:Domain Administrator
    Tech Organization:The SCO Group
    Tech Street1:355 S 520 W
    Tech Street2:Suite 100
    Tech Street3:
    Tech City:Lindon
    Tech State/Province:UT
    Tech Postal Code:84042
    Tech Country:US
    Tech Phone:+1.8019325800
    Tech Phone Ext.:
    Tech FAX:
    Tech FAX Ext.:
    Tech ******************@sco.com
    Name Server:NS.CALDERASYSTEMS.COM
    Name Server:NS2.CALDERASYSTEMS.COM

    Caldera nameservers and everything. So this is not a parody site. If this press release isn't real, it's only because SCO got hacked. Which is, y'know, a possibility. Weirdly enough, if you go to the IP address that openlinux.org currently points to (thus stripping away the openlinux.org site's virtual server), you get.. a page saying nothing but "FSI INF". "FSI INF"? WTF?

    Meanwhile it is awfully suspicious that caldera.com says nothing about this that I can see. Is there any evidence this "press release" has been... you know... released to the press? Or is it just a page on a website?
  9. Hoax? by drivekiller · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Apparently hosted on a german university server.

    ////

    ;; ANSWER SECTION: openlinux.org. 21600 IN A 131.188.40.90

    ////

    ;; ANSWER SECTION: 90.40.188.131.in-addr.arpa. 86400 IN PTR fsi-server.informatik.uni-erlangen.de.

  10. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I think they want a test of the GPL. It's bait. Someone is going to take their code and redistribute it "according to the GPL", if just to spite them. Then SCO can decide if, when and where they want to sue. They think they own Linux (via Unix), so they don't need to rely on the GPL to redistribute Linux. From that point of view refuting the GPL doesn't hurt them but it would shatter Open Source. It's a bet against all odds, but what have they got to lose?

  11. The supreme arrogance by gnarlin · · Score: 1, Interesting
    SCO is eager to be the only future provider of Linux Systems for the enterprise market

    There are no words for this. To announce that no only that they will succeed in ripping off the community, but that they will sell it back the very code they they lovingly made through hard work, snack eating and soda drinking all through the night at a mearly 300% markup. They even generously suggest that it would be helpful to supply oneself with lubricant before purchasing a lisence from them. Wow! Thanks SCO!

    The decision to reanimate the very popular OpenLinux product series was made after it is evident that certain lawsuits regarding UNIX® System intellectual property and contractual rights are to be finished soon.

    Finished soon eh? Might that not have something to do with Magistrate Judge Brooke Wells Granting IBM's Motion to Expedite despite SCO's endless attempts to stall the judgements day?

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    A bad analogy is like a leaky screwdriver.
  12. Particularly since by IANAAC · · Score: 2, Interesting

    A whois gives SCO as the owner of the domain. And their DNS servers are from calderasystems.com.

  13. Seems to be a Joke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I am not sure, but the wording make it sound like a joke, for something interesting, type the following in your browser and read:

    http://www.openlinux.org/r

  14. Re:Really? by Burz · · Score: 2, Interesting

    OTOH, why would SCO even do this? Any belief that it will give them some cash flow or some other position that benefits them is irrational.

    Perhaps because more lawsuits allows Daryl to shovel more legals fees over to his brother. Like a money-laundering scheme.

  15. Re:Really? by dbIII · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Then SCO can decide if, when and where they want to sue.
    Remember that a very highly paid member of the legal team is the brother of the CEO, who has a history that few would think would justify the very large amounts. Perhaps that will be a major factor if SCO takes more unwinnable legal action that will last for years - I personally think it was a major factor in going after IBM in the first place. Linux is not the victim here - SCO is getting milked by a two man scam right out of an old story about confidence tricksters.
  16. Re:SCO's nameserver hacked? by Snowhare · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You're right. I'll bet you that the University re-assigned the IP to another machine at some point without really being aware that it hosted openlinux.org once upon a time (while SCO completely forgot about it being in their DNS at all). And the new owner got funny HTTP access attempts to their Apache caused by old links. And one thing lead to another....

  17. Re:That's because this IS A FAKE by algae · · Score: 4, Interesting
    because Bill Gates is a Jehovah's witness and so nothing can work on St. Swithin's day.

    I tried this and got various different messages on each reload. It looks like the server is just calling fortune with the BOFH excuses file. Still unlikely to be a real press release though.

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    Causation can cause correlation
  18. Re:Really? by LordOfTheNoobs · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "conspiracy to commit copyright infringement"

    http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/archives/004586.php

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    They're there affecting their effect.
  19. Re:Really? by ozmanjusri · · Score: 3, Interesting
    it is likely that this was a bogus press release

    Yeah, it's a joke - pretty funny too when you start looking closely. Apart from the 2.5 kernel hint, here's a few gems.

    Already contained code owned by SCO is still included benefiting the stability and overall experience opposed to recent Linux kernel releases.
    What you say!! Somebody set us up the bomb!!

    SCO is eager to be the only future provider of Linux Systems for the enterprise market.
    The "only" provider? Yup, a realistic goal there, if you're a megalomaniac...

    As according to the Yankee Group SCO OpenServer products still outbeat Linux' yearly uptime by about 20 percent
    Outbeating is good. Not grammatically of course, but still good.

    And of course the kicker is the uptime claim - Yankee Group actually claimed that it was Microsoft's Windows 2003 Server that had the 20% better uptime. Funny when you know many people think MS are behind SCO's litigation.

    Laugh, people. It's a pisstake, and a pretty good one.

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    "I've got more toys than Teruhisa Kitahara."
  20. That's nice but... by Svartalf · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...SCO owns the domain (Do a 'whois' next time before proclaiming "fakeness"...) and
    the site IS on one of their servers. Not to mention that the site's main page happens
    to be referring to the same thing, coming Early Q1 of 2006.

    Just like SCO... Promise everything, have nothing in hand.

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    I am not merely a "consumer" or a "taxpayer". I am a Citizen of the State of Texas