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DefectiveByDesign Supporters to Call on RIAA Execs

johnsu01 writes "DefectiveByDesign.org is organizing a call-in campaign for today. People around the country will be calling high-ranking RIAA officials to deliver the message that DRM is an unacceptable restriction on the freedom of consumers and citizens. DefectiveByDesign will provide the numbers to call when you sign up. This action should attract the people who thought that Apple was not a good target because it is the RIAA that requires DRM and those who think that wearing HazMat suits is obnoxious. Everyone can vote with their dollars, but that doesn't tell the RIAA why they aren't getting the dollars. With a few thousand people signed up already, they will undoubtedly know after today."

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  1. Ugh. Why can't they just post the damn numbers .. by Entropy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    DefectiveByDesign will provide the numbers to call when you sign up.

    Why should I have to sign up? Just post the damn numbers and then request I sign up, and explain why it's important. I mean, I know that requiring registration is by no means the equal of DRM, but on some philosophical levels it does present it's ironies ..

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  2. Good luck with that by Professor_UNIX · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It sounds more like a bunch of people are going to be calling up and harassing people. If you don't like their policies, DON'T BUY THEIR MUSIC! It's that simple. You don't need to explain why you're not buying it since you're not doing business with them anymore. Go buy from Indie labels. You're acting like a kid who says he's not going to talk to you anymore and then spends the next 2 hours trying to get you to ask him why he's not talking to you anymore. You know what? They don't care!

    1. Re:Good luck with that by kjart · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you don't like their policies, DON'T BUY THEIR MUSIC!

      I couldn't agree more. Nobody is being forced to buy their stuff. Even if the big labels were the only outlet of music (and they're most certainly not) you _still_ wouldn't have to buy anything from them. You don't see me protesting McDonalds because the Big Mac is a piece of crap - I take my business elsewhere.

    2. Re:Good luck with that by famebait · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The problem with that is that the resulting sales drop will
      be blamed on piracy, and used as lobbying ammo for keeping and
      extending draconian DRM/copyright laws.

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    3. Re:Good luck with that by CowboyBob500 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Voting with your feet is a useful tool of protest, but why not attack them on two fronts? It should be any individuals right in a free country to protest peacefully. That includes phoning up perpetrators of stupid laws and harrassing them (work hours only, at their office - not at their homes). Make their lives uncomfortable both in their work lives AND in their pockets.

      Bob

    4. Re:Good luck with that by burnetd · · Score: 5, Insightful
      If you do not explain why you're not buying their CD's then the following will happen...
      • They won't know you are not buying them due to DRM.
      • They will just put any reduction in sales down to 'piracy' and use more DRM.
    5. Re:Good luck with that by 91degrees · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The way in which something is deffective is irrelevant - if I don't like a product, I don't have to buy it.

      True. However, usually they'd like to know why you're not buying a product. If you dislike McDonalds because they only serve fatty food, then they might consider some healthier options. But that will only happen if they know about it.

    6. Re:Good luck with that by plasmacutter · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I couldn't agree more. Nobody is being forced to buy their stuff. Even if the big labels were the only outlet of music (and they're most certainly not) you _still_ wouldn't have to buy anything from them.

      If the only supplier of housing was a monopoly who imposed DRM and high prices on all housing, would you suggest they not buy housing too? granted we can survive without shelter too.. exposure to the elements does not necessarily equal death after all.

      of course.. you could live like an animal.. do nothing but eat, sleep, work, and crap.. without culture we are not human. I'm sorry but culture and cultural participation are essential to humanity, nearly as essential as food, we've had this argument before but since you've decided to post redundantly so have I, and damn the karma, i wont have this "just dont buy it" fallacy bandied about without rebuttal.

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    7. Re:Good luck with that by migloo · · Score: 3, Insightful
      You don't see me protesting McDonalds because the Big Mac is a piece of crap - I take my business elsewhere.

      Fallacious comparison:

      If McDo had a DRM, your only choice would be either junk food or starve.

    8. Re:Good luck with that by Hrodvitnir · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If I didn't have a credit card, I would have no option but to pirate.

      Or, simply not derive pleasure from someone's work without due compensation. Unless you think it's your 'right' to listen to good music. Something tells me those with the money, but not the card, to purchase the music aren't sending checks to the artist after they pirate their music.

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    9. Re:Good luck with that by Asphalt · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Something tells me those with the money, but not the card, to purchase the music aren't sending checks to the artist after they pirate their music.

      Actually, you just roughly described the business model of a record label.

    10. Re:Good luck with that by ajs318 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually, they do have a monopoly on popular music, since with any kind of art there is, by definition, no objective criterion for evaluation.

      Industrial components are standardised. If I buy an M6 nut from one supplier, I can be sure that it will screw onto an M6 bolt from any other supplier. If I buy a length of 15mm. copper piping, I can similarly be sure it will fit any 15mm. compression or soldered elbow, tee, reducer or valve. If I need a 10K ohm resistor, or a diode which will handle 6 amperes with a maximum reverse voltage of 400V, I can buy ones which perform identically from any of several suppliers.

      If, however, I want to listen to the song "Whenever, Wherever", I can only find this song sung by Shakira, and only on Epic Records -- a label owned by Sony Music. Everytime someone spends several pounds on a copy of the CD, Shakira herself -- the one truly indispensable person in the equation -- receives a few pence out of this money. Logically, anyone should be allowed to make their own copy and send Shakira the same sum of money as she would have received had they bought one from Sony. Yet, for some reason, this is not allowed. If this were allowed, then there would not be a monopoly situation, since various entities would be competing to supply the same music as though it were a standard industrial part, and the market would decide matters for itself.

      {Note 1: anyone is free to make recordings of classical music which has entered the public domain.}

      {Note 2: in some European countries, you used to be able to buy cheap and cheerful LPs and cassettes -- CDs weren't invented then -- containing poor-to-terrible cover versions of popular British and American chart hits. I suspect this is no longer the case. Any Continentals care to comment?}

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  3. DRM is the new Vietnam? by kjart · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Call me cynical, but does anyone else find it sad that this is promoted as such a "cause" to fight for? Has consumerism come so far that we are now protesting the things we buy? This isn't really the context that I think of when I think of a 'freedom fighter' (their label, not mine).

    Though, I suppose, it's not like there are any wars or civil liberty issues to protest nowadays.....

    All that being said, DRM sucks.

    1. Re:DRM is the new Vietnam? by plasmacutter · · Score: 4, Insightful

      in this age of globalism and a world where international borders become less and less meaningful the elite can no longer subjugate people through conquering other lands and calling them "colonies".

      Despite this the elite long for those days long ago when serfs were forced to work without pay and without the right to property for the enrichment of their masters receiving only "security" in return. (that was the case.. after all the "lords" were there to protect them from raiding hordes after the fall of the roman empire)

      As such, they have now found a new way of stripping away our right to own and govern property using technology and the great constitutional end-run known as contract law.

      Make no mistake, this is a fight for freedom. It may not be as glorious, as roudy, or as conventional as you remember, but then again the american revolution was unlike any war since as well.. no grand columns of soldiers, but guerrilla attacks which the british considered "cowardly" and "childish". (see the original lyrics to yankee doodle for references)

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    2. Re:DRM is the new Vietnam? by kjart · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As such, they have now found a new way of stripping away our right to own and govern property using technology and the great constitutional end-run known as contract law.

      I'll say it again - DRM sucks. But I really dont see how it is stripping away your right to own and govern property. It may be restricting your ability to use the property they are trying to sell you - but guess what? You don't have to buy it. Nobody is forcing you to buy music from major record labels. Even if they were the only show in town (which they aren't) you still wouldn't have to buy a single CD from them.

      That's where your analogy colapses. Whereas the British had soldiers with guns that actually did force you to do something (i.e. pay taxes) the only one you have to blame for buying a Britney Spears (or whatever) CD with DRM is yourself.

    3. Re:DRM is the new Vietnam? by plasmacutter · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'll say it again - DRM sucks. But I really dont see how it is stripping away your right to own and govern property.

      Part of the term "property" involves the owner's right to fully govern it, not some corporation or elitist slobs.

      It may be restricting your ability to use the property they are trying to sell you - but guess what? You don't have to buy it. Nobody is forcing you to buy music from major record label

      And nobody is forcing you to breathe air.

      I think its about time this straw man was debunked. Culture is as essential to humanity as air, food, shelter and water, and like it or not the RIAA and their related organizations have a near monopoly control over the most popular and dominant expressions of our culture. If we do not own our culture and have a right to participate in it I say our "sentience" is highly overrated, and we need to go back to the trees where we belong.

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    4. Re:DRM is the new Vietnam? by damburger · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Given that the underlying issue is freedom of speech vs. property rights, this issue is FAR from trivial.

      We live in a society that worships at the alter of the free market. The invisible hand can do no wrong and anyone who claims otherwise is a dirty commie. The abundant nature of data on an open network is heresy to this new religion though - the market requires scarcity to function. A scarcity must be introduced so that the glorious march of capitalism can continue.

      On the other hand, any IP law is a law that can be used to restrict what information is held on and communicated between computers is a restriction on free speech. Call me crazy, but governments shouldn't be adding more of those.

      I'm not sure if harassing certain people will have any effect on this struggle, but it might be worth a shot.

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    5. Re:DRM is the new Vietnam? by plasmacutter · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why in that order? Because the second will kill you whereas the first will - what? Make you a little bored? I wouldn't even go that far. There is far more to culture then what the major music and movie companies offer - and that's not going to change anytime soon.

      Why not? Because people _are_ free to participate in culture. If what exists sucks (or at least does in your opinion) you can go out and create your own works or, if your talents don't lay in that area, can support someone who does make something to your liking. Modern technology has even made this (arguably) easier to do nowadays then ever before.


      look.. participation does not mean simply "consumption".. it means remixing, sharing, communication, etc. DRM prevents that, so no, we _are not_ free to participate in culture.. thanks to DRM we are only free to _consume_ what they dispense.

      Further, youre right there is far more to culture than what the music and movie industries offer, just like there is far more to the world than what major industrialized nations have to offer, that doesnt change the fact that what these music and movie industries have to offer makes up the _majority_ of our culture and we deserve the right to participate in it rather than simply _consume_ it.

      Finally, we are not human if we do not participate in culture.. we are no better than the animals we claim differ from us..

      why not extend that argument from culture to food.. we can go much longer without food than we can air and water.. why not cut out food.

      would you tolerate it if the government mandated we eat nothing but kibble for food? dog food is more nutritious than our food but would you tolerate it?

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  4. Mr. Asshole isn't in right now... by davmoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And precisely how do these people expect to get past the front switchboard or the secretary to actually talk to Mr. Powerfull RIAA Person?

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  5. Re:Ugh. Why can't they just post the damn numbers by Kaitiff · · Score: 5, Insightful

    While I can understand your point on 'some philosophical level', it shows a level of dedication to stand up and be counted. In this day and age, marches and protests are superseded by our ability to bitch and whine on message boards and blogs. Anonymity is something we need to protect on the 'net, but stepping into the limelight makes a much bolder statement. It takes a lot more courage and dedication to a cause to have your name be listed than using a pseudonym. Please take note of my hypocrisy; I do believe this will be posted as an anonymous coward because I can't recall my nick on here. :)

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  6. Will this be effective? by William+Robinson · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Though, I would love to see RIAA disappear as much as the next person, I serously doubt what this canpaign would achieve. RIAA (and all almighty power they have) would not have existed in first place if there were no need of them.

    If they can be convinced not to make too much fuss about everything on this earth, maybe things will be OK.

    my 2 cents

  7. How to get people to sign up by Nicodemus101 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Spread the word about this call-in by asking your friends to register today! When you log in on Friday we'll give you a special number to call. After you've made your call, you can let us know how it went.

    I think the email would go something like this:

    Dear defectivebydesign Team
    I called that fantastic number you supplied me with. I was confronted with a recorded message stating "Welcome to RIAA, DRM department, the person you are looking for is not available at the moment. Please leave a message and he'll/she'll get back to you as soon as possible. Your call is important to us. Have nice day"

    How to get a lot of people to sing up to your page:
    1) Find a lot of people on the internet
    2) Find a cause they all hate
    3) Give them a little hope by signing up to your page
    4) Sell thier details to the highest bidder for spam production
    5) Profit profit profit

  8. Re:Ugh. Why can't they just post the damn numbers by Eideewt · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My guess would be that they want to balance the number of calls to each phone number, and they want to know how many people participated. Sounds pretty reasonable to me.

  9. "Plays for sure" = "Plays for now" by yeremein · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I blogged about why I won't purchase any "Plays for sure" music. The DRM is practically guaranteed to make your music collection disappear.

    Any system that restricts copying the music you paid for will eventually lock out the paying customer. I refuse to spend real money on a disappearing product.

  10. Re:Ugh. Why can't they just post the damn numbers by Lumpy · · Score: 5, Insightful


    Why should I have to sign up? Just post the damn numbers and then request I sign up,


    simple.

    Trolls. They are trying to limit the number of trolls. for every one moron spewing profanity and "1 0wn J00!" at them that destroys the credibility of 20 honest and professional calls.

    So limiting the idiots and morons that screw things up helps make the ration of intilligent to idiot much higher.

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  11. Re:Ugh. Why can't they just post the damn numbers by Lurker187 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Why should I have to sign up? Just post the damn numbers and then request I sign up, and explain why it's important. I mean, I know that requiring registration is by no means the equal of DRM, but on some philosophical levels it does present it's ironies ..


    My guess is they want people to register for the same reason that internet petitions aren't worth crap -- anonymity is ultimately a form of obfuscation, and when you're trying to tell someone something they don't want to hear, they'll jump on any excuse to devalue the legitimacy of your position.

    But yes, it's a perfectly valid point, there is certainly some irony there.
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  12. Re:Freedom? by ettlz · · Score: 3, Insightful
    What about the freedom of citizens to not be spammed by (potentially abusive) phone calls?

    You're confusing a private citizen with their position as a leading figure in the RIAA. Yes, phoning them at home would be objectionable, but I don't see how ringing the office is an affront to freedom. They're not compelled to be in that job, and can always hang up.


    People really can't seem to be able to fight an intellectual battle in an honest and clean way.

    Well when the industry itself resorts to dirty tricks (e.g., Sony rootkit), what do you expect?

  13. Sadly, it won't help by dbmasters · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The RIAA is just like labor unions, they were a decent idea, but they have gotten too big and too powerful and have grown themselves into a counterproductive entity that is hurting those that they profess to help and profit from them a great deal, which is also the exact reason they will never go away.

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  14. IMHO. by DoctorDyna · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The RIAA is a business. Their customers are record label execs. As has happened in the past, business are most hurt by robbing them of customers. People calling the RIAA isn't going to discourage anybody from conducting business, especially not record label execs.

    If you want to hurt them, we need to convince record labels that they don't need to employ what is basically a "task force posse" to protect their interests. Striking at the heart of the beast would be most productive. What we need to do as good, strong minded, mostly intelligent people is start some new record labels that are specifically designed with low profit margins and realistic salaries, and start campaigning to get major artists moved over to our labels that pass on more profit to them. We need to rob the RIAA supporting labels in the good old fasioned american way, which is build a better alternative.

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  15. This will only validate the RIAA's position by thunderpaws · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A telephone harrasment campaign will be viewed by executives as coming from a bunch of crack pots who want something for nothing. They can easily plug in the numbers into their arguments about piracy. The reality is they do have the right and responsibility to protect the products they represent. The problems exist because current copy right laws apparently do not adequately address digital content. The vacum that exists is allowing the RIAA to abuse consumers under the banner of anti-piracy. Whether or not we agree that Apple's 'FairPlay' is a good thing, it is an example of a very resonable implementation of DRM. What is really needed is educating the multitudes of consumers about the issues. All too often consumers just accept things as they exist. I wonder how many consumers have computers that are hobbled by Sony's rootkit fiasco without a clue. These are people who would blame 'pirates' and 'hackers' for problems they might experience with their computers rather than the true villans, because they just don't know.

  16. they won't care by livingdeadline · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The music industry won't care about some users protesting about DRM, since their only goal is to turn the whole market into a standardless pay per view system, and they will succeed sooner or later when people get used to the idea of using only specific software and hardware for managing music. With comments like these (original story in finnish mirrored here), it's pretty clear that not only the 'merican music industry seriously wants to assure those responsible for various judicial systems that increasing incompability is the only way to go in the digital age.

  17. More alike than unalike? by Kev_Stewart · · Score: 3, Insightful
    We all think that when music is bought it should STAY bought.

    The RIAA thinks exactly the same thing...

    ...about their politicians.

  18. Why not use snail mail? by lcde · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It seems to me that the poor secretary will be the one having to handle these 1000 calls.

    Wouldn't it be much better to write a letter, put it in a manila envelope and send it directly to the RIAA exec. The key is to pay the extra dollar or so and get the Signature Confirmation service that the USPS offers. I think when an executive gets 1000 letters on his/her desk that ALL need signatures you tend to notice.

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  19. Re:Ugh. Why can't they just post the damn numbers by Ryan+Amos · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Oh come on. Your name, address and telephone number are not private information. In fact, rumor has it that there is a book somewhere that has the name, address and number of every person in the entire city. Imagine if someone with nefarious purposes were to get ahold of that -- we would all be in trouble!

  20. Re:The problem looks a lot different in their shoe by DoctorDyna · · Score: 3, Insightful
    You (as well as others) still seem to be confusing "fair use" with "theft". Stop that. That is the single most annoying thing that people keep doing, that in fact is the root cause of all these problems with DRM incumberment. You and your thinking, and people that think like you are the reason that no matter how much I pay for a cd, I still don't own it. Fuck you. When I buy something, I would like to be able to use it however I want. If that includes copying it to my hard drive and archiving the disc in case anything ever happens to my drive, then that should be my right.

    I think the theft argument is tired. People have been using it for decades now, and when it comes to media usage, it really, honestly doesn't apply. If I buy a car from a car dealership, and then turn it around and give it away to a friend, does the car company sue me? But! they didn't get a profit from my giving that car away! Perhaps, they should sue me! I know, your saying to yourself right now "but that's not the same because if you give the car away you don't have it anymore for yourself." Exactly. We've been applying the term "theft" to something that can't be stolen. Sure, it can be traded. It can be given to sombody without charging them. You might eeevvvven be able to stretch it into "unfair trading", but to call it theft is lunacy. It's a word thats applied simply to generate sensationalism. "But! They're stealing my music!" sounds alot more we-need-protection-ish than "But! They're trading my music!"

    Right now, in the US, there are alot of states that make it legal to shoot sombody who comes into your house who you beleive might be there to steal something.

    Now, imagine for a second, if trading a couple of music files could really be bundled into "theft", then, should it be legal for a performer to open fire on sombody in the crowd he sees with a microphone? How about bursting into your house and shooting you dead?

    You are absolutely right my friend, the problem does look alot different in their shoes. It looks alot like this: How, oh how do we convince the legislature and governing bodies that something that is less of a crime than "copyright infringment without monetary gain" can be publicised, and then treated as if its grand larceny?

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