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Hurricane Simulator to Destroy Full Size Building

Anonymous Coward writes "This is a shameless plug, but I thought Slashdot readers might be interested in the hurricane simulator system the company I work for (Cambridge Consultants) helped develop for the University of Western Ontario. The BBC article is light on the kind of technical details Slashdot readers enjoy, so here are some titbits. The servomotors for the 100+ valves are controlled over an IPv4, gigabit Ethernet network connected to an Athlon dual-core AMD64 PC. The entire real-time control system runs on this machine, utilizing well above 90% of each processor core, and roughly 30% of the network capacity. The sampling frequency of the control system places a huge demand on the machine, with about 70,000 context switches taking place every second. Yes, it runs Linux. "

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  1. Yes, But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Does it run on Lin...

    Dammit, you stole my line!

    1. Re:Yes, but... by minginqunt · · Score: 4, Funny

      No, but John C. Dvorak has heard rumors that it will run Mac OS X.

  2. Yes, but... by LoonyMike · · Score: 5, Funny

    does it run Vista?

  3. Yeah... by insanarchist · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yeah, but can it run... er... nevermind.

  4. Listen by Provocateur · · Score: 5, Funny

    If you guys in Western Ontario want a hurricane so bad why don't you just come live here in Key West, Florida?
     

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    1. Re:Listen by houghi · · Score: 5, Funny

      Because they still want to be able to vote.

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    2. Re:Listen by fobbman · · Score: 4, Funny

      Canadian votes are just as valid as South Florida votes in our election process. Cmon down.

  5. Those CPU stats in full... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    10% idle
    89.95% kernel (switching threads)
    0.05% user (generating 70,000 "blow" commands per second)

    Hurricanes may blow, but abusing thread-level concurrancy definitely sucks.

    1. Re:Those CPU stats in full... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Hi, I'm the guy who submitted the story, and the engineer who designed the control system and wrote the software. Your CPU stats are hopelessly wrong. The control system is much more than the issue of "blow" commands. It's actually a sophisticated adaptive and predictive controller that requires millions of floating point operations per second, in addition to the overhead of network I/O and context switching. I don't remember the exact breakdown of idle/user/kernel, but I don't think kernel was above 10%. Far from being an abuse of threads, it's actually a conceptually simple and effective way of designing the software.

    2. Re:Those CPU stats in full... by MrFlibbs · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yes, but this doesn't change the fact that your system *blows* ...

    3. Re:Those CPU stats in full... by Kenshin · · Score: 4, Funny

      If you're so smart, maybe you can reprogram it to *suck*.

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    4. Re:Those CPU stats in full... by TubeSteak · · Score: 3, Funny
      Ways to make it suck:
      • Make the plus signs negative
      • Port the software to JAVA
      • Change all the 0's to 1's and the 1's to 0's
      • Put the source code on wikipedia
      • A million monkeys with a million typewriters...
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  6. Linux doomsday device by kestasjk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The disturbing thing is that this isn't the first Linux installation on a machine which is designed to destroy buildings..

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  7. Doubts... by Aladrin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I have doubts that you can accurately simulate a hurricane without the space around the house. Some damage is done directly by the wind, yes, but there's a LOT of damage that is done by the wind blowing things into other things and weakening them.

    Do you randomly throw in pieces of tin roof and stop signs to simulate that? And trees? I doubt it, since there isn't enough space in your simulator for that.

    As for being "perfectly repeatable", I have doubts for that as well. That assumes that you could build the exact same house over and over. The article even states that the placement of the nails in the house matters, and I can't see anyone being that perfect.

    Overall, I think it's a neat project, but unlikely to really provide more insight than 'yeah, wind fscks shit up.'

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    1. Re:Doubts... by MrSquirrel · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, flying debris can punch holes in houses and such, but WIND is what will completely tear the house down (remember seing roofs blown off on your t.v. and whole houses collapsing?). The point is, they're NOT going to be able to do a goddamn thing about flying debris (well, they could build all houses out of 10" of tempered steel), what they are trying to do is make houses designed to be as hurricane resistant as possible.
      FTA:"This is relevant because most of the damage to houses occurs in places where there are sudden changes in pressure, such as at the corners and edges of the building.
      "You get swirling and rapid changes from positive to negative pressure," said Mr Wilkinson.
      "If you were going to pull a panel off a roof you wouldn't just heave on it, you'd try to waggle it, and that's the most destructive thing for the wind to do.""

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    2. Re:Doubts... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah, I'm pretty sure the guys doing the experiments didn't think of that, good thing you happened to be here to set them straight.

    3. Re:Doubts... by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I found the article to be pretty fascinating, but I'm really curious as to how they've modeled hurricane winds. The hardware details are pretty mundane, but the algorithms they've used to model a hurricane would be a very interesting subject.

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  8. What about the hurricane? by Attila+the+Bun · · Score: 3, Interesting
    BBC article is light on the kind of technical details Slashdot readers enjoy

    ...but not so light as the Slashdot article. Are you telling me that you've built a hurricane machine capable of destroying a building, and the most interesting part is the office PC which controls it?

  9. I feel a great disturbance in the force... by insanarchist · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...as if millions of nerds suddenly cried out, "yeah, but does it run...", and were suddenly silenced.

  10. Take it to Texas by doobie22 · · Score: 3, Funny

    New form of Execution for when it's all televised.

  11. I for one .... by fernandoh26 · · Score: 3, Funny

    I, for one, welcome our hurricane-simulating, house-destroying, Linux-running overlords.

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  12. Hurricane simulaiton in Canada by kaufmanmoore · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hurricane simulation in Canada, The Carolina Hurricanes in North Carolina winning the Stanley Cup, the world is coming to an end.

  13. all i want to know is... by Connie_Lingus · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...is the source GPLed? It would be fun to add some random hacks, like simulating a pickup truck smashing through the roof, on this puppy.

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  14. This seems not good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If you want to know what a hurricane does, study the effects of hurricanes. One of the best studies was done after Hurricane Andrew and the results were published in Fine Homebuilding Magazine.

    What they found that the building code was pretty good. There were a couple of issues.

    The rain of an actual hurricane was responsible for a lot of the destroyed homes. Rain would get up under the shingles and soak the fiberboard sheathing. The sheathing would swell and the roofing staples would then cut into the sheathing and the sheathing would blow off. Once that happened, the house was toast.

    Another issue was that builders didn't always build to code. They found a lot of nails that missed the lumber they were aimed at.

    This experiment misses a couple of things that caused most of the destruction during Hurricane Andrew.

    If you state what winds you want a house to withstand, you can reliably build the house to withstand those winds. I am skeptical that this experiment will turn up anything we didn't already know.

  15. Storm Surge by NorthWestFLNative · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They're forgetting the most destructive part of a hurricane. Granted strong winds can and will do a significant amount of damage (I still remember what my parents house looked like after Ivan), but the most damage is done along the coastline where they get hit by storm surge. That's not something that can be replicated by a wind tunnel on a full scale. I drove along the southern Mississippi coast about 3 weeks ago. There is wind damage for miles inland, which I would expect, but it's nothing major. However the coastline is devastated. The first floors of buildings are completely washed out, destroying most of the buildings completely. The ones that were multi-story are collapsing in on themselves because their support is gone. Testing building construction in a simulator is a good place to start, but I hope it doesn't give people a false sense of security.

  16. Winds vs. Water by digitaldc · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "As a result, there is great interest in making buildings safer and more resilient to the damaging effects of extreme weather."

    Well the winds could potentially destroy the home, but the mold and rot that comes from the standing water could render it worthless.

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  17. In a related News: CompTIA by Coeurderoy · · Score: 4, Funny

    In a related News CompTIA warns governments against Linux: Runing Linux is proved to destroy Full sized buildings under various usage situations.

    This proves that Linux can be used by Terorists, drug dealers that want to push competitors out and various other nefarious evildoer.

    A member of CompTIA Steve B. indicated that Linux can even get chairs to fly around.

  18. Re: You make a good point by hahiss · · Score: 4, Funny


    Well, what I want to know is when science can evict variance; what are tenant's rights in scienceland?

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  19. NEWS FLASH from the MS FUD Dept. ! by Ihlosi · · Score: 4, Funny

    Linux destroys buildings (and drowns kittens and puppies, too) !

  20. Re:Doubts... (and how they were addressed) by Froster · · Score: 5, Informative

    I figured I'd chime in here as a Western Engineering Student, who had Prof. Kopp last year, let you know what he was up to in the Fall. Kopp only taught the second half of my course because the first half of the year (during Hurricane season) he went to New Orleans to study the devistation.

    This project isn't meant to make a perfectly hurricane resistant house (though, you could try based on the results). As far as I know, the aim is to find what little things can be done to the average house to improve the chances of survival for the house, or at least the people in it. In the example of nailing trusses to the walls of the house, anyone who's actually been there to see or nailed a truss can attest to how weak that connection can be, and one possible change is to mandate exactly how the trusses need to be nailed, and perhaps develop a new nailing plate to ensure that the placement of the nail is exact each time (if there is a steel plate on each truss with only one hole, you know where the nail is going).

    Also, for anyone wondering "why Western Ontario?", UWO is home to a very well respected wintunnel lab, which has tested many very well known buildings (Athens Olympic Stadium, CN Tower, numerous tall buildings in China to name a few). You can take a look here: http://www.blwtl.uwo.ca/Public/Home.aspx

  21. Simulations not needed. Yet. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    You don't need to run simulations yet. There are still plenty of real world data to collect before you can adequately simulate any hurricane. There are tens of thousands of buildings of every type here on the Gulf coast that can be assessed right now. Damage runs the full gamut, from light to catastrophic.

    I live in a FEMA trailer. The western eyewall of Hurricane Katrina passed over my house. Various official guesstimates of wind velocity at the time were high Category 3 to low Category 4 - roughly 130mph or 210 kph. In my neighborhood, houses suffered everything from light roof damage from wind and felled trees, to complete destruction; nothing left but a pile of 2x4's. A few houses were swept away entirely, along with cars, boats and anything else that was not tied down.

    My house is an ordinary 25 year old, rectangular, brick clad, single storey building with a simple hip roof and traditional construction. There are no hurricane straps anywhere in the house. The house structure survived just fine. Not a single window was broken, though most had water infiltrate between the panes. Roof damage was minor, it never sprung a leak, but it has been re-shingled since the storm. What put me into a trailer was the storm surge of 15 feet, over four feet of water in the house for several hours. The interior is still entirely gutted.

    Between damage to the wiring, flooring, drywall, insulation, kitchen and bathroom cabinets, appliances, HVAC unit, furniture and all the rest of the contents of the house and garage, I'd just as soon build a brand new house from scratch. There would be a lot fewer headaches, and not much more expense.

    So what's my point? It's simple. If you'll spend a few month in this area, you'll learn more about hurricane hazards than decades of laboratory simulations. There are too many parameters to get right before simulation results will yield much knowledge.

    IANAE, but from my observation of damage from New Orleans to the Mississippi Gulf Coast there are several points to be made.

    1) Straight line winds are just one hazard. The level of damage varies with wind direction, velocity and duration, amount of rainfall, height and velocity of storm surge, duration of inundation, distance from open water, barriers both natural and man-made, proximity and height of neighboring structures, and tornadoes (there were lots of those embedded in the storm). And maybe other factors too, including luck.

    2) No doubt, building codes play a role in preventing or mitigating wind damage.

    3) Those fancy, intricate gabled roofs that are so popular on all the new McMansions? They suck. I don't care how many metal brackets hold them together. They're mincemeat in a real storm.

    4) You can't do much against flood. High Base Food elevation is the only thing that will prevent flooding. Build high to remain dry.

    5) Most of the stuff you own is located below a line four feet above the floor. The cost of a house's structure is relatively small compared to its contents, equipment, and interior finish.

    6) If you're in the storm's bull's eye, like Pearlington, Waveland and Bay St. Louis MS were, there's not much to be gained by expensive reinforcement of an ordinary house structure. You just can't fully protect against the massive energy that a Katrina-sized storm carries onshore.

    7) Don't trust the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers to protect you against anything.

    8) Don't trust your insurance company.

    9) When a hurricane's bearing down on you, don't worry about the house, get the hell out of town.