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Dealing with Phishing

Apu writes "SecurityFocus has published an interesting interview with Rachna Dhamija, co-author of the paper 'Why Phishing Works' and creator of Dynamic Security Skins (a plugin for Mozilla). She presented some very interesting results from her research efforts, for example 'simply showing a user's history information ("you've been to this website many times" or "you've never submitted this form before") can significantly increase a user's ability to detect a spoofed website and reduce their vulnerability to phishing attacks.' She also suggested to 'make it easy for users to personalize their interfaces. Look at how popular screensavers, ringtones, and application skins are — users clearly enjoy the ability to personalize their interfaces. We can take advantage of this fact to build spoof resistant interfaces.'"

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  1. PDF, Not Plugin Link by christopherfinke · · Score: 4, Informative

    Readers should note that the "Dynamic Security Skins" link goes to a PDF, not a plugin (as I expected).

    1. Re:PDF, Not Plugin Link by aymanh · · Score: 5, Informative

      This is why I use the TargetAlert Firefox extension, it adds icons next to links indicating the files or effects they lead to.

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    2. Re:PDF, Not Plugin Link by aymanh · · Score: 5, Informative

      By the way, I've just noticed that the version available at Mozilla Add-Ons isn't compatible with Firefox 1.5, however, the one available at the author's homepage is, sorry for that.

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    3. Re:PDF, Not Plugin Link by johnkoer · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Did you configure it?

      I didn't see it the first time I reset firefox. I played with some of the settings, restarted Firefox again and it was working.

      But after getting it working, it is a pretty neat addin.

    4. Re:PDF, Not Plugin Link by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 3, Informative

      Firefox 1.5.0.4 - works just fine after restarting...

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  2. Unpredictable by neonprimetime · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The only thing an attacker can't simulate is an interface he can't predict.

    This will be the key when designing sites in the future.

    1. Re:Unpredictable by Penguinisto · · Score: 4, Funny
      ...coming soon! a ubersecure site that uses Arcnet for its internal network and a small IPX/SPX DMZ! Then every odd week, we switch it all to AppleTalk internally and Banyan VINES in the DMZ - they'll never see it coming!

      (Of course, no one will ever be able to get anything done, but the geek factor would be impressive if you could actually make a 'musical protocols' plan work...)

      /P

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    2. Re:Unpredictable by curecollector · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Some sites have started to adopt a similar approach, albeit not to such an extent. Bank of America, for example, asks for your login on their front page, which then forwards you to a separate page, displaying a user-selected icon (chosen from maybe 20 choices, if memory serves), and then asking for your password. Still, it's not perfect as your account number/login is typically your ATM/debit card number...

    3. Re:Unpredictable by OurCompliments · · Score: 3, Funny
      sceneagers

      Can I pay you to never say that word again?

    4. Re:Unpredictable by cp.tar · · Score: 2, Funny

      Why does this remind me of FaceXpaces?

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    5. Re:Unpredictable by octaene · · Score: 2

      Yeah, you've seen examples of this before. If you're a Linux or Mac user, I'm sure you've seen pop-up windows or advertisements that feature the default Microsoft XP blue window manager colors with the red X for 'closing' the Window (which is just like a window.close statement)...

    6. Re:Unpredictable by tylernt · · Score: 2, Interesting
      displaying a user-selected icon
      Heck, why not allow a user to upload their own image (perhaps even a photo of themselves). If you store the image on the legitimate website's server, even a phisher exploiting a UI, browser, or cookie vulnerability wouldn't fool the user.
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  3. Where to draw the line on user ignorance? by PrescriptionWarning · · Score: 2, Funny

    I can agree that while something like this could help those who are not knowledgable about such things in the digital world, I wonder if perhaps we should be taking steps back to make sure people actually stay informed of such dangers.

    For example, I'm creating the front-end for an application and one of the requests was that we build in such things as making sure "male connectors" on parts don't get matched up with other "male connectors", since logically only "female connectors" should work anyway. Now its no real sweat off my back, but it made me think where is the line between common sense and ignorance?

    1. Re:Where to draw the line on user ignorance? by PrescriptionWarning · · Score: 3, Insightful

      To go a slight step further minutes after posting this, does it seem like more and more programs are doing things for us, perhaps without our knowledge? I take for example Xbox 360 games updater: it tells you there's an update, you update it while looking at a little progress bar, and then its done and you play the game again. I for one really want to know what updates there were, at least the significant ones. It would be nice to know if a certain bug that plagued me before was fixed, or if content was added/changed so I can proceed to take advantage of it.

      Are people so content with blind usability of their devices?

    2. Re:Where to draw the line on user ignorance? by Red+Flayer · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Are people so content with blind usability of their devices?
      Why yes, yes they are.

      To most users out there, their devices are just blackbox tools. As long as the output is what's expected, they could care less what the updates are doing, or what their device is doing. Note that this is very much what software/hardware companies aim for -- "it just works."

      That's how you separate the geeks from the boys (not with a crowbar, as has been joked) -- who wants to know what's going on there (and is willing to spend the time to find out), and who is content just playing their game.
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    3. Re:Where to draw the line on user ignorance? by spun · · Score: 4, Funny

      That's how you separate the geeks from the boys (not with a crowbar, as has been joked)

      Greeks. You're thinking Greeks and boys.

      Ancient Greeks that is, you know Sparta and catamites and all that. Your average modern Greek is a fairly religious fellow who frowns on that sort of thing (at least in public, unless there are no women left in the bar at closing time.)

      The More You Know(tm)

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    4. Re:Where to draw the line on user ignorance? by dr_dank · · Score: 4, Funny

      For example, I'm creating the front-end for an application and one of the requests was that we build in such things as making sure "male connectors" on parts don't get matched up with other "male connectors"

      Not that theres anything wrong with that...

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  4. Security Skin by christopherfinke · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Looking through the PDF linked, I see that the plugin uses some visual hashes as browser backgrounds in trusted situations, but I wonder if there is an anti-phishing extension that would alter the color of the main background of the browser chrome for possible phishing sites. For example, a light-green would be trusted, but variations through a fire-engine red would indicate a possible phishing attempt.

    1. Re:Security Skin by DrSkwid · · Score: 4, Informative

      Certain colors have common associations in society, such as red with warning or green with go. Use these color associations to illustrate your point, but proceed with caution, because these associations can differ depending on the nationality of the audience.

      http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/assistance/HA010 120721033.aspx

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  5. it doesnt help when by future+assassin · · Score: 5, Interesting
    legit companies send out emails like this and confuse customers. This is from Capital One I got yesterday. Didn't open it at first cause of the url and domain. > bfi0.com Turns out it legit and Capital one uses Bigfoot as their mail server.

    Capital One(R)--what's in your wallet?(R)

    Your Capital One statement is ready.

    RE: Your account ending in 0000

    Your current Capital One statement is now available for viewing online. Simply log in to Online Account Services and click the My Statement tab.

    Log in now at http://capitalone.bfi0.com/

    Is all your information reaching you?

    To help ensure this time-sensitive message reaches your inbox each month, add the Capital One address that appears in the "From" line above to your electronic address book. This is especially important if you or your service provider use e-mail filters.

    Use our web site as a resource for information and to access a variety of consumer lending products and special services. Add http://capitalone.bfi0.com/ to your bookmarks, so you can come back easily and often.

    Thanks for using Capital One's Online Account Services.

    Important Information from Capital One

    This e-mail was sent to me@mydomains.com and contains information directly related to your account with us, other services to which you have subscribed, and/or any application you may have submitted.

    The site may be unavailable during normal weekly maintenance or due to unforeseen circumstances.

    Capital One and its service providers are committed to providing meaningful privacy protection for their customers. To protect your privacy, please do not send sensitive account information through e-mail. For information on our privacy policy or how to contact us, please visit our web site at http://capitalone.bfi0.com/

    If you are not a Capital One customer and believe you received this message in error, please notify us by responding to this e-mail.

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    1. Re:it doesnt help when by Tackhead · · Score: 5, Interesting
      > legit companies send out emails like this and confuse customers. This is from Capital One I got yesterday. Didn't open it at first cause of the url and domain. > bfi0.com Turns out it legit and Capital one uses Bigfoot as their mail server.

      And this, kids, is why you should never outsource your email.

      In some small way, I may have helped. Back in the dark ages, my broker did this -- outsourced some of their customer communications to the m0.net (Digital Impact) mainsleaze spamhaus. I wrote 'em a very sharply worded letter to the effect that if they couldn't run something as simple as a mail server, why should I have any faith that they were any more capable of running the web servers that handled my trading requests.

      (And what is it with the meta-rule, which seems to be that any domain ending in 0.com or 0.net, is a mainsleaze spammer. m0.net, bfi0.com, and I'm sure there are more out there...)

      The letter also included some of the other spew (honest-to-God spam, as opposed to ostensibly solicited customer communications from an organization with which I had an ongoing business relationship) I'd gotten through m0.net, and explained that as a result, I'd pre-emptively marked all mail originating from that domain as "spam", and that my broker was lucky that I periodically checked my filtered spam to see if any false positives had leaked through.

      I wasn't the only customer to flame them, because a year or so later, I noticed that my broker was able to email me again, and that they were doing so from a mail server in a netblock owned by them, and with proper DNS registration.

      Now that Capital One is in the process of digesting North Fork Bancorp, perhaps both COF and NFB executives could do with a little similar education. My broker got a polite snail-mail flame because it was 1999 and they had an excuse for not knowing any better. There's no excuse in 2006.

    2. Re:it doesnt help when by MindStalker · · Score: 2, Informative

      I don't know about you but all my capitalone emails link to email.capitalone.com your getting screwed :)

  6. Drive-by-downloads by Itninja · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So this may help one realized that they are not on the actual Paypal/Citibank/Ebay site, and they can leave before they enter their personal information. But many phishing sites have already done their damage by that time, via a drive-by-download; install all forms of malware and spyware in just a few seconds.

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  7. Mozilla, take note: by The+MAZZTer · · Score: 4, Insightful
    for example 'simply showing a user's history information ("you've been to this website many times" or "you've never submitted this form before") can significantly increase a user's ability to detect a spoofed website and reduce their vulnerability to phishing attacks.

    Hey, this is a really really good idea. Microsoft, Opera Team, and Mozilla should take note!

  8. The more you think you know... by Lord+of+Hyphens · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Good interview, bringing up sound points on the vulnerability of users to electronic attacks. Social Engineering (aka BSing the operator) has been around forever as a valuable tool in any attacker's arsenal.

    The problem with a security-minded addon is, most appropriately, whether or not a user will bother to employ it. I can see multiple websites deploying the server side of DSS, but I can see all but a small niche of users not installing the client side, instead relying on their own (generally wrong) assumption that they don't need it. And how long until Microsoft implements its own (propietary, closed-source) 'solution'? How long until it's on and enabled by default on the majority browser? Even then, are we (the idiot users) going to pay attention to the glaring signposts or allow ourselves to be fooled?

    Only time will tell, I think... and yet I still believe that Social Engineering (and Reverse Social Engineering) are going to be with us on the electronic environment forever.

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  9. GMail's filters failing? by DAldredge · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Over the past 3 or so weeks I have noticed that the number of phishing emails coming to my slashdot email account that are not caught by the spam filter have increased about 300%.

    Is google getting worse or are they getting better?

    1. Re:GMail's filters failing? by Penguin+Programmer · · Score: 2, Informative

      Google's filter (like any good spam filter) is adaptive. Spammers/phishers figure out a way to get their stuff through, a bunch of people mark it as spam/phishing and the filter learns that those messages are spam/phishing. You'll probably see the exact same messages hitting your spam box in a couple weeks.

  10. Not really going to work by Jimmy+King · · Score: 5, Insightful

    While this may sound like a good idea at first, why would it work? The majority of people who would know about such a feature, especially if it's a third party downloadable plugin, and then make use of it, are not generally going to be the type of people to be fooled by phishing attempts and unable to recognize the basic things tested for in this study. On top of that, given most people's understanding of computers and the internet and web, I feel pretty safe saying that if your average person was using such a tool and then loaded a phishing site, their thought would not be "oh, this must be a phishing site" it would be "oh, my skin didn't load for some reason." and then probably continue on.

    The problem is not a lack of tools out there. The problem is a lack of understanding. We've got millions of people who don't understand the basics of computers on a public, anonymous, worldwide network who are essentially network/server administrators, as far their home pc is concerned. To make it worse, most people not only don't understand, but don't want to understand.

  11. Bad analogy by KerberosKing · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The thought that an average user will personalize their web interface like they personalize their celll phone doesn't fly with me. If that were true, we would see copies of Tweak UI on a lot more wintel boxes. Everyday people would be replacing the explorer shell with LightStep. I don't see that happening. About the most personalization I have seen is people putting up a picture of their girlfriend or baby up as desktop wallpaper. Geeks use custom tools, but most geeks are savvy enough about phishing to not fall for it.

  12. Half-azzed study by Jonboy+X · · Score: 2, Informative
    From TFA:
    We conducted a usability study where we showed 22 participants 20 web sites and asked them to determine which ones were fraudulent, and why...Our participant population was highly educated, consisting of staff and students at a university. The minimum level of education was a bachelor's degree. Our population was also more knowledgeable than average, because they were told that spoofed websites were in the test set. They were also more motivated than the average user would be, because their task in the study was to identify websites as legitimate or not.


    So the "study" is a little lame, and irrelevant to the main point of the article: promoting his new SecuritySkins plugin. The idea is that it's harder for websites to spoof browser features if everyone's browser looks different.

    For the record, this idea isn't new. Bank of America has been letting users select a personalized image on their login page for a while now. If the image on the login page doesn't match yours, it didn't come from your bank and you shouldn't enter your password there.
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    1. Re:Half-azzed study by Zardus · · Score: 2, Informative

      See, the BoA approach always confused me. By the time you see that picture you've already entered your login ID, and your login ID is all it takes to see that picture. Now, if the phishing site already knows that ID (since there is no picture or anything to prevent you from entering it at this point), why can't the phishing site just hit up BoA for that picture and present it to you?

      In some cases BoA asks you a security question, but that's the same problem with that. Phishing site hits up BoA for the questions, gets the answer from you, and sends it back to BoA to retrive the image.

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    2. Re:Half-azzed study by maxwell+demon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hmmmm ... thinking along those lines, the phishing site could just be a proxy forwarding everything to the legitimate site and back, but just storing the interesting data like passwords.

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    3. Re:Half-azzed study by Zardus · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, it'd be a setup like this: you get an email sending you to http://bonkofamerica.com/ (notice bonk instead of bank) telling you to login quick to fix something or other. You go there, enter your user ID, select the state that you got your account in, and click login.

      BoA's servers haven't been touched yet, just the phisher's. Once the phisher recieves this info, they make a query to BoA's servers and input the info that you've given them (the username and state). BoA sees that you're logging in from a new IP and sends a question along to the phisher. The phisher then displays that question in the page that they send to the user. To the user, it just seems like his bank took longer to display the security question than they normally do. The user puts in the answer and sends it (unknowingly, of course) to the phisher, and the phisher sends it to BoA. BoA sends back the image, which the phisher sends to the user.

      All the user sees is: Login Page -> Question Page -> Image Page. Perfectly ordinary, if slightly longer loading times. And since the phisher is the only one ever talking to BoA, there is only one security question ever asked. As far as BoA is concerned, the phisher is a perfectly normal user authenticating properly.

      The few things that can stop this are:

      - the user paying attention to the domain name
      - the security cert not being signed by a root cert authority and the user paying attention to the warning that pops up
      - some anti-phishing plugin (like the one discussed here or many others available)

      Of course, I'm sure some string of vulnerabilities can disable all these protections. Not to mention plain incompetence on the part of the banks. It could be my memory playing tricks on me, but I think I've seen banks forget to update their certs for a day or two after they expire. At that point, you just use the phone bank until they get their act together I guess.

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  13. Personalization will only help so much by scolby · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Phishers will still be able to fool those who are susceptible to email phishing attacks. In the example where a user chooses his or her personal image as a security feature, all a phisher has to do is send out spam requesting that the user either change his image or upload a new one, with a link to the site that will snag that information. Then it's a simple matter of sending out another email prompting the user to log in, with a link to a page displaying that stolen image.

    In the end, it's more important to educate users than it is to circumvent their stupidity with technology - there's always a way around things.

    1. Re:Personalization will only help so much by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's true there is always a way around things, and though the example with the image selection that Bank of America uses (and similar implementations at a handful of other financial institutions) is not completely foolproof, it significantly more secure than a financial institution that does not use such a system. BofA and the other banks know this - Phishers are more likely to target the customers of a bank that hasn't re-educated its userbase on their new login will work, and why.

      When someone goes fishing, they don't target a specific fish in the pond. They throw the same cheap bait everywhere, and whatever bites get caught. In order for the image technique that BofA uses to be foiled (and believe me - I'm not BofA fan - sorry to keep using that as THE example, because it's not), it seems a phisher would have to spend more energy/resources/whathaveyou coming up with ways to target specific people. Instead of comparing it to fishing, it would be more like hunting/stalking - which takes lots more effort. It seems it would significantly cut down on the quantity of victims - assuming quantity is what phishers are going for.

      My 2 cents.

  14. What bothers me is... by azav · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why we are not aggressively tracking down and prosecuting mass repeat spammers and phishers.

    If we are, why are we not hearing about it?

    I mean, spam and phishing is the blight of the internet. It is aggravating, costly and time consuming. I do not need a mortgage, cialis, a fake rolex, a "pleasure ring" or bogus stock tips. All this spam and phishing is fraud and through use of zombies of hijacked connections, theft or trespassing.

    Should we write our congressmen? Become rich and hire the mob to find these people and break some knees?

    ??

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    1. Re:What bothers me is... by asuffield · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Become rich and hire the mob to find these people and break some knees?

      By and large, these people are the mob. Russian organised crime is into spam and phishing in a big way, and several of the other groups are getting in on the action. And it's no easier to shut them down today than it was a hundred years ago. They're using bribery, blackmail, pressure on the government from their semi-legitimate sides, and all the other usual tricks. When some of them finally do get arrested, they're always sacrificial pawns; another bunch of people is immediately set up to replace them.

      There are a few people out there doing this stuff on their own, but to make money from phishing you need a way to convert a long list of credit card numbers into money - it's far better suited to organised crime than to rogue asshats.

  15. Haha, "why phishing works" by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That's got to be one fucking short paper. I can personally sum it up in three words: "People Are Stupid." Can I get my research grant now?

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  16. Smarter than your average bear by Billosaur · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Look, as I've said repeatedly (and I don't need a post doc to know this), users fall for phishing because they are in general not Net savvy. A typical user looks at a browser or a desktop application and treats it like their TV/VCR or pocket calculator -- they expect to turn it on, use it, and aren't aware of anything else that it might be doing or be capable of doing. Doesn't matter if it's Firefox, IE, Opera, or what have you, the average user is not going to understand the workings of a browser. Nor should they have to.

    There was an article a few days back (memory gets foggy with age) about IE7 and all the new stuff, to which I replied that it was all well and good, but the fact is, there have been no revolutionary new breakthroughs in browser technology. I'm not talking plug-ins, downloads, schemes, scripting, etc., but looking at the browser as more than simply a viewer of web content. It's long past that -- it's now the doorway to information and allows the user to access all kinds of data about themselves and others that is supposed to be "secure."

    Browsers have to be redesigned with the average user in mind and they have to be developed to do much more of the security work for the user than they do now. They have to be turned from data reader into combination access port/firewall/security screen, and they have to run these functions automatically (except when you're a knowledgeable sort and can turn the systems on and off to your liking). A browser should stop a user from being able to access "phishy" sites, reject sites where security certificates are dodgy, and alert the user in the strongest terms that the thing they were about to do was stupid and they're not being allowed.

    Phishers will continue to winnow out personal data from people as long as no one marches in and builds the next generation of tools to combat them. Trying to do anything with the current crop of technologies is like putting a band-aid over a severed jugular; to truly put the fire out, it will take a technology the phishers are not prepared for and cannot easily simulate.

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  17. There is no plugin by lorcha · · Score: 2, Informative
    It has not yet been released. From TFA:
    When do you plan to release the securityskins plugin?


    Rachna Dhamija: Currently, we have a prototype of the interface developed in Mozilla XUL, which we are improving based on feedback from our studies. Mozilla turned out to be a good prototyping tool, and allows us to rapidly iterate through interface ideas. A number of organizations have expressed interest in adopting security skins, and we have started development of an extension that can be released to the public. So stay tuned!

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  18. Re:Too easy to defeat. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think you miss the point. The idea isn't to mod the bank site, but for the individual to mod his/her own interface to the bank site. Bank of America is doing this -- you select a personal image. When you login to their site, the login page displays the image your selected. If you don't see the correct image, you know its a phishing attempt. This is still a user education issue, but at least it helps.

  19. IP-based Secure connections? by guruevi · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How about using the same technique SSH uses: If you come on a site that has the same IP but with a different key or the same key with a different IP: BIG WARNING THAT THIS SITE OR THE COMMUNICATIONS IS POSSIBLY COMPROMISED and provide a link to customer support in case that happens. SSL Certificates just check whether your communications is securely established and I won't examine that certificate everytime I connect. When you want to do Internet banking or something similar, your bank should give you a key on a read-only USB disk or something and the possibility to boot a Damn Small Linux from that disk. My bank did that for a while, but I guess they fell back on just providing the key probably because of the support issues with DSL and xDSL, USB Modems, Winmodems and other crap like getting the VPN through the users' firewall and you had a browser but couldn't go anywhere but the bank's sites. But I have another bank account that just requires a username and password and you're not even on the secure part by then. How dumb is that? I avoid using my Internet banking just for that. The people at the branch sometimes ask why I don't do those simple things (like transferring money) through their site. I am running only Mac and Linux but still I don't want anyone connecting because they keylogged my password - some users might have troubles putting a good password in the first place (insert oblig. spaceballs password quote here). My webmail is more secure than their site (RSA SecurID key required for that), so they could at least do SOME effort like giving me something similar to SecurID for their site.

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  20. The marketing dept. gets e-mail designs from spam by vinn01 · · Score: 3, Funny


    I swear that some marketing departments get their e-mail designs from looking at spam. I've have seen some legit corporate e-mails that look so close to previous phishing spam that you would think that they did it on purpose.

    The only explanation that I can think of is that they see the phishing spam e-mail, think that it's from their own company, and then design new e-mails to look the same.

    Doubt it? We're talking about the marketing department....

  21. Capital One = Big Bad Evil of the financial world by MattHawk · · Score: 3, Informative

    Admittedly off-topic, but you might want to look into ditching any CapitalOne credit cards you have. They've been using a somewhat questionable reporting practice recently of only telling how much you have on your card to the reporting agencies, rather then the amount you have and your maximum. The credit agencies, with only the one number, assumes it to be both your current limit and the amount you're using - in other words, that you're using 100% of your credit. This can really screw your credit score.

    (If you're curious as to the source of this info, check out Clark Howard's website - if you haven't heard of him, he has a talk radio show and a few books about personal finances)

    Just an FYI :)

  22. "Positive" authentication is not very useful by ttul · · Score: 2, Informative

    End users cannot distinguish well between legitimate sites and phishing sites. Adding in sugar such as the date of the user's last login is helpful only as a positive reminder that the user is on the right site. It's better than nothing, but not by a factor of 10.

    Phishing cannot be prevented completely -- it's a social engineering phenomenon and as such will adapt to any technological intervention that tries to stop it. The best possible "solution" to phishing combines a) hardware authentication, b) increasingly "locked down" web browsers, c) web site "reputation", and d) better anti-phishing protection in email services and software.

    Companies like Cloudmark leverage a vast and very active user community to almost instantly detect and mitigate new phishing campgaigns. IronKey, founded by the president of the Anti-Phishing Working Group, is developing hardware tokens for authentication. IE7 and Firefox continue to improve their defenses against XSS attacks and the like. And there are good efforts underway to develop URL reputation systems that can help users avoid browsing sites that are dangerous.

  23. Collaborative filtering works much better by spamstopper · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Unless this is a highly targetted and customised phishing attack. Collaborative filtering like cloudmark works amazingly well. You can stop a phishing attack spread within a few minutes. Here is more info on collaborative filtering or google for it.

  24. Spoof Proof? by sqlrob · · Score: 3, Insightful

    She also suggested to 'make it easy for users to personalize their interfaces. Look at how popular screensavers, ringtones, and application skins are -- users clearly enjoy the ability to personalize their interfaces. We can take advantage of this fact to build spoof resistant interfaces

    We're sorry, due to an upgrade, you've lost the personalizations to this site. We apologize for the inconvenience, please log in and update your settings.

  25. Re:Too easy to defeat. by Daverd · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Say the website in question allows you to pick from several different stylesheets, and this selection gets stored as a cookie on the user's machine. Whenever the user goes back to that page, it shows up in the style they've chosen. Then there's no way for the phisher to simulate that, because cookies can't be shared between domains. The user would go to the phishing site and hopefully realize something's wrong when everything looks different.

  26. Why no S/MIME? by metamatic · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What I want to know is why none of these dumbass banks use S/MIME to sign the e-mail they send out.

    Mozilla Thunderbird does S/MIME. Mac OS X Mail does S/MIME. Lotus Notes does S/MIME. Even Microsoft Exchange does S/MIME.

    Sure, it wouldn't solve the problem, but it would at least give clueful users a dead easy way to see if the e-mail was really likely to be from their bank.

    While we're on the subject, when is Gmail going to support S/MIME?

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  27. Obvious, simple anti-phishing solution? by Jester99 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Maybe somebody could explain to me why this wouldn't work. It's trivially simple to implement.

    When you create an account on a web site (your bank, ebay, paypal, your broker, whatever), you provide them with a username, password, and a whole bunch of information... why not have a field for "reverse-authentication string"?

    Then every email they send to you, they include that string in the subject line.

    e.g., if my reverse-auth string was "turkey", the email subject would say "Important message for user Jester99 from CapitalOne -- auth: turkey"

    Then I know it's not a phish, because for phishers to have that word, they'd already have CapitalOne's database and I'd already be screwed. (And the odds of them accurately guessing your string are rather small, if you pick anything reasonably ambiguous and not "password") All you have to do is simply not click links that don't have the proper auth word in the subject.

    1. Re:Obvious, simple anti-phishing solution? by Aerion · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Bank of America did this for a while. The first line of any e-mail they sent to you was "Authorization Phrase: %s", where %s was the phrase that the user entered on the website when entering their e-mail address.

      Suddenly, they stopped doing this around March 2005. I haven't a clue why.

  28. Here's what she meant by Moraelin · · Score: 5, Informative

    Lots of people here seem to assume that somehow the skins are for the web site, or overriding CSS elements, or whatever, which is just not the case. What she was talking about with those skins is: fake UI. Nothing more, nothing less.

    E.g., let's say that you got your old mom to use Mozilla, so she has _both_ the coloured URL box _and_ the padlock on the status bar as indication that she's indeed at a secure site. I'll assume you've also educated her to carefully read the URL up there.

    So noone can fool her now, right? I mean, right? Well, wrong. One attack method they used in that study was fake UI.

    So let's say your mom now lands at some www.phishers-r-us.ru site pretending to be her bank. The site doesn't even use SSL or anything. How can that site spoof all those checks both up there in the browser's toolbar and down there on the status bar? Simple. Fake them.

    So the site gives you a javascripted popup, requesting a window without those interface elements. But fakes them as .gif images in the page itself. The page is, say, a frame set with three horizontal frames: one at the top, with a faked toolbar and URL bar (with the correct URL of the bank in that .gif, and correctly colour coded as if it were Mozilla saying it's HTTPS), the login page in the middle, and a faked status bar at the bottom (complete with the padlock icon telling you it's secure.)

    _That_ is the problem. Fake UI fools most users.

    So the researcher's idea is basically, "I know, so let's encourage each user to skin their own UI." So let's say your mom has set her Mozilla UI to be brushed blue-hued metal, the colour for HTTPS URLs to be green, and the padlock icon to be replaced by a thumbs up icon. The fake UI site can't know that. So when they show her a page with the UI in the default colours and icons instead of hers, hopefully your mom will know that it's faked UI. It doesn't look like her other browser windows.

    Now personally I think the idea isn't that great anyway, since (A) it requires users to actually do that, and I'll bet most will just click on the default theme and be done with it, and (B) because it's working around what I consider a fucking stupid mis-feature. IMHO there's no need to allow browser windows without an URL bar and without a status bar in the first place. In an age where those are the main (and often only) things that can warn you against such attacks, allowing a site to disable them is just stupid. So just disable the option to hide the UI and, voila, suddenly noone can fake that UI any more. It's that simple.

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    1. Re:Here's what she meant by stony3k · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, in Firefox, you cannot disable the bar at the bottom via javascript, and for secure sites, it shows the domain name (like addons.mozilla.org). This is enough to defeat phishing attacks as described in the parent post.

      Of course, you still need to educate users about this feature. The idea that customized themes will help defeat these attacks still holds, though.

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  29. Re:Attack back with garbage userids and passwords by CommanderData · · Score: 3, Funny

    if bogus userids and passwords were entered into the bogus phishing portal, then the cost of doing business for the phishers would get very high.

    I like it. Maybe another little button like "mark as spam", but in this case it's "mark as phish". When you click "mark as phish" your e-mail plugin does the following:
    1) Grabs the source for that page that is linked in the Phishing e-mail
    2) Skims the HTML for input fields, generating junk data based on some simple algorithm
    3) Submits/Posts the junk data to the address given in the HTML form.

    Maybe while we're at it someone can create an "Eliza" like program that would be triggered with a "mark as 419 scam" that would maintain a threaded e-mail discussion with the scammer for weeks. This would keep them busy and prevent them from preying on all the low hanging fruit on the internet. Eat your heart out Turing! ;)

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  30. Re:All security features are targets for attack by Kelson · · Score: 2, Informative

    Do they let you upload your own picture, or do you select from a list of what they provide?

    Unfortunately, it's the latter. Though they do have several hundred images to choose from.

    Plus there's another layer before phishers can retrieve your image based on your login name. If the site doesn't recognize your browser (via a cookie or set of cookies) it will ask a challenge/response question first, *then* it'll show you your chosen image and manually-entered caption. By default it will forget the browser, so if you trust a friend's computer or *shudder* an internet cafe with access to your banking site, you can use it once without it setting that cookie, or you can click a checkbox to have it recognize your browser next time and start with the image+phrase.

    Once all that's done, *then* it asks for your password.

  31. A simple solution by GeorgeVW · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Enter a junk password at the 'login' page. If it lets you in, it's a phishing site trying to harvest your information.

  32. Some obvious items overlooked in the study. by abb3w · · Score: 2, Insightful

    FTA: Participants proved vulnerable across the board to phishing attacks. In our study, neither education, age, sex, previous experience, nor hours of computer use showed a statistically significant correlation with vulnerability to phishing.

    No check for "familiarity with elementary principles of cryptography" giving a correlation. I suspect that anyone who recognize the significance of the names "Alice, Bob, and Eve" will probably be far less vulnerable than average.

    I'll also note that while they claim: "There is no significant correlation between the score and the primary or secondary type of browser or operating systems used by participants", their breakdown of participants indicated no Linux users were studied. Of course, Linux users are a weirdo minority, but I would be curious.

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  33. Re:Too easy to defeat. by SheeEttin · · Score: 2, Informative

    We're sorry, but we've lost your site customization settings. You can go to Preferences to re-set them. In other words, yeah right.

  34. Custom email addresses by erice · · Score: 2, Insightful

    When you create an account on a web site (your bank, ebay, paypal, your broker, whatever), you provide them with a username, password, and a whole bunch of information... why not have a field for "reverse-authentication string"?

    Then every email they send to you, they include that string in the subject line.

    You can actualy go one better today, without telling your bank what you are doing.
    Give your bank a unique email address. Never use that email address for anything else.

    The odds of getting a phish on that email address are close to nil unless you or the bank gets hacked.

    This is how I filter virtually all phishes to date. If it arrives on an address not known to the entity being represented, it's obviously a fake.

  35. Re:Too easy to defeat. by dtsazza · · Score: 2, Informative
    The user would go to the phishing site and hopefully realize something's wrong when everything looks different.

    Or would they? A notice on the top of the site saying that "to improve security, we've currently suspended personalised styles so everyone gets the default one" or "we're currently upgrading the personalised styles (to give you the next generation of smilies ;))" (or something like that) would probably take a lot of people in. I mean, look at some of the scams going round today - "update your security details", "your email address has won an email lottery", etc. I'm sure the hackers that host these sites could come up with some plausible, techie (and thus impervious to most people) 'excuse' for changing the colours.

    Besides, there's the old adage that the average user will click whatever he or she thinks will let him get his task done quickest. They might think "hmm, the colours have changed" but that'll be quickly followed by "ahh, but there's the box I need to enter my details to log in".

    Undoubtedly it'll help a little, but I reckon in the majority of cases colour change =/=> don't use this site.
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