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Office 2007 Delayed Again

Tyler Too writes "Ars Technica reports that Microsoft Office 2007 has been delayed again, this time into early 2007. 'Based on internal testing and the beta 2 feedback around product performance, we are revising our development schedule to deliver the 2007 system release by the end of year 2006, with broad general availability in early 2007.' Tough bit of timing after this week's online preview of Office 2007."

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  1. cue the obligatory joke: by MrSquirrel · · Score: 5, Funny

    Maybe it should be called Office 2008?

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    1. Re:cue the obligatory joke: by PB_TPU_40 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually they should change from the year labels, that is so Windows 95. This naming scheme is also leaving them open for these jokes when they push back shipping dates.
      Maybe they should just call it "Office V10", fewer crashes, with twice the big brother. Look here [slashdot.org] if you're unsure what I mean.

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    2. Re:cue the obligatory joke: by saridder · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Psychologically speaking, calling it Office (next version such as 2007) just sounds like an upgrade, and upgrades are tough ways to get companies to shell out money as MS has seen first hand. From a marketing perspective, Office Simple or Office Vista sounds like something new and might get companies to buy.

      If it were me, I'd call it Office Live or something else to promote its collaborative features. In fact I'd call it anything but Office (next version) to try and break out of the upgrade cycle. I'd probably do studies and conduct research and find the optimal work that most consumers and business favorably responded to. Didn't they just hire some Walmart and Proctor & Gamble execs?

      (of course, they could always be "old fashioned" and add some ground-breaking innovative features and functionality that create a new market so they wouldn't have to rely on marketing tricks).

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    3. Re:cue the obligatory joke: by ePhil_One · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Maybe they should just call it "Office V10",


      Except Office 2003 is Office v11, take a look in C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\OFFICE11, the standard install path. Just like Windows XP is NT 5.1, and Server 2003 is NT 5.2. Marketing calls it what they want, the engineers keep things sane.

      So Maybe by late next year I will be running Office v12 on NT 6.0 (or will it be 5.3? Who has the Vista beta installed?)

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    4. Re:cue the obligatory joke: by Drishmung · · Score: 3, Informative
      But "Chicago", which was to be named "Windows 4.0", was so late and had slipped so many times, that it was renamed "Windows 95" to force a 'drop-dead' ship date and encourage the troops.

      As Samuel Johnson said: "Depend upon it, sir, when a man knows he is to be hanged in a fortnight, it concentrates his mind wonderfully."

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    5. Re:cue the obligatory joke: by Zarel · · Score: 5, Informative
      NT 6.0 (or will it be 5.3? Who has the Vista beta installed?)
      It's NT 6.0.
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    6. Re:cue the obligatory joke: by SeaFox · · Score: 5, Funny

      Or Office Forever?

      That would save them from ever having to ship it.

    7. Re:cue the obligatory joke: by Wylfing · · Score: 4, Funny
      As Samuel Johnson said: "Depend upon it, sir, when a man knows he is to be hanged in a fortnight, it concentrates his mind wonderfully."

      Man, I read that as Samuel Jackson. "Depend on it, mother fucker. When a man knows he's gonna be hanged in a few weeks, it concentrates his mother fucking mind wonderfully."

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  2. Time to upgrade? by AsmCoder8088 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm still using Office '97!

    1. Re:Time to upgrade? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      And in 91 more years you will be right back in style...

    2. Re:Time to upgrade? by Skim123 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Cripes! I take it you've not seen those ads with people wearing dinosaur heads? That convinced my team to upgrade.

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  3. Lost sales by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Dang, they're going to miss the 2006 holiday season. Now what should I ask for for Christmas???

  4. Office Forever! by Tackhead · · Score: 5, Funny
    The release date of this office suite is "When it's done".

    Anything else, and we mean anything else is someone's speculation. There is no date. We don't know any date. If you have a friend who claims they have "inside info", or there's some office suite news site, or some computer store at the mall who claims they know - they do not. They are making it up. There is no date. Period.

    And yes, we know the office suite has taken a long time. There's no possible joke you could make about the office suite's development time that we haven't already heard. :)

    Except the one about us having bought out 3D Realms to redo the UI in Aero so it'll look cool under Vista, which is why their other project's a bit late, too.

  5. In other news... by gasmonso · · Score: 5, Informative

    Open Office 2.0.3 was released today for the low low cost of NOTHING :)

    http://religiousfreaks.com/
    1. Re:In other news... by alfrin · · Score: 5, Funny

      You are obviously missing a very important detail:

      Open Office 2.0.3
      Office 2007

      Seriously people, thats centuries outdated.

  6. Office 2007 to be shipped in 2007? by Nybble's+Byte · · Score: 3, Funny

    Imagine that. But maybe MS needs to hedge their bets in the future, like Windows Whenever or Windows WTF.

  7. I tried it... by citizenklaw · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I tried the beta this week. I went in with an open mind, actually I was quite eager to try the 'ribbon' thingy. My hopes where dashed by the shameful M$ data mining effort before accesing the demo.

    I don't like it. Maybe is the learning curve, but doing basic stuff in Word (changing font size, for instance) was troublesome. The terminal environment didn't work either. And Outlook? Piece of crap. I for one will stay on my current version of OpenOffice, thank you.

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    1. Re:I tried it... by SA3Steve · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The 'data mining' effort? Do you mean where they are trying to get feedback on the program? It is a BETA release...where I would think the main idea is to get feedback.

      What was troublesome about the font changing mechanism? What didn't work about the terminal environment? What could be done to improve Outlook? Feedback is always welcome I would assume, but there isn't much that Microsoft can do without feedback explaining what you felt was wrong and how you feel it could be made better.

  8. I wonder... by rilister · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ... if this could be related to re-thinking that radical user-interface change that they've attached to Word. (I use a CAD program that adopted this kind of thing a few releases back and I still detest this, just like anyone with tendonitis would detest pointless extra mouse clicks.)

    Beta preview is right the time that all their big corporate accounts would feedback "for the love of God, we're not retraining every person in the darn organization just to use Word. Now CHANGE IT BACK!"

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  9. I'm glad - its a VERY nice upgrade, but needs more by akac · · Score: 3, Interesting

    work....

    I very much enjoy using the ribbon. I think its a huge improvement in usability. If I wasn't using it in Parallels mostly and there was a Mac version, I'd use it definitely. I always liked Entourage, but I won't use it due to Rosetta (I only use PPC apps when I have no choice - with email I have a choice).

    So while I love Outlook 2007 and Word 2007, I don't enjoy the speed. Its definitely slower. So I hope they work on that more.

  10. Oops by Colin+Smith · · Score: 5, Funny

    They discovered Open Office could still read the new file format. Decided to tweak it that little bit further.

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  11. Re:Gone are the days? by richdun · · Score: 5, Funny

    Don't worry, Battlefield 2042 will be out on time, so all hope is not lost for year names.

  12. Re:Gone are the days? by MyNymWasTaken · · Score: 5, Informative

    Since when has MS released year-named products before that year?

    Windows 98 release date - June 25, 1998
    Windows 2000 release date - Feb 17, 2000
    Office 2003 release date - Oct. 21, 2003

  13. Re:Be Patient by Volante3192 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Only company I don't complain about pushing back release dates is Valve. (Might do the same for Blizzard, but newest I have of theirs is WC3:FT, and I haven't beaten it yet)

    They've shown they can justify a delay because the product is GOOD.

    Microsoft has not given me the level of confidence Valve has.

  14. Licensing 6.0 by nighty5 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Microsoft is laughing all the way to the bank.

    Not only have they locked in the vast majority of enterprise customers, they now have no pressure to deliver a product when they said they would.

    This is classic Microsoft and their best.

  15. Re:What's in it that would make me want to buy it? by Planesdragon · · Score: 5, Funny

    mean, really! 99% of the users wouldn't use anything that isn't in Office 2000

    Things that most users will use once they start using Word 2007:

    * the new, smaller XML file format.
    * Saving as XPS or PDF.
    * Blogging.

    For the first time in awhile, there's an office upgrade that's really worth getting.

  16. Oh no's! by jrmiller84 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I don't know if I can wait that long! My spreadsheets and word documents just aren't living up to their full potentiall!

    /sarcasm

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  17. Listen to Jensen Harris Before Deciding by wintermute1974 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The parent poster would probably change his mind if he were to watch any of the presentations made by Jensen Harris, the man in charge of the new Office UI.

    I am a Windows 2000/Office 97 user who does not upgrade just because Microsoft decides they need to make a few extra billions with a bump in version number and some new eye candy. I assumed (without any evidence) that the new Office would be more of the same. But then I found Jensen Harris' presentation at BayCHI last December to be so interesting that now I am excited about trying the new Office UI.

    Essentially, the new UI gets rid of the menu bars, button bars, side panels, clippy agents, personal menus and other cruft that slowly accumulated over the successive revisions of Microsoft Office. His argument is that a complex product needs a clear interface. And that's what the ribbon is: Everything is there, and its choices are always context sensitive.

    My own personal opinion is that the new interface is pure brilliance, and it won't be long before other companies start poorly(*) imitating its task-based approach over the traditional feature-based approach.

    Download the BayCHI slides and video. If you develop software, the new UI is definitely something to behold.

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    (*) The imitations will be done poorly because most other software firms do not have the huge sample of user reports automatically created in the current version of Office. The Office UI team was able to determine the frequency of commands so that even their arrangement on the ribbon will be from most-used to least.

    1. Re:Listen to Jensen Harris Before Deciding by sharkey · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Essentially, the new UI gets rid of the menu bars, button bars, side panels, clippy agents, personal menus and other cruft that slowly accumulated over the successive revisions of Microsoft Office.

      Actually, it only gets rid of some (less than half) of the "menu bars, button bars, side panels, clippy agents, personal menus and other cruft". The UI is terribly inconsistent between applications: Word, PowerPoint, Excel and Acces have the "ribbon". In Outlook, some of the windows have the new "ribbon", some have the same UI as prior versions of Office. The rest of the "Office family" has the old UI.

      The "ribbon" is learnable, but it's a pain in the ass to keep jumping back and forth. Outlook is particularly painful, since it's the app I'll use the most at work, and Microsoft's UI schizophrenia is a smack in the face with every email.

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  18. Geeze by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If you don't have anything original to say, then don't say anything at all.

    I was quite impressed with the Office 2007 beta and was surpised to learn that performance was an issue. One of the features I really like is the ability to do real-time previews of different style sets, which performed quickly. The UI is also quite streamlined and its obvious Microsoft is trying something new with UI design that no other OS can attest to.

    I just am amazed that when there is an article that talks about how slow Microsoft's product development is taking, people complain about how long it is taking. But when Microsoft was turning out Office and OS updates with only a year or two between them, people were complaining about how fast an unecesary it was for MS to come out with something new so quickly.

    The bottom line is, people don't got anything new, or original to say about Microsoft, and it gets pretty tired. I don't know if people think they are being witty or smart when they post another "insert common misperception here" comment.

    The saddest part is, how may people are using MS products every day. I mean 90% of the desktop market uses Windows, so you kind of have to wonder if Slashdot is only read and commented on by 10% of the computer market.

    1. Re:Geeze by killjoe · · Score: 3, Funny

      I wish people would not make fun of my favorite corporation. It's just not fair that ordinary people should critize or mock my favorite corporation. I mean sure they have a billion dollar marketing budget and all but how are they supposed to stand up to the abuse ordinary people on slashdot heap on them.

      Thank god MS has people like you to stand up for them. What would they ever do without you defending them against the unwashed masses!.

      BTW: My favorite corporation is maytag. I hang out at washing machine forums and defend maytag anytime anybody critizes them, says their products are not that good, or mocks them.

      I think people who critize corporations are so sad. They probably still live in their mothers basement or something. If they were adults they too would adopt a corporation and defend them valiently on public forums. Too bad there are not more people like you and me.

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  19. Re:OpenOffice FTW! by PhxBlue · · Score: 3, Informative

    I've heard of hitting a fly with a hammer, but this is the first time I can recall hearing of hitting a nail with a flyswatter.

    Seriously, if you need spreadsheets that big, you don't need spreadsheets--you need a database.

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  20. Re:What's in it that would make me want to buy it? by Planesdragon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Anyone that wants PDF or Blogging from Word probably has that without 2007.

    No, not really.

    PDF with Word you can get by either going through the hassle of installing a second printer subsystem, the frustration of getting a sub-par system for a modest fee, or the expense of buying a software package whose cost can equal that of Word.

    Blogging -- there is no in-Word blogging for any system prior than 2007. Period. At best, you can get an ugly cut-and-paste that will either get you no benefit or just give you bloat.

    And if you think that only tech-savy users want PDFs or Blogging, you've spent too much time navel gazing.

  21. Re:My First Experience with OpenOffice by killjoe · · Score: 3, Funny

    Can I work for you? I promise never to disagree with you or tell you something you don't want to hear. I just want you to send me to japan where I can drink and sing karaoke all night and get paid for it.

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