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Apple Investigated Over Stock Options

blamanj writes "Apple has joined the list of over fifty companies (most in Silicon Valley) that possibly mishandled stock options by backdating them. The technique is not illegal, but it can cause a company to improperly deduct employee compensation expenses and result in an underpayment of taxes. So far, Apple is conducting the investigation itself, but it has notified the SEC."

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  1. So by Eightyford · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Boring....

  2. I'm investigating myself. by crazyjeremy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So, Apple investigates itself over something that isn't exactly illegal?

    1. Re:I'm investigating myself. by Otter · · Score: 4, Informative
      It's not (at the moment) illegal per se. It does lead to accounting, disclosure and tax improprieties if it's not reported.

      In any case, the self-investigation does seem strange -- how could the company not know if it had been done? If they really don't know, I'd say that's an issue in itself.

    2. Re:I'm investigating myself. by geekoid · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's not thaty strange. The accounting dept is probably many people. SOmeone may have made a mistake that went unchecked(maybe). Someone notices an oddity and starts an ivestigation. Since it involves stocks, and they want to minimize there risk, they notify the SEC.

      Hardly the first company to do this. Probably not event the 10th company to do this this year.

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    3. Re:I'm investigating myself. by Fordiman · · Score: 2, Informative

      Backdating options isn't illegal, per se. In fact, it used to be common practice to backdate stock option compensation to the beginning of the FY.

      However, it has recently become illegal to offer stock options as compensation without expensing them (it used to not be - and a given company could reduce their taxes and inflate their bottom line by nonexpensing of stock options).

      Because of this, if Apple's accounting was still backdating options after the new rules were passed, they would technically be exempt from expensing. The FASB would have one word to say to that: "Tax Fraud".

      So basically, the audit process would have to go like this: If Apple's accounting accidentally backdated compensation options past the 'rules' line, then, without thinking about it (because there's usually so much going on, you'd normally only check the option date, not the signing date) failed to expense them, they have to correct the error, fix their earnings profile, and disclose the correction to their stockholders.

      Ironically, Microsoft is one of a few tech companies who took care of this (ie: started expensing stock options) well before the new rules went into effect. I guess they figured they have enough legal problems.

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    4. Re:I'm investigating myself. by NeutronCowboy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This is actually serious business. Several companies have had these informal internal investigations turn into full-fledged audits by the SEC. Furthermore, a number of companies (2 that I remember off the top of my head, and more that are lurking) deemed it necessary to fire their entire executive staff over this stuff.

      Backdating options is serious business, as it conflicts with a number of SEC regulations. Think about it - it's all the advantages of stock, without any of its drawbacks.

      Apple might be starting this as an internal investigation, but I'd watch this carefully to see how this pans out. Depending on how egregious Apple was with its back dating, consequences might be as benign as restating some earnings to a delisting and a wholesale firing of executives, along with a massive drop in stock price. Time to sell Apple.

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  3. That's the last straw by Pink+Tinkletini · · Score: 2, Funny

    Apple: officially "beleaguered" again.

  4. Holy misleading headling, batman by MustardMan · · Score: 5, Funny

    Slashdot headline creation in a nutshell...

    MustardMan decides to take his dog to the vet to check for diseases.

    Slashdot headline: MustardMan's dog being investigated for deadly pathogens!

  5. CORRECTION. by jcr · · Score: 4, Informative

    This headline is complete BS. Apple's own internal auditors found something that might be an issue, and Apple reported it to the SEC themselves.

    -jcr

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  6. Bizarre article by Infonaut · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Apple is one of 57 companies being investigated. Who are the other 56 companies? No links, no nothing.

    Stock options in the Valley are definitely a problem, and if Apple screwed up, they deserve whatever they get. However, they did inform the SEC, so it seems a bit early to get out the stakes and holy water.

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    1. Re:Bizarre article by Eightyford · · Score: 2, Funny
      Apple is one of 57 companies being investigated.
      Is Heinz one of them?
    2. Re:Bizarre article by stick-boy · · Score: 2, Informative

      This site: http://www.reed-electronics.com/electronicnews/art icle/CA6338353.html seems to have a pretty good sized list of companies and news on this topic. My company http://www.intuit.com/ is also one of them and had a press release today http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D8II3 R980.htm?sub=apn_tech_down&chan=tc saying that they have now been issued a subpoena after starting their own internal investigation over a month ago.

    3. Re:Bizarre article by Bob+Cat+-+NYMPHS · · Score: 2, Funny
      Is Heinz one of them?

      Perhaps, but it will take a long time for the ineformation to come out.
  7. I am sorry, but this article in no way by geekoid · · Score: 4, Insightful

    deserves to be on slashdot.

    what next, a deep look inside Apples accounting practices? Followed by an investigative report on which urinal cakes Apple uses?

    None of that is News for Nerds, or stuff that matter..

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    1. Re:I am sorry, but this article in no way by The+Bungi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Unless it was Microsoft, of course. But Apple doesn't "deserve it", I guess? Funny how that works around here.

    2. Re:I am sorry, but this article in no way by tehcyder · · Score: 3, Funny
      a deep look inside Apples accounting practices
      You make that sound...dirty somehow.
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  8. The real Apple news... by acm · · Score: 2, Interesting
    The real news that I haven't seen on Slashdot yet, is that an analyst has predicted that Apple is going to delay shipping the next round of iPods.

    Link

    1. Re:The real Apple news... by ivan256 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yeah, but when they asked that analyst for his source, he introduced the interviewer to his bare ass. When they asked him for references, he was only able to point to one other published report where he said the MacBook Pro was going to be delayed until July 2006.

      This, on the other hand, is actually happening.

  9. Not Illegal?? by carpeweb · · Score: 2

    According to The San Francisco Chronicle:

    "Regulators are investigating whether companies broke securities and tax laws by backdating stock-option grants to coincide with the lowest possible price. The practice of backdating is drawing scrutiny because it maximizes the amount of money executives can make in exercising options."

    It seems like plenty of As need Cing, but I think it's way to early to say "the technique is not illegal".

  10. Pathetic? by Ruff_ilb · · Score: 2, Informative

    In light of recent events, I think it's difficult to call Warren Buffet greedy or pathetic. As a self-made man, he lives remarkably frugally, and is exceptionally philanthropic. For more information, check the Wikipedia article on him.

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  11. from the slight-of-hands dept. by PavementPizza · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And you know what they say about a cowboy with slight hands, don't you?

    Sigh...a six-word subtitle, and it contains a typo. (It's sleight. sleight of hand, not slight of hand.)

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  12. Apple == Boring by OverlordQ · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You know, I'd put my entire Karma on the line to say that if this was M$, instead of "Yawn, is this news?" posts, this entire story would be "M$ Anti-trust! Evil! Screwing their workers!" posts.

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    1. Re:Apple == Boring by NaugaHunter · · Score: 2, Funny

      You know, I'd put my entire Karma on the line to say that if this was M$, instead of "Yawn, is this news?" posts, this entire story would be "M$ Anti-trust! Evil! Screwing their workers!" posts.

      No, it would be 'Holy shit! Microsoft is taking responsibility for something!"

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  13. Re:Once again... by jcr · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If this were IBM, Microsoft or even Red Hat, all the usual slashdot mac-zealots would be calling for their heads.

    No, if any of those companies found a problem in the course of their own audits and reported it as Apple has, it would be just as much of a non-event as this is.

    -jcr

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  14. Re:Once again... by Fordiman · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm a linux fanboy, and even I know this is something that just has to happen for a lot of companies.

    Apple, Goole and others lobbied hard against the new FASB rules that makes this step necessary; without them, these companies could continue to artifically inflate their bottom lines.

    How it works:
    The old FASB rules didn't force a company to expense stock options. As such, they didn't come out of their bottom lines.

    Meanwhile, whenever an option was exercised, the company would get a tax break for the 'expense'.

    In other words, a company could spend money without noting it, and get a tax break if it was converted to cash. Nice little loophole there. It's essentially tax fraud without the illegalness. It was a great boon for the internet startups of the mid to late 90's, since they could have a very large pile of capital they could pay their emplyees with without it looking like they were diminishing their capital.

    Under the new rules, stock options must be written down as an expense. The tax break still exists, but now it doesn't inflate the stock price, leaving it more balanced.
    Option is expensed. Stock price goes down.
    Option is exercised. The added demand and tax break brings the stock price back up.

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  15. Worst of all, backdating costs investors by GringoGoiano · · Score: 3, Informative

    When the employee exercises a stock option they are paying the company for the share. If the company back-dates an option to lower the strike price for an employee, the employee pays less for it.



    Scenario:


    • No back-dating:
         

      •    
      • company stock price 2006/07: $25
           
      • company stock price 2006/09 (stock grant date): $30, stock strike price set at $30
           
      • employee exercises/sells 1 share on 2010/09, current price $50: employee pays company $30, employee sells $50, $20 profit
           

    • Back-dating:
         

      •    
      • company stock price 2006/07: $25
           
      • company stock price 2006/09 (stock grant date, but back-dated to 2006/07): $30, stock strike price set at $25
           
      • employee exercises/sells 1 share on 2010/09, current price $50: employee pays company $25, employee sells $50, $25 profit
           



    The employee makes a bigger profit, the company loses. This is the worst
    side-effect of back-dating stock options. You're cheating the other shareholders.


  16. Re:Sad by llf4nlp · · Score: 2, Informative

    Accuracy lacking on this one:
    Options that went to the CEO were cancelled, never used.
    Get your facts straight, dude.

  17. You're confusing tax and accounting by rmcd · · Score: 2, Informative

    Tax and accounting are two different things. (Maybe they shouldn't be, but that's a different story.) The tax issue you're discussing isn't fraud, it's the way the compensation taxes are supposed to work. There is a different tax issue related to backdating. I will discuss it below and I suppose it could be described as fradulent.

    Suppose an option gives an employee the right to buy $100 shares for $20. The right to do this is worth $80. When the employee exercises, the company gets a deduction for $80 and the employee is taxed on $80 of ordinary income. This is the standard treatment for compensation: a tax on one side is a deduction on the other. A payment of $80 cash to the employee yields the same treatment (tax deduction for the company, tax for the employee).

    The *accounting* treatment under the old rules was definitely screwed up by failing to *ever* recognize expense. However the IRS didn't make the same mistake.

    There is a different and more subtle tax issue that arises with backdating. Under the 1993 Clinton tax act, compensation in excess of $1 million is not deductible unless it is performance related. There is a possibility that backdating will lead to the option grant being deemed "not performance related" (since it has a baked-in gain due to backdating). In this case the company will lose the deduction when the option is exercised. The employee would still have to pay taxes. If an executive had exercised $100 million of backdated options, the company could lose the deduction on this amount. When news stories refer to tax issues related to backdating, I think this is mainly what they're talking about.