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Portrait of an Identity Thief

Ant writes to tell us that the New York Times has a closer look and an interview with an identity theft addict. From the article: "As far back as 2002, Mr. Sharma began picking the locks on consumer credit lines using a computer, the Internet and a deep understanding of online commerce, Internet security and simple human nature, obtained through years of trading insights with like-minded thieves in online forums. And he deployed the now-common rods and reels of data theft -- e-mail solicitations and phony Web sites -- that fleece the unwitting."

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  1. Its remarkably easy to scam people by CrazyJim1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The reason most people don't do it is because they're honest and want to help out the human race instead of being a drain on society.

    1. Re:Its remarkably easy to scam people by uvajed_ekil · · Score: 5, Insightful
      The reason most people don't do it is because they're honest and want to help out the human race instead of being a drain on society.

      I think of myself as an honest person, but a desire to retain my freedom has also kept me from straying into a life of crime. And whether or not a need to be honest is universal I don't know, but I suspect the deterrent of prison is enough to keep most people straight. Lots of us have the skills and opportunities to commit some fairly lucrative crimes, though we choose not to, for whichever reason.

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    2. Re:Its remarkably easy to scam people by Korin43 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Considering how much money could be made through illegal means and how easily, morals are a much more important deterrent than the police. The police are the back up plan ;)

    3. Re:Its remarkably easy to scam people by Achromatic1978 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I know... what a joke... an 'identify theft addict'. What, is stealing someone's identity this year's new black/bipolar? It's not a fucking mental illness.

    4. Re:Its remarkably easy to scam people by ozmanjusri · · Score: 4, Insightful
      what invariably happens when ordinary citizens are left with only their own morals to keep them honest - and it ain't pretty.

      True. They tend to form governments to get themselves organised, and it all goes downhill from there.

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    5. Re:Its remarkably easy to scam people by TubeSteak · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I know... what a joke... an 'alcohol addict'.
      I know... what a joke... a 'heroin addict'.
      I know... what a joke... a 'self mutilation addict'.

      He obviosly gets the same kind of rush from identity theft that people get from shoplifting, gambling, drug use, etc.

      Just about anything can be addictive.

      Examples: Rich people shoplifting & depressed people cutting themselves. Obviously neither group is doing it for their health.

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    6. Re:Its remarkably easy to scam people by flyingfsck · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It is interesting how religious groups always claim the moral high ground, even though the whole operation is a scam, that plays on simple people's feelings of insecurity and then rip them off for the benefit of the church masters.

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    7. Re:Its remarkably easy to scam people by MBCook · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Everything is a mental illness.

      If it is a mental illness, that means two things. It's not your fault (hint: it is), and it's a condition (hint: thus insurance must pay). No one in America has problems. Those would be their fault and they would have to pay a shrink to talk about them. But if you make it an illness...

      What was that one that was "discovered" last month? Intermittent Explosive Disorder, aka "a really short temper."

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    8. Re:Its remarkably easy to scam people by Nutria · · Score: 2, Insightful

      the list would be very long.

      Any time you've got lots of older boys & young men without a disciplining influence, there will be trouble.

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    9. Re:Its remarkably easy to scam people by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 5, Funny

      I think of myself as an honest person, but a desire to retain my freedom has also kept me from straying into a life of crime.

      That's funny.

      As an honest American, I find that my desire to retain my freedom is pushing me closer and closer to a life of crime with each passing day.

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    10. Re:Its remarkably easy to scam people by QuantumFTL · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What was that one that was "discovered" last month? Intermittent Explosive Disorder, aka "a really short temper."

      What about this is not a mental disorder? Society says you are not supposed to have a short temper, and typically having a short temper is not something that a person typically chooses.

      I would postulate that given any person, there exists something you can do that will push them too far - something that will make them uncontrollably angry. For some it could be as simple as punching them in the face, or taunting them rudely for a while. For others it may take more. In either case, becoming angry is not a choice that the person is making - they may choose to try and suppress the emotion, but the human mind has only a very finite capability for handling aggression (as it is part of a very necessary fight-or-flight aggression system).

      I was once injured on purpose in gym class back in high school (it was somewhat minor, but extremely painful), and I can still remember the incredible adrenaline rush and rage that followed - I was barely able to contain it (even thinking about it 8 years later affects me strongly), and if the person who had caused the injury had done anything more, such as taunting me, I would no longer have been able to restrain myself (likely resulting in significant injury to that jerk, as the human body can abuse itself temporarily to gain signifcant strength during an adrenaline rush). I, for one, do not think this makes me a bad person - it's something that mammals evolved a long time ago (and man extensively since becoming intensely social creatures). There does exist a point at which the rational mind simply cannot override it.

      Back to mental illness... OED says that a mental illness is "a condition which causes serious abnormality in a person's thinking or behaviour." Some people simply have too short of a fuse - not because they felt like being an asshole, but because of a combination of genetic/environmental factors. It is probably good for these people to learn more about anger management to stretch their fuse a bit, but it is also probably wise for others to avoid provoking them. It's possible even that things that typically aren't a big deal to most people may be significant provokation for someone who has a serious temper issue - this makes it difficult for them to function well in society, and is thus a serious abnormality. There might not be a pill that makes it magically go away, but it doesn't make it any less serious of an issue.

      Of course that does not mean that all people who think they have IED actually have it, or even if IED has been properly defined... mental health is a field which is still poorly understood on the whole, and sometimes wanders away from the realm of scientific fact, however if being diagnosed with a problem helps people seek treatment (and yes, mental health is a legitimate use of insurance money... it doesn't matter whether you have a cure for cancer or whatnot if a person's just going to kill themselves anyways due to a chemical imbalance).

      I'm all for personal responsibility for the choices people make, but I do not think this is one of them. And for a rather small set of the population, it can be a socially crippling problem.

    11. Re:Its remarkably easy to scam people by bsartist · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Could you name a few examples?
      First, I want to point out that it's very rare for someone to be in a situation where they have absolutely no concern for the consequences of their actions. Statistics say that here in the US, about 90% of the population describes themselves as spiritual. Most religions have some notion of an afterlife of pain or punishment, or karmic balance, or some such - i.e. consequences. And virtually anyplace you go in the world you'll find some sort of organized police force.

      What's left to look at are those who are in a position of power and influence, and either aren't religious or believe that God is on their side - i.e. people who have either absolutely no concern with the consequences of their actions (in this world or the next) or believe those consequences will be positive in nature. People like Josef Stalin, Jim Jones, and Saddam Hussein.

      Also, any parent will tell you the importance of teaching children about right vs. wrong. Have you ever really thought about what that says about our inborn tendencies? Why would that lesson need to be taught, if we weren't essentially amoral by nature? Further, look at how that lesson is taught. Do we teach our children to avoid being bad simply because it's bad? Or do we teach them that being bad has consequences?

      What it essentially comes down to is a question of belief. The question of whether people are inherently good or evil has been debated forever, with no conclusive answer to it in sight. I have my beliefs on the matter, but I recognize those for what they are - belief, not knowledge. If you believe differently, I won't tell you that you're wrong, because I can't prove that. But neither can you prove that my belief is wrong.
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    12. Re:Its remarkably easy to scam people by JavaRob · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Most religions have some notion of an afterlife of pain or punishment, or karmic balance, or some such - i.e. consequences.
      More importantly, doing "bad" things tends to have much more immediate consequences. Most immoral things are "bad" because you are harming someone else. Someone who will, in all likelihood, not be very happy about it, and will try to:
      1) stop you from doing it again and/or
      2) harm you in return: perhaps physically, or (for example) telling everyone what you did harms you socially.

      Of course, if you don't get caught and aren't suspected, you don't need to worry about that directly. But we're social animals; we have some instincts and passed-on skills (empathy, conscience, etc.) to help us live in cooperative groups.

      Also, any parent will tell you the importance of teaching children about right vs. wrong. Have you ever really thought about what that says about our inborn tendencies? Why would that lesson need to be taught, if we weren't essentially amoral by nature?
      That lesson needs to be taught, perhaps, because we're essentially *stupid* by nature. We've evolved into a species that passes on essential knowledge to our offspring via teaching (because it works a lot better than only passing on slowly-evolved instincts!). If you raise kids without passing on the essentials (including how to interact with others), you're sending them out into the world as cripples, and they're going to screw up a lot and be miserable. That's not their "natural state" -- normally, this knowledge would have been passed on. In the natural human state, the parent teaches the child.

      Questions like "are we essentially amoral or moral" aren't really answerable just because they don't match up well with the real situation. Morality is the "best practices" we've figured out over time: how to live and cooperate with other people with a minimum of frustration and fighting. A kid might figure out some of that stuff on his own ("damn, I punch just one girl and now nobody wants to talk to me..."), just like he might figure out a hammer is for hitting things with... but without teaching, he's not going to master it any more than he'd master driving a car out into traffic if he found one sitting in the garage one day.

      Further, look at how that lesson is taught. Do we teach our children to avoid being bad simply because it's bad? Or do we teach them that being bad has consequences?
      If you teach your kid that he'll get punished when he grabs Billy's toy, he learns that *you* don't want him to grab toys. If you teach him to observe that Billy is sad when his toy is stolen, and Billy might be his friend if they share toys instead, and it feels good to have a friend... well, you're teaching him how to act even when you're not around, for starters. You're also giving him skills he can use in many other situations.
    13. Re:Its remarkably easy to scam people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "What's left to look at are those who are in a position of power and influence, and either aren't religious or believe that God is on their side - i.e. people who have either absolutely no concern with the consequences of their actions (in this world or the next) or believe those consequences will be positive in nature. People like Josef Stalin, Jim Jones, and Saddam Hussein."

      Ah, the classic "all atheists are evil, because they do not believe in god" argument. Don't you see anything wrong with it? Stalin etc. are no more representative for atheists than Hitler was for the christians, because they are not only individuals but also in a position of power and we all know that if someone is successful in politics it is because of a lack of morals and a lot of lying.

      If you consider the common man, you see that being religious means being able to call on justification by religion whenever you wish. Some do it, some don't, but the possibility is there, a possibility atheists do not have, so they always have to justify themselves in front of themselves - if you do it, you will find it very difficult to behave unethically, if you don't, you are working in politics or marketing.

      Also: If someone believes he only has this life instead of believing that he will have an after- or next life in which he is rewarded for what he perceives to be good and punished for what he perceives to be evil, don't you prefer the atheist who has to deal with the real world to the religious people who believe that belief makes right?

      Of course, I technically can't support my point that atheists are more ethical than religious people, so let's agree that both are people and therefore some of them are more and some less ethical in their behaviour.

      (Originally, I was going to use the argument "there are proportionally more religious people in prisons in the US" - however, there are also more blacks in prison, because they are mistreated [no real chance in life, thus committing crime; automatically assumed guilty out of the belief, that they are subhuman], which also leads them to be more religious to find an "explaination" for their misery, thus skewing the statistics on religious people in prisons.)

      "Also, any parent will tell you the importance of teaching children about right vs. wrong. Have you ever really thought about what that says about our inborn tendencies? Why would that lesson need to be taught, if we weren't essentially amoral by nature? Further, look at how that lesson is taught. Do we teach our children to avoid being bad simply because it's bad? Or do we teach them that being bad has consequences?"

      If you are what is perceived "bad" in your culture, you are shunned by your peers and thus have a difficult life, lacking the support of others, often even receiving open hostility. This is a consequence and you don't need an afterlife for it.

    14. Re:Its remarkably easy to scam people by Flyboy+Connor · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Its remarkably easy to scam people

      Unfortunately, this is all too true.

      Just this morning, I read two stories on the second page of my (Dutch) newspaper.

      The first described a woman who was director of a collective that was supposed to arrange fake marriages for immigrants who wanted to get Dutch citizenship. She asked for 20,000 euros for each arrangement. Of course, once she had the money, she didn't bother contacting the potential immigrant again. She made at least 80 million euros this way. She was fined the "huge sum" of 3.3 million euros. A nice profit, I would say.

      The second described some crooks who phoned US dentists and offered them investments in stocks of fine wines. They got at least 100 million euros this way. After collecting the money, they ran to South America. The wines, of course, did not exist. They are currently being prosecuted - in their absence. No doubt they will get big prison sentences - which they will have to serve if they ever set foot in the US or in Europe again. Not that they have any reason to return.

      What struck from these stories is how incredibly easy it is to get a shitload of money when you have no scruples. You don't need special skills. Just a phone and a bit of creativity in establishing your "good name" is sufficient. I mean, these US dentists sent all their pension money to The Netherlands because they got a phone call. Of course, these are the same people that believe that Nigerians are willing to share several millions of US dollars with them just for lending them a bank account number.

      Many (otherwise quite smart) people are obnoxiously stupid when confronted with a crook that promises them gold mountains. In my case, the main reason that I do not exploit that is that I am quite happy with my current sappy salary, and I just have too much (misplaced?) empathy with my fellow men. But this stupidity makes me quite mad anyway.

    15. Re:Its remarkably easy to scam people by Achromatic1978 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Isn't it? If the small slap on the wrist I keep getting is my punishment for a very large reward, then it could just as easily be a perfectly rational cost-benefit/risk-reward decision.

    16. Re:Its remarkably easy to scam people by Eivind · · Score: 2
      Also, any parent will tell you the importance of teaching children about right vs. wrong. Have you ever really thought about what that says about our inborn tendencies?

      Not much. It basically says that to function well as part of a society, you need to know the rules of that society. We say "rigth and wrong" but in reality we mostly mean accepted and/or not-accepted by society.

      The rules you need to know are different for different societies, so obviously they'll have to be learnt after birth.

      An American child does not need to learn that sitting in such a manner as to expose the undersides of his feet to a stranger (for example at a beach) is "wrong", a child from Dubai does.

      A child from Germany needs to learn that saying "Gesundheit" when somebody near you sneeze is expected behaviour. A Norwegian child don't.

      A child from a village in Amazonas does not need to learn that going outdoors without clothes would be "wrong", a child from Atlanta does.

      In some cultures children learn that having more than one wife is "wrong", in others they don't. In some cultures having more than one husband is perfectly fine, in others it'd be "wrong".

      There's a gazillion such rules. Most are, if not completely arbitrary, then atleast strongly culturally varying. Having to learn them has little to do with any universal concept of rigth and wrong, and much more with successfully interacting with a society.

      This says nothing about our born morality, or lack thereof. All it does say is that training is required to learn a complex set of behavioural expectations.

    17. Re:Its remarkably easy to scam people by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And for every looter there's about 50 honest people who are not looting.

      You can't prove anything about human nature by using the extremes like Stalin and looters in a city.. you have to look at the whole - and in general we do tend to act for the good of society (which is a good evolutionary trait btw.).

    18. Re:Its remarkably easy to scam people by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 2, Funny

      Slightly off-topic, but I thought Intermittent Explosive Disorder is what I experience after trips to Taco Bell.

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    19. Re:Its remarkably easy to scam people by DamnStupidElf · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Questions like "are we essentially amoral or moral" aren't really answerable just because they don't match up well with the real situation. Morality is the "best practices" we've figured out over time: how to live and cooperate with other people with a minimum of frustration and fighting. A kid might figure out some of that stuff on his own ("damn, I punch just one girl and now nobody wants to talk to me..."), just like he might figure out a hammer is for hitting things with... but without teaching, he's not going to master it any more than he'd master driving a car out into traffic if he found one sitting in the garage one day.

      If morals are just best practices, doesn't that imply amorality as the initial state? I think that's basically true: Humans will do whatever triggers their pleasure center, whether it be physical, emotional, or social interaction. Once humans develop the ability to reason and plan, they will plan to do things that result in pleasure. Morality just happens to be what has evolved as a compromise between hedonism and idealism. Just about everything in that range has been the basis for different human societies, and many societies with vastly different morals than typical Western ones have survived as long or longer than a lot of Western societies. Humans have also readily adapted to major changes in morality within, usually, a single generation or two. Just look at rock and roll, the decline of marriage (especially worldwide, not just the US), gay marriage, the death penalty, and a host of other issues that are completely changing the general idea of morality that people had for hundreds of years.

  2. Yeah... by GammaKitsune · · Score: 5, Funny

    That is what worries Mr. Sharma's wife, Damaris, 21, who has no time for the Internet as she raises the couple's 1-year-old daughter, Bellamarie.
    "I hate computers," she said. "I think they're the devil."


    Sorry. I just thought that was funny, and had to post it.

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    1. Re:Yeah... by bsartist · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, I got a laugh out of it. But it's kind of depressing to think about, and all too common - too many people would rather blame the tool (in this case a computer) than admit that their spouse/child/dog/whatever has done something wrong. It's sad to think that this woman might truly believe that a machine somehow corrupted her poor innocent husband and turned him to a live of evil.

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    2. Re:Yeah... by 0racle · · Score: 4, Funny

      I hate it when people over react. Computers are the TOOLS of the Devil, not the Devil himself.

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    3. Re:Yeah... by CastrTroy · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yes, but everything offers temptation. Even church offers temptation for some people. Church is the ultimate temptation. Do what we say, and you'll go to heaven when you die, and live in happiness for eternity. If someone goes to church everyday, do we say they are addicted, and send them to rehab? All things have the power to do evil. Doing something that hurts others is wrong. Doing something that detracts from your own well being is bad. But saying that a tool is "the devil" because it can be used for evil is just stupid. The computer has helped tons more people then it has caused harm to. Are we supposed to outlaw cameras because they can be use for spying, or child porn?

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  3. so what proof do we have of this guys actual name by RobertLTux · · Score: 4, Funny

    n/t

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  4. Stupid Criminal? by locokamil · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Can anyone say... script kiddie?

    The guy is clearly dumb as a rock. Who the hell takes a stolen credit card, buys stuff with it, and then has the stuff delivered to his doorstep???!!? I don't know jack about stealing identities, but this guy's MO is just plain stoopid.

    Trust the mainstream media to make him sound like some kind of twisted, tortured genius.

    1. Re:Stupid Criminal? by Freaky+Spook · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Most criminals are dumb, thats why.

      He may not be robbing liquor stores but what he is doing is till fairly petty crime, it doesn't take much intelligence to do what he does.

      Thats probably the reason why you see so many people getting caught for this stuff, any geek knows the dangers of using a stolen credit card and ways to avoid getting caught, but I'm sure most of them are too busy posting on slashdot to bother.

    2. Re:Stupid Criminal? by Pink+Tinkletini · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, most criminals who get caught are dumb. You don't hear about the smart ones--they don't get caught.

    3. Re:Stupid Criminal? by NormalVisual · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That's exactly how the situation was related to a friend of mine by a wiser-than-average deputy sheriff some years ago. The crimes that get solved are usually the ones perpetrated by criminals that fail to plan ahead, or whose impulses exceed their capability for rational and careful thought.

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    4. Re:Stupid Criminal? by mochan_s · · Score: 3, Interesting
      The guy is clearly dumb as a rock. Who the hell takes a stolen credit card, buys stuff with it, and then has the stuff delivered to his doorstep???!!? I don't know jack about stealing identities, but this guy's MO is just plain stoopid.

      That is what he got caught and charged on.

      But consider this scenario. Suppose he uses Paypal to send money through credit cards to a fake account linked to a bank account created using a fake driver's license and social security number. I don't think the banks actually have a way to check the validity of either of them.

      Now, if he got your online banking info and a maybe copy of your check (not sure about this part, my bank just started not using full numbers just last month in online banking), you're screwed. It can be emptied and no chargebacks - nothing.

      The main evil is those phishing e-mails. If you get enter your info in there, you're screwed big time.

      I suppose it's easier to get credit cards by buying lists from hackers who have gotten into e-commerce sites but maybe more dangerous to use?

      But, this is not even identity theft; the real evil starts when people start taking loans in your name. This happened at our local housing complex. The parents of students going to school would co-sign the lease agreements that required a SSN and address and all that. A clerk working there would copy the document and request whatever amount of financial aid she wanted and just cash it in. She got caught only because she was too stupid to cover her trail. I'm sure there are a lot of experts out there who do it perfectly and cover their trail perfectly.

      BTW, as a disclaimer, this is just stuff I've noticed. I don't visit or know of those ID theft sites.

  5. Addict, My Foot by PavementPizza · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What's this "identity theft addict" balonium? Do you call bank robbers "bank robbing addicts"? All bad behavior is not addiction. The guy is a lowlife crook who found an easy way to make money and kept coming back to it, plain and simple.

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    1. Re:Addict, My Foot by Mad_Rain · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What's this "identity theft addict" balonium? Do you call bank robbers "bank robbing addicts"? All bad behavior is not addiction. The guy is a lowlife crook who found an easy way to make money and kept coming back to it, plain and simple.

      According to one of the investigators, ""We were surprised at how forthcoming he was," Mr. Ruh said. "He was very proud of his accomplishments."

      Looking back at some of Mr. Sharma's other comments in the article, I began to check off a number of traits that may or may not be evident: Glib and superficial charm; Grandiose sense of self-worth; Need for stimulation; Pathological lying; Conning and manipulativeness; Lack of remorse or guilt; Shallow affect; Callousness and lack of empathy; Parasitic lifestyle; Poor behavioral controls; Promiscuous sexual behavior; Early behavior problems; Lack of realistic, long-term goals; Impulsivity; Irresponsibility; Failure to accept responsibility for own actions; Many short-term marital relationships; Juvenile delinquency; Revocation of conditional release; Criminal versatility.

      Those traits make up a common psychopath.

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    2. Re:Addict, My Foot by jcr · · Score: 2, Funny

      He's addicted to this type of behavior and cannot control his actions.

      "Sucks to be him, counselor. His victims are addicted to kicking the shit out of him. Bailiff, please throw the defendant to the gallery."

      -jcr

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  6. No Remorse??? by innocence18 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Did anyone else find this guys total lack of remorse in his actions a little...well...wrong!

    Not to mention this quote

    Mr. Sharma said, "because by then things have changed so much that it will be kind of hard for me to just go back in there and do everything."

    which implies that if it wasn't hard to get back in to he might consider it.

    What an ass!

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    1. Re:No Remorse??? by TubeSteak · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The man is trying to set goals for himself. "If I can just make it a year or two without doing it" kinda stuff.

      It's like a druggie rationalizing "If I don't score for a year or two, by then things will have changed so much that it will be kind of hard for me to just go back out there and buy drugs again."

      What that statement really reveals is that he hasn't quite accepted that, if it really is an addictive behavior for him, he'll never be able to use a computer again and go near a chatroom or web forum without someone sitting at his shoulder monitoring what he does & where he goes.

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  7. Shiva Sharma? by bsartist · · Score: 5, Funny

    Are we offshoring identity theft to India too?

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    1. Re:Shiva Sharma? by pen · · Score: 2, Funny

      We must take action quickly and protect our economy against this offshoring threat. I propose introducing legislation that creates incentive to conducting identity theft within our borders instead of off-shoring it.

  8. Identity theft ISN'T! by SonicSpike · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Fraud |= theft. In plain English, fraud does not equal theft.

    It's the same as the copyright argument. You cannot steal someone's identity. You can use it frauduantly. You can pose as someone you are not. You can give false witness. But identity fraud ISN'T!

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    1. Re:Identity theft ISN'T! by Chabil+Ha' · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, let us consider what an identity is, then. Say someone came to your home, took your face, robbed you of your fingerprints, and any other identifying marks on your person. Then they take some clothes typically worn by you. Then, they take your cards and do things in your name. Even the people who see your 'face' at the store see that your perpatrator is you. They do viscious things in your name.

      Now, we all know that is pretty far fetched. But taking identifying *information* about you and doing things with that is not that much different. My SS#, my CC#, my PINs, etc. identify who I am in the absence of me being able to be there in person, so yes, it is identity theft.

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    2. Re:Identity theft ISN'T! by SonicSpike · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No drugs...

      I was talking about "theft of identity" not "using an identity in a fraudulent manner to commit theft". And you are right, fraud usually does lead to theft. But stealing someone's identity is near impossible.

      And both theft and fraud are criminal and should be treated as such.

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  9. The essential psychological basis of a criminal by jjohnson · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...is with the absence of any sense of responsibility for the consequences.

    "It's an addiction, no doubt about that," said Mr. Sharma

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  10. Congress ... maybe. Banks ... they don't care. by khasim · · Score: 2, Interesting
    The banking industry as well as Congress and just about every commerce site out there is just drooling to get their hands on a REAL identity thief. The "example" they make of them should be grand! I can just see it....Nothing left but a smoking boot!
    The banks don't care. Really, they don't.

    They get paid no matter what.

    The only people who suffer are the retailers who sold the stuff and who now get hit with a chargeback so they're out the money AND the product ...

    And the guy who got his number stolen.

    If the banks had to pay even 10% of the annual loss due to fraud, they'd be clamping down on EVERYTHING you did with your credit cards.

    Congress will like it because it gives them something that they can claim they are doing something about. But, in the end, they'll do nothing.

    It all comes down to WHO has to pay for these crimes. And the banks have made sure that it won't be them.
    1. Re:Congress ... maybe. Banks ... they don't care. by penix1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sure, on the credit card side you are right. On the online banking side you are wrong. The attention identity theft has received and will continue to receive when it gets worse will only cause people to not do anything involving money online. The more it happens, the less likely people will be to trust ANY site....

      B.

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  11. Not the Sharpest Tool... by monoqlith · · Score: 4, Interesting
    [...] sitting in the empty meeting hall at the Mohawk Correctional Facility in Rome, N.Y., where he is serving a two- to four-year term."
    Two to four years? Gosh, if he goes in front of the parole board after the two are up, what is he going to say to convince them he's reformed? Maybe this will work:
    "I get scared that when I get out, I might have a problem and relapse because it would be so easy to take $300 and turn it into several thousand."
    I hope those folks at Mohawk in N.Y. missed today's issue of the most *widely read newspaper in the world.* Seriously, he must have some sort of brain disorder.

  12. Unravelling or being unwoven? by draxbear · · Score: 4, Interesting

    On the whole, we seem to be slowly moving from a "govern thyself" to a "If no-ones watching, why not?" frame of mind.

    I wonder if this is almost being encouraged by the powers that be as it fosters a feeling that it's ok for them to be watching because I no longer expect the others around me to be governing their own behavior...

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    1. Re:Unravelling or being unwoven? by Nutria · · Score: 5, Insightful
      On the whole, we seem to be slowly moving from a "govern thyself" to a "If no-ones watching, why not?" frame of mind.

      I wonder if this is almost being encouraged by the powers that be as it fosters a feeling that it's ok for them to be watching because I no longer expect the others around me to be governing their own behavior...


      IMO, this devolution stems from a set of interrelated and feedback-reinforcing factors, some of which are
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    2. Re:Unravelling or being unwoven? by G-funk · · Score: 5, Insightful
      On the whole, we seem to be slowly moving from a "govern thyself" to a "If no-ones watching, why not?" frame of mind.


      I think the main reason for that is the vast array of laws that are simply to serve corporations, not the people. Nobody's going to argue that it shouldn't be illegal to kill somebody, or break into his house, rape his wife and walk out with his TV. But with laws like the DMCA and various other corporate welfare schemes, people going to jail for weed, how can any man have respect for what's law, rather than simply live by their own ideas of what's right, and simply try to avoid being caught when those two systems aren't in harmony?
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    3. Re:Unravelling or being unwoven? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      True. Any first-year law student can tell you that laws are created to keep the engines of commerce running, if not smoothly, then at least profitably. Justice doesn't enter into it, except in politicians' speaches.

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    4. Re:Unravelling or being unwoven? by boingo82 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Or could it be because the "powers-that-be" themselves operate on the same policy?

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  13. Re:Nothing a bullet to the forehead wouldn't fix by Wilf_Brim · · Score: 3, Interesting

    True, but check TFA. The email scam referred to was only one of his early efforts. His later (and more lucrative) scams involved buying numbers and doing direct financial transfers from those accounts. One of my accounts had something similar happen to it. It was only due to the fact that the individual responsible had used two smaller charges the previous day, and it happend to be the day that I was paying bills and saw the two fradulent charges during an online reconciliation that I discovered it and was able to cancel the transfer. I'm starting to think that the entire credit card system is broken. It is just far too easy to obtain stolen numbers, and far to easy to negotiate into goods or (as above) cash. That cards can still be used for wire transfers absolutely boggles my mind. Unfortunately, I don't know of any better system. Right now I use "disposable" numbers as often as I can when doing ecommerce. They minimize (but do not elminate) the risk, but they can't be used for recurring charges, and relatively few card issuers. I'm thinking that the penalities here are too light. This guy was involved in grand larceny, easily more than $200k. Why only a couple of years? Small time drug dealers (an offense with far less of a victim) get many times that penality. When the takings are so lucrative, the chances of being caught low, and the penalities light, its no wonder this is such a fast growing crime. Why perform an armed bank robccbery (average take, about $4,000 per the FBI) and get 20 years if you get caught when credit card fraud ($10k per theft) only will get you 2? And did you notice that some of his biggest takes were when he was under indictment and out on bail? WTF?

  14. I'm not sure I get it... by crossmr · · Score: 2, Funny

    could you put another metaphor or two in the summary so that its really spelled out...

  15. The solution is simple. by khasim · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Even for wire-transfers with a credit card. Simply have the bank call the phone numbers they have on record for you and have you press a button sequence to authorize the purchase or wire-transfer.

    The banks already have the systems to do automated calling.

    The banks already have your phone numbers. And your mailing address.

    Now the thief has to steal your credit card numbers ... and re-route the phone system.

    Or steal the numbers and fake your ID and go to a bank branch and change the phone numbers.

    All of that is possible for a thief to do ... but the more steps that it takes, the more likely it is that the thief will fail to complete it. And the easier it will be to track him. Although it can't get much easier than tracking this punk. He gave them his address to deliver his stolen purchases to.

    But doing that would move the risk and costs to the banks. They prefer it the way it currently is because the banks aren't losing money on these fraud cases.

  16. Addiction is a description, not an excuse by fm6 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There probably are bank robbers who are addicted to what they do. The concept of "addiction" is just a model for understanding destructive behavior. It's not an attempt to excuse it. In fact, the opposite is true: people who are fighting addiction, and the people who help them (often addicts themselves) will tell you that the worst thing you can do for an addict is overlook his or her misdeeds.

  17. This guy is an idiot by humankind · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Stories like this really irk me, and show how the industry wants to make the notion of identity theft much scarier than it really is. This is an example of an "identity thief?" This moron used stolen credit cards and shipped the crap to his parents' house where he lived. He's an idiot. Other people with common sense wouldn't do stupid shit like what he was doing. There's no skill involved in what he did. Any waiter or someone who handles credit cards on a daily basis could do the same thing, but they don't because they're not idiots like this guy.

    In the end, anybody he ripped off probably didn't have to pay, so it was the merchants that got screwed if anybody, and this is becoming harder and harder to pull off.

    If there's one thing this article does point out, it's that if the feds really want to stop identity theft damages, they'd shut down Western Union. That money transfer service pretty much solely exists now to play a party to scams of this nature.

  18. What to do if.... by BobSutan · · Score: 5, Informative

    As I posted in another related story, if you ever suspect (or know) you've been the victim of Identity Theft, here's what to do:

    Contact the credit agency of your choice to put a fraud watch on your file. The agency you contact will notify the other two for you.

    Equifax: 1-800-525-6285; www.equifax.com; P.O. Box 740241, Atlanta, GA 30374-0241

    Experian: 1-888-EXPERIAN (397-3742); www.experian.com; P.O. Box 9532, Allen, TX 75013

    TransUnion: 1-800-680-7289; www.transunion.com; Fraud Victim Assistance Division, P.O. Box 6790, Fullerton, CA 92834-6790

    Its also a good idea to call 1-888-5OPTOUT to prevent banks, insurance companies, and those pesky fakers (remember the ChoicePoint fiasco) from getting ahold of your credit report. All 3 agencies use that same number for the opt out process. That should significantly cut down on those pre-approved credit card offers you get in the mail that can be stolen and used in your name as well.

    And for the Active Duty members in the crowd that happen to be TDY, you should consider getting an Active Duty military alert placed in your name in addition to a fraud alert. You can never be too safe when it comes to preventing ID theft. However, no matter what you do there's still no guarantee you won't fall victim to the random oddity that can occur (such as a bartender swiping your card # and going nuts on Amazon).

    For more info on how to minimize the risks of ID theft, or how to recover from it, check out the FTC's website at www.ftc.gov/idtheft

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    1. Re:What to do if.... by locotx · · Score: 5, Informative

      This is great and all, but I found that most of the time the credit agencies don't help too much. I've been a victim. Big whoop, you have a "Credit Fraud Victim" tag on your credit reports. That still doesn't matter, a company can still grant that credit request. You can have "Do not open any more credit accounts for this person" on your credit report and guess what, that will not stop companies from granting it. Credit reporting companies are there to report the bad things and protect the companies that are granting credit and even then they are merely reporting a potential risk. They do not help the consumer. REPEAT. They do not help the consumer. I've had a "Credit Fraud Victim" label attached to all my credit reports (all 3 companies) and I have a case number with the FTC. And STILL, I get credit accounts opened up. Nothing says frustration than doing everything that has been asked only to find out a $13,000.00 loan has been granted without you knowing and now it's in collection. Then when you contact the company that granted the loan, they treat you as if you are a theft and have to prove you didn't request the loan. Where as my thought process is "Wait a second you sorry sack, you granted a loan and you didn't check and see if it was me and now you are saying that I am trying to trick you out of paying this, you must be nuts." It's a very frustrating battle. This is something that happens a lot . .it's the "elephant in the room no one is talking about". . . but until it happens to you . .you will not know the frustration of having your identity stolen (or used fradulently).

  19. Wrong - NOT THEFT! by SonicSpike · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Merriam Websters defines theft as: "the act of stealing; specifically : the felonious taking and removing of personal property with intent to deprive the rightful owner of it"

    When you use someone else's identity in a fraudulent manner, the original person STILL HAS THEIR IDENTITY!!! It is NOT THEFT, because you have not taken anything from them, they are deprived of nothing (except maybe some abstract type of sovereign individualism). But you are using their identity, and so are they!

    I think the fundamental issue here is that information, once in the open, logically belongs to no one nor can it really be 'possessed'.

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  20. TFA by smvp6459 · · Score: 3, Informative

    TFA in case anyone else is having trouble with access:

    July 4, 2006
    Stolen Lives
    Identity Thief Finds Easy Money Hard to Resist
    By TOM ZELLER Jr.

    By the time of Shiva Brent Sharma's third arrest for identity theft, at the age of 20, he had taken in well over $150,000 in cash and merchandise in his brief career. After a certain point, investigators stopped counting.

    The biggest money was coming in at the end, postal inspectors said, after Mr. Sharma had figured out how to buy access to stolen credit card accounts online, change the cardholder information and reliably wire money to himself -- sometimes using false identities for which he had created pristine driver's licenses.

    But Mr. Sharma, now 22, says he never really kept track of his earnings.

    "I don't know how much I made altogether, but the most I ever made in a quick period was like $20,000 in a day and a half or something," he said, sitting in the empty meeting hall at the Mohawk Correctional Facility in Rome, N.Y., where he is serving a two- to four-year term. "Working like three hours today, three hours tomorrow -- $20,000."

    And once he knew what he was doing, it was all too easy.

    "It's an addiction, no doubt about that," said Mr. Sharma, who inflected his words with the sort of street cadence adopted by smart kids trying to be cool. "I get scared that when I get out, I might have a problem and relapse because it would be so easy to take $300 and turn it into several thousand."

    That ease accounts for the sizable ranks of identity-fraud victims, whose acquaintance with the crime often begins with unexplained credit card charges, a drained bank account or worse. The victims' tales have become alarmingly familiar, but usually lack a protagonist -- the perpetrator. Mr. Sharma's account of his own exploits provides the missing piece: an insight into both the tools and the motivation of a persistent thief.

    Identity theft can, of course, have its origins in a pilfered wallet or an emptied mailbox. But for computer-savvy thieves like Mr. Sharma, the Internet has forged new conduits for the crime, both as a means of stealing identity and account information and as the place to use it.

    The Secret Service and the Federal Bureau of Investigation have invested millions of dollars in monitoring Internet sites where thousands of users from around the world congregate to swap tips about identity theft and to buy and sell personal data. Mr. Sharma frequented such sites from their earliest days, and the techniques he learned there have become textbook-variety scams.

    "Shiva Sharma was probably one of the first, and he was certainly one of the first to get caught," said Diane M. Peress, a former Queens County prosecutor who handled all three of Mr. Sharma's cases and who is now the chief of economic crimes with the Nassau County district attorney's office. "But the kinds of methods that he used are being used all the time."

    As far back as 2002, Mr. Sharma began picking the locks on consumer credit lines using a computer, the Internet and a deep understanding of online commerce, Internet security and simple human nature, obtained through years of trading insights with like-minded thieves in online forums. And he deployed the now-common rods and reels of data theft -- e-mail solicitations and phony Web sites -- that fleece the unwitting.

    Much of this unfolded from the basement of a middle-class family home in Richmond Hill, Queens, at the hands of a high school student with a knack for problem solving and an inability, even after multiple arrests, to resist the challenge of making a scheme pay off.

    That is what worries Mr. Sharma's wife, Damaris, 21, who has no time for the Internet as she raises the couple's 1-year-old daughter, Bellamarie.

    "I hate computers," she said. "I think they're the devil."

    A Thief's Tool Kit

    Mr. Sharma is soft-spoken, but he does not shrink from the spotlight. He gained fleeting attention after his first arrest, as the first person

  21. Re:So what again... by ozmanjusri · · Score: 5, Informative
    So what again are the names of those Atheist charities?

    United Way, The Smith Family, Medecin Sans Frontieres, Oxfam, Starlight foundation, etc etc. If you weren't just trolling, have a look here http://www.secularhumanism.org/ for an insight into compassion in secular society.

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  22. Re:Another Portrait by oaklybonn · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I am just so un-hip - whos this supposed to be?

  23. ID theft. by frn123 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm from EU. I don't understand how this identity theft works.
    Can somebody explain what's this all about?

    I could post my email address, real name, phone #,bank account # and national id # here,
    why should i be worried if i do?

  24. Re:ADDICT? by a55mnky · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I concur 100%. This guy is a thief, plain and simple. For him to refer to the temptation to turn 300 dollars into thousands as a relapse is a horrible insult to the folks that have ascended above true addiction.

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  25. Re:So what again... by Iamthefallen · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Many secular (and protestant) charities support Catholic charities.

    It doesn't mean there's a hidden agenda. It merely reflects the fact that catholic charities and churches can be found in many places where it would be too expensive, dangerous, or impractical to set up another office.

    If the purpose is the same, and someone else already has the infrastructure in place, it doesn't make much sense to spend money building a duplicate of that infrastructure.

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  26. Re:come again? by 955301 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That's just it. Atheists don't make a connection between gods and charity, so yes, these are atheist charities in the sense that they are the ones atheists give to. Although I despise United Way as nothing more than another church by the way companies and football players push it - their overhead is ridiculous. Oxfam gets my money.

    The mistake you're making is that you think you have to advertise your charitible giving. That's almost entirely a religious evangelistic behavior, stuffing propoganda in the thanksgiving dinner boxes when giving them out.

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  27. he's one of the first? by NynexNinja · · Score: 2, Insightful
    There was an interesting quote:
    "Shiva Sharma was probably one of the first, and he was certainly one of the first to get caught," said Diane M. Peress, a former Queens County prosecutor who handled all three of Mr. Sharma's cases and who is now the chief of economic crimes with the Nassau County district attorney's office.
    This guy is from New York. What about New York's Masters Of Deception (MOD) group in the 1980's? I would say they were probably one of the first. Its pretty naive to make such statements that in 2006, this guy is "one of the first". He is 22 years old. I know guys that are in their late 30's early 40's that were doing computer based identity theft back in their teens and early 20's.
  28. Re:So what again... by boingo82 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What's your point? I'm atheist and work side-by-side with Christians and other religions too. Somehow, I'm still atheist.

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  29. Re:So what again... by Aladrin · · Score: 2, Informative

    I'm gonna be modded Troll for this, but here we go anyhow.

    United way is not a charity.

    Oh sure, they may be listed as one and have all the benefits, but they do not help people.

    Their function is to collect money and give it to real charities. They never, ever directly help people.

    On top of that, they don't give all that money to the charities. They use 8% of it for their paychecks and literature. (This number could be wrong. They apparently don't advertise it anymore as anyone with a brain can figure out that anything above 0% is BAD. They used to advertise that most charities use 15% of the income for administrative expenses, but UW only used 8%. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that's about 23% total, if you give to UW instead of directly to the charity.)

    I'm not denying that UW has probably done some good somewhere. It just isn't nearly the sparkling ivory tower they want you to beleive. Add in the insane pressure they put on businesses and employees to donate, even if they don't have money... It's just wrong.

    A prior co-worker of mine pledged quite a bit more money per month than she could afford because she felt she had to. She was almost in tears trying to figure out what she was going to do. It took me almost 30 minutes to convince her that she not only didn't have to give, but that she could go to the store manager and recind her pledge and nothing bad would happen to her. This was the worst I'd seen, but it wasn't the only instance of people giving money when they shouldn't be.

    That same company I worked for required the store manager to give a certain portion of his paycheck to UW. They were rich, greedy bastards and I didn't mind that, but the mindset is totally wrong. UW should never have such a stranglehold on a company that such a thing can be possible.

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  30. Re:come again? by DahGhostfacedFiddlah · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Atheism isn't a belief in no god, it's a disbelief in god. We don't evangelize any more than a Christian goes about telling everyone that there is no Zeus, no Klingons, no Boogieman. You don't have to evangelize your disbeliefs.

    So any charity that does not espouse a belief in god is an atheist (lit. "no god") charity. They don't need to label themselves as such - they are simply atheist by definition until they pick a God and stick with it.