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The $899 Educational iMac

Valthan writes "Macsimum news has just released news about a new version of the iMac that is being touted as an educational machine. It seems to be a nice setup, and has the cheapness that us university students strive on, I think they just may have a winner here to get people on the Mac. Now if only JCreator worked on it ..." From the article "Featuring a 17-inch widescreen LCD display, the iMac for education includes a Combo drive for burning CDs and reading DVDs, 512MB of 667MHz DDR2 SDRAM memory expandable up to 2GB and hard drive storage capacity up to 160GB. Every iMac also includes a built-in iSight video camera, built-in 10/100/1000 BASE-T Gigabit Ethernet for high-speed networking, built-in AirPort Extreme 802.11g WiFi for up to 54Mbps wireless networking, a total of five USB ports (three USB 2.0) and two FireWire 400 ports."

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  1. Thriving on Strife by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'm very happy to hear that college kids strive on cheapness.

  2. No cheap 20" model by hlimethe3rd · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It'd be nice if Apple would release a cheap version with a bigger screen. I know it isn't really Apple's way, but it'd be nice to have the option. There are a lot of us out there that wouldn't mind having a slightly slower processor, a smaller HD, and no bluetooth, but would still appreciate the larger monitor for movies, etc.

    1. Re:No cheap 20" model by Firehed · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Considering that this is basically the $799 Mac Mini model built into a 17" widescreen LCD, I'm going to disagree with you on that one. It would have been nice, yes, but at least relatively speaking it's a great deal. You get a faster processor, same amount of memory and hard drive (both 2x256 by the looks of it). You only get a CDRW/DVD instead of a DVD burner, and lose the Bluetooth and remote (I'm assuming it still has a sensor, but I could be wrong), but gain the widescreen display and iSight camera. Not a bad trade imho, especially considering what's gained by spending the extra $300 for the standard 17" iMac w/ student discount: DVDRW, bluetooth, remote, x1600, 160GB HD - and aside from the hard drive space, I'd question the utility of the other stuff for most students. Heck, I've only used half the 60GB drive on my MBP, though I've also got a fileserver for the media. Apparently all of the iMacs include the Apple Keyboard and not-so-Mighty Mouse, which furthers the distance from a Mini.

      Heck, I'd get one, and I've already got a monster display available for a Mini. In fact, I'd almost have to get a mini for that reason (no room for another display).

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    2. Re:No cheap 20" model by AugstWest · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I totally agree. Apple is extremely dense about including decent video chipsets in their machines. It's sad, really, because a lot more people would buy the low-end Macs if they could actually play the games that do get ported over to OSX.

      And yes, there are a lot of good games for the Mac, all of your first-tier FPS games get ported, WoW, etc.... but you can't play them (not even Second Life) on the low-end Macs they sell.

      Cheap bastards are shooting themselves in the feet.

  3. 899 is cheap? by JeanBaptiste · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Cheap for a uni student? I certainly didn't have that sort of money laying about when I was at university.

    /got my computer for 50 bucks
    //i didn't ask where it came from...

    1. Re:899 is cheap? by linvir · · Score: 3, Funny

      Dell is cheap? More like eBay is cheap.

    2. Re:899 is cheap? by vought · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Cheap for a uni student? I certainly didn't have that sort of money laying about when I was at university.


      At my school, we weren't a rich campus by any means, but an 8MHz Mac Classic and a raster laser printer for $1200.00 was a fucking STEAL when I started college in 1991. Even the Dells with Windows 3.1 were $1000.00 - and you didn't get a printer.

      Times change...but the dollar barrier for entry into the "computer in my dorm room" club has remained nearly constant for fifteen years. If you want a computer that will last you through college, mow a lot of lawns between your high school graduation and your freshman orientation. For $1200.00, you can get any number of very nice Macs or PCs. For $1000.00, your choices get fewer, but there are still many nice machines. This new Mac is a lot of machine for $900.00.

  4. 5 USB ports? by chasingporsches · · Score: 3, Informative

    that's a bit misleading. it's at most 4, considering that two of them are on the keyboard that must be plugged in via USB, and really 3, if you consider that you need the mighty mouse plugged in to use the machine (since it doesnt have bluetooth), and so that takes up another (probably one on your keyboard). so you're left with one 1.1 port on your keyboard, and two 2.0 ports on your imac unless you get a hub.

    granted, i have an imac g5 that has the same USB setup, but i just don't like misleading advertising. (although its not really advertising, but i digress.)

  5. Cheap, but not cheap enough. by zerofoo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    We recently bought a bunch of Dells - P4 2.8Ghz, 512 MB ram, 80 GB hard drives, DVD-CD burner, with a 19" LCD monitor for $450.00. I could buy two of those for the price of the iMac. Yeah, I know....windows....Mac OS X, windows blah blah blah.

    OK, so the Dell has a separate tower VS the all in one design of the iMac....but the Dell costs HALF what the Mac costs.

    -ted

    1. Re:Cheap, but not cheap enough. by Cadallin · · Score: 5, Funny

      And the Pre-installed Spyware and Adware was FREE too!

    2. Re:Cheap, but not cheap enough. by geekoid · · Score: 5, Informative

      is it silent? built in web cam? video editor? A nice UI?
      And the dual core out performs the AMD 2.2.

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    3. Re:Cheap, but not cheap enough. by JourneyExpertApe · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yeah, because it really costs $450 to reformat the hard drive and install the OS of your choice. Or you could take the less extreme approach and uninstall all the "trial versions" and such that come with it. Nah, I'd rather pay an extra $450 to have the pretty Mac logo on the case so everyone knows I'm hip. Especially if I'm on a tight budget.

      </sarcasm>

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    4. Re:Cheap, but not cheap enough. by be-fan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Are those P4's dual-core? Because if they're not, we're talking about two completely different classes of machine. Dual-Core Dells run $700+ on Dell's website. Also, the integrated form-factor is definitely a plus. As a recently-graduated undergrad, let me tell you that desk and floor space are at an absolute premium in any modern dorm.

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  6. Re:Unfortunately by HeX314 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Granted that this is primarily intended for students, it's probably a good thing that they have an Intel chip inside. Using Boot Camp or Parallels or another VM, a student could run two operating systems concurrently (for most any CS major, it is essential to be able to develop for Windows -- other operating systems are a huge plus).

  7. I'd get one... by $hecky · · Score: 5, Funny

    But I've switched to Ubuntu.

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    1. Re:I'd get one... by Blob+Pet · · Score: 4, Funny

      Don't hate on other Unix systems, it's bad karma, man.

      Unless it's SCO UNIX.

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    2. Re:I'd get one... by jerkychew · · Score: 3, Funny

      Dammit, now they're up to three! We've got a veritable pandemic on our hands!

  8. Yes, but... by tlacuache · · Score: 4, Funny

    does it run a Lin... I mean, imagine a Beowulf clust... ah, crap, I choked.

  9. From the Apple Store for Education by Pinky3 · · Score: 4, Informative

    17-inch widescreen LCD
    1440x900 resolution
    1.83GHz Intel Core Duo processor (1)
    512MB memory (2x256MB SO-DIMMs)
    80GB Serial ATA hard drive
    24x Combo drive (DVD-ROM, CD-RW)
    Intel GMA 950 graphics with 64MB of shared memory
    ($899)

    The regular entry level iMac comes with
    17-inch widescreen LCD
    1440x900 resolution
    1.83GHz Intel Core Duo processor (1)
    512MB memory (single SO-DIMM)
    160GB Serial ATA hard drive
    8x double-layer SuperDrive (DVD±RW, CD-RW)
    ATI Radeon X1600 graphics with 128MB GDDR3 memory
    Bluetooth 2.0
    Apple Remote
    ($1199)

    You save $300, but give up Apple Remote, bluetooth, ATI Radeon, 80GB of drive space, and the SuperDrive.

  10. A bit spoiled? by aliens · · Score: 4, Insightful

    the cheapness that us university students strive on

    $900 for a computer, for students, er yeah I guess some of them have that kind of cash. But I don't think they fit the stretched to the max, loans up the wazoo students that you'll encounter in today's universities. Those students still get by on the computer resources made available by the school.

    In fact for $400 you could get a laptop from a couple of PC makers.

    Saying that any price point is cheap and affordable only makes you look like an ass and makes other people feel bad. /Get off my lawn

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    1. Re:A bit spoiled? by be-fan · · Score: 3, Informative

      In most schools, owning your own computer is required. A lot of schools these days give a "computer ownership" tuition credit on your first semester. I went to Georgia Tech for undergrad, and IIRC, we got $1500 for a new computer.

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  11. Re:Just in time for Leopard by Wildfire+Darkstar · · Score: 3, Informative
    College students want a cheap but stylish machine, yet they don't want to lose their "gaming" functionality. It could be a perfect marriage.

    Except that, as even a modest gaming rig, it's entirely uninspiring, largely thanks to the graphics chip. As the GMA 950 lacks support for things like T&L and vertex shaders, it's not going to cut it for most modern games. And since it draws from main system memory, the fact that the system is shipping with only 512MB (even granted the fact that it's expanadable to 2GB) is going to be a problem, as well. It seems extremely unlikely to me that this is going to set anyone's world on fire. It certainly won't bomb, but I don't really think it's going to expand much beyond the original eMac niche.
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  12. Cash by Mr.+Underbridge · · Score: 3, Funny
    Cheap for a uni student? I certainly didn't have that sort of money laying about when I was at university.

    There are a few options: 1) Beg parents 2) Get job, or...

    3) That's why God gave you blood plasma and spoo. Sell it.

    4) Failing that, find some lubriderm, a rubber glove, and a busy intersection.

    1. Re:Cash by samkass · · Score: 5, Informative

      Try checking out http://www.apple.com/financing/.

      You can get what is essentially a Mastercard with no annual fee and an APR somewhere between 13.5% and 22.5% depending on your credit rating, with no interest for 90 days after purchase. If you've got good credit, this pretty much amounts to the same thing you got. If not, good luck finding financing anyway.

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    2. Re:Cash by Zhe+Mappel · · Score: 3, Informative
      Try checking out http://www.apple.com/financing/.

      While you're at it, run the numbers through an online credit card calculator.

      Assuming the 22.49% APR and a 3-year payoff, the total interest on a financed $899 iMac is $338, or 37% above the store price.

      Now your $899 iMac costs you $1,237.

      Ain't credit grand?

  13. Re:Ya but by bcat24 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Wouldn't an SCO box be $666?

  14. Re:Unfortunately by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 5, Insightful
    (for most any CS major, it is essential to be able to develop for Windows -- other operating systems are a huge plus).

    I graduated with an engineering degree in 2002, but took a few CS courses. All of the work was done on the CS lab UNIX boxes (Suns at the time, upgraded to commodity BSD machines right about the time I finished). Remember that CS is about teaching *concepts* rather than putting out functional code-monkeys - that's what "IT" programs are for.

    -b.

  15. Guinness or OS X? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    $899 = 1.83MHz Core Duo iMac with 17" screen and not enough RAM.

    $899 = 12-pack bottled Guinness Draught x at least 50.

    So, an iMac or 600 bottles of Guinness. College student unimpressed.

    And don't anybody say "B-B-B-BUT THE GUINNESS DOESN'T COME WITH ILIFE" or I will rip your fucking head off and shove it up your ass.

  16. Re:Unfortunately by Guy+Harris · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I can't verify that the software is actually better anymore. Could be the Intels make them crash as often as a regular PC

    If that were true, then Linux, FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, and DragonFlyBSD would have to, when running on a regular PC, crash as much as Windows, too. If they don't, then perhaps PowerPC isn't as magical as you appear to think it is.

  17. Re:The Intel GMA950 makes it a non-starter... by bsartist · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I think most college kids would be disappointed the minute they tried to play any game and had the machine slow to a crawl
    Probably, but for parents who want their kids to focus on school work instead of games, that might well be a selling point.
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  18. Re:Yes $899 is cheap. by pyite · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I spend so much time in MATLAB that if my use of it had to be comfined to the lab, I would go out of mind. It's not just one part of the year. It's constant. Nearly day in and day out.

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  19. Cut the propaganda! by ccollao · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm gonna burn some karma here to complain..

    Come on.. this is puRe advertisement about Mac, could you stop it!
    No news here, just advertisement, and I don't want advertisement covered as a story (yeah, yeah, somebody is going to say, then don't read /.), but this special discounts are really pi**n' me off...

    If these are news, I would like to read the news about the special discount from Dell for grannies. I'm sure it rocks!

    Please, don't get me wrong, I own several PowerBooks/iBooks (in fact I'm writing this posts in one!), so I don't have anything against macs, I'm against lame stories on the FrontPage of ./

  20. still relatively expensive ... by ssand · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Perhapse it's just the market in my city, but you can get a nice computer for 399 - 499 CDN. These type of deals are usually factory refurbished from the manufacturer, but are today's technology. if you watch the papers for a deal, you can easily get something good (with xp, dvd burner, and what not) for under 500 CDN.