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Australia Wants to Regulate Internet Streaming
Paul writes "After an incident that occurred on a popular television show's internet stream, the Australian government has once again demonstrated that it simply does not understand the internet by indicating that they intend to regulate streaming video. I wonder what these geniuses plan on doing with porn streamed from Europe?"
Why Ted Stevens' internet took five days to get to him! All that streaming filling those tubes...
...the write up here is awfully vague. The incident it refers to happened on Big Brother Australia - one of the guys in the house held a girl down while the other rubbed his penis on her face. Both are now facing charges.
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As an Australian, I can only shake my head and say "we're not all like this". Originally our Prime Minister wanted the broadcaster to take the whole show off the air. I guess this latest response is after someone pointed out that you could originally only see the offending footage live over the net at 4 in the morning (really, someone needs to get a life if this is what they are doing at 4 am).
What a terrible article to link on the issue. It has next to nothing to say about any kind of regulation of online content other than that content broadcast live online is not covered by current laws. It seems quite sensible to bring this in line with other laws governing online content - it's what those other laws are which is the sticking point. The relevent federal minister's statement on the events can be found here - a link I found in a good blog post (on the news site linked in the summary) here. I would say that this is a classic case of governmental over-reaction and bumbling misunderstanding, but you can't really tell that from the article linked in the summary. In fact, I would say that the real fallout from it hasn't been seen yet - we'll see what legislation brings.
We'll regulate that too, damnit!
(in jest, however - sadly, it appears that's probably what they'll propose if previous internet related legislation is anything to go by).
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Whacking it like they're 12 again?
Trust me, there's a lot more porn coming from the US.
Not that i'll know it
Knock yourself out! Here is a video of the incident.
Does it go on forever?
Maybe watch it after the wife goes to bed!
"Australian government has once again demonstrated that it simply does not understand the internet by indicating that they intend to regulate streaming video. I wonder what these geniuses plan on doing with porn streamed from Europe?"
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This is a poor summary of the situation. It's clear from the article that the government's intention is the review regualtion, not necessarily (as the poster snidely suggests) to impose regulation on porn streamed from Europe. The outcome of such a review could reasonably be that material streamed from within Australia should meet certain guidelines. While this doesn't prevent trash coming from overseas sources, it does ensure that broadcasts where responsiibility lies within Australia meets certain standards. This is typically what governments seek to do, and would lead towards consistency with other broadcasting formats for shows which have a large, youthful viewership such as Big Brother.
About eight years ago the government did show naivity on internet regulation by passing measures that were unworkable and which were panned within the IT community and within sections of the Liberal party itself. However, the current minister has cleaned things up a lot. Her approach to internet regulation has been to encourage education of parents and availability of client-side filtering - which is exactly the approach that I'd expect most of the slashdot readership would endorse.
Notice that of all the players with something to say in this article the government is the most restrained - calling for a review but not going overboard with censorship demands. In fact, it has been the federal opposition in recent times which has called for ridiculous measures while the government has been realistic in its approach, even by the reasonable (but in earlier times typically conflicting) standards of Electronic Frontiers Australia. See http://www.efa.org.au/Issues/Censor/mandatorybloc
Slashdot editors - panning Australians for our bad internet regulation system may once have been fitting. However, it would be nice if you could review things a bit more carefully based on the evidence rather than knee-jerks to posts making grand claims about Australian policy. It's annoying to see my country being portrayed as stoneage based on bad evidence. This snide post is not a story and it shouldn't have been put through.
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Crazy bitch didn't get her way, so now she's sucking her thumb and stamping her feet.
Huh? She had a penis shoved in her face, complained about it, only wanted an apology, didn't press charges, and then other people want streaming video to be regulated. How does this make her a "crazy bitch" who "didn't get her way" and is "sucking her thumb and stamping her feet"? I'd say she's dealt with those idiots in a appropriate way. Pity you seem to have stooped to their level.
If you don't have a broadcast license you should be able to do whatever you want with your webcam. Television has a lot of power. Setting up a webcam in my kitchen isn't going to draw hundreds of thousands of viewers, but when a TV station comes along and does it, with all the promotion and hoo-ha that goes with it, then people will watch it. Their web broadcast should be covered by the same standards as their TV broadcasts.
There was no complaint made by the female housemate in question. Whether or not it was acceptable or not we do not know (that's between the housemates themselves).
However, the "crazy bitch" in question is not the housemate who was "assaulted" (she claims it was all in fun - big brother stepped in without her complaining) - i believe the GP post is referring to our Communications minister, Helen Coonan... she "didn't get her way" in "getting the show off the air"...
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Come on be fair :-)
we have first past the post electoral system here, that's been gerrymandered pretty well.
So really only 5mil of those people elected the wrong leader.
The rest are too young, shuffled into strangely shaped electorates, or just voted down the page.
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The same thing any good regulator would do, keep the good stuff & send the rest through.
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The government is just trying to stop the TV stations from exploiting loopholes in the legislation. Capital 10 (one of the Big Five stations in Australia) broadcast some sexually explicit material live through their website. Apparently that's legal because it wasn't broadcast over the television band. The government reckons that's a copout and I agree.
Now bear in mind that Australia has some very relaxed rules for sexual content on TV. The stations are allowed to broadcast sexual intercourse, full frontal nudity, and even fetishes. One of the stations SBS is sometimes called "Sex Before Soccer" because they'd frequently schedule something blue from Europe before the live soccer broadcasts. The stations just have to show that content at certain times and put an appropriate disclaimer at the start of the show. There is censorship but it's very mild (eg, no penetration unless it's educational).
In this case, Capital 10 stepped over the line and was enabling children to view filthy content via the Internet. The dominant audience for Big Brother is the 12-14 year old teen market. Do you think it's appropriate for young teens to see a bunch of dimwitted Big Brother contestants teabagging a female contestant who was being held down against her will? I don't.
I think the government is doing the right thing here. Personally I wish they'd say "we're backdating this new legislation and slapping you with a big fine for being jerks". I'd support any bending of the law necessary to force Big Brother off the airwaves.
Well, there's a big difference between internet and TV.
At least in the US, the reasoning goes that the government is entitled to regulate the content of TV broadcasts because the airwaves belong to the public. The amount of spectrum available for broadcasting is limited, and since the people are allowing private entities to use that limited resource, they (through their representatives) have the right to decide how it may be used. Cable TV doesn't use public resources, so it can't be censored except under the same laws that could be used to censor books or magazines (obscenity, copyright, national security, etc.).
The internet works differently. As we all know, it's a series of TUBES, and those tubes belong to private entities. Furthermore, unlike broadcasts, which are pushed invisibly from a transmitter through the air in your home (and which are passing through your body right this second!), internet streams are delivered only to those who request them. Whether or not you have to pay for the stream is irrelevant; either way, it isn't forcing itself upon anyone. It's like comparing a mass mailing to a box of pamphlets which you can take if you're interested: it'd be silly to complain about the content of the pamphlet when you made the decision to seek it out.
Finally, the kneejerk "protect the children" principle never has any weight, because there's no evidence whatsoever that children need to be "protected" from content like this. It's an argument based on gut feelings rather than fact.
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What is the issue? The girl knew what she was getting into when she climbed into the bed. She did not seem particularly surprised or offended by the events. I do not know what type of parties the majority of slashdotters attend but this seems like harmless banter. Now, if she objected or expressed discomfort with what was happening, the situation might be different, but these are consenting adults.
As to government restrictions on internet broadcasts, let them try. There will always be a way for the truly dedicated to find the information they are looking for.
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Where's the link for the porn streamed from Europe?
That's what I was thinking. Hire some people to carefully watch every European porn flick, so they can properly rate it. As an European, and thus familiar with said movies and the culture that created them, I'd like to offer my services and expertise to the Australian government for a small consulting fee. All in the interest of the public good and protecting the children from smut, you understand
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If we don't have a First past the post system then what do you call it?
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Preferential voting in the lower house. First past the post is where the person with the most number of votes (even if less than 50%) wins. And it's different again in the upper house.
... the US plans to do - something that doesn't reflect reality.
People try and fit things they do not understand into things they do. We all do it, many times with things called "analogies". I know some of the better description I had of networking revolved around analogies to roads - I had enough knowledge to know where those analogies failed. In this case regulation has always worked - why not now? After all it's just broadcasting and lines within thier control.
Unless you can frame it how they understand it (and in a way they care about, for example if cost is irrelevant then saying it's cheaper will persuade none) you are wasting breath/bandwidth/time.
This will continue to happen for some time. As the population that is comfortable with current technology comes into power it will recede. But then, there were be something new out there that gets the same treatment. It always has and it always will.
It's a fact of life. If you want to affect change you have to accept it and work within those strictures (that doesn't mean not try and change it, just accept it happens and work from there).
Accept what you can not change, strive to change what you can.
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To my way of thinking I would much prefer it if they just banned Big Brother. Now thats legislation would like to see down under ;)
From the transcript, she was quite aware that it was very likely she was going to be "turkey slapped" and made no fuss for them to stop - she shut her eyes and went along with it (laughing at the time).
Certainly a far cry from what certain people are portraying - that she was physically restrained and assaulted against her will.
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I wonder what these geniuses plan on doing with porn streamed from Europe?
Capture, catalog, and burn "best of" CDs, of course.
If we don't have a First past the post system then what do you call it?
The Commonwealth House of Representatives (Lower House) uses Preferential Voting, with full transfer of preferences.
The Commonwealth Senate (Upper House) uses Proportional Representation (Single Transferable Vote), with group ticket voting ("above-the-line" voting.)
See page 24 of this document for the systems used for state elections.
They are only going to regulate locally produced content. But we would know this already if the editor had bothered to spend his time doing some research rather than falsely accusing the Australian government of not understanding the Internet. No one accuses TV regulators of not understanding the medium, even though anyone with a transmitter can broadcast whatever they want. Everyone's just so used to TV being regulated that it doesn't occur to them that the radio spectrum is physically just as unregulatable as the Internet. Just like the internet, there's no way for the government to physically block people from using the medium.
Since when has intelligence become a substitute for decisive action?
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No the real problem is this is a stupid disgusting show that the Ausie's thought that "their" people were above and reality just bitch slapped them in the face, like a floppy penis. The truth is the less they do, the less of a fuss everyone makes, the quicker these train-wreck "reality" shows will go away. If the politicians start fussing and passing laws, all of the six-pack joe types are going to fixate on the crap shows just to piss-off the reactionary religious extremists; just like what happens in the Good'ol USA.
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....watching streaming porn in Australia has been declared a bootable offense.