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Wind Powered Freighters Return

thatoneguyfromphoeni writes "It appears that sails could return to the ocean's freighters soon. Newsweek is reporting on a technology to assist with cross-ocean travel. From the article: 'SkySails' system consists of an enormous towing kite and navigation software that can map the best route between two points for maximum wind efficiency. In development for more than four years, the system costs from roughly $380,000 to $3.2 million, depending on the size of the ship it's pulling. SkySails claims it will save one third of fuel costs.'"

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  1. Welcome to the 80's by Warshadow · · Score: 4, Informative

    During the oil crisis in the early 80's they worked on this. I'm fairly sure one company did add sails to a ship or two and did see a reduction in fuel consumption.

    Also Popular Mechanics ran an article on this like 4 months ago. In fact it was on the cover of that issue.

    1. Re:Welcome to the 80's by Danga · · Score: 4, Informative

      Also Popular Mechanics ran an article on this like 4 months ago. In fact it was on the cover of that issue.

      I was trying to remember where I somewhat recently read about this technology and thank you for reminding me that it was in Popular Mechanics.

      I can't find a link to the Popular Mechanics article (I think it was in the february 2006 issue) but you can read more about this technology here http://alt-e.blogspot.com/2005/02/hybrids-hybrid-b oats-hybrid-ships-and.html and the following link has some more information as well as some interesting pictures/diagrams http://www.primidi.com/2005/03/07.html .

      It is pretty amazing how much more efficient the sails can make a ship, from the last link I mentioned:

      "cargo vessels can increase their speed by a minimum of 10% -- in the example given speed is increased yet by 2.25 bends, equaling 15%. Alternatively by using the SkySails propulsion fuel savings of up to 50% can be implemented."

      It showed that using 1200 litres of fuel per hour a normal ship would cruise at ~15.5 knots and a skysail enhanced ship would cruise at close to 18 knots, not too bad of a speed gain. If the skysail ship wanted to cruise at 15.5 knots instead then fuel consumption would drop from 1200 litres per hour to around 550. That is just awesome and I really hope this goes into wide use where it is feasable to use it.

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    2. Re:Welcome to the 80's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Say a ship is at sea 300 days/year. At 24hrs/day, that's 7200 hours/year under steam. Assuming the sail is always in use and it saves $400/hr, that's a savings of nearly $2.9mm in one year. Seems like the sail would pay for itself in only a couple of years, even if it's used only a fraction of the time the ship's at sea.

    3. Re:Welcome to the 80's by jban4US · · Score: 2, Informative

      you can't find it cause it was a Popular Science article i believe, i read it too.
      a quick search of the popsci website found this:
      http://www.popsci.com/popsci/whatsnew/bc0b041c0516 a010vgnvcm1000004eecbccdrcrd.html?s_prop18=whatsne w

    4. Re:Welcome to the 80's by andrewman327 · · Score: 2, Informative
      "Sadly if this does take off and companies start saving money by doing this the oil companies will just raise the cost of fuel sold for large ships to make up the difference."


      So you're telling me that as demand decreases and supply remains constant, price increases? I think an econ professor's head just asploded.


      Seriously, though, I really do hope that this becomes a common technology. I oversee some aspects of a domestic supply chain, and you would be surprised to know how much money is spent geting stuff where it needs to go. Granted, containerization and bulk shipments help reduce overhead, but it still adds up. Cheaper transport leads to cheaper prices for the consumer (or slower price increases, as the case may be). There are two different ways of adding sails to ships, both of which are shown in the link. One involves a giant kite to use faster winds at high altitude (primarily featured in TFA). The other has been in limited use for several years and uses hard square sails that open and close like window blinds.

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  2. Actually already in use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Actually, this is not just a weird idea, but this is already in use by Beluga, an ocean carrier from Bremen/Germany.

    (Funny that the image whose words I have to type in right now says 'seaport' (-: )

  3. What was old is new again by iminplaya · · Score: 4, Informative

    Sorry, this is the best I could find. I'm just not that good with this Google thing. I was looking for a picture, but FTL:
    Rising fuel prices during the 1970s prompted the development of a new technology that used sails shaped like aircraft wings turned on end to take some of the burden off the engines and save fuel. Slightly curved to form a wing shape, these sails were attached to a mast that could pivot and locate the best angle for the sail to catch the wind. Once the computers set the mast at the best angle to the wind, the sail created the same "lifting" force that an airplane's wing generates, except that the force pushed the ship along the water. However, this system did not always prove to be efficient for extremely large vessels. I thought what I saw was that the mast itself was a rigid aerodynamic sail.

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  4. I'm skeptical by Jeff+Molby · · Score: 3, Informative

    Here is a video from their site. This is obviously a prototype, so they have a LOT of scaling to do. Plus, the only time you see the boat (yes, I said boat, not ship) moving with any significant speed, you can't see the rear, so it's safe to assume that its engine is assisting.

  5. Re:How big? by Cromac · · Score: 4, Informative
    At this site http://www.bath.ac.uk/~ccsshb/12cyl/ the most powerful ship diesel running at its most efficient speed burns 1,660 gallons of heavy fuel oil per hour. Even using the cheap, nasty fuel these ships burn that's a big expense.

    According to http://www.skysails.info/index.php?id=66&L=1

    Increasing efficiency using ship diesel has almost reached its maximum potential and is also extremely expensive. According to the calculation of an expert on ship propulsions, shipping companies would have to invest up to 500,000 Euros in order to reduce a ship's fuel consumption by 1%. Fuel savings of 5% would be a fantastic performance for ship owners, according to Niels Stolberg, managing partner of Bremen-based shipping company Beluga Shipping GmbH.
    To get an increase of 35% (the max claimed by SkySails) would mean a 3.5 million euro investment, that's a lot of crewman salaries even at union wages and less than the Skysails implementation would cost.

    They have some interesting performance calculations on their website too about how much sail produces how much energy. http://www.skysails.info/index.php?id=89&L=1

  6. Re:I wonder about the article photo by MathFox · · Score: 4, Informative

    It takes some time to get a supertanker turning... but once they turn it takes significant time to stop the rotation. Rotational inertia can work against you.
    Having the pulling force closer to the center of the ship will decrease the needed rudder force for correction; using the rudder creates friction, so that's best avoided. Another advantage of having the ropes mid-deck makes it possible to lower the kite on deck, much more convenient than fishing it out of the waves after use.

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  7. Re:Wind assist by Bagheera · · Score: 2, Informative

    While the boat in Water World was quite cool, no it wasn't kite powered. They actually used two former French Forumla 1 (if I remember the class right) racing tris. One with it's original rig largely intact, and rigged so it could be sailed by a concealed crew while Costner jumped around on the multi-crank-tiller-thing at the back. The second, with it's rig replaced with a simulated egg-beater style vertical axis wind turbin that supposedly provided power for the boat's electric motors.

    Those real world tri's are FAST!

    I can't seem to find a link to it, but I've seen pictured of a group out of Hawaii who's experimenting with a tow-kite setup for yachts. They were testing on a cat that had it's normal rig replaced with what amounted to a kite-surfer's rig in jumbo size. The setup mentioned in the article is probably quite similar.

    I'd just have to wonder about the incredible tension the kite's main lead would be under. We're talking HUGE forces here. One of those "if it snaps, someone's gonna die" kind of tensions.

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  8. Re:I wonder about the article photo by nacnud75 · · Score: 4, Informative

    The parasail behaves very differently to a normal triangular sail or even a jenica. You move the parasail constantly through the air in a figure of eight to generate power. Also these ships are likely to follow the trade winds where the wind normally comes from the stern, therefore attaching the sail to the bow won't be a problem as most of the time the ship would be traveling on a broad reach or run.

  9. Re:The Flettner rotorship by Feyr · · Score: 2, Informative

    i know of at least one ship that uses round sails in activity right now. the Alcyone. it belongs to the Cousteau foundation, they do oceanographic research

  10. Re:Another factor to consider by mederjo · · Score: 3, Informative
    Sailboats tend to need keels if they plan on sailing in any direction other than directly downwind.

    Assuming that there needs to be something extra for directional stability, there are also :

    • centreboards - which drop or hinge from inside the boat which can be retracted
    • lee boards - which hinge from the side of the boat, one on each side. The one on the downwind side is usually lowered, hence the name. The most common example I can think of for these that you might know ( from paintings and such ) is Dutch sailing barges.
    • bilge keels - short ( heightwise ) keels which run along the bottom of the boat away from the centreline ( along the bilges ), often oriented on a bit of outward angle vertically.
    • water ballast - internal tanks which hold water to balance the boat. This is usually more to help with resisting the heeling/tipping force of the sails, but can be also be used to aid directional stability through good balancing.
    All of these methods generally do not add any significant permanent draught to the boat. Many of these already have a strong tradition in freight vessels, for example sailing barges which also needed to be able to move through canals, but of course not on the scope of today's freighters. Although it would cost ( or just be impractical ) to adapt these sorts of things to existing vessels, you can imagine a future when wind assisted freighters might have these designed in from the start. There would not really be too much need for extra dredging etc. The wind provides free energy ( barring the cost of the equipment needed to harness that free energy ) and engines can still be used to offset the problems sailing ships had with adverse conditions. I think we'd really have to be on the last two litres of oil before that sort of thing was seriously looked at though, there have been a number of wind assisted schemes over the years which haven't caught on ( not counting actual sailing ships of course ).

    Regards,

    Jo Meder
    Boatbuilder and yacht design student turned software developer...

  11. Re:Another factor to consider by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    A sailboat needs a keel because the sail exerts direct force on the mast, which is solidly affixed to the ship above it's center of gravity - a kite design removes some of these problems by adding lift into the equation reducing the tipping effect. Of course the 50 bajillion ton mass of a superfireghter also servers to reduce that tipping effect...

    Actually the keel does both. The keel is both a weight on the end of an arm (providing a self-righting effect) and a wing in the water (providing a tipping effect). Instead of a weighted keel, small boats like Lasers and Hobies use an unweighted keel called a centerboard or daggerboard. Since the boats are not self-righting, you must lean out or you will go swimming. You need them because the force exerted by the wind is not in the direction of travel, it is in the direction of the wind. Without some kind of keel, a sailboat can only go dead downwind. Conversely, without a keel a sailboat won't tip over (imagine a garbage pail on ice).

    The flip side is that as long as you are not trying to fight your way upwind, you don't always need a lot of keel. The rudder and/or existing keel (most watercraft have a small keel or a keel-like hull design to help them track) might be sufficient for a decent broad reach.

    As a really crazy notion, you might even be able to "fly" a planer. The kite + planer would closely parallel the relationship between a sail and a centerboard and could allow decent crosswind and upwind performance with minimal hull modification.

  12. Re:While it is good for the environment... by daeviltwin · · Score: 0, Informative

    Maybe you should have taken that class yourself. Waste can not always be quantified by price. A big difference between the US and third world countries is environmental laws. Is it more wasteful to produce a product in the US for $100 and safely dispose of any hazardous waste products than it is to produce the same product in China for $50 and just dump hazardous waste onto a field somewhere?

    In the US we have mandated safety standards. Third world countries have little or no safety standards. Laws that require companies to provide a minimum level of safety can hardly be called wasteful.

    So here is something they didn't teach you in your GED prep course.

    cheaper != less wasteful

    If you would like, I could recommend you a few economics courses at your local junior college?

  13. Re:Tugboat attachment points by alshithead · · Score: 4, Informative

    Most newer freighters and tankers can pretty much dock themselves. The have bow and stern thrusters that make them very maneuverable at low speed. These days tugs are more of a backup system for docking ships. They'll tie on and sit at the ready but the pilot on the ship is doing the docking using the bow and stern thrusters.

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