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Einstein- Husband, Lover and Father

evilsheep writes "A large collection of correspondence shedding light on Einstein's personal life and perspectives was made public today by The Albert Einstein Archives at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem. Spanning almost 3500 pages, the correspondence encompasses letters to and from his first and second wives and children between the years 1912- 1955.This newly released batch of letters fill in details to create a 'higher resolution' image of Einstein beyond what was previously known of his personal life. The collection has been in the Einstein Archives at the Hebrew University for many years, but was not made public in accordance with the will of Einstein's stepdaughter, Margot, who specified that they not be revealed until 20 years after her death. Margot died in July 1986. Einstein wrote almost daily letters to his second wife Elsa and to her daughter Margot whilst away from home about delivering and listening to boring lectures, playing music with friends, or trying to stop smoking."

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  1. Wow! by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 4, Funny

    So Albert Einstein is actually human. For all these years, I thought he existed only in Apple's "Think Different" advertisements.

    1. Re:Wow! by megaditto · · Score: 4, Interesting
      A different perspective on Einstein being human:

      Many thousands of scanned pages (PDF) from the FBI at http://foia.fbi.gov/foiaindex/einstein.htm

      Synopsis:
      An investigation was conducted by the FBI regarding the famous physicist because of his affiliation with the Communist Party. Einstein was a member, sponsor, or affiliated with thirty-four communist fronts between 1937 and 1954. He also served as honorary chairman for three communist organizations.


      Also note in part 1b the Army claims LASERs cannot be built ;-)
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  2. stopping smoking by kisrael · · Score: 4, Funny

    "You don't have to be Einstein to know smoking is bad for you... but it doesn't hurt!"

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    1. Re:stopping smoking by frosty_tsm · · Score: 3, Funny

      You beat me to it. I was going to try something like:

      Inspirational Phrases Based on Einstein's Weaknesses:
      - Even Einstein had trouble with math.
      - Einstein was one of the best minds of the 20th century, but couldn't figure out a way to quit smoking.

    2. Re:stopping smoking by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 2, Interesting

      A little known factoid about Albert Einstein's smoking habit was that he would walk down Nassau Street (the main drag in Princeton, no pun intended) looking for cigarette butts to smoke. This was when wifey cut off his supply of cigs.

  3. misleading by preppypoof · · Score: 3, Interesting
    the summary seems to paint the picture that einstein was both a great physicist and a great person...but FTA:
    Particular attention is dedicated to Einstein's relationship with his son, Eduard. Einstein found his son's schizophrenia difficult to accept, and on more than one occasion expresses the idea that it would have been better off if Eduard had not been born.
    1. Re:misleading by GuruBuckaroo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I have a stepbrother with schizophrenia. I've seen the effect it has on his father, my mother, and all of those around him. I've also thought that it may have been better that he never been born. Doesn't mean I wish he hadn't, but it certainly would have been easier.

      For years, his father watched him deteriorate, and could get no help for him. No-one treated his problem as serious - until he put an axe in his girlfriend's back. Since then, he has spent his life in institutions (thankfully not prison, which would be no help at all). He cannot live alone, has almost no social skills, and is very easily shaken into paranoid episodes - which cause him to quit taking his meds, which make it all worse. Yet through it all, his father has remained supportive, trying his best to cope with his son's illness, and my mother as well - who volunteered into this relationship, knowing (but perhaps not really knowing) how bad it could get. They do not wish he were never born. But still, perhaps it would have been better... How would you feel, if this were your son?

      Thoughts such as these do not make a person less noble. They make him human.

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    2. Re:misleading by grapeape · · Score: 3, Informative

      You have to remember though that Schizophrenia was not even defined until 1908 at the time the Eduard was institutionalized those suffering from Schizophrenia were just concidered flat out nuts. Freudian Theory was the "new science" and sas so outside the realm of Freudianisim that it was like trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. Though diagnosis was fairly defined treatment was nearly non-existant. Combine this with probablity of Albert having Aspergers himself and his feeling while not right by todays standards were clearly understandable in relation to the time and setting.

  4. Einstein's wife by generic-man · · Score: 5, Interesting
    http://extempore.livejournal.com/136440.html?threa d=2964216#t2964216

    In one letter, written in 1914, less than two years before Einstein revolutionized science with the publication of his theory of relativity, he tried to impose extraordinary conditions of marriage on his first wife, Mileva. He told her:

    1) You will expect no affection from me and you will not reproach me for this;

    2) You must answer me at once when I speak to you;

    3) You must leave my bedroom or study at once without protesting when I ask you to go;

    4) You will promise not to denigrate me in the eyes of my children, either by word or by deed.
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    In another letter, he wrote: "I treat my wife as an employee whom I cannot fire. I have my own bedroom and avoid being alone with her."

    It's in a journal, so it's probably true. I wonder if this is actually provable with dead-tree sources (the article the poster cites is not on the web).
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    1. Re:Einstein's wife by MustardMan · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Wow, a blog that quotes "news articles" from a year, and doesn't even tell you what publication those articles are in. I'm convinced. I'd love to see a REAL source for these quotes - because if they are true, that dude was a right bastard.

    2. Re:Einstein's wife by generic-man · · Score: 5, Informative

      http://www.cnn.com/TECH/9611/25/christies.einstein /

      Found it! Thank you, CNN (and Google).

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    3. Re:Einstein's wife by Eccles · · Score: 4, Informative

      You're right!

      12 Biblical Principles of Marriage

            1. Marriage consists of one man and one or more women (Gen 4:19, 4:23, 26:34, 28:9, 29:26-30, 30:26, 31:17, 32:22, 36:2, 36:10, 37:2, Ex. 21:10, Judges 8:30, 1 Sam 1:2, 25:43, 27:3, 30:5, 30:18, 2 Sam 2:2, 3:2-5, 1 Chron 3:1-3, 4:5, 8:8, 14:3, 2 Chron 11:21, 13:21, 24:3).
            2. Nothing prevents a man from taking on concubines in addition to the wife or wives he may already have (Gen 25:6, Judges 8:31, 2 Sam 5:13, 1 Kings 11:3, 1 Chron 3:9, 2 Chron 11:21, Dan 5:2-3).
            3. A man might chose any woman he wants for his wife (Gen 6:2, Deut 21:11), provided only that she is not already another man's wife (Lev 18:14-16, Deut. 22:30) or his [half-]sister (Lev 18:11, 20:17), nor the mother (Lev 20:14) or the sister (Lev 18:18) of a woman who is already his wife. The concept of a woman giving her consent to being married is foreign to the Biblical mindset.
            4. If a woman cannot be proven to be a virgin at the time of marriage, she shall be stoned (Deut 22:13-21).
            5. A rapist must marry his victim (Ex. 22:16, Deut. 22:28-29) - unless she was already a fiancé, in which case he should be put to death if he raped her in the country, but both of them killed if he raped her in town (Deut. 22:23-27).
            6. If a man dies childless, his brother must marry the widow (Gen 38:6-10, Deut 25:5-10, Mark 12:19, Luke 20:28).
            7. Women marry the man of their father's choosing (Gen. 24:4, Josh.15:16-17, Judges 1:12-13, 12:9, 21:1, 1 Sam 17:25, 18:19, 1 Kings 2:21, 1 Chron 2:35, Jer 29:6, Dan 11:17).
            8. Women are the property of their father until married and their husband after that (Ex. 20:17, 22:17, Deut. 22:24, Mat 22:25).
            9. The value of a woman might be approximately seven years' work (Gen 29:14-30).
          10. Inter-faith marriages are prohibited (Gen 24:3, 28:1, 28:6, Num 25:1-9, Ezra 9:12, Neh 10:30, 2 Cor 6:14).
          11. Divorce is forbidden (Deut 22:19, Matt 5:32, 19:9, Mark 10:9-12, Luke 16:18, Rom 7:2, 1 Cor 7:10-11, 7:39).
          12. Better to not get married at all - although marriage is not a sin (Matt 19:10, I Cor 7:1, 7:27-28, 7:32-34, 7:38).

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  5. CNN's Article by fdiskne1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    CNN also has an article on the release of the letters:
    http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/10/israel.e instein.reut/index.html

    Looks like he wasn't a true geek! He had six girlfriends in addition to his wife.

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    1. Re:CNN's Article by not+already+in+use · · Score: 5, Funny

      Start talking quantum physics to a woman and it's not long before the clothes come off.

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    2. Re:CNN's Article by kisrael · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's the trouble with women, the faster you know they are, the harder it is to know where to find 'em.

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    3. Re:CNN's Article by williw · · Score: 2, Funny

      That's the trouble with women, the faster you know they are, the harder it is to know where to find 'em.

      Wrong physicist :-)


      And that's why he got so much tail, because he never believed in that stuff. They just gravitated toward him.

  6. Higher Resolution by Kesch · · Score: 4, Funny
    batch of letters fill in details to create a 'higher resolution' image of Einstein


    I thought PBS already made a better resolution picture Einstein when they began broadcasting their shows in HD. Does this mean I can get him in 1080p now?
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  7. First Daughter? by Mr+Foobar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Didn't Einstein have a daughter from his first marriage that basically disappeared, and whom nobody really knows what happened to her? I always found it curious that such a smart man could also have such a lousy private life.

    Do these letters say anything about her?

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    1. Re:First Daughter? by blamanj · · Score: 2, Informative

      The first daughter came before Einstein and Mileva married, which is why she disappeared. The assumption is that she was put up for adoption to avoid scandal. No one knows for sure what happened to her.

      There's even a book about it.

    2. Re:First Daughter? by Kjella · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I always found it curious that such a smart man could also have such a lousy private life.

      Give me a good reason why high intelligence should lead to a good private life, really. For one, being very good at school is not the best way to get liked - nobody likes to feel stupid. In fact, I think there's an evil circle where lack of social contact leads to poor social skills which lead to lack of social contact, and nerds seem to get the worst of it. A retarded kid has greater chances to be included on the pity factor than a nerd.

      For better or worse, you think different. Often you think deeper, which means being more "responsible" and not doing all the crazy things that seem to strike some people like lightning. Sometimes it's very hard to "think down" to your peer's level - you're simply thinking on different levels and that makes it really hard to build those tight personal connections. In lack fo a better term, that the chemistry is lacking. Nevermind if you're so bright you skip ahead classes - losing a lot of the normal social circle.

      Some go completely introvert in their own intelligence and think they're superior to everyone else. Arrogance is not a good way to build good private lives. Nor does being intelligent equate to being interesting or funny. In fact, logic is often too serious, cold and calculating to make good social conversation. Does intelligence help you tell a good joke? Liven up a party? Not from what I've seen.

      And do you want to know the worst part of a rational analyzing brain? It corrupts emotion. If you got a brain that will analyse why you're happy now, why you like him as a friend, why you are falling in love with that girl, you crush the emotion. If you're not able to funnel that into your work, or some other way to just enjoy and saviour the moment, saviour the feeling then your private life will suck.

      The worst case I can recollect is Taylor (from Taylorism) that was so fixated on timetracking that he tracked himself having breakfast. All in the name of logic and efficiency. You're just not supposed to know the $/kg price of your fishing hobby. You're not supposed to be logical all the time, or even most of the time.

      I've seen many people that appear to be very happy - though they aren't particularly successful at love, fortune or otherwise. To me that sums up to "ok, but could have been a whole lot better" which is logic speaking. They are happy - irrationally happy - but happy none the less. I envy them.

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  8. Re:Einstein; inhumane? by GabrielF · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Actually, these new documents seem to change his public image for the better. He used to be known as a completely uninvolved and irresponsible father, but these documents show that at least later in life he really cared about his second wife and one of his kids. People change as they get older. Einstein certainly wouldn't have signed the famous letter to Roosevelt advocating the development of the atomic bomb after the war - although one could certainly argue about whether that means anything.

  9. Did his first wife write his papers or not? by kbonin · · Score: 2, Informative

    http://www.pbs.org/opb/einsteinswife/

    r/e Mileva Maric

    I found this fascinating - Einstein is an iconic figure, so criticism is not taken well, but I found these to be a fascinating read. No idea how good the underlying sources are, but if there is any merit to them, he may not deserve a good deal of the credit he is given. Reminds me of Tesla vs. Marconi or Tesla vs. Edison.

  10. Obligatory joke by photonic · · Score: 3, Funny
    I heard to following story about Einstein and his wife, who was apparently very pretty. Could be an urban legend...

    Wife to Einstein:
    Imagine that we would have kids together: they might be as smart as you and as pretty as me.

    Einstein to wife:
    But what if they would be as ugly as me and as stupid as you?

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    1. Re:Obligatory joke by captaint · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, it was George Bernard Shaw, not Einstein. The actual quote was closer to "But what if they had my looks and your brains?"

    2. Re:Obligatory joke by Bradlegar+the+Hobbit · · Score: 2, Informative

      The better known context of that story is George Bernard Shaw and Dorothy Parker. Apparently Parker was into eugenics at the time and suggested to Shaw they get together and have a baby.

      "With my body and your brains," she said, "she would a brilliant playwright!"

      "Yes," replied Shaw, "but what if the child had my body and your brains?"

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    3. Re:Obligatory joke by 1iar_parad0x · · Score: 2, Informative

      I believe his first wife was a classmate of his. While she may not be as famous as her husband, she did earn a physics degree from ETH Zurich.

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  11. Offtopic. Tesla's Birthday! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    With all due respect to Einstein, what I really want to see today is a story covering Nikola Tesla's 150th anniversary (he was born 150 years ago today, July 10th 1856).

  12. Re:Einstine = believer of God by richdun · · Score: 3, Interesting

    For those not simply trolling, another who thinks religion and science and well connected is Gerald Schroeder, who wrote an excellent couple of books on the subject. My favorite is The Science of God. Schroeder is an Israeli physicist (MIT educated if memory serves), and Genesis scholar.

    His main assertions are that neither top scientists nor top theologians often understand the other, and that much of the debate stems from dogged stubornness in current beliefs - think of how the Catholic Church once thought it heresy to teach the heliocentric instead of the geocentric universe, when today we know that it's really all just a matter of perspective, but that centering the universe on Earth or the Sun is not such a great idea. He really knows his science (leaves you behind very quickly if you don't grasp relativity and cosmology well, but kindly gives you a warning before diving into the particulars) and Genesis, and tries not to take a stand on one explanation or another - simply says the two aren't incompatible, especially if you acknowledge that the point of both is to seek the truth (or Truth, your choice).

  13. Why Criticize? by mcguiver · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Sure Einstein had some faults, but don't we all? Instead of reading these correspondences with criticizem for his faults lets just be greatful that we have so much information on him so we can learn from his genius as well as his blunders. Here's to the memory of a great man!!!!

  14. Re:Please fix the title! by bohemian72 · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's not exactly new. I was taught to not put the comma before the 'and' and that was about 20 years ago. It came as a surprise to me to find out that most people were taught the other way.

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  15. Because if his first wife was co-author of the... by CyberLord+Seven · · Score: 3, Interesting
    ...1905 papers we should give her credit in the history of physics. Her name should be as well known as his.

    I personally don't care about his personal life, but I am intrigued by the idea that Marie Curie may not have been the only phenomenal woman of her generation. That women of the last century did NOT have access to a potentially phenomenal role model disturbs me.

    I don't care how much pussy he got or where it came from, but my image of him is hurt IF it is true that his first wife helped him and generations of young women were deprived of a role model.

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  16. For more on Albert Einstein by iritant · · Score: 3, Informative

    Great article! If, however, you happen to be in Switzerland at any time during the next couple of months there is an Albert Einstein exhibit at the History Museum in Bern. There are audio tours given in all languages, and it covers both his scientific achievements and his personal life. The exhibit attempts to explain his achievements in a way that uninitiated would understand, and it succeeds somewhat. For more info see http://www.bhm.ch/en/ausstellungen_sonder_01.cfm

  17. Re:Always misleading... Now overly simplistic. by LWATCDR · · Score: 2, Interesting

    From your link
    "The Americans anticipated losing many soldiers in the planned invasion of Japan, although the actual number of expected fatalities and wounded is subject to some debate and depends on the persistence and reliability of Japanese resistance and whether the Americans would have invaded only Kyushu in November 1945 or if a follow up landing near Tokyo, projected for March of 1946, would have been needed. Years after the war, Secretary of State James Byrnes claimed that 500,000 American lives would have been lost--and that number has since been repeated authoritatively, but in the summer of 1945, U.S. military planners projected 20,000-110,000 combat deaths from the initial November 1945 invasion, with about three to four times that number wounded. (Total U.S. combat deaths on all fronts in World War II in nearly four years of war were 292,000.) However, these estimates were done using intelligence that grossly underestimated Japanese strength being gathered for the battle of Kyushu in numbers of soldiers and kamikazes, by factors of at least three. Many military advisors held that a worst-case scenario could involve up to 1,000,000 American casualties.

    The atomic bomb hastened the end of the Second World War in Asia liberating hundreds of thousands of Western citizens, including about 200,000 Dutch and 400,000 Indonesians ("Romushas") from Japanese concentration camps. Moreover, Japanese troops had committed atrocities against millions of civilians (such as the infamous Nanking Massacre), and the early end to the war prevented further bloodshed.

    Supporters also point to an order given by the Japanese War Ministry on August 1, 1944. The order dealt with the disposal and execution of all Allied POWs, numbering over 100,000, if an invasion of the Japanese mainland took place.[30] It is also likely that, considering Japan's previous treatment of POWs, were the Allies to wait out Japan and starve it, the Japanese would have killed all Allied POWs and Chinese prisoners.

    In response to the argument that the large-scale killing of civilians was immoral and a war crime, supporters of the bombings have argued that the Japanese government waged total war, ordering many civilians (including women and children) to work in factories and military offices and to fight against any invading force. Father John A. Siemes, professor of modern philosophy at Tokyo's Catholic University, and an eyewitness to the atomic bomb attack on Hiroshima wrote:
    "

    Einstein actually did almost no work on the Atomic Bomb project. Had he not wrote the letter it may have been dropped six months later but it would have been developed. Are the deaths of over 200,000 people tragic? Yes. Is the choice between 200,000 plus deaths and possible over a million deaths anything but terrible? Had Japan not attacked China, had Japan not attacked Pearl Harbor, or had Japan surrendered when it was clear the war was lost then those deaths would have been avoided.
    The simple truth is that the decision to develop and to drop the Atomic bomb was made by human beings. Roosevelt and Truman are regarded as two of the greatest leaders of their time. They where also known for being extremely humane men.
    Didn't the government of Japan have the responsibility to protect it's citizens? Shouldn't they have made decisions that would been in the best interest of their population? In the end all the death of Japanese citizens where the responsibility of the Japanese government.

    I guess it is easy to feel superior to the men that decided to drop the Atomic bombs than to try to understand why it happened.
    So I take it that you would have chosen to over one million dead from Japan, China, Korea, UK, US, and Indonesia over dropping the Atomic Bombs? I wonder how the million plus people that would have died then would feel about you?

    History is only simple if you don't think about.

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  18. I completely disagree. by CyberLord+Seven · · Score: 2, Insightful
    The value of seeing someone similar to yourself excelling in a given field does wonders for self esteem and self confidence.

    If Einstein's first wife participated in the 1905 papers and was never given credit for such an incredible accomplishment, women were indeed deprived of a role model.

    Yes, women can look to Victor Weisskopf, Richard Feynman, and Wolfgang Pauli for inspiration, but it is NOT the same, especially considering that a woman, Mileva Einstein, may have co-authored the greatest physics papers of the twentieth century.

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  19. Re:Does it have the part where he fucks his cousin by willabr · · Score: 3, Funny

    Well, it's all relative.

  20. What you won't find in his letters by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 2, Insightful

    is that when my mother was a child, he helped carry her books for her at Princeton after school - my grandmother was working there at the time.

    Basically, he was a nice guy to kids, is what I'm trying to say, no matter what other quirks he may have had.

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  21. Cool true story about Einstein...and my dad by notaprguy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My father played Viola as a chile and into college. When he was in college he was introduced to Einstein and ended up getting together with him and some others several times over to play music. Einstein was a violin player and apparently enjoyed getting together with friends and young people to play music. My father, who is no 76, was in his early 20's. He said they never talked about physics or math but that they did talk a lot about music, some politics and some religion. He said Einstein was very fun...good sense of humor...somewhat of a joker...but also very intense and somewhat competitive about music if someone made a mistake.