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State Department Hit With Many More Break-Ins

adjust28 writes to tell us CNN is reporting that the US State Department has been dealing with a number of computer break-ins with regards to their headquarters and offices dealing with China and Korea over the past couple of weeks. From the article: "Investigators believe hackers stole sensitive U.S. information and passwords and implanted backdoors in unclassified government computers to allow them to return at will, said U.S. officials familiar with the hacking."

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  1. Lack of motivation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The government seems to have never placed much importance on computer security. I recently read Cliff Stoll's 1989 chronicle of a hacking, The Cuckoo's Egg . Back then the government was slow to respond and pretty unmotivated, and it seems like little has changed today. Yet, once they catch someone, they give him a draconian punishment that ruins his life, just look at Mitnick. The government can't seem to decide it's priorities. It'll punish you more for cracking than for murder, but at the same time it won't secure it's own systems and heed experts.

    1. Re:Lack of motivation by rolfwind · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And also at the same time, we "have to" entrust them with our information. Which they seem to have a voracious appetite for these days. Sad, really.

    2. Re:Lack of motivation by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I have been in places where they have implemented "high security passwords" only to have the secretary simply write the thing down on a post-it and stick it to their monitor.

      That's because so-called "high security passwords" are nothing of the sort - once you reach a certain level of complexity people will simply write them down.. a password that someone can remember is far more secure than a 'high security' one that has to be written down somewhere.

      I suspect they only went that route because they were too cheap to buy securid.

  2. What about MySpace? by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 4, Funny

    This could put the State Department ahead of MySpace as the #1 destination site.

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  3. Homeland security is a joke by mcrbids · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I spent a few months not so long ago tracking down a cracker who had compromised a mail server for an ISP. He'd gotten root, and installed rootkit style stuff that hid directories, etc.

    It was a long process to penetrate all his defenses. Finally, I ended up chatting with the cracker a la Yahoo Chat, including video. He was from Romania, and liked diet 7-up.

    So, I get all the sources together with which he compromised the server. I had everything, down to IP addresses. I called the FBI and they referred me to some web page that didn't even allow enough upload to report everything I had found.

    I submitted what I could. I didn't even gt a "thank you" email. I would have been happy with a "thank you" message. But I got nothing.

    My opinion of the dept of Homeland Security as well as the FBI sank immeasurabily as a result.

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    1. Re:Homeland security is a joke by dclocke · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Unfortunately, the government just doesn't have the resources to investigate every single incident of computer trespassing. It would be nice if they could, but until then I can understand why an intrusion of an ISP mail server would not be very high on their priority list. As many incidents as there are like this that occur every day, it simply isn't possible to follow up on every one. Although, if what you say is true, it seems like you did most of the work for them. Hopefully they would at least file the information away for a rainy day, but my guess is they they didn't.

      However, if this incident caused your opinion of the FBI and DHS to sink that much, I think you may have been overly generous with your opinion of the two agencies to begin with :)

  4. The horse has bolted by jdbartlett · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I don't want to trigger a Windows/Linux debate, but relevant is this quote from a recently slashdotted interview with McKinnon:

    "I found out that the US military use Windows," said Mr McKinnon in that BBC interview. "And having realised this, I assumed it would probably be an easy hack if they hadn't secured it properly."

    Source here

    Even if it is considered right to treat such breakins so seriously: how many times must the horse bolt before the barn door?

    1. Re:The horse has bolted by stunt_penguin · · Score: 4, Funny

      It would seem that unfortunately this particular horse has managed to build himself a back door as well, unfortunately.

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  5. Re:Ask Slashdot: Why do gov't 'puters have net acc by jdbartlett · · Score: 4, Funny

    Because they're on the green.

    For a bunker shot, they'd use a sand wedge.

  6. And this is bad? by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Do we really want have a goverment that can keep things secret? A state that can keep things from being investigated by having it totally secure, privileged eyes only, any leak easily traced?

    I think not. Just remember the whole fuzz about journalists being bugged so that anyone calling them with secret information can be traced. How can the press then do its job?

    If total security is achieved say goodbye to all those leaks and exposes. You will have a system that makes the KGB look like childsplay. Not because they will abuse it but because if they want to they can, without ever being found out. All that would need to happen is for someone to come along who wishes to abuse it. Do you trust any party so much you want to give them complete secrecy?

    Democracy and free press are nasty things. They conflict immidiatly with the need to keep things hidden. Even such a simple thing as the skunk works is a direct violation of the principles of free press and accountable goverment. How the hell can we judge our goverment if they can keep what they are doing hidden from us?

    The only alternative is to accept a certain level insecurity and just go after the people that go to far. A very strange state of affairs but better then living in a police state.

    Mitnick ain't a victim. He is a stupid criminal and deserves everything he is going to get. He was not a journalist seeking the truth, he was just a cracker messing around with computers that were not his.

    If I do not lock my door that does not give you the right to enter my house. Neither do I want to live in a world where the goverment is behind closed doors.

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  7. Mental note . . . by bblboy54 · · Score: 4, Funny

    After the State Department break-ins, many employees were instructed to change their passwords.

    The root password is now "god" instead of "sex"

  8. Geek trivia for 10 thanks... by overbaud · · Score: 5, Funny

    The password for the defense department computers in question was 'Joshua'.

    If you don't get this your not geek enough, hang your head in shame.

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  9. Dept. of Homeland and FBI security priorities. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I submitted what I could. I didn't even gt a "thank you" email. I would have been happy with a "thank you" message. But I got nothing.

    My opinion of the dept of Homeland Security as well as the FBI sank immeasurabily as a result.


    Your error was that you failed to realize what the priorities of these agencies are. Report the incident again only this time put the words 'terrorist' and 'activity' in the subject line. Wait an hour and then turn on the TV, switch to a news channel and you should hear reports of massive USAF airstrikes somewhere in Romania. For shorter response times try adding the word 'Osama' to the subject line. Just be careful when using the words 'bin' and 'Laden' since combining those with the other three in one subject line might lead to a tactical nuclear strike.

  10. pass the salt please by witte · · Score: 5, Insightful

    One has to wonder if this is for real or if this is just another stab at fear-mongering so more propositions to cripple net neutrality / online privacy / ... can be passed.
    If they really experienced that much security breaches I doubt CNN would be allowed to publicize this.

    OTOH, TFA mentions a lot of scary evil things like North-Korean missiles and Chinese Hackers.

    I'm not sure whether I prefer this article to be for real or propaganda, both possibilities imply information warfare on the US people.

    1. Re:pass the salt please by Meneguzzi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think that news such as these underline the fact that the American's are putting their money on the wrong kind of project for their "homeland security". I bet that monitoring the net and phone traffic of a huge number of people costs quite a great deal of money, money which could have been spent training people to better protect sensitive, or even not that sensitive systems (the tiniest security hole can always widen and become a real liability, if you ask me).
      Wholesale monitoring of communications is as useful as trying to read all the content on the internet, for every useful bit of information you read, you get a 1000 useless bits. So training people to understand the subtleties of "the enemy" would seem a more sensible solution.

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  11. Security and transparency by Crash+Culligan · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Do we really want have a goverment that can keep things secret? A state that can keep things from being investigated by having it totally secure, privileged eyes only, any leak easily traced?

    Actually, yes we do. As long as we have to trust it with our things, we want it to be able to hold onto those things and not let just anybody see them or use them against us. If the government expects to claim that it's protecting us and our personal information, it has to deliver on that protection.

    However, you're conflating security with transparency , when in fact they're both important. Security is the ability to keep the secret things secret against prying eyes. Transparency is the ability to unlock and inspect certain documents on demand to make sure that the government is functioning as it should. And ideally, the minimum amount of information should be classified secret: the smaller the pile of sensitive information is and the less it moves around, the less likely it'll get violated.

    Democracy and free press are nasty things. They conflict immidiatly with the need to keep things hidden. Even such a simple thing as the skunk works is a direct violation of the principles of free press and accountable goverment. How the hell can we judge our goverment if they can keep what they are doing hidden from us?

    The role of the free press is to report. It could be said that the role of the free press in a healthy democracy is to act as watchdog, to report when the system's security breaks so people can be warned and take measures for their own security, or to use the transparency to report problems. And it could be further argued that when transparency breaks down and secrets are kept unnecessarily, the best thing a reporter can do is intentionally break that bad kind of security. When the Pentagon Papers were exposed and the illegal acts of the Nixon administration were revealed, that was the free press's finest hour.

    Nowadays, government security and government transparency are both oxymorons, and the "free press" provides spin, runs interference, and distracts people with the missing-blond-girl-du-jour (I'm looking at you, Fox "News"). Oh, and a significant portion of the people are okay with that.

    My question is, where do we start the triage? Any one we start to fix will give us trouble from the other three.

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  12. It may not be illegal, but... by Animaether · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...there are certainly dire consequences -if- the government wants there to be. Just look at the money tracing operations and their exposure: President Bush openly and fiercely attacked those newspapers who have reported on it, stating that they have hurt the U.S.'s cause in tracking down terrorists -and- have done damage to the security of the United States and its citizens. He has done this repeatedly, with the full support of other government officials and branches, and guess what? Recent polls showed that the nation is divided roughly in half on the issue at this time, while when the story was published most people really just didn't care too much -or- were outraged that the U.S. government once again pried in their personal affairs. That is now 50% of people agreeing that they feel less secure now that papers, specifically The New York Times, reported on this secret program, and that they shouldn't have done it and -should- be prohibited from doing so in the future. The U.S. government is doing a great job of making the papers out to be 'the bad guys', and one can only imagine that it's certainly not helping their subscribership.

    So yes, they can report whatever they want, but the government can very much make them feel sorry for doing so in financial terms. Thankfully the majority of the papers who have reported it -don't- feel sorry in terms of 'doing the right thing'; as one of the editors said - if they can't report on this, then what's next? Not reporting on Abu Ghraib? Not reporting on 'accidental' bombings of civilians? All in the name of supposed national security.

    I can understand - and papers should certainly be wise enough to make this decision for themselves - that papers should -not- publish information regarding specific individuals or programs that would severely compromise those individuals or programs; e.g. operatives abroad who have infiltrated: you don't go publishing their names and photos. Investigations into a terrorist sleeper cell in Hicksville: you don't go publishing that they are under investigation. But for something as broad as "The U.S. government is tracking your international money transfers", there is -no- compromise of the program. If nothing else, sad as it is, most people probably expect that the U.S. government was doing that already, and the U.S. government can happily continue doing so; they can't honestly believe that terrorists will suddenly go "oh dear, I say... they are tracing our money wires.. perhaps we should stop using that.".

    Elections must be coming up again soon...

  13. Re:Ask Slashdot: Why do gov't 'puters have net acc by jferguson · · Score: 4, Informative

    At least as of five years ago, most State Department computers had a single monitor, keyboard and mouse plugged into a switch that in turn ran to two different CPUs. One CPU, with big red stickers on it, was the classified ("class") machine; the other, with big green stickers on it, was the unclassified ("unclass") machine. The class machine had an ethernet hookup to the State Department intranet, to handle Lotus Notes and access to Cable Express, the computerized version of State's old Telex cable system. That intranet was completely disconnected from the internet. The unclass machine had a connection to the internet.

    The hard disk in the class machine had a barrel lock on it. At the end of the working day, you powered down your machine, unlocked and removed the hard drive, and locked the drive in your safe. (The safe is less fancy than it sounds: a standard four-drawer file cabinet with two u-flanges welded onto it; you slid a long steel bar through both flanges and padlocked it into place. Cheap, but pretty effective.) The unclass machine's hard disk remained in place, and those machines were rarely turned off.

    As the story mentioned, most of the hacks target unclass machines, for the simple reason that they can't reach class machines. Give State some credit; on the hardware side at least, they did the right thing by building two networks.

    The problem with this setup is this: say you're writing a report that will include some classified information but that will also have background research perhaps from the internet. In theory, you should write the report on the class machine. You should do the internet research on the unclass machine, write up whatever you want to add to the report, copy it to a floppy or flash drive, and copy it onto the class machine. The document from the class machine should never appear on the floppy or the flash drive, much less the unclass machine. In practice, as you can imagine, people often put the file on the portable medium so that they can avoid wrangling with version control (most foreign-service officers don't know what version control is, but they know they don't like to wrangle with it). Once you start doing that, it's only a matter of time before classified information ends up on an unclassified machine.

    Just for the record, a lot of classified information is, frankly, uninteresting. If an embassy staffer covers a rally in the foreign capital and writes a cable that has six paragraphs of description of the rally and one paragraph of commentary on the rally, he'll often mark his comments confidential; this in turn makes the cable classified. This tendency to classify TOO MANY THINGS only adds to the report-writing problem I mentioned above, since often the necessary reference material is unclassified description within a classified cable.

    Frankly, if you can come up with a way to sort out this state of affairs, I think the State Department would be pretty willing to listen to it. At least, based on watching diplomatic security officers tear their hair out at the potential security breaches that their own employees commit, I think they would be.