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HP Provides Alternate Technology to RFID

NerdForceMaster writes "HP has unveiled a new alternative to standard RFID technology, a chip the size of a tomato seed that has 500KB of memory and can communicate at 10mbps. Lets hope this one is commercially availible soon." We beg forgiveness; dupe etc etc.

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  1. Hmm, where have I heard that before.... by Roy+van+Rijn · · Score: 3
    1. Re:Hmm, where have I heard that before.... by njvic · · Score: 4, Funny

      Poor subscribers - they PAY to see dupes before the rest of us.

  2. Tomato seed? by MMC+Monster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Okay. Exactly how big is a tomato seed again?

    What ever happened to standard units of measure? This is a tech crowd. How about a size in millimeters?

    I tried googling "1 tomato seed in millimeters", but that didn't give me a useful number...

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    1. Re:Tomato seed? by pieterh · · Score: 4, Funny

      A tomato seed is, as astute readers of the last embodiment of this story will remember, almost exactly the same size as a grain of rice.

      Presumably HP is now using the "use food as units of measurement and the hungry masses will lap up your products" theory of mass marketing.

      Coming soon:

        - a laptop the size of a pizza calzone!
        - a new PDA the size of a 8-oz packet of California sun-dried raisins!
        - ink cartridges the size of a small tin of caviar (and more expensive!)
        - a secure USB drive the size of a sun-dried tomato! ...

    2. Re:Tomato seed? by KiloByte · · Score: 3, Funny

      - a mail server the size of a can of SPAM

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  3. Finally! by cerberusss · · Score: 4, Funny
    a chip the size of a tomato seed that has 500KB of memory and can communicate at 10mbps
    Finally, a brain for my girlfriend!
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    1. Re:Finally! by Craptastic+Weasel · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yup, now all you need to find is a body and you're set!!


      I kid... who needs the brain?

  4. TFA says rfid, "not built out" into industries by adam · · Score: 4, Interesting

    FTFA: "The hard part is building the ecosystem. You have to get your readers and writers, and I don't know how long it will take me to convince the cell phone companies to do this. How long has RFID been around and it's still not completely built out?"

    Understatement of the week, for sure. I'm struggling to think of more than half a dozen consumer-exposed implementations of RFID. There are a few gas-station speedpass[tm] gimmicks, some high end automobiles use them in their keys, and various department stores use them to keep inventory from walking out the front door. And a few casinos are now using RFID chips to prevent various gaming schemes and track user play. I think that "not completely" built out is more than an understatement. For instance, the uspto currently lists 2114 patents including the keyword "RFID" versus 519515 including the keyword "OPTICAL" (if you think optical technologies are not a fair comparison, do your own search with your own chosen technology.. my point is simply that RFID has barely been explored by many industries)

    Not that I claim to be much of an expert on RFID, but at least it appears technologies such as this will be less vulernable to the encryption problems that RFID currently experience. (previous link is just some random example i googled for.. /. as well as Bruce Schneier have both covered the RFID encryption [and other inherent weakness] topics extensively in the past)

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  5. Better stock up, guys, by eighty4 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    your wallet is going to need at least three layers of tin foil now...

  6. But how will it be any better than RFID? by RandoX · · Score: 3, Interesting

    According to the article, the chips will be rewritable. So instead of just stealing your credit card/door key/passport information, someone will be able to erase it so that yours doesn't work anymore or worse. Imagine the 'splainin you'll have when your passport comes up with the name "O. Bin Ladin"?

  7. A little communication goes a long way by Tim+C · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Perhaps the "editors" should talk to each other?

  8. Lost item locator by maximthemagnificent · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I just want 15 foot range cheap RFID tags so I can tag everything I ever want to find again with a
    unique ID. A detector with left and right LEDs would be enough. To never again go insane trying
    to find my glasses, car keys, books, or remote (to say nothing of losing tools outside) would be huge.

    Maxim

    1. Re:Lost item locator by eighty4 · · Score: 3, Funny

      until you can't find the locator...

      (or you could just tidy up)

    2. Re:Lost item locator by shinnie · · Score: 3, Funny

      I have a great lost item locator. It's called a wife. Have you tried this approach?

  9. $20 says Walmart goes for RFID by Cordath · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Actually, no.

    From the article:

    "Information transfer requires actual physical connection to the Memory Spot and Taub says they designed it that way. 'We don't want to increase the range of contact,' he said. 'We think it's just right.'

    Of course, the requirement for physical contact to transfer data means that these chips will be completely unsuitable for many of the applications RFID's seem poised to handle. For example, merchandise tags in stores. With HP's chips merchandise currently protected by security tags will still require separate security tags. With RFID tags the securty tags can be eliminated. The concept of being able to walk into a store, stuff your pockets with merchandise, and walk out and be automatically billed as you pass through the door won't work with these chips. That may appeal to some consumers, but not to the people running stores. Less shop-lifting and no cashiers is a pretty sweet deal.

    I can see these chips being preferable for some applications though. Although a RFID credit card might let you walk out of that store with your stuffed pockets without slowing down, one of HP's chips may ultimately prove more secure even since physical contact is required for them to operate. (i.e. No RFID-sniffing, or whatever they wind up calling it.) Even if RFID proves perfectly secure, the requirement for physical contact will probably be perceived as more secure by most people anyways.

    The storage capacity on HP's chips is impressive however, and will probably open up entirely new applications that RFID never had a hope of filling. Imagine whipping out your HP-ecosystem-ified cell-phone or other such gadget and being able to play short video clips and sounds about a product just by swiping it past your phone. This could range from movie previews from a swiping a movie poster while just outside a movie theater to instructions on how to wash your clothes from a chip inbedded in the tags. Of course, I'm willing to bet that after a while every chip you swipe will try to sell you something before it actually does anything useful...

  10. Not Really Better then RFID by shaneh0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Despite the misleading summary and lede, inside the article it explains that you need CONTACT with this "tomato seed" to read its data. I can see this as solving some of the same problems as RFID, like the Passports, for example, that you don't want to be read at a distance. But for other problems, like determining how many widgets Acme Co. has in their warehosue, it's not much better then a bar code.

  11. Industry Use by coyoteworks · · Score: 3, Informative

    It's useful to keep in mind the distinction between passive and active RFID. Passive RFID includes only an RF receiver, is read-only, and has a minimal read distance (effectively, about 5 meters). Active RFID tags have a transceiver and are therefore limited only by their power source (and size considerations). Some RFID experts have estimated that between six and twenty cents (USD) is the maximum cost for passive RFID that provide ROI. This makes HP's technology between five and sixteen times greater than the cutoff for ROI on passive RFID.