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Dvorak Rants on CSS

John Dvorak writes on CSS after working on redesigning his weblog, the article ended up being extremely funny. From the write-up:
As we move into the age of Vista, multimedia's domination on the desktop, and Web sites controlled by cascading style sheets running under improved browsers, when will someone wake up and figure out that none of this stuff works at all?!

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  1. Two problems by rk · · Score: 5, Funny
    1. John Dvorak, unfashionably late as always. It's news that CSS has problems? Hasn't anybody who's done even casual web development known this for six or seven years now?
    2. To summarize Dvorak's argument: "OMG Inheritance is just too hard to understand LOL"
    3. ("Two problems" "Three, Sire!") When someone characterizes something as "extremely funny", I'd like to think the article will at least make me grin once. I'll admit to a moderate anti-Dvorak prejudice, but it came off closer to the neighborhood of "extremely stupid" than "extremely funny".
    1. Re:Two problems by Gospodin · · Score: 5, Funny

      Don't worry, IE7 will solve all of your problems.

      [insert failed attempt to keep a straight face here]

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    2. Re:Two problems by AKAImBatman · · Score: 2, Funny
      I must admit to a generally pro-Dvorak bias. Everyone is bound to disagree with him a certain percentage of the time, but I think he is worth reading.

      Yes, he is rather brilliant, isn't he?
    3. Re:Two problems by Fordiman · · Score: 4, Funny

      Meanwhile, this article is basically Dvorak saying, "Man. Programming is HARD. It has to be a problem with the language."

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    4. Re:Two problems by Zaplocked · · Score: 5, Funny

      [insert failed attempt to keep a straight face here]

      Not running an ACID2 compliant web browser, I see :)

    5. Re:Two problems by Zoshnell · · Score: 3, Funny

      Perhaps next time you should try :-|

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    6. Re:Two problems by AVee · · Score: 2, Funny

      I have had IE crash using that. It isn't ready for production websites.

      Good thinking, you're almost there. The 'not ready for production websites' is spot on, now change 'It' into 'IE' and you've understoond the problem.

  2. Dvorak, IT's own Andy Rooney by OakDragon · · Score: 5, Funny
    Didja ever notice how web pages look different? Why do we have all these fonts? Shouldn't one or two fonts be enough?

    Ah yes, material for years.

  3. Extremely Funny? by neonprimetime · · Score: 5, Funny
    Ok, I'll summarize the funny parts.
    1. _
    2. _
    3. _


    The only reason I use CSS is because color coordination does not run in my genes.
  4. Whycome? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Whycome when Dvorak troll he gets linked to and when I trolls I get modded down?
    Dat jus not fair.

    1. Re:Whycome? by IMarvinTPA · · Score: 2, Funny

      Because this is Slashdot and we like to laugh at him.

      IMarv

  5. Re:Standard versus Proprietary? by TheRequiem13 · · Score: 2, Funny
    to me he was still the first real tech comedy print blogger before the term was coined.

    I'm not so sure that's a coined term yet.
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  6. Re:Silly Dovak by happyemoticon · · Score: 1, Funny

    lrn2css, n00b

  7. interactive transcript by revery · · Score: 5, Funny

    Cast:
    John Dvorak: played by a angry, crying, screaming Horatio Sanz
    Normal Human: played by you (unless you are John Dvorak)

    Dvorak: CSS IS STUPID!! I CAN'T MAKE IT WORK SO IT SUCKS!!! STUPID STANDARDS BODIES!!! WHY DON'T THEY MAKE ALL THE BROWSERS WORK THE SAME?!?!? WHY!?!?!

    Normal Human: Uhm, John. The standards bodies aren't in charge of the browsers. And lot's of people use CSS on sites that look practically identical on all the major browsers.

    Bvorak: NO THEY DON'T. I CAN'T MAKE IT WORK, SO IT SUCKS!!!

    Normal Human: Maybe if you bought a good book on CSS. Something by Eric Meyer...

    DVORAK!: BUT IT CASCADES!!!

    Normal Human: It's suppopsed to cascade. Just calm down.

    DVORAK!!!: A BEAR ATE MY PARENTS!!!!

    Normal Human: ...

    DVORAK!?!?!: KHAAAAAAAAAAAAN!!!!!

    Normal Human: I hate you.

  8. Internet Connection Losing CSS data??? WTF??? by rainman_bc · · Score: 5, Funny

    If your Internet connection happens to lose a bit of CSS data, you get a mess on your screen.

    When does that happen? When the web server times out because the CSS is too big to host out? Or when Dvorak's AOL connection kicks him off because his free 100 minutes has run out?

    C'mon...

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  9. Re:It's not a "standard" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Now I get it, it's only a standard if Microsoft supports it.

  10. As most readers know, I'm a blogger. by digitaldc · · Score: 4, Funny

    "As most readers know, I'm a blogger."

    That's like saying, "As most readers know, I am a computer operator."

    CSS stands for Conspicuously Sketchy Sheets
    Here's a tutorial John - http://www.w3schools.com/css/css_intro.asp

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  11. Re:Solution by Amazing+Quantum+Man · · Score: 4, Funny
    Actually, that's a good one. Remember those sites that say "This site requires IE..."

    If the user's running IE, redirect to a page that says something to the effect of:

    This page uses standards compliant CSS for layout. You are running IE, which does not render CSS properly. Please upgrade to Opera [link] or Firefox [link] to experience this website properly


    Turnabout is, after all, fair play.
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  12. Re:Standard versus Proprietary? by cayenne8 · · Score: 2, Funny
    "FWIW, I know that making a good CSS means documenting and comments everywhere..."

    What are these strange terms you use here...documentin and comments? These are foreign to us here on /.

    :-)

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  13. Re:The age of Vista? by hey! · · Score: 4, Funny

    wtf does that imply? and wtf does it have to do with CSS? and wtf is this stuff that matters?

    It's a logical necessity. Starting with "As we approach the age of Vista" logically predicates the following statements on the assumption we are approaching an "Age of Vista".

    This allows us to say anything we please, because of the well known logical rule having to do with statements predicated on falsehood.

    Example:
    "As we approach the Age of Vista, engines powered by quantum singularities willreplace internal combustion."

    "But, the internal combustion engine is still here!"

    "Is it the Age of Vista?" "No."

    "Well, then."

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  14. Savor the irony by IGnatius+T+Foobar · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...or maybe the inanity, your choice. He mentions Vista and CSS in the same sentence, and then focuses on CSS for a rant about things that don't work?

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  15. Re:Internet Connection Losing CSS data??? WTF??? by Bogtha · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's when there's a hole in one of the tubes, all the CSS starts to leak out.

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  16. Every Time Dvorak Speaks by jokerr · · Score: 5, Funny

    Baby Jesus cries :'-(

  17. Mark your calendars by paralaxcreations · · Score: 5, Funny

    This marks the day Dvorak realized the same frustrations of myspace kids everywhere. Hell, he even wrote a blog complaining about it.

    "Dear Diary,
    I don't understand why CSS won't work on my site! OMG, all I want to do is make every div tag on my page 50% transparent, why does it slow things down so much?? Sometimes I think everyone's out to get me. In the end I ended up using Tom's myspace editor, but now I have a link to his page on my page and I don't know how to get rid of it. I hate my life.

    -J.D."

  18. Dvorak: visionary by Pancake+Bandit · · Score: 2, Funny
    "The Macintosh uses an experimental pointing device called a 'mouse'. There is no evidence that people want to use these things."

    John Dvorak, San Francisco Examiner, February 1984

    Dvorak: Visionary of the Future

  19. Re:Experts should be optional by The+Queen · · Score: 3, Funny

    Personally I don't need random stock photos of smiling people with dreadlocks and thick rimmed plastic glasses using laptops to use a website. Or Flash.

    You will obey the commands of the Director of Marketing in this, and in all things! Our data shows that the public is not interested in clear, intuitive navigation; nay, they require smileys that appear to trail behind their mouse pointer when it moves! Smileys they shall have, for it has been deemed most Profitable and Right in the eyes of our Lord CEO, He Who Knows All Despite What the IT Dept. Tells Him. He likes the company jingle to play when the pages load, and so does his wife. Praise Him!

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  20. My Article: Why Dvorak Bugs Me? by neonprimetime · · Score: 3, Funny

    - His articles are cascading. I mean, it starts sucking at the top, and the further I delve into it, the more it sucks. And if my web browsers looses some of his article, then all hell breaks loose on the suckiness.
    - His articles don't follow the standards. Typically, and article posted online is supposed to be interesting, informative, and be written by a well educated man. This article follows none of those standards.
    - His article was supposed to be dynamic. But every time I read the damn thing it's stil the same old boring Sh!t.

  21. Re:Internet Connection Losing CSS data??? WTF??? by migurski · · Score: 2, Funny

    And it makes a hissing sound: "csssssssssss...."

  22. Re:Blame Internet Explorer by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 2, Funny

    Ok, once and for all, I retract the word "popular" (even though one of Websters http://www.webster.com/dictionary/popular defitinions for popular is - frequently encountered ). IE is used by more people (possibly under duress, laziness, and/or ignorance) than any other browser. I do not endorse or condone this policy, I am merely stating a fact. I myself do not use IE. But a crapload of other folks do. That's it. Everyone happy now?

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