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Ancient Reptile Had Wings Like a Fighter Jet

anthemaniac writes "A reptile that lived 225 million years ago had triangular-shaped wings like the delta-wings of some jets. At least that's what a new computer model suggests. Researcher have generated several possible shapes for the wings of Sharovipteryx mirabili before, so this is just the latest guess (based on one fossil). Last fall NatGeo reported that the first biplane configuration was on a dinosaur. Maybe airplane designers should delve into the fossil record a little more."

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  1. Unlikely wing design. by BWJones · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I would find that a true delta configuration would be unlikely as there would be little evolutionary advantage to developing an inherently less stable "wing" configuration for the low speed flying that this creature would be doing.

    The whole reason that flight engineers started adopting the delta wing configuration is that it allowed the shockwave for supersonic flight to be better controlled flight by moving the leading edge of the wing back behind the terminus. This is great for high speed flight, but miserable for low speed flight as it requires very high stall speeds that would be ....... unlikely in this creature.

    Furthermore, if one looks at just about any flying creature now or in the past, the leading edge of their "wing" has always been protected by bone, feather or both. To have an unprotected membrane as the leading edge of the "wing" that could be easily damaged would be devastating to the aerodynamic properties and the overall fitness of the organism. From these reasons, I would be much more likely to believe the first alternative reconstruction of Sharovipteryx mirabilis where the membranes could be protected and even gathered up when not in use, a function that would not be possible with standard articulation of the bones as presented in the figures of Dykes representation.

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    1. Re:Unlikely wing design. by Rakshasa+Taisab · · Score: 5, Funny

      Ever considered the possibility that looking cool would be an evolutinary advantage?

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    2. Re:Unlikely wing design. by HolyCrapSCOsux · · Score: 4, Funny

      Of course it was not a good design. If it was, it wouldn't be extinct would it?

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  2. Science-Creationism parser by grub · · Score: 5, Funny


    A reptile that lived 225 million years ago had triangular-shaped wings

    You mean "6,000 years ago an all-powerful sky-wizard designed a miraculous flying beast and a mate for travel on Noah's Ark."

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  3. They have this all wrong. by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 4, Informative

    We need to stop looking at ancient fossils, we need to go and ask the only living relative of this creature just what they were for and how they looked.

    This reptile was clearly the ancestor of MC Hammer.

    Back in reality now (after a cold shower) some Bats have practically identical skin flaps between their legs even nowadays.

    As for diving into the fossil records, we should be trying to model our aircraft on living birds and bats and insects, at least then we don't need a computer to guess how it should work. I would rather put my trust into something when there are plenty of study models to base a design from, not a single sample guestimate.

    We can already soar like an eagle perhaps we need the manoeuvrability of a bat for urban airports?

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  4. CAD by berenixium · · Score: 5, Funny

    "What do the latest simulations look like?"
    "The computer suggests that the bird had 'fighter plane'-like wings..."
    "Let me see that hardcopy!"
    "...WTF? A concorde-type nose? Who the **** has been messing with my simulation-apps again? ****ing undergrads!"

  5. Re:Hello... by MustardMan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Is this some sort of religiously inspired ID nonsense?

    You know, I have come up with the perfect compromise for the creationists. We scientists will gladly start using "might have evolved" and "may have lived millions of years ago" if you will change the Bible to say "Moses may have parted the red sea" and "God could have said 'let there be light'".

  6. What NOT to do by Odin_Tiger · · Score: 5, Funny
    Maybe airplane designers should delve into the fossil record a little more.
    The first and only known rear-limb delta-wing-glider type creature. Oh, and it's extinct. Maybe the rear-oriented delta-wing airplane design isn't such a great idea after all? >:P
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  7. Re:What gets me... by Otter · · Score: 4, Funny

    Forgot to note that my mental image upon reading "Sharovipteryx" was of a blonde, tennis-playing, flying dinosaur, a lot hotter than you'd expect such a creature to be.

  8. Re:Hello... by donutello · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yeah, but the lizard failed to file for a patent and thus lost its right to claim the original design.

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  9. that's just as good of a guess by MrFebtober · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Ever considered the possibility that looking cool would be an evolutinary advantage?

    Sexual display often drives evolution. The brighter the feathers, the bigger the tusks, the stinkier the stink gland, it can all lead to natural selection. If that's what you meant by "cool," then you may have something there. In this case, it could be that the bigger the rear-leg skin flaps, the more attractive to the female. Lots of birds have huge feathers that are only for display. In some cases they make flight impossible, but display takes priority. Any reason why that couldn't be what's going on here?

    crap, I just contradicted my other post.

    1. Re:that's just as good of a guess by ElephanTS · · Score: 4, Interesting

      No, evolution does not work that fast. What you're seeing is an image-obssessed society spending and working more on their appearance. I tend to share your opinion - people today are better looking - but it's mainly presentation. But also good lookingness (to get a bit Blue Steel here) is closely tied to evolutionary fitness (healthy=attractive) so perhaps people are generally healthier. Evolution would only have an effect if the least good-looking were not able to breed because of it. Although this may be the case for a small number of men (insert slashdot joke here) I don't think it's going to be evolutionarily significant.

      On a similar topic, have you ever noticed people from 50 years ago looked different to people now. I used to think that was due to presentation (ie, fashion, hairstyles, grooming etc) but now I think it's down to dietary differences and developmental factors. People in the UK, increasingly look younger than they used to too due, I suspect, to better living and working conditions.

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  10. Jet exhaust by lastninja · · Score: 4, Funny

    Considering that most dinosaurs were herbivores and ate a lot of beans and grass, not only did they have delta-wings of some jets, they probably had jet exhaust engines aswell :).

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