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Microsoft to Allow Competitive Search

Aviran Mordo writes to tell us Reuters is reporting that Microsoft is announcing a voluntary policy to help guide the development of Windows in the future. The policy, which Microsoft senior vice president Brad Smith said was 'committed to creating a transparent system that allows open competition,' will start by allowing other search engines like Google to be set by default.

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  1. between the lines by yagu · · Score: 5, Informative

    Not to be overly paranoid, but this is Microsoft we're discussing, and this is Slashdot, but what are the "terms" to allow manufacturers to set any search engine as default? Manufacturers in the past, before the DOJ decision were allowed to ship computers with any operating system they chose. It's just that Microsoft provided strong incentives for them not to.

    While I like Microsoft's "allowance", considering past behavior, I'd rather they stipulate "with no strings attached", which wasn't stated explicitly. I know this post will bring me Flame/Troll mods, but fool me once...

    Fairness UPDATE: From this Seattle Times article are the words that bring the clarity I sought (emphasis mine):

    This includes specifics such as the freedom to add "icons, shortcuts and the like to the Windows Start menu and other places used to access software programs"; the ability for manufacturers to set non-Microsoft programs to be used by default; the ability to remove Microsoft programs like Explorer and Media Player and promote non-Microsoft programs exclusively; and business terms that protect manufacturers who go the non-Microsoft route from retaliation.

    This is good news!

    1. Re:between the lines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny
      I know this post will bring me Flame/Troll mods, but fool me once...


      Don't tempt me ... I have mod points and I'm willing to use them
  2. Oh my! by kimvette · · Score: 4, Insightful
    "If a manufacturer wants to set competing search services ... by default, they can do so," Smith said in a speech at the New America Foundation, a Washington public policy institute.


    They're allowing OEM builders and end users to change some basic settings on their own computers? Oh my, how thoughtful of Microsoft! What's next, "allowing" system builders and users to install competitors' web browsers and office suites? "Allowing" system builders and users to change their wallpaper?

    I'm sorry, I just don't see anything groundbreaking in this "news." I read it more as spin on the fact that if they don't allow such settings to be changed, they'll find themselves in the antitrust hot seat again.
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    1. Re:Oh my! by McFadden · · Score: 5, Insightful
      >I'm sorry, I just don't see anything groundbreaking in this "news."


      I disagree. While it may be true that 'they should have been doing this all along', the fact that Microsoft (may) be allowing more free and open competition, including the actual removal of their own applications like IE, is pretty significant. You may be cynical about Microsoft, and rightfully so, but if Microsoft genuinely walks the walk, it would be a major redirection for their business strategy which up until now has thrived on exclusivity deals.

    2. Re:Oh my! by tcc3 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      MS has done enough shady stuff in the past without you laying on the FUD. MS has never kept users from installing a 3rd party browser, office suite, or change their walpaper. Your sensationalism brands you a blind MS hater and actually weakens your argument.

    3. Re:Oh my! by marcello_dl · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Sure it is a major redirection, pity that it doesn't likely come from mr. Gates waking up one morning and realizing his enterprise behaved just like the mafia, but from antitrust and competition. Even if it takes years to complete, this is a tactical, not a strategic move. BTW, granparent doesn't deserve negative moderation.

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    4. Re:Oh my! by megaditto · · Score: 3, Interesting
      fact that Microsoft (may) be allowing more free and open competition, including the actual removal of their own applications like IE, is pretty significant.


      Exactly as significant as a prison warden allowing the inmates to request an uninstall of toilets and beds from their cells!

      Absolutely no 'good will" on Microsoft's part; they are just electing the lesser evil: open up a little, or lose customers to KDE/Gnome and get sued to boot. What IS significant here is that Microsoft apparently feels threatened.
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  3. If MS drama was an MMORPG by voice_of_all_reason · · Score: 5, Funny

    Microsoft: Yeah, you can take this shortcut through our guildhall to the Orc Camp.
    You: Cool
    Microsoft: Now just sheath your sword and look straight ahead...
    You: Okay (starts walking)
    Without warning, Microsoft stabs you from behind!
    Microsoft massacres you with incredible force.
    Microsoft massacres you with incredible force.
    You are bleeding to death...

    1. Re:If MS drama was an MMORPG by Tackhead · · Score: 3, Funny
      > Microsoft: Yeah, you can take this shortcut through our guildhall to the Orc Camp.
      You: Cool
      Microsoft: Now just sheath your sword and look straight ahead...
      You: Okay (starts walking)
      Without warning, Microsoft stabs you from behind!
      Microsoft massacres you with incredible force.
      Microsoft massacres you with incredible force.
      You are bleeding to death...

      Or it could go this way...

      Microsoft: Now just sheath your sword and look straight ahead...
      You: Okay (starts walking)
      Gates: Right. Stick to the plan.
      Ballmer: Embrace, enbalm, extinguish.
      Darl: All right chums, I'm back! Let's do this! LEEROOOOOOOY JEEENKIIIIIINSSS!!! [runs into you with a lawsuit]

      You: WTF?

      Gates: [incredulous] ... Oh my God he just ran in. [provides more capital] Ballmer: Oh jeez, stick to the plan. Penrose: [shoots self] Penrose down. Penrose down. Gates: Oh man. ValleyGirl: [shoots self] I'm down. Val down. Baystar: RBC, rez us! RBC, rez us! RoyalBank: RBC down, sorry Baystar. No more funding. RBC down. Baystar: Oh God. Yarro: Oh God.
      You strike the Windows installation with a penguin. Microsoft is bleeding to death...
      Gates: Why you do this shit Darl?
      Ballmer: Darl, you are just stupid as hell.
      SCO: 'Least I have chicken.

    2. Re:If MS drama was an MMORPG by idonthack · · Score: 2, Funny

      I think the scariest part was you got massacred twice. As if you weren't dead enough already.

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  4. Fulll press release text the story is based on. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Microsoft Announces Principles to Guide Future Development of Windows
    Twelve tenets to continue to apply after major parts of U.S. antitrust ruling expire.
    July 19, 2006 1:45 PM ET

    WASHINGTON, July 19, 2006 /PRNewswire via COMTEX/ -- Recognizing the important role the Windows(R) operating system plays in the global information economy, Microsoft Corp. (MSFT) today announced a set of voluntary principles to help guide the future development of the Windows desktop platform worldwide, starting with Windows Vista(TM).

    (Logo: http://www.newscom.com/cgi-bin/prnh/20000822/MSFTL OGO )

    In a speech hosted by the New America Foundation at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C., Microsoft General Counsel Brad Smith said these principles will continue to apply after major parts of the U.S. antitrust ruling expire in November 2007.

    "Our goal is to be principled and transparent as we develop new versions of Windows," Smith said. "These voluntary principles are intended to provide the industry and consumers with the benefits of ongoing innovation, while creating and preserving robust opportunities for competition. The principles incorporate and go beyond the provisions of the U.S. antitrust ruling."

    The principles, which consist of 12 tenets, are divided into the following three general categories:

    -- Choice for Computer Manufacturers and Customers. Microsoft is committed to designing Windows and licensing it on contractual terms so as to make it easy to install non-Microsoft(R) programs and to configure Windows-based PCs to use non-Microsoft programs instead of or in addition to Windows features.

    -- Opportunity for Developers. Microsoft is committed to designing and licensing Windows (and all the parts of the Windows platform) on terms that create and preserve opportunities for applications developers and Web site creators to build innovative products on the Windows platform - including products that directly compete with Microsoft's own products.

    -- Interoperability for Users. Microsoft is committed to meeting customer interoperability needs and will do so in ways that enable customers to control their data and exchange information securely and reliably across diverse computer systems and applications.

    Smith told the audience that the principles do not supplant the continued application of antitrust law or the important role of government agencies and the courts in applying those laws.

    "Microsoft is committed both to full compliance with antitrust law and to an ongoing and constructive dialogue with governments and others in the industry -- both in the United States and around the world," he said.

    In addition to the 12 tenets Microsoft announced today, Smith acknowledged that other issues remain that still must be addressed by regulators, both now and in the future.

    "We're not suggesting that the Windows Principles will address every question raised by regulators and competitors," Smith said. "However, the fact that there are unanswered questions shouldn't impede the adoption of a broad set of principles in those areas where there is clarity and consensus."

    Smith said he believes it is critical for Microsoft and regulators to engage in open and constructive dialogue with a goal of resolving issues during product development and before the release of new products.

    "We have a responsibility to bring information about new technologies to regulators, so we can pursue an open and constructive dialogue before the launch of these new products," he said. "Given the global nature of the information economy, we recognize the importance of providing this information on a global basis."

    To ensure that the 12 tenets announced today reflect technological, business or legal developments going forward, Smith said Microsoft intends to review its Windows Principles at least once every three years. To ensure transparency, any changes wil

    1. Re:Fulll press release text the story is based on. by ScrewMaster · · Score: 2, Funny

      Our goal is to be principled and transparent as we develop new versions of Windows

      Microsoft. Principled. Transparent.

      Ah hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

      Ha.

      Sorry, that blast of humor took me completely by surprise.

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  5. Lots more where that came from by ZachPruckowski · · Score: 5, Informative

    Unfortunately, this article seems to have only hit the tip of the iceberg. The full list of commitments is at an official MS site

    Now, I'm as realistic as the next guy, but these look pretty nice. The big ones are 5 and 9, which make it look like MS won't hit back against any manufacturer for bundling Linux on a desktop. It also allows for OEMs to remove WMP11 and IE7 from Vista if they'd rather bundle something else, or just bundle both, at no extra cost.

  6. Re:Angels! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    they made halo. and halo 2, 2.

  7. Re:ya right by Harmonious+Botch · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Microsoft cares about Microsoft (and whoever pays them the most money).."

    ...as do most companies. Indeed, any company that does not is begging for a shareholder's lawsuit for malfeasence. Hey, I hate MS too, but this is normal.

  8. Let the bidding begin! by I'm+Don+Giovanni · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That's all well and good, and I imagine that OEMs will offer the default media player, search engine, browser, etc to the highest bidder.

    However, to be fair, Microsoft should not be prohibited from being one of those bidders. For example, if Google, Firefox, and Real offer Dell millions to make Google, Firefox, and Real the default search, browser, and media player, respectively, Microsoft should be allowed to outbid Google, Firefox, and/or Real to make Live.com, IE, and WMP the default search, browser, and/or media player.

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    1. Re:Let the bidding begin! by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Interesting
      However, to be fair, Microsoft should not be prohibited from being one of those bidders.

      The whole reason that we have these restrictions against microsoft, and judgements that match, is that they are a monopoly. The reason they are getting fined etc. is that they are aggressively protecting their monopoly status. Your suggestion would be a step backwards. We do not treat monopolies like other companies, because monopolies are harmful to the entire market.

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    2. Re:Let the bidding begin! by Billly+Gates · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Its not bidding. Look at it this way?

      Nice computers you are selling I see. It would be a shame if your competitors got Windows Vista and Office 2007 before you did. Think about what that would do to yoru business?

      Before MS used to jack up the price something obscene like %500 if you dared included just one pc without Windows with SCO or OS/2. The doj stopped this behavior but now its standard so ms does not have to worry about this anymore.

      Today ms, can just use the ...last to recieve updates bit. Or if they really want to appear innocent they could simply let the OEM install Windows Vista when it came out but refused to give them early builds that hte other oem's enjoy. That way it would take weeks or months before their systems on the shelves had what their competitors had.

      Also companies like Dell would love to see HP get grilled like this so customers would have to either wait while Bob enjoys Vista or just buy a Dell instead that already has it preinstalled.

    3. Re:Let the bidding begin! by rhizome · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Preventing Microsoft from being one of the bidders only hurts OEMs, as a smaller bidder pool results in smaller bids. You would have Dell settle for 5 million from Google, when they could've gotten 6 million from Microsoft, or 7 million from Google having to outbid Microsoft (for example).

      Since we're talking about the hypothetical benefit of Microsoft being able to bid here, let's consider the hypothetical harm. If Dell would have gotten 5mil from Google, or 6mil from Ask.com, why would they consider those when they could accept Microsoft's bid of $2mil under a threat to renegotiate their per-copy fee for pre-installed copies of Windows? So who's benefitting again?

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  9. "Allow" is just embrace for the todays generation by AHuxley · · Score: 2, Insightful

    MS only has a few moves in its 20 year old play book.
    Embrace, extend and extinguish is one of them.
    Re read it as
    "committed to creating a transparent system that allows us to extinguish the competition"

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  10. Maybe "principled & transparent" == "open sour by intrico · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I think it would be perfectly logical to see Microsoft gradually move away from the closed-source model. I would not be surprised if they announce a decision to make Windows open-source a few years from now, seeing as how the entire economics of the enterprise software industry is moving towards consulting and support as a primary source of revenue (e.g., Oracle, Red Hat, Sun and others). (After a complete change in leadership of course, with gates and others moving out of the picture.) The basic economic forces of supply and demand in a highly competitive enterprise software market dictate that they logically should not be able to rely on revenue from software licensing for very long into the future. Their monopoly days are over.

  11. No real change to mindset by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 4, Insightful
    That they use terms like "allow" still shows their arrogance, and that they really have not learnt how to play nice, and they really do need to get a smack down by the EU and DOJ.

    If they really want to show that they have learnt then they need to soften their position, as well as say things in a way that sounds at least half genuine.

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  12. Re:Fear of the EU by virchull · · Score: 4, Informative

    The EU has recently floated comments that Microsoft might not be allowed to launch Vista at all, if it comes "out of the box" with a default preference for Microsoft search. It is interesting that within days, MS has softened their position about search. My own interpretation of this and other EU events is that MS has no respect for the USDOJ, but a billion dollars later in fines, they are starting to get the message that the EU means business in changing Microsoft's business.

  13. Re:Maybe "principled & transparent" == "open s by I'm+Don+Giovanni · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And with the basis of your utopia being that consultation is worth more than development, don't be surprised when consultants are making big buucks while programmers have to take jobs on the side. Also, don't be surprised when programs are intentionally made difficult to use, so as to drive up the necessity for consulting/customization and the fees incurred from that.

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  14. #8 makes me wonder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "8. Open Internet access. Microsoft will design and license Windows so that it does not block access to any lawful Web site or impose any fee for reaching any non-Microsoft Web site or using any non-Microsoft Web service."

    What did they have planned before?

  15. Breaking news by Javaman59 · · Score: 2, Funny

    In a jovial press conference, Microsoft CEO Kevin Turner just announced...

    "I was thinking about things over breakfast.. you know.. about life, and what's important, and business, and so on.. and I came to thinking that we've got so much stuff at Microsoft, that we can afford to share it around a bit more. First thing we're going to do is allow Google to compete in corporate search. We'll be announcing other give-aways shortly"

    There is some speculation that Microsoft will make Windows Vista free, and open up the source code.

    There has been no comment from Google yet.

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