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Congress vs Misleading Meta Tags

Krishna Dagli writes "The U.S. House of Representatives on Tuesday approved a bill that would make it a federal felony for Webmasters to use innocent words like "Barbie" or "Furby" but actually feature sexual content on their sites. Anyone who includes misleading "words" or "images" intended to confuse a minor into viewing a possibly harmful Web site could be imprisoned for up to 20 years and fined, the bill says." Terrible news for the Barbie/Furbie fetishists out there, to say nothing about being completely impossible to enforce globally.

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  1. It will also be punishable... by Billosaur · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...to use the META tags "Congress" and "intelligent" on the same web page.

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  2. What about all the other Barbies? by mopslik · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Does this imply that any porn star named Barbie has to change her name (again) before starting up a web site?

    1. Re:What about all the other Barbies? by ultranova · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Anyone who includes misleading "words" or "images" intended to confuse a minor into viewing a possibly harmful Web site...

      I hilited the key word there, "intended".

      I draw retouch with a computer and render with 3D-software erotic images as a hobby and because it provides sufficient motivation to scale the Himalaya-like learning curve of 3D programs. They aren't good enough yet to put up anywhere, but they'll likely be someday. So, I'll likely have an erotic website someday.

      When I put the pics up, where can I get a list of what specific words I'll have to avoid, and how much time do I have to update my page when the word list changes (as it must, to keep up with the latest fads in youth culture) ? And if I happen to be on a vacation when the list changes and don't get back before the deadline, and get charged, is the difference between walking free and spending 20 years in the jail whether the judge happens to like my face or not - because I don't think he can read my intentions from my mind, even if he is honest and not drunk on power or on some kind of personal crusade against filthy porn ?

      Disclaimer: I don't live in the USA, but you know as well as I do that the rest of the world is going to copy this bad law, just like they did the US-style copyright laws.

      That said, this is one of those laws that can really lead to problems as you can imagine all sorts of "legit" uses of various words (Barbie, Ken, toys, dream house) on a porn site. But again, I think if the webmasters make a reasonable attempt to make it clear that the 12" action figure you are about to see refers to all of Ken, or just a specific part, then the site should be ok.

      No, this leads to problems for everyone who's website acknowledges the existence of human sexuality. Ironically, it has the potential of increasing the profits of for-pay porn sites, since they can afford to hire people to keep watching the wordlist for changes, and are at least somewhat shielded from personal responsibility by incorporation; it's the free sites that are going to be hit by this.

      This is an extraordinarily stupid idea for a law, even for the US congress.

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  3. Does it work the other way? by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 5, Funny

    Can costumed fetishist adults sue a 12-year-old girl for describing her pet puppydog as "furry" on her livejournal?

  4. Re:So? by Billosaur · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What? It's precisely because it can't be codified globally that it's pointless to do anything about it here. Do you honestly think that anyone outside the US is going to voluntarily conform to this law? Do you think anyone inside the US can't get around it by moving their content outside the US?

    As usual, Congress is meddling in things it does not understand. They want to look like they are doing something to protect children, yet at every turn the things they come up with are ludicrous. And they've also dropped the ball on the whole Net Neutrality issue. It's clear Congress doesn't understand what the Internet is ("a series of tubes" said the learned Congressman) or how it works, or the fact that it's a global resource, far outside the realm of their ability to control it.

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  5. Congress Once Again Addressing Our Biggest Problem by digitaldc · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Congress, with all the problems in the world, focuses on THE most pressing problem right now - misleading meta tags.

    With respectable, upright, and moral leaders like these, we will all be safe from accidentally looking at pr)n - we are saved!

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  6. Does it happen all that much? by goatan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How common is it to visit a porn site when you where really looking for Barbie dolls or anything else for that matter? It's not something that has ever happened to me. The only time I see porn on the internet is if I go look for it.

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  7. Congresscritter mentality by Valacosa · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Disclaimer: I am in Canada.

    From the wording in the summary, this speaks to the mentality of the congresscritter. I mean, some right-wingers have this idea stuck in their head that the pr0n on the internet is there for the children, that people are trying to lure kids to the porn sites for some reason which I (nor they) cannot imagine. What benefit is there in that for anybody? It's not as if the kids have any purchasing power! Hell, it's not even as if webmasters can capture some parents income with porn!

    "Daddy, will you buy me a membership to this website! It's only $2.99 for three days!"

    Valacosa to congress: children are not the "target audience" for pornography!

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  8. Stupid idea by martinmcc · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The idea is completely ridiculous. First off, 20 years for using a misleading meta tag? Does that sound appropriate? Particular if you consider how easy it could be to do (you copy the template from some previous site for another site and forget to update the meta tags).

    And who judges whether a tag is valid or not? While there may be a few that are clear cut, most will be highly ambiguous and down to some arbitrary decision process, and likely used backwards (i.e. find a site you do not like, then see if you can find some law it breaks, such as this one).

    Again, it used 'think of the children' to role in crappy, unenforceable laws which steal away people freedom, and solve a non-existent problem. I have two daughters, and frequently searched various keywords such as Barbie, and never encountered any pron sites. The only, and obvious, solution to the minor problem of children accessing inappropriate content is for parents to be responsible in how their children can access the net.

  9. Sex != Harmful by sane? · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Once again there is the confusion in the US mind that sex = harmful. I thought the puritans died out several centuries ago. Some more extreme stuff I can understand, but the basics of the idea that all types of sex should be kept from children, rather than being seen as a normal part of life, is the more harmful attitude.

    Just how screwed up do you have to be to consider a nipple to be threat to a child's development?

    Better to concentrate on ensuring that child can grow up in a world that has freedom of speech, a clean environment and open minds than one that views sex as somehow dirty.

  10. Get Google to delist it. by MarkByers · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So, can you offer a single good reason why anyone would reasonably use "Barney" or "Barbie" or "Pokemon" as keywords for a site featuring a naked woman with semen all over her face?

    What if the guy is called Barney, the woman is called Barbie, and... well I'll leave the rest to your imagination.

    You're missing the point though. Trying to censor content based on fuzzy guidelines is not helping promote freedom. If a pornography site is number 1 in Google for the keyword Barbie, complain to Google that it's keyword matching rules are broken and get them to delist the site. Don't just get your government to go round censoring things you disagree with. Once they start on that path, where will they stop? If porn can be censored what about pro-Muslim sites using words like 'Jesus' in their keywords? Oh the horror! It must be censored too!

    By the way, I'm not American so I don't really care, I'm just making some suggestions that you can choose to ignore if you wish.

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  11. Re:They can block and/or punish consumption by Knuckles · · Score: 5, Insightful

    First of all, what kind of a phantasy is that? Why would a porn site "trick little kids into visiting pornographic sites by using meta keywords" in the first place? Little kids don't have credit cards. Plus, I can't speak for the US, but I would guess you already have laws against showing/selling porn to kids under a certain age.

    And you seem to lack imagination. There is no way to legislate this because the English language simply has too few words to express all there is to express. What if it is a site where not the model is called Barbie, but it's about a person's fantasies about Barbie. What about the keyword "Hamster"? Knitwork? Farm? And so on and so forth. Go to the usenet binary groups some time to get an idea of how broad a field human sexuality is.

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  12. The real problem... by joebok · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...is the other way around - those sites that advertise "Free Porn - Nude Celebrities" and when you go to them there are no nudes, no celebrities, no porn, and nothing is free. What a rip!

  13. Re:Step in the right direction by pseudorand · · Score: 5, Funny

    I agree completely. And what's worse is when I'm innocently looking for porn and I get to Mattel or Toys-R-Us. Do you know how embarresing that is for my co-workers to think I'm shopping for little girl's toys? They know I don't have a daughter. I have to lie and say I'm shopping for my niece.