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TiVo to Measure Ad-Skipping

jaredmauch writes "USA Today is reporting that TiVo will measure how many users skip ads of roughly 20k random users. This follows Nielsen Ratings service providing individual commercial ratings. Overall this is expected to reduce the cost of advertisements on television and perhaps make them more on-topic? I'd consider providing feedback (thumbs-up/down) to ads if it'd make those that are no longer relevant to me go away." I'm kinda surprised they don't have this data already. I mean, weren't they able to track the Super Bowl wardrobe malfunction a few years ago?

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  1. Good by andrewman327 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Maybe they will wait until after dinner to run those anti-diarrhea ads. To be fair there are clever ads out there, it's just that they rarely actually make me more likely to buy something. I've made up my mind about Coke versus Pepsi, and Brittany Spears isn't changing it!

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  2. Re:How will they even DO this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    short answer = yes to all above

    from
    http://www.spywareinfo.com/newsletter/archives/jun e-2003/3.php

    California based TiVo, the company that makes digital TV recorders, has announced that it will begin selling the data that it collects about the viewing habits of its more than 700,000 users. TiVo lets users record TV shows and play them back at different times, skip commercials, and even train their TiVo to suggest programming more likely to interest them.

    As the TiVo box connects to company servers to download programming information, it also uploads data about what users have watched and how they watched it. They can tell who watched which shows. They can tell which commercials were skipped. They can tell at what point someone got bored and start flipping channels. All of this information would be a gold mine to advertising agencies, and TiVo is about to cash in.

    As horrifying as all that sounds to people who prefer to keep their private life private, this is not as big a deal as it sounds. Unless you specifically opt into more detailed statistics gathering, all of the information is anonymous and will not used to identify your specific viewing habits.

    If you watch an old rerun of Highlander, all TiVo knows is that someone in your zip code watched it, not that you, specifically, watched it. You can even opt out of that much, if you like, by calling TiVo at 1-877-367-8486 and requesting that they opt you out of all statistical information gathering.

    What TiVo is doing is basically the same thing that early advertising spyware programs did. They log how you use the service and then send that information back to the company in order to make the advertisements presented to you more relevant and interesting. The difference between TiVo and the advertising spyware companies is that TiVo is honest and up front about it. TiVo does not simply steal the information by installing trojan-like data mining programs the way Aureate, Conducent, and others did.

    On the other hand, I would still be nervous about TiVo collecting the information even if it were anonymous. As I understand it, your viewing information is not stored along with your account's personally identifiable information only because they choose not to do so once they have it. We have only their word that they would never cross reference viewing habits with their users' account numbers.

    For that matter, who's to say that if TiVo were ever bought out, the new owner wouldn't just dive right into the data and start putting both sets of information together. That is exactly what DoubleClick tried to do when it bought marketing firm Abacus Direct.

    With the information gathered offline about consumers contained in Abacus Direct's database, DoubleClick could have identified anonymous web surfers. It was only after several class action lawsuits were filed and a few states opened investigations that DoubleClick backed down from their plans.

    I don't own a TiVo myself, but if I did, probably I would call that number and opt out entirely. Again, the telephone number to opt out of all TiVo statistical information gathering is 1-877-367-8486.

    http://www.spywareinfo.com/newsletter/archives/jun e-2003/3.php

  3. Re:This won't take very long by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    No, a decent percentage of what you pay monthly goes to the networks. In particular certan networks like ESPN, Lifetime, and Disney get $1 or more each per subscriber per month. Those three networks alone are part of the reason for the rate hike DirecTV had months ago. Other networks get much lower, maybe in the 20/30 cent range per subscriber.

  4. Whats really going on by embracethenerdwithin · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'm an intern at a software company that produces the software that runs the majority of cable networks. So I hav ebeen hearing a lot about this issue lately. The problem is that advertisers feel they are paying for less than they are actually getting. Which is resulting in lower demand for ads this year and also lower cost of Ads. There has been an industry wide push to get Digital Video Recorders(DVR) to count the skips so that advertisers know how many viewers they are actually getting. Tv ads are sold based on the number of eyeballs expected to watch. The network then has to make up for any discrepancy(usually issue free ad time). The issue up for debate is how to count the DVR views. The networks want all DVR downloads counted as ratings, the Advertisers don't want any counted. I think what we are seeing here is a compromise between the Networks and major advertising agencies. As much as we all hate ads, someone has to pay for the TV broadcast. Either you let the advertisers pay in exchange for watchign there crap or you pay even more to watch TV.

  5. Re:Advert free service... by acklenx · · Score: 2, Informative

    The old ReplayTV's (4500's and 5000's) had Commercial Advance. No silly skip or fast forward button to push, just no commercials. (they were recorder, just skipped automatically for you). To bad Replay removed that feature in later models ( the 5500 was an upgrade that basically just removed Commercial Advance, and network sharing). ReplayTV was just a little ahead of its time and got sued into oblivion for it.

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  6. Re:counting how many skip ads by DocSavage64109 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I thought 8 bit integers max out at 255? I suppose a 16 bit integer would suffice with its 65536 discrete values.

  7. Re:Whats the Motive? by yngwie0 · · Score: 2, Informative

    And just to be clear, your TiVo sends a gzipped file containing every remote keypress you make with an associated timestamp to TiVo Inc., every day when it "phones home." They have from the beginning been able to tell exactly what is on the screen when you're using it as well as which scenes you jump back and watch again... and which things you skip over.

    You can infer a _great_ deal about someone based on what they watch, don't watch, or rewatch (late at night when they think no one is looking). Its bad news, especially in the current political climate.