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Writing on Standing Water

A reader writes "Engadget is reporting on Japanese scientists who have found a way to 'write' characters on the surface of water using waves. This looks very cool - but the time required to change character seems very high (15-30 seconds). From the article: 'Liquid-based displays are nothing new -- in a vertical orientation, at least -- but apparently it's a lot more difficult to coax a standing pool of water into forming recognizable shapes and characters.'"

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  1. darn! by N3wsByt3 · · Score: 4, Funny

    "My name is written in water" has lost all it's meaning, now!

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  2. Guess what they wrote. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    First post ;-)

  3. Why? by TheInimitable · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Because it's COOL. Who needs practical application?

    1. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Imagine a SeaWorld-type attraction where the final act is a chum-filled pool slowly spelling out

      "AND NOW...
      SHARKS
      WITH
      FRICKIN
      LASERS!!!"

      I am SO in.

  4. Not to... by GillBates0 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Not to rain on their parade, but these ice sculpture guys seem to have beat them to it.

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  5. I have a technique for super-fast water writing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    But it only works with Capital Os.

  6. I thought they meant the opposite by oskard · · Score: 4, Interesting

    For example, writing a word in water and having the perimeter of the pool recognize the waves, and convert it to digital text. Microscopically, that could actually have a use with a liquid enclosed touchscreen.

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  7. Re:Neato! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's yet another way to go to an undeveloped country and convince the locals that you are a god.

  8. John Keats by j1m+5n0w · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I believe that phrase likely originated with the poet John Keats:
    He died on February 23, 1821 and was buried in the Protestant Cemetery, Rome. His last request was followed, and thus he was buried under a tomb stone reading, "Here lies one whose name was writ in water."
  9. Re:Neato! by ATMD · · Score: 4, Funny

    Standing water, you say?

    How about "Mosquito bite cream $20, on sale to your left"?

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  10. Re:Interesting, but why? by x2A · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Interesting, but why would someone want or need to do this?"

    You just answered your own question... see, right there, first word.

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  11. It's like the IQ of /. dropped by Andrew+Kismet · · Score: 4, Funny

    Over on engadget, they had serious comments about using resin, vacuuming forming, advertising, and other practical applications.
    Here, we got a pageful of piss jokes....

  12. My favorite comment on the site by TitusC3v5 · · Score: 3, Funny

    "That's nothing new. I have a special pen that can write my name in my tiolet bowel water."

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  13. Processing time? by Dan+East · · Score: 5, Insightful

    using formulas known as Bessel functions to cut the processing time down to between 15 and 30 seconds and form characters

    That sure makes it sound like the calculations involved are so great that the computer takes that long to process (as opposed to a physical delay in the hardware or medium). Certainly that could be reduced substantially either by optimization or throwing more CPUs at the problem. If that is indeed the issue then they could also precalculate the math for various shapes, and recall them instantly on demand. I also wonder if this is a purely virtual simulation inside the software, or if the system requires feedback from sensors in the real world to fine-tune the oscillations to produce the desired effect. In that case it may take that much time to stabilize the system because of chaos and the like. I have a hunch that must be what's going on, because certainly these people are smart enough and have enough funding so that processing speed alone isn't the issue.

    Dan East

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    1. Re:Processing time? by gardyloo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Part of the trouble is that these things are NOT stationary. There's only once in a long time that all of the waves produced by those actuators end up forming the characters they want them to, AND all the rest of the surface is smooth. And that can only be done with some sophisticated feedback as to what waves are present. I haven't read their paper, but I suspect they either sense some inductances at the edge of the tank, or do some fancy laser-scanning of the surface. I can easily see incorporating the continually-changing conditions into the calculations as taking a long time. And cylindrical Bessel functions are not so easily precomputed if you need 50 of them at a particular time. I'd think the easiest way to do that is to set up 50 analog circuits with the appropriate parameters and continuously feed in the water heights along the edge of the tank.

            For applications... I can't answer this in full, since part of my research is sort of related. But for detecting things buried in the seafloor, ripples on the seafloor do some amazing things to signals. Having a reliable way to set up such ripples in the laboratory is very useful.

  14. Re:Neato! by The+Infidel · · Score: 5, Funny

    Because we are fresh out of glass coke bottles.

  15. this is gonna be great by harlemjoe · · Score: 4, Funny

    i'm imagining a pool with a message that reads "wet surface"

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  16. Epitaph by isomeme · · Score: 5, Funny

    Someone needs to make it spell out "John Keats."

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  17. CAT Scan in Reverse by Mignon · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I think this is somewhat related to CAT scans, but applied in reverse. My crude understanding of a CAT scan is that sensors are placed in a ring shape around the object to be scanned and a series of "slices" are scanned. For each "slice", this gives a set of axial views through the object (the 'A' in CAT). Bessel functions are the mathematical tool that let you convert the axial data - which is a kind of sum across a diameter - into data at each point in the circular cross section.

    It seems they've reversed this process and solved for the axial data given the point-by-point data - e.g. the rasterized character.

    By the way, CAT scans and Bessel functions are one of the examples of "abstract" math that later turns out to have practical application.