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Liquid Armor the New Bulletproof Vest

kjh1 writes "Armor Holdings Inc. plans to start selling their 'liquid armor' next year. The new armor, originally envisioned to be spread on like peanut butter, is instead sprayed onto Kevlar in ultrathin coats. From the article: 'it's a mix of polyethylene glycol, a polymer found in laxatives and other consumer products, and nanobits of silica, or purified sand. Together they produce a "sheer-thickening liquid" that stiffens instantly into a shield when hit hard by an object. It reverts to its liquid state just as fast when the energy from the projectile dissipates.'"

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  1. Video link by skurk · · Score: 5, Informative

    There's a video on break.com where you can see the liquid armor in action - it's pretty amazing:
    clicky

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    1. Re:Video link by kkwst2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Your logic is indeed false. First, it is arriving with a velocity and an associated momentum, not a force. Force is imparted on the bullet to change it's momentum and direction. Thus if it's really bouncing in the opposite direction, then twice the energy is required to stop it is imparted to the armor. See the sarcastic reply under yours for why this is unlikely the case. Most fo the time it would likely be deflecting off, requiring less energy than that required to stop the bullet. However, this still tells you nothing of the force. The peak force imparted to the bullet will be determined by the interaction of the bullet with the armor and contact time of the bullet with the armor. However, it's not even the force that you care about, it's the pressure imparted to the tissue. This will be determined by how the force is distributed over the armor. The force will be much greater if it's distributed over a 1 cm^2 area as opposed to a 1 m^2 area. To sum up, it's complicated and you can't draw conclusions of the performance of this armor by whether it "bounces off" or not.

  2. Okay what the fuck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    First the military is developing something called an "ultrasonic tourniquet", now somebody is making bulletproof peanut butter?? Fuck this shit, the universe is just too weird right now. I am going to bed.

  3. "a polymer found in laxatives" by Riktov · · Score: 5, Funny

    "it's a mix of polyethylene glycol, a polymer found in laxatives..."

    As if having a gun fired at you isn't enough to make you shit your pants...

  4. Re:Other Applications by JanneM · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But how much would it cost to coat your car in this stuff? And would it give extra protection?

    Nope, not if it's your safety you're worried about, rather than the cars. You want the car to deform, so your decelleration slows down. Just like a helmet, you want it to break so you don't.

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  5. Re:Shear-thickening by Alaria+Phrozen · · Score: 5, Funny

    Product Announcement! New, glistening panty-hose. Shimmering as if they're wet. Catches eyes. Attracts only the daring. Promotes celibacy and abstinence!

    In the heat of the moment, you push her against the wall and kiss. Heat. Fire. Desire. You reach down below her skirt, and trying to be spontanious, rip at her pantyhose... but wait! No satisfying tear or gasp escape from her lips... ... humiliation as you try again and again, unable to even stretch the panty-chasty-hose. The situation goes... limp.

    "Liqui-hose, helping you dodge a bullet every night."

  6. ...the slow blade penetrates the shield by ElHorrendo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...but look down. We'd have joined each other in death.
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  7. Re:Gloves by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 5, Funny

    Can they produce gloves able to stand up to shark bites ?

    Thereby forcing sharks to evolve frickin' lasers on their heads.

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  8. Re:Other Applications by Haeleth · · Score: 5, Funny

    if ... you're not a drunk/wreckless driver that is likely to slam into a building/rock face/telephone pole/whatever

    I would think it very unlikely that a driver reckless enough to be likely to slam into buildings or rock faces would remain wreckless for long.

  9. Damn, now I'll have to respec by Moraelin · · Score: 5, Funny
    This material (the liquid is only one component, anyway) is protecting against piercing, not crushing.


    Darn. Now I'll have to respec my Rogue to use maces instead of daggers.
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  10. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 5, Funny

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  11. Re:Magic Chocolate by FirienFirien · · Score: 5, Informative

    The eggs one won't work, because the eggshell is rigid, and so provides no shear force on the coating. The trampoline one should work, but the effect you'd feel is negligible - this stuff works well at the speed of bullets, but at that small thickness you'd get little effect at the speed of a person's bounce. If you could get bubbles to work, then they'd still pop - they'd just pop slowly, since as the sides pull away from the initial point of zero thickness they'd cap their own speed.

    Yeah, I did projects on this stuff. You can make some yourself with 1 part water and 1.44 parts cornflour; put it in at 1:1.3, then continue to add the rest of the flour while pouring. It'll get difficult to mix (don't do it in a machine, you'll break the machine, it's like stirring rocks at that speed) but a minute of perseverance will give you something you can bounce your thumb off or sink your finger in. Good fun. Kids love it, and it's easy to clean off; if it gets onto clothes then it just rinses out.

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  12. Re:Other Applications by klaun · · Score: 5, Informative
    This is a common fallacy when people have just a rudimentary understanding of physics and no other applicable

    example of this would be an M1 Abrams vs a small Toyota.

    heaviest vehicle with a strong frame that you can possibly find.

    Your example relies on a signficant difference in mass as well as overall rigidity of the two vehicles in question. Deformable frames being about absorbing energy (and momentum, being an inelastic collision) in an impact. An M1 brings way more Kinetic Energy to the impact than can be absorbed by a deforming frame of a Toyota.

    The safety of the passengers is dependent on how quickly the vehicle passenger compartment decelerates, as that will determine with what force they impact the interior of the vehicle (the so-called "second impact"). The M1 will not decelerate very much, but it is because of the mass disparity, not that it is rigid.

    Obviously a crumple zone cannot absorb an unlimited amount of energy, but up to the amount it can absorb it is definitely good for you, whether you are hitting something rigid or not.

  13. Re:Other Applications by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Actually, this is not true. I've got some friends who do car safety analysis all the time and they say that a modern crumple zone + rigid passenger egg is safer than a rigid car or light truck in a collision - the crumple zone absorbs most of its car's energy and the rigid car flips over.

    There are many dead SUV drivers to disprove your claim.

  14. Re:Other Applications by AndersOSU · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The real selling point of this stuff in car finishes wouldn't be that your car is now bullet proof (although that would make a good bullet point in the brochure.)

    Consider this:

    We drove this new Ford(TM) Mustang(TM) with DuPont(TM) Protectoguard(TM) coating on the Jersy turnpike, for 200 miles, in construction, behind a Peterbuilt(TM) dumptruck. We recorded 390 discrete stone strikes. But thanks to the Miricles of Science (TM) there isn't a single paint chip in the finish. Blah Blah Blah. Now that's a BOLD move.(TM)

  15. Re:Custard by MrNaz · · Score: 5, Funny

    Where on earth did you grow up that old wives talk about knife-fighting while wearing kevlar?

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  16. Re:American SUV? by LurkerXXX · · Score: 5, Insightful
    What if the prime reason for my big SUV with the big tires, and the skookum bush bar on the front is so I can say, go offroad?



    If this is really what you bought it for (and actually do), Congratulations. You are one of the 0.5 % of SUV owners who actually should own an SUV. Unfortunately, 99.5 % of them are owened by soccer moms and men who need to overcompensate for something, and are just endangering us all on the roads, and burning very excessive amounts of gasoline.

  17. Re:Non-Newtonain Fluids by technococcus · · Score: 5, Informative

    Teflon-coated bullets are teflon coated to reduce barrel wear, not to provide any performance increase with respect to penetrative capabilities. Other lubricants are often used, but teflon works very well even with high velocity projectiles. Handloaders who shoot USPSA/IPSC handgun competitions often lube their bullets to decrease wear on their 1000USD high-polish barrels. "Cop-killer" is a sensationalist name first applied to Teflon-coated bullets and later to Jacketed Hollow Points when that term was all the rage in the liberal media. Remember, only YOU can prevent the spread of FUD!